One tonne scrum

pickarooney

Do you think we'll eventually reach the point of a 1000-kilo pack?
I was trying to put together a set of current forwards from world rugby who would tip the scales at a metric tonne but am coming up short, I think mostly because I have trouble spelling the Tongan surnames.

LeinsterDub

The new scrum laws are favouring smaller props but seconds and backrows are getting ever bigger.

pickarooney

Pulled in a few second division players to make up the numbers but the weights of 3 and 8, listed on their club websites, are debatable.

1 Soane Tonga'uhia 133
2 Bismarck Du Plessis 114
3 Uini Atonio 155
4 Will Skelton 135
5 Sébastien Vahaamahina 126
6 Mamuka Gorgodze 120
7 Schalk Burger 120
8 Opeti Fonua 140
Pack total 1043

Tox56

pickarooney wrote: »

Pulled in a few second division players to make up the numbers but the weights of 3 and 8, listed on their club websites, are debatable.

1 Soane Tonga'uhia 133
2 Bismarck Du Plessis 114
3 Uini Atonio 155
4 Will Skelton 135
5 Sébastien Vahaamahina 126
6 Mamuka Gorgodze 120
7 Schalk Burger 120
8 Opeti Fonua 140
Pack total 1043

Have to get this fella in somewhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Maka

[Jackass]

This is my attempt at the heaviest Irish qualified scrum we could field..

1. Jack McGrath (122kg)
2. Marty Moore (123kg) (will need to practice his darts )
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Mike McCarthy (115kg)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

969kg scrum

You need to average 125kg, only two players I know of above that...

former legend

[Jackass] wrote: »

This is my attempt at the heaviest Irish qualified scrum we could field..

1. Jack McGrath (122kg)
2. Marty Moore (123kg) (will need to practice his darts )
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Mike McCarthy (115kg)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

969kg scrum

You need to average 125kg, only two players I know of above that...

You'd have to pick Damian Browne in the second row. A monster of a man.

[Jackass]

Nice! Let's see if we can do it!

1. Jack McGrath (122kg)
2. Marty Moore (123kg)
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg) (+10kg from McCarthy)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

979kg scrum, is there an extra 21kg we can squeeze in there? Any monster flankers?

Tox56

[Jackass] wrote: »

Nice! Let's see if we can do it!

1. Jack McGrath (122kg)
2. Marty Moore (123kg)
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg) (+10kg from McCarthy)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

979kg scrum, is there an extra 21kg we can squeeze in there? Any monster flankers?

Quinn Roux 117kg

who_me

[Jackass] wrote: »

Nice! Let's see if we can do it!

1. Jack McGrath (122kg)
2. Marty Moore (123kg)
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg) (+10kg from McCarthy)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

979kg scrum, is there an extra 21kg we can squeeze in there? Any monster flankers?

Dare I suggest it.. but for the sake of an additional 11kg you could recall Tony Buckley..

Tox56

who_me wrote: »

Dare I suggest it.. but for the sake of an additional 11kg you could recall Tony Buckley..

.. As a flanker

who_me

Tox56 wrote: »

.. As a flanker

Probably better than as a prop!

In fact, if he replaces Henderson, you have your tonne.

[Jackass]

Buckley a great call!! I'll try and keep it as playable / realistic as possible (although already a couple of major leaps being made in compromise!)

1. Tony Buckley (138kg) (+16kg from Jack McGrath!!)
2. Marty Moore (123kg)
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

995kg scrum, 5kg short, even if we're really compromising a fair bit of quality for weight here!!

There's gotta be a 120kg+ backrow out there? Can Nick Williams become Irish qualified? Switching him in for Henderson would land us exactly on the tonne!

Hagz

I'm sorry, but you can't have Marty Moore in the hooker. I know this is a fictional discussion, but that's taking it too far.

Taco Corp

is Moore only 123? surely a man that square has to be a bit more that that?

Tox56

Captain_Hindsight wrote: »

is Moore only 123? surely a man that square has to be a bit more that that?

