Granny tax

delw

Sweet jesus how low will this government go,tax grandmothers if they earn more than €15,000 for minding their grand children & should be trained.So AH do you think it's right,should they pay tax or do you pay your parents to mind your children,also what about training them do they need training after raising you or do you not trust them.

"It is understood these new rules will even apply to grandparents who are paid to mind their grandchildren at home.
Minister Joan Burton says it is in the best interests of children if all childminders are fully trained and accountable."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/burton-defends-proposal-to-see-childminding-grandmothers-complete-26-page-tax-return-624564.html

Conmaicne Mara

Think the Gubberment will get told to FO on this occassion. Can't see anyone paying heed, or anything else to this, I know we won't be.

(which obviously makes us babykillers, but I'm willing to take the risk)

Kristopherus

The biggest load of BS since fried bread:mad:.

Sh1tbag OToole

Can we not float the whole government off to sea with a few explosive charges set to go off when gets to about 20 miles out?

Mint Aero

Thick f*cks.

MS.ing

*farts*

darkpagandeath

Will parents have to be trained and be registered child minders now ? The state involvement in Family's in relation to “think of the children” is getting ridiculous.

StompToWork

Non event.

It will not happen.

NEXT!!!

geckovision

delw wrote: »

"It is understood these new rules will even apply to grandparents who are paid to mind their grandchildren at home.
Minister Joan Burton says it is in the best interests of children if all childminders are fully trained and accountable."

How dumb are the Irish Government? Seriously. Nobody will be fooled that spiel.

I think the fact they've raised kids to become parents themselves somewhat qualifies grandparents to look after them.

The logic dictates that all new parents should be 'trained and accountable'. Utterly moronic.

shruikan2553

If I buy my grandparents something do they have to mark it down as benefit in kind?

Manach

When the state starts to cynically create laws which it knows are impractical and will be ignored once the order is signed off, betokens a level of ideological stupidity that hints at several generations of inbreeding in the political classes.

Smidge

Yes because most Nana's just love having to spend the years when they should be taking it easy having to mind the grandchildren.
In fact any Nana that I know who looks after their grandchild doesnt get a PENNY for the privilage.
They do it(in most cases)because their son/daughter cant afford the extortionate rate for childcare in this country but their son/daughter goes out to work day in day out to keep a roof over the childs head and food in their bellies.

If anything, this sham government should give these grandparents an ALLOWANCE for it.

corsav6

Do you need special training to adopt a child in Ireland? Or is it just for childminders?

The Backwards Man

If they're above the threshold they should pay tax.

Being old is not the same thing as being poor.

Sir Arthur Daley

€15,000 plus pension no bad years wage, God the faux outrage.

Ace2007

delw wrote: »

Sweet jesus how low will this government go,tax grandmothers if they earn more than €15,000 for minding their grand children & should be trained.So AH do you think it's right,should they pay tax or do you pay your parents to mind your children,also what about training them do they need training after raising you or do you not trust them.

"It is understood these new rules will even apply to grandparents who are paid to mind their grandchildren at home.
Minister Joan Burton says it is in the best interests of children if all childminders are fully trained and accountable."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/burton-defends-proposal-to-see-childminding-grandmothers-complete-26-page-tax-return-624564.html

Saw this earlier on, the report says even if you get paid less than 15k you also have to fill out the 26 page report.

Next there will be a stay at home Tax for mothers/fathers who mind the kids at home or a pet tax regardless if it's a gold fish or a horse.

If labour had any sense they would tell Joan to shut up, she does enough damage with the job bridge stuff, but the youth don't vote, where as the elderly do.

Sam Kade

B@stard politicians must be giving themselves a pay rise again and using this nonsense as a decoy :mad:

delw

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If they're above the threshold they should pay tax.

Being old is not the same thing as being poor.

