I got a job, but desperately need help for relocating to Cork

Fia79

hello,

after few years living on one family payment, I finally got a job. I ill get the contract in the next days.
my problem is. my training starts on the 24th this month in Cork but im living with my son in Donegal. i thought i will have more time.
i have no savings and because of a full time job, i wont get benefits. i will have to move but i cant afford the deposit for a place to rent.
i called the community officer, the county council, the citizen information. nobody can help.
does anybody know if i could get a loan somewhere? or any help at all?
im desperate. i dont want to refuse this job and have to be depending on the welfare for the rest of my life only because i dont have the savings for moving.

padjo5

Depending on the type of employer they may be able to give you a contact or an intro to a local place? What about a hostel, similar cost to renting but without the need for deposit.

Fia79

I was thinking of a hostel but then I would have to stay about 2 months in a hostel to be able to afford the deposit for a new home. maybe even longer. from my salary which I get after a month of work, I would have to pay the hostel, the usual cost of living (food etc), 4 weeks for the council house as I have to tell them that I give it up and then I have a 4 weeks frist.
they just told me I got the job this morning so I will have to pay 4 more weeks rent here.
during my training im earning not that much anyway. I wont be able to save much for the deposit for renting a home.

Zamboni

Credit union?

Zamboni

Is the job in cork or just the training?

Mrs OBumble

How old is your son, and will he be moving with you? If so, then I don't think a hostel is really an option. (And I'm not sure many of them take long term people anyway.)

Could you try VdP? I know it seems desperate ... but might be worth a shot.

jlm29

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How old is your son, and will he be moving with you? If so, then I don't think a hostel is really an option. (And I'm not sure many of them take long term people anyway.)

Could you try VdP? I know it seems desperate ... but might be worth a shot.

It might be your only shot op, unless you have a family member who might be able to give you a dig out, or even go guarantor on a loan til you get on your feet. Is your sons dad on the scene? Maybe he could help with your son, while you go down to get yourself organised- though I know that would be tough for you. Fair play to you for trying to get yourself back to work- you're an example of how it might sometimes be easier not to bother.
If I still lived in cork, I'd actually have you sleeping on my floor while you got sorted!!

Fia79

jlm29 wrote: »

It might be your only shot op, unless you have a family member who might be able to give you a dig out, or even go guarantor on a loan til you get on your feet. Is your sons dad on the scene? Maybe he could help with your son, while you go down to get yourself organised- though I know that would be tough for you. Fair play to you for trying to get yourself back to work- you're an example of how it might sometimes be easier not to bother.
If I still lived in cork, I'd actually have you sleeping on my floor while you got sorted!!

that's really sweet of you, thank you.


my sons dad never payed a cent in 13 years and my only family would be my mother. she is depending on disability allowance and couldn't give me financial help.

Fia79

Zamboni wrote: »

Credit union?

sadly not definitely soon though. I don't want to end up in a similar situation again.

Fia79

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

How old is your son, and will he be moving with you? If so, then I don't think a hostel is really an option. (And I'm not sure many of them take long term people anyway.)

Could you try VdP? I know it seems desperate ... but might be worth a shot.

my son is 14. he would stay in Donegal with my mother until I have things sorted in cork.

I thought of VdP myself. this should be the very last option I consider but I will try if I don't find help anywhere else.

Fia79

Zamboni wrote: »

Is the job in cork or just the training?

the training and the job are in cork

Zamboni

Fia79 wrote: »

the training and the job are in cork

Try being upfront with the company?
Some companies can be really good about stuff like this and may give you a sub out of your first payslip and/or assist in accommodation until you get yourself sorted.

Fia79

Zamboni wrote: »

Try being upfront with the company?
Some companies can be really good about stuff like this and may give you a sub out of your first payslip and/or assist in accommodation until you get yourself sorted.

im only worried if I ask the company and they are not happy with me having problems right away, that they don't keep me. but this will be an option if I have no choice.

jester77

Talk with the company, if you are moving that far and with such short notice then I would be expecting a relocation package of some sort. Or that they put you up in the company apartment for a few weeks until you are sorted, most companies have one to save on hotel costs.

Fia79

jester77 wrote: »

Talk with the company, if you are moving that far and with such short notice then I would be expecting a relocation package of some sort. Or that they put you up in the company apartment for a few weeks until you are sorted, most companies have one to save on hotel costs.

they do offer relocation packages but only if I move from an different country.

