Irish plates popping up in the UK

Capri

Saw an Audi UK test car in autocar/ AutoExpress with old Irish plate - can't find it now but posted previously , maybe on the 'Elephant....' thread. Lets say the reg was CZA 657, 1961(?) Dublin. Well on Saturday I saw a Lexus 200 with something like OIK 347 (?) Dublin , I'm wondering are UK dealers buying up old Irish stuff and then selling on the regs when the cars get UK period plates, and are the DVLA allowing it

http://dvlaregistrations.direct.gov.uk/auction/online.html

corktina

something like? Could well be Northern plates.

Capri

corktina wrote: »

something like? Could well be Northern plates.

Nah, NI had regs like AUZ, EOI etc that weren't issued down here " but XZA, OIK etc were say Dublin that couldn't be issued by the UK (1922 and all that). I WILL get to the bottom of it!

corktina

yeah but you said "something like" and the registrations are quite simply from the same origins. They once were all one series, Irish, NI and UK.

It's quite possible that you saw a NI reg OR indeed a car that was registered in the South before Independence but was at that time in the North. I suspect that in such an instance, the reg no would be retained in the UK system and be transferable. I never heard of anyone having to re-reg a car at Independence.

hi5

South Irish registrations could be transferred to the DVLA up to the the 1980's.
Hence VIP 1 on Abramovich's Rolls Royce.

http://www.plates4less.co.uk/irish-number-plates/registrations.asp?searchInput=OIK&actionType=search&imageField32.x=35&imageField32.y=9

http://www.plates4less.co.uk/irish-number-plates/registrations.asp?searchInput=+IP&actionType=search&imageField32.x=62&imageField32.y=8

macplaxton

Exactly as hi5 says. They were transferable back in nineteen canteen.

carchaeologist

Capri wrote: »

Saw an Audi UK test car in autocar/ AutoExpress with old Irish plate - can't find it now but posted previously , maybe on the 'Elephant....' thread. Lets say the reg was CZA 657, 1961(?) Dublin. Well on Saturday I saw a Lexus 200 with something like OIK 897 (?) Dublin , I'm wondering are UK dealers buying up old Irish stuff and then selling on the regs when the cars get UK period plates, and are the DVLA allowing it

http://dvlaregistrations.direct.gov.uk/auction/online.html

What does something like mean?
The modern series UK registrations can read something like BD64XZK
or NG63XZX? That's maybe where you are making the connection.

Capri

carchaeologist wrote: »

What does something like mean?
The modern series UK registrations can read something like BD64XZK
or NG63XZX? That's maybe where you are making the connection.

Nah, this was defo a UK Lexus with OIK 347 on it - not 01 K 347 or anything else (couldn't do a U-y to get photo ) MAYBE it'll present itself again and I can check the tax disc to see WHERE it's reg'd
(Nearly as mysterious as the MH370 'disappearance' :eek: )

corktina

you said "something like" earlier...now you are saying "defo."...

How can you know it was a UK car?

rugbyman

I too think I may have seen this car in Dundalk on two occasions. I was not quick enough to note make but the OIK rings a bell. At first , and even now, I think its a seventies reg. Re the comments above, maybe it was nota UK car but a chassis thingy stroke.
Re the movement of Irish regs to the uk, it did not end with partition, it lasted until the sixties or seventies, as it did in the other direction,. This has been discussed on boards over the years.
My story , again, I met a fellow in the UK who had a car reg IYxxxx. It suited his initials. It was a way back Louth reg that had been moved to England and got onto the system without re reg, and became transferable.

When my brother imported a lorry from the UK in 1970 it was left with the UK numbers .looking back as I type I wonder was that because it was not taxed, or untill it was taxed?

rugbyman

I have to admit, I toyed with the idea of buying that IY no. And putting it on a nice UK yoke and swanning around here.Would have got the thought police ringing.

carchaeologist

rugbyman wrote: »

When my brother imported a lorry from the UK in 1970 it was left with the UK numbers .looking back as I type I wonder was that because it was not taxed, or untill it was taxed?

You could tax a car here on its UK plate until about 1976 I think. After that they had to be changed to Irish registrations.

steinbock123

Is this the car? ###CZO is mid 1981 if I'm not mistaken. I had a Yamaha motorbike in my mis-spent youth which was CZO###, and that was 1968. The Audi number doesn't show up on Cartell, but that means nothing. It's obviously an Audi UK Press car, so maybe an email to the Audi UK Press office might solve the mystery?

corktina

Of course, it may just be a plate put on a car to disguise it's real id for photos or other purposes. It doesn't follow that that is the actual registered number

Kevin_Herron

carchaeologist wrote: »

You could tax a car here on its UK plate until about 1976 I think. After that they had to be changed to Irish registrations.

To be clear about this;

If you had taxed an English registered car in Ireland in the 70's they can still be taxed here to this day.