That's fair enough but do you know any grand parents that charge €15,000 or more a year to mind their grand children also should they be able to claim tax back on items they buy for the kids

Fr. Ned

What a pathetic shower of 'see you next tuesday's' we have running this banana republic.

Burton is one disgusting piece of work.

The Backwards Man

delw wrote: »

That's fair enough but do you know any grand parents that charge €15,000 or more a year to mind their grand children also should they be able to claim tax back on items they buy for the kids

I know a few childminders who also happen to be grandparents.

Should they not be required to file a tax return like everyone else? If not, please tell me why not?

Smidge

delw wrote: »

That's fair enough but do you know any grand parents that charge €15,000 or more a year to mind their grand children also should they be able to claim tax back on items they buy for the kids

I have a fair few friends who depend on the grandparents for child minding and they cant afford to pay for a creche that's why they are with the grandparents.
I mean that's 1250 a month(312.50 pw)!!

This stinks of of a smokescreen tbh

Smidge

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I know a few childminders who also happen to be grandparents.

For their OWN grandchildren though?

The Backwards Man

Smidge wrote: »

For their OWN grandchildren though?

Along with others, yes.

The Th!ng

Wipe the baby's arse with the form and send it off to Labour HQ.

Sir Arthur Daley

Smidge wrote: »

I mean that's 1250 a month(312.50 pw)!!

Plus pension money.

Smidge

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Along with others, yes.

Maybe clarify for me BM, how many children APART from grandchildren are the people you know looking after and what kind of money is involved?
I know a couple of people childminding at home(my neighbour being one). She looks after 2 boys from 8am to 6pm for 150 euro pw.
I dont begrudge her a washer of her untaxed earnings(the kids are a handful).
If she didnt do it the mother of the children couldnt work and the cycle would continue.

Although this is a seperate is from the OP entirely, we are talking grandparents looking after them

Smidge

WikiHow wrote: »

Plus pension money.

Are you saying they would get a pension from the 15k earnings?
Surely not?
Or do you mean the pension to which they are entitled to and already receive?

Sh1tbag OToole

Is there anything this government dont want to tax, ban or regulate? It seems like the list of things an ordinary person is allowed to do is shrinking by the day.

Sir Arthur Daley

Smidge wrote: »

If she didnt do it the mother of the children couldnt work and the cycle would continue.

Who forced her to have kids?

Arthur Beesley

I don't see why this would not be taxable income.

delw

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I know a few childminders who also happen to be grandparents.

Should they not be required to file a tax return like everyone else? If not, please tell me why not?

Are these childminders charging €15,000 or more a year to mind their own flesh & blood?If they running a business minding other children then yes they should file a tax return.Should grandparents claim tax back on spoiling grand kids as well

Sir Arthur Daley

Smidge wrote: »

Are you saying they would get a pension from the 15k earnings?
Surely not?
Or do you mean the pension to which they are entitled to and already receive?

I thought i was clear in saying it was €15000 plus pension.

Arthur Beesley

delw wrote: »

That's fair enough but do you know any grand parents that charge €15,000 or more a year to mind their grand children also should they be able to claim tax back on items they buy for the kids

You mean items like Christmas and Birthday presents?

Stavros Murphy

My Grannys dead. I'm guessing she won't pay. Though with this lot, you never really know..

geckovision

WikiHow wrote: »

€15,000 plus pension no bad years wage, God the faux outrage.

Um no. That's just the tax cut off point as it is at the moment.

Childminders who earn less than €15,000 a year are exempt from paying tax - but it is understood that they will now be obliged to fill in a 26-page tax return form for the first time.
It is understood these new rules will even apply to grandparents who are paid to mind their grandchildren at home.

That part above is what's important.

They've no definition of 'paid to mind their grandchildren'. They're assuming all grandparents are on a monthly or weekly wage. I'd say in most cases it's a few quid here and there (that of course adds up over the year).

You're assuming they're all on 15k a year too. Which is nonsense. You've no idea what the parents circumstances are either. Or the grandparents for that matter.