I will ask and maybe they can help out.

Michael D Not Higgins

Definitely see if the company can help. When I moved to the UK, my boss gave me a relocation bonus upfront which really helped with the expenses of moving.

You may not get that but I could see them advancing the salary for the costs.

Fia79

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Definitely see if the company can help. When I moved to the UK, my boss gave me a relocation bonus upfront which really helped with the expenses of moving.

You may not get that but I could see them advancing the salary for the costs.

it worth a try then

gubby

I dont know if it would be any help but I live in County Cork about 15 miles from the city. There is a pretty good bus service. You are more than welcome to stay with us. We have plenty spare rooms as all but one of our kids have flown the nest and she is off to NZ in a few weeks.
pm me if I can be any help

Ray Palmer

jester77 wrote: »

Talk with the company, if you are moving that far and with such short notice then I would be expecting a relocation package of some sort. Or that they put you up in the company apartment for a few weeks until you are sorted, most companies have one to save on hotel costs.

Lets be realistic here. Relocation packages are rare and generally refer to people working in the same company moving or people headhunted. Getting a job is very unlikely to warrant a relocation package specially one where you need to do training to start.

Squatman

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Lets be realistic here. Relocation packages are rare and generally refer to people working in the same company moving or people headhunted. Getting a job is very unlikely to warrant a relocation package specially one where you need to do training to start.

Yes, lets be realistic, you dont know anything about this, Isnt everyone who is offered a job "head-hunted" in one form or another.

OP you wont get a relocation fee .... Unless you ask. I advised my OH to do this for her latest job, and they were happy to oblige. Moving from Limerick to Cork. Remember, every job requires training, but the fact of the matter is, it is always hard to find someone suitable for a particular job, someone that will stay with the company for years, not cause trouble, and get on well with the other staff, and when a company finds a person, they would be willing to spend a few pound to encourage them to stay.

All the best OP

djimi

In terms of relocation fees, company apartments etc, a lot will depend on the size of the company. If its a big enough company then its a possibility, but for most small to medium sized companies I would be very surprised if they were willing/able to offer such a thing.

Fia79

its a huge american company even. because they do offer relocation packages for people if they don't live in Ireland, im actually quite sure they must be able to provide or have connections to places where I could rent something. just the conditions I don't know. I hope they can put me to a sharing accommodation or anything like that for a short while. maybe they will take the rent for it from my salary then.
it depends on how much the rent would be but maybe it could give me some time to save for deposit and sort out things.

my son will be fine in Donegal for a few weeks if necessary. even it will break my heart.

anyway, I think that could be a realistic option the company could help me with.

Fia79

gubby wrote: »

I dont know if it would be any help but I live in County Cork about 15 miles from the city. There is a pretty good bus service. You are more than welcome to stay with us. We have plenty spare rooms as all but one of our kids have flown the nest and she is off to NZ in a few weeks.
pm me if I can be any help

wow that's awfully nice of you. I will try the other options I have of course .... all the many, many options I have hahaha..... but thank you so much for this great offer.

Ray Palmer

Squatman wrote: »

Yes, lets be realistic, you dont know anything about this, Isnt everyone who is offered a job "head-hunted" in one form or another.

I know a lot about recruitment and company polices. No people are not head hunted by virtue of a recruitment. Head hunting is where they go looking for you as an individual. They aren't going to offer a relocation package and to ask for it would probably do more harm than good. It is completely unrealistic

Michael D Not Higgins

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I know a lot about recruitment and company polices. No people are not head hunted by virtue of a recruitment. Head hunting is where they go looking for you as an individual. They aren't going to offer a relocation package and to ask for it would probably do more harm than good. It is completely unrealistic

It is reasonable that there are moving expenses and the company could be willing to provide a bit of advanced salary to cover these. This would not be a relocation package, but upfront money to cover costs.

I was not head hunted and did not even seek a relocation package, it was just offered to me with my job offer. That was a slightly different proposition however, as it meant moving country.

I have recently been head hunted but I have not entertained any offers far enough to hear what kind of relocation packages they offer (if any).

Ray Palmer

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

It is reasonable that there are moving expenses and the company could be willing to provide a bit of advanced salary to cover these. This would not be a relocation package, but upfront money to cover costs.

I was not head hunted and did not even seek a relocation package, it was just offered to me with my job offer. That was a slightly different proposition however, as it meant moving country.

I have recently been head hunted but I have not entertained any offers far enough to hear what kind of relocation packages they offer (if any).