Guy is only 5'10, he looks more 'square' than a lot of props but he's a lot shorter than most, Ross is 6'2 for example, McGrath and Healy are both 6'1 I think

Hagz

He looks like he's lost a bit of size since entering the international fold. Probably just turning some fat into muscle.

[Jackass]

Muscle weighs more than fat, I'd say it's more a case of getting a bit "fitter". Kind of like Stan Wright when he joined Leinster, he lost a fair few hefty kg's before he peaked at his best. There's a trade off between weight and power, Healy being a prime example of being a pretty light weight prop by international standards, but it's all compressed power.

God damn it for not letting me away with Moore at 2 by the way.

1. Tony Buckley (138kg)
2. Damien Varley (110kg) (-13kg from Moore :mad:)
3. Mike Ross (127kg)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg)
6. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
7. Iain Henderson (115kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

983kg scrum, an extra 17kg needs to be found in that back-row!! (unless anyone can find a heavier hooker)

Hagz

Said he lost a bit of size, didn't say he lost a bit of weight. The difference in how he looked at the start of the year and how looks now is very noticeable.

Hagz

Put young Academy lock John Madigan into the blindside - 119kg

Fireball07

Stewart Maguire- 130kg prop?


Recorded as 135 in one place...

Hagz

128kg. Beats Mike Ross by 1kg!

Swiwi.

It's not the size, it's how you use it.

Fireball07

Neil McComb is listed as 116kg here:

http://www.ercrugby.com/matchcentre/player_archive.php?includeref=dynamic&player=88632


Get the feeling, it's inaccurate though...


118kg here

http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/teams/ulster/squad.php?player=13607&includeref=dynamic

[Jackass]

Hagz wrote: »

128kg. Beats Mike Ross by 1kg!

I'll take it!

1. Tony Buckley (138kg)
2. Damien Varley (110kg)
3. Stuart Maguire (128kg) (+1kg from Ross)
4. Devin Toner (124kg)
5. Damien Browne (125kg)
6. John Madigan (119kg) (+4kg from Henderson)
7. Stephen Ferris (116kg)
8. Leo Auva'a (127kg)

988kg

We need a backrow weighing 128kg, or a heavier hooker to lower that target!

Just like the Guinness Book of Records, we're very picky on sources so it must be from Wikipedia :pac: Failing that, the official club profile. All of mine are taken from Wikipedia with exception of Hagz's ones taken from official sites.

McComb is 105kg with Ulster site.

Hagz

For what it's worth, St.Mary's hooker Richie Sweeney is listed as 142kg.

Tox56

Hagz wrote: »

For what it's worth, St.Mary's hooker Richie Sweeney is listed as 142kg.

This guy?



WTF?? :pac:

pickarooney

Is he a hunchback?

Hagz

What's not to believe

pickarooney

I like jersey, if you can ignore the sponsor.

[Jackass]

Hagz wrote: »

For what it's worth, St.Mary's hooker Richie Sweeney is listed as 142kg.

Was he in the middle of doing a bench press at the time of recording?

aimee1

there was a guy who played for sale, a prop who was called eifion i think and he was about 135kg

Glass Prison 1214

I love these threads

1 Soane Tonga'uhia 133
2 John Smit 122
3 Uini Atonio 155
4 Will Skelton 135
5 Romain Taofifénua 140
6 Edwin Maka 142
7 Henry Tuilagi 128
8 Opeti Fonua 150

Total Weight 1105 :eek:

Technically two of them retired last year but its the heaviest player I know in each position

And for Ireland

1. Tony Buckley 138
2. Damien Varley 110
3. Stuart Maguire 130
4. Devin Toner 124
5. Damien Browne 125
6. John Madigan 119
7. Useless Ed 119
8. Leo Auva'a 127

Total Weight 992

d-gal

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

I love these threads

1 Soane Tonga'uhia 133
2 John Smit 122
3 Uini Atonio 155
4 Will Skelton 135
5 Olly Kohn 138
6 Edwin Maka 142
7 Henry Tuilagi 128
8 Opeti Fonua 150

Total Weight 1103 :eek:

Census Johnston 138kg
Du Plessis 114kg
James Johnston 140kg
R Gray 128kg
Charteris 129kg
E Maka 142kg
Vahaamahina 126kg
Fonua 150kg

1067kg - trying to keep it to internationals (besides Maka I suppose!)

irishbucsfan

How much does Shane Byrne weigh these days?!

case885

What was the heaviest pack that has played? Im guessing it was a south african team.