No faux outrage. Just pointing out the stupidity of it.

geckovision

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

My Grannys dead. I'm guessing she won't pay. Though with this lot, you never really know..

DIG HER UP!

Sh1tbag OToole

WikiHow wrote: »

I thought i was clear in saying it was €15000 plus pension.

Honestly lad.. it's the frickin government why do you even give a damn?

Arthur Beesley

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

My Grannys dead. I'm guessing she won't pay. Though with this lot, you never really know..

Presumably she isn't minding your kids, so I don't think you need to worry about this.

If on the other hand she is minding your kids then you have bigger problems.

Guy:Incognito

Ace2007 wrote: »

Next there will be a stay at home Tax for mothers/fathers who mind the kids at home or a pet tax regardless if it's a gold fish or a horse.
.

No, but if they are someone elses kids and your getting paid €15,000 a year for it........

Sir Arthur Daley

This thread is gone to wreck, what is the state pension?

delw

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

You mean items like Christmas and Birthday presents?

What about clothes granny happens to see in a sale perhaps or buys a book/toy on a wim just because they love too spoil their grand kids

Sir Arthur Daley

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Honestly lad.. it's the frickin government why do you even give a damn?

Government is always wrong, good point.

Sh1tbag OToole

WikiHow wrote: »

This thread is gone to wreck, what is the state pension?

Beans on toast every day until the toaster breaks and you cant afford a new one.

Guy:Incognito

Smidge wrote: »

For their OWN grandchildren though?

If my dad owns a company can I work tax free for him?

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Is there anything this government dont want to tax, ban or regulate? It seems like the list of things an ordinary person is allowed to do is shrinking by the day.

I would have thought everyone is well up on the idea of income tax, no?

Czarcasm

I don't see what all the fuss is about? They're the same as any other self-employed person working from home! They should not be exempt from paying tax on their taxable income and declaring it the same as any self-employed person!

€15,000 is still a generous amount to earn without paying tax on it!

Sir Arthur Daley

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Beans on toast every day until the toaster breaks and you cant afford a new one.

Thanks now we have established something.

jank

LOL, good woman Joan, fighting the good fight for the left. There goes another 2% of labours votes down the drain. The idea that individuals have be told who can and cannot mind their own child is just authoritarian and down right disturbing. This is what so called 'liberals' would have you believe is right. Beware the state. How many kids have died in state care the past number of years? But sure because its the state and they 'mean well' the press and those in power give them a free pass. As I said beware the state. What next, a license to have kids? Why the **** are the left obsessed with social engineering when most people can't stand it and know its all a load of $hite passed off as some sort of way to create utopia?

Stavros Murphy

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Presumably she isn't minding your kids, so I don't think you need to worry about this.

If on the other hand she is minding your kids then you have bigger problems.

She's minding them in spirit. "Go see Granny. Bring flowers. Walk slow.."

Arthur Beesley

delw wrote: »

What about clothes granny happens to see in a sale perhaps or buys a book/toy on a wim just because they love too spoil their grand kids

What about them? I buy my nieces and nephews stuff. Should I be able to claim back tax too?

Sh1tbag OToole

WikiHow wrote: »

Government is always wrong, good point.

And short on money so perpetually looking for a new untapped cache of people to screw..

Stavros Murphy

jank wrote: »

LOL, good woman Joan, fighting the good fight for the left. There goes another 2% of labours votes down the drain. The idea that individuals have be told who can and cannot mind their own child is just authoritarian and down right disturbing. This is what so called 'liberals' would have you believe is right. Beware the state. How many kids have died in state care the past number of years? But sure because its the state and they 'mean well' the press and those in power give them a free pass. As I said beware the state. What next, a license to have kids? Why the **** are the left obsessed with social engineering when most people can't stand it and know its all a load of $hite passed off as some sort of way to create utopia?

Go leftier, and you get the USSR, that bastion of freedom. This lot are USSR-Lite.