No it is not reasonable and asking for it could very easily bee seen as troubling.

Moving to another country is not slightly different it is massively different.

This is a commuting distance for some. If you think it is realistic a relocation package is offered think about it this way, would you pay extra for the employee after you agreed a salary? Most companies will not do this unless there is a special reason.

Michael D Not Higgins

Ray Palmer wrote: »

No it is not reasonable and asking for it could very easily bee seen as troubling.

Moving to another country is not slightly different it is massively different.

This is a commuting distance for some. If you think it is realistic a relocation package is offered think about it this way, would you pay extra for the employee after you agreed a salary? Most companies will not do this unless there is a special reason.

I'm not saying they should get more money, just ask for an advance on the salary.

Also, a 5 hour drive is not my idea of a commuting distance.

subway

few things you can do:
check if HR have any local facilities, as mentioned above.
either a relocation package or they may book you a hotel for a couple of weeks.
its not unheard of but eally depends on your salary scale

find out when payday is and when payroll happens. you may find that you are paid very shortly after starting if they are set up correctly

ask HR if there is an internal notice board with room shares etc. you might get a short term option via that. hr might faciliate something there

check cheap hotels / apartments, places where you can pay on check out

if its just for a few weeks. check college sites to see if you can get digs mon-fri

The Spider

I think you need to be careful, here and I'd think long and hard about asking for relocation expenses, in my opinion they should provide something if they're a big american firm.

Having said that, it depends on the type of job, if it's something in high demand, they'll bend over backwards if not, they'll look to move onto someone who can accommodate for little cost.

Now here's the big one, for the first six months you're on probation, the company can drop you like a hot stone in that time, if you're seen to be 'hassle'.

The first six months in a company are crucial for your career, especially if you're coming back into the workforce after being out of it.

I've seen people completely destroy any chance of getting ahead in a company because of their behaviour in the first six months, and they don't even realise their doing it.

Your bosses are looking for someone who helps them and makes them look good, they're not looking for someone that makes them have to justify the hire to their bosses, believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about here.

If I was you I would do everything I could before I'd ask the company, it won't reflect well, and will show a lack of self sufficiency, and it will come back to bite you later, first impressions last for the amount of time you're with that company.

One thing you really have to remember here, and some people have a hard time with this, and that is, that nobody owes you anything, and the only way to get to a point where they do is to perform in the job.

Squatman

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I know a lot about recruitment and company polices. No people are not head hunted by virtue of a recruitment. Head hunting is where they go looking for you as an individual. They aren't going to offer a relocation package and to ask for it would probably do more harm than good. It is completely unrealistic

No its not, read the rest of my post.
If you dont ask you wont get. Its all part of negotiation.

The Spider

Squatman wrote: »

No its not, read the rest of my post.
If you dont ask you wont get. Its all part of negotiation.

Not if it isn't a job that's in high demand, for instance a manager for a division, or a highly skilled developer, the company will do it. If your job is in a call centre answering phones, then they'll more than likely raise an eyebrow, if it was available I'm sure it would have been mentioned by the recruiter.

To negotiate you need to have something the company can't easily get somewhere else, if not then you're better off not bringing it up.

Squatman

The Spider wrote: »

Not if it isn't a job that's in high demand, for instance a manager for a division, or a highly skilled developer, the company will do it. If your job is in a call centre answering phones, then they'll more than likely raise an eyebrow, if it was available I'm sure it would have been mentioned by the recruiter.

To negotiate you need to have something the company can't easily get somewhere else, if not then you're better off not bringing it up.

If they are offering you the job, then the company already thinks you have something they cant get somewhere else. The safest thing for you to have said was that you dont know.
I dont know either, but I know my OH got it, and one thing is for certain, if you dont ask for it, you wont get it. Good day!

The Spider

Squatman wrote: »

If they are offering you the job, then the company already thinks you have something they cant get somewhere else. The safest thing for you to have said was that you dont know.
I dont know either, but I know my OH got it, and one thing is for certain, if you dont ask for it, you wont get it. Good day!

Nah not really, seeing as I do a lot of hiring (and firing unfortunately) and I know the requirements for relocation expenses.

And I have hired people who I know it's easy to replace and people who I'd have great difficulty in doing so.

I did say at the start that if they're a big american company they should provide something.

Anyway it's a HR issue and relocation expenses come down to a particular departments budget, one department in a company may have a decent budget for it and another may have none.