[Jackass]

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

And for Ireland

1. Tony Buckley 138
2. Damien Varley 110
3. Stuart Maguire 130
4. Devin Toner 124
5. Damien Browne 125
6. John Madigan 119
7. Useless Ed 119
8. Leo Auva'a 127

Total Weight 992

If I can't have Moore at hooker, there's NO WAY you're having Ed O'Donoghue at 7!!

Although I'd swap him in for "Madigan" as he's the same weight and I've never heard of this Madigan fella. (Munster academy iirc from earlier)

Neil3030

"One Tonne Scrum"

Terrific name for a band :pac:

Yeah_Right

case885 wrote: »

What was the heaviest pack that has played? Im guessing it was a south african team.

Not sure but if it wasn't an SA pack it would be Samoan, Tongan or maybe Georgian.

Buer

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Not sure but if it wasn't an SA pack it would be Samoan, Tongan or maybe Georgian.

Would have thought it'd have to be an islander pack. SA produce monsters who are muscle bound power houses but generally around the 120kg mark. They don't produce the 130kg+ units that seem to appear regularly in islander packs.

Yeah_Right

d-gal wrote: »

Census Johnston 138kg
Du Plessis 114kg
James Johnston 140kg
R Gray 128kg
Charteris 129kg
E Maka 142kg
Vahaamahina 126kg
Fonua 150kg

1067kg - trying to keep it to internationals (besides Maka I suppose!)

You can put Ben Tameifuna in as a prop. 140kg. His Chiefs teammate Ben Afeaki was 145kg at school and has slimmed down to a svelte 128kg.

desertcircus

124 seems a little on the light side for Toner. If I remember correctly, he was listed at that weight two years back, and I'd say he's gained a bit since then.

who_me

The funniest thing is imagining the heaviest pack above, up against a genuine quality (but lightweight) pack. In spite of having a 100/200 Kg advantage you'd still wonder if they'd get destroyed in the scrum.

pickarooney

Make a pack that weighs 750kg or less?

sydthebeat

pickarooney wrote: »

Make a pack that weighs 750kg or less?

the current japanese squad alone comes in close to 850

Yeah_Right

pickarooney wrote: »

Make a pack that weighs 750kg or less?

Yeah I think you would struggle to make a pack of professional players that is under 800kg let alone 750.

Unless you are talking 7s rugby.

meathstevie

Proportionality in mind; Devin Toner is rather light.

sydthebeat

meathstevie wrote: »

Proportionality in mind; Devin Toner is rather light.

wouldnt say that at all

by wiki toner is 0.587 kgs per cm
POC is 0.555 kgs per cm

and i dare say that Toner is heavier now than those stats say.

pickarooney

Mas, Tipuric, Furno, Strauss... may be possible to break under 800 with a decent international team.

Just wondering who is lifting those locks at USAP? 267kg combined!

connachta

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Yeah I think you would struggle to make a pack of professional players that is under 800kg let alone 750.

Unless you are talking 7s rugby.

I nearly can, and a Realistic Connacht one

1 Buckley 101
2 Sean Henry 101
3 Loughney 115
4 Browne 110
5 M.Kearney 112
6 Heenan 99
7 Faloon 97
8 Mc Keon 103

838 KG!!

connachta

the same squad could be 922 kg max, and still it's unrealistic... very light players in the west

JP Cooney 120
Jack Dineen 110
Ah You 123
Swift 117
Clarke 115
Muldowney 114
Fafita 110
Naoupu 112

pickarooney

connachta wrote: »

the same squad could be 922 kg max, and still it's unrealistic... very light players in the west

JP Cooney 120
Jack Dineen 110
Ah You 123
Swift 117
Clarke 115
Muldowney 114
Fafita 110
Naoupu 112

three islanders in that and all.