IRL 1 being a prime example. Also YV9582, LG4777 amongst many many others.

Sam Russell

steinbock123 wrote: »

Is this the car? ###CZO is mid 1981 if I'm not mistaken. I had a Yamaha motorbike in my mis-spent youth which was CZO###, and that was 1968. The Audi number doesn't show up on Cartell, but that means nothing. It's obviously an Audi UK Press car, so maybe an email to the Audi UK Press office might solve the mystery?

Tax disc is missing. It may be a show plate, particularly as it says PRESS OFFICE on it.
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Silvera

^^^ However (just to make it more interesting!) they usually remove tax discs from photos as they dont want to 'date' the picture by including same (That is also the reason they use 'dateless' reg plates in press/brochure photos).

hi5

And they use symmetric digits to cover RHD and LHD markets, but how do they always get the lion to face the correct way on the Peugeots

Capri

Got reply from DVLA UK saying they didn't issue it, but maybe DVLA NI might have done, possibly DVLA NI have I's and Z's in their remit - nothing from Audi UK

MercMad

I've seen the Lexus too, and I'm fairly sure it was in Dundalk. I only caught it out of the corner of my eye and thought I was seeing thinks.

Could it be an NI trade plate ? I know in the old days we had things like 023 MIK, white plate with red digits and border. Perhaps they still use a form of that ?

Ballykine43

385 CZ0 or O Whether with a zero or the letter O does not fit with the NI configurations. The Z will always be the last letter in the grouping, whether before or after the numerals.


OIK 347. Again does not fit with the NI scheme of things....The OI is alright, but any third letter was always before it, eg BOI. Except possibly it is a subtly doctored (but not legal) OI 4347 to turn it to a personalised plate.

NI trade plates are red on a white background, front and rear

larchill

Kevin_Herron wrote: »

To be clear about this;

If you had taxed an English registered car in Ireland in the 70's they can still be taxed here to this day.

IRL 1 being a prime example. Also YV9582, LG4777 amongst many many others.

IRL 1 appears on Motorcheck as a 1958 Chevrolet

steinbock123

Spotted another old Dublin reg. has made it all the way to Devon! A neat number too. I'm not allowed post a link to it for some unknown reason, but if you go on the carandclassic website in the old dot co dot uk, it's item C527659, a Riley RME.

macplaxton

steinbock123 wrote: »

I'm not allowed post a link to it for some unknown reason

I'll make the reason known (having looked it up, as I didn't know). You currently need 50 posts to your name before you can post links (and do various other things such as post pictures, edit posts, etc.).

steinbock123 wrote: »

but if you go on the carandclassic website in the old dot co dot uk, it's item C527659, a Riley RME.

^^^^ clicky pic for link.

rugbyman

Saw the OIK lexus in Dundalk yesterday. Oh , amd a robin in my garden

Capri

Capri wrote: »

Nah, NI had regs like AUZ, EOI etc that weren't issued down here " but XZA, OIK etc were say Dublin that couldn't be issued by the UK (1922 and all that). I WILL get to the bottom of it!

VINDICATED :cool: Some might say I'm full of $£%& but my senses are all working Now for a photo , and an explanation :rolleyes:

rugbyman

one possible solution, wikipedia says AIK to ZIK 1955 to 57

so say someone moved to the UK, with OIK 3xx on a say austin A60. the number entered the system and became transferable, some one recently bought it and put it on a Lexus and swans about with it.m

This is an area where occasional strange things are to be seen, did a few of them myself in my day.

regards, Rugbyman

Grimreaper666

There was a lot of Irish stuff in the auction in Beaulieu this year and again last year. Anytime i've been on the ferry lately there was always a couple of classic cars heading over from here to the UK. The market's dead for classic stuff here anyway, and classic stuff I sold went to the UK.

Capri

I think I checked DVLA etc after I saw it and no result on that front - the mystery continues........

hi5

There is no mystery, its already been explained a few times.
Irish registrations including those from the 'south' of Ireland were transferable from Ireland onto the DVLA system up until the 1980's
They are still on the DVLA system and can get transferred anytime onto any UK vehicle.
For example and coincidently OIK 276 is currently available for £11,425 to buy in the UK, you can then put it on your UK Lexus or whatever, buy a ferry ticket and come over to Dublin for a week, where's the mystery?

Here is OIK 276 for sale......http://www.plates4less.co.uk/irish-number-plates/registrations.asp?searchInput=OIK&actionType=search&imageField32.x=35&imageField32.y=9

hi5

Are you sure it wasn't OIK 276 you saw?

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w124man

I remember back in the late '70's and early 80's press cars from the UK would get Republic plates if the type approval regs had not been completed in time for the photo work/press drives etc just before launch.

We miss out on a lot of dosh in not having a personal plate facility. :mad:

Silvera

w124man wrote: »

I remember back in the late '70's and early 80's press cars from the UK would get Republic plates if the type approval regs had not been completed in time for the photo work/press drives etc just before launch.

We miss out on a lot of dosh in not having a personal plate facility. :mad:

Do you me actual Republic plates, or temporary ZZ plates?

I agree re the personal plates btw.
The powers-that-be could even go half-way and introduce 'county plates', i.e. let owners choose any combination of numbers alongside their county of residence, e.g. you could choose (if you live in Galway?) '124-G' or 'G-124' for your car.

Capri

hi5 wrote: »

There is no mystery, its already been explained a few times.
Irish registrations including those from the 'south' of Ireland were transferable from Ireland onto the DVLA system up until the 1980's
They are still on the DVLA system and can get transferred anytime onto any UK vehicle.
For example and coincidently OIK 276 is currently available for £11,425 to buy in the UK, you can then put it on your UK Lexus or whatever, buy a ferry ticket and come over to Dublin for a week, where's the mystery?

Here is OIK 276 for sale......http://www.plates4less.co.uk/irish-number-plates/registrations.asp?searchInput=OIK&actionType=search&imageField32.x=35&imageField32.y=9

Well spotted, the mystery is explained (partially - didn't think RoI plates could be registered in the UK/NI but it seems they can be, love to see M50/NTR chasing that OIK plate for M50 toll :rolleyes: )

macplaxton

Capri wrote: »

didn't think RoI plates could be registered in the UK/NI but it seems they can could be,

...in the dim and distant past. In the present though, they can't be.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

jaysus they really like to spend money on custom reg's

https://www.plates4less.co.uk/private-number-plate/BIG1-classified

w124man

Silvera wrote: »

Do you me actual Republic plates, or temporary ZZ plates?

Actual Republic plates.

Silvera

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

jaysus they really like to spend money on custom reg's

https://www.plates4less.co.uk/private-number-plate/BIG1-classified

The UK plate '25 0' has recently set a new UK record - £518,000!

macplaxton

:eek: For 518k, I'd be wanting the Glasgow Lord Provost's plate...

rugbyman

here you go lads. Found this in newry.

Diabhalta

Irish plates popping up in the UK? This certainly requires further investigation! Let me know what the results are, hope it's not something tragic.

Type 17

Old Irish regs in the UK system seems common enough - here's an Alvis being sold by a UK collector-car retailer at Techno-Classica in Essen, Germany in 2014.



Also in 2014, while I was at the Heritage Motor Centre in the UK, there was meeting of classic trucks, including this 1980 Dublin-reg Scania with a Northern-Irish hauliers sign-writing, and with current NI windscreen discs

Red Kev

larchill wrote: »

IRL 1 appears on Motorcheck as a 1958 Chevrolet

Was mentioned here before, used to belong to the US embassy, pops up occasionally at car meets, seen it in Blackrock a few years ago but got no pic.

Silvera wrote: »

The UK plate '25 0' has recently set a new UK record - £518,000!

It has, still has a long way to go to beat the Arabs, £7.1 million for a plate FFS!

http://www.demonplates.com/plates/expensive-number-plates.php

VIP 1 was going to be a Kilkenny number but they finished up at UIP in 1986 just before the changeover. It was put on a Garda car that was used to ferry around the Pope when he was here, went ot the UK before the restrictions on plate swops were introduced in 1983 (IIRC) and now Abrahimovich has it on his Corniche.

hi5

The VIP 1 plate on the Pope mobile was a made up plate for the occasion.

John Larkin

Red Kev wrote: »

VIP 1 was going to be a Kilkenny number but they finished up at UIP in 1986 just before the changeover. It was put on a Garda car that was used to ferry around the Pope when he was here, went ot the UK before the restrictions on plate swops were introduced in 1983 (IIRC) and now Abrahimovich has it on his Corniche.

VIP 1 was issued in August 1971.

Type 17

hi5 wrote: »

The VIP 1 plate on the Pope mobile was a made up plate for the occasion.

True, especially as they also used it (IIRC) on both the Granada above and the Ford Custom truck chassis that was the popemobile for the same visit.

Silvera

Type 17 wrote: »

True, especially as they also used it (IIRC) on both the Granada above and the Ford Custom truck chassis that was the popemobile for the same visit.

I believe that Ford Truck 'Popemobile' is owned by/on display in the Wax Museum, Dublin?

Type 17

They own the bodywork that was on the back of the Ford, but it is mounted on a Mercedes chassis these days. I presume that Ford Ireland kept the Custom chassis/cab and sold it after the pope's visit.

Silvera

^^^^^ I recall seeing a newspaper pic in recent times with the original Ford truck still 'attached' to the 'popemobile' bodywork (in the Wax Museum workshop). Perhaps it's seen better days and requires restoration..

Duke O Smiley

Not quite the UK but...

Silvera

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Not quite the UK but...

Another 'slightly Irish looking' Malaysian plate