I suppose the OP could ask to speak to someone from HR and they'll let them know the policy, and they'll know one way or another, but if that course is taken I would advise to ask about the policy in regard to relocation expenses and not try and negotiate, if the policy is no relocation expenses, then there is zero room for negotiation, because it hasn't been factored into that departments budget for the year.

Ray Palmer

Squatman wrote: »

If they are offering you the job, then the company already thinks you have something they cant get somewhere else. The safest thing for you to have said was that you dont know.
I dont know either, but I know my OH got it, and one thing is for certain, if you dont ask for it, you wont get it. Good day!

You are rating being hired way above what it actually means to a company. If you pick 5 out of 20 applicants for a role you will very easily withdraw an offer and give it to the next person on your rating.

I have withdrawn offers for people who started asking for more. The main reason was because I hired people who started asking for stuff above the job they were offered. Later on they were trouble now I see it as an indication of a poor attitude and unrealistic expectations.

An offer can and will be withdrawn for less so not a good idea to ask IMHO.

ABajaninCork

If it's who I think it is, they will give you a sub, OP. Won't be a problem.

PM me if you're still stuck. If it's the same company, I can put the word out asking people if they can rent you a room till you get settled. I can also help with best places to live in close proximity to the company.

Congrats on the job offer and best of luck! *shakes hand*

ABajaninCork

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You are rating being hired way above what it actually means to a company. If you pick 5 out of 20 applicants for a role you will very easily withdraw an offer and give it to the next person on your rating.

I have withdrawn offers for people who started asking for more. The main reason was because I hired people who started asking for stuff above the job they were offered. Later on they were trouble now I see it as an indication of a poor attitude and unrealistic expectations.

An offer can and will be withdrawn for less so not a good idea to ask IMHO.

All the OP has to do is get in touch with HR, explain the situation and ask for a sub. Sorted.

Ray Palmer

ABajaninCork wrote: »

All the OP has to do is get in touch with HR, explain the situation and ask for a sub. Sorted.

Not necessarily. Most companies will take exception to this. If you think it is worth the risk fine but you are going through this the OP is. It is no risk to you but maybe a risk to the OP. That has to be pointed out. Many many companies are not so carefree about such things.

Mrs OBumble

Maybe ABajaninCork is right and this company will give a sub. (Cork's not that large, people are likely to know).

But in general, I'm with Ray. Many companies won't, and will indeed look badly on a new employee who ask. What's more, the OP has been living in a council house (meaning relatively low, income-related, rent) and apparently still has not enough savings. Now there may be some good reasons for this (we have no way of knowing what circumstances have seen the OP end up in this situation) But still that's not a personal attribute that I'd want to be sharing with a new employer.

Also, I don't think that a sub actuallly solves the problem. Sure if the OP gets it, they can use it to pay a deposit. But what do they live on until their second pay in the new job comes through. How do they pay for the bus-fare to Cork and the zillion and one things they're likely to need moving into a new place (duvet, sheets, tea-towels, initial kitchen and cleaning stuff .. it all adds up). Ireland's a small enough country, but even so the OP would be severely stretched to pop home to Donegal at the weekend to grab extra stuff that s/he left behind.

ABajaninCork

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Not necessarily. Most companies will take exception to this. If you think it is worth the risk fine but you are going through this the OP is. It is no risk to you but maybe a risk to the OP. That has to be pointed out. Many many companies are not so carefree about such things.

Did you read my posts Ray?

Ray Palmer

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Did you read my posts Ray?

yes did you read mine

chris85

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Lets be realistic here. Relocation packages are rare and generally refer to people working in the same company moving or people headhunted. Getting a job is very unlikely to warrant a relocation package specially one where you need to do training to start.

Not true, I know many people who got relocation for shorter distances including myself. Also if a company is actively recruiting outside its locality (especially abroad) this would be normal to have relocation paid. The bigger the company the better the policy on this usually.

Mrs OBumble

chris85 wrote: »

Not true, I know many people who got relocation for shorter distances including myself. Also if a company is actively recruiting outside its locality (especially abroad) this would be normal to have relocation paid. The bigger the company the better the policy on this usually.

Yeah - but what is your job-role? And were you already in a job at the time?

Milly33

I shall send you a pm there

Milly33

Milly33 wrote: »

I shall send you a pm there

sounds like quite the bother.. Hope you get things sorted

The Spider

chris85 wrote: »

Not true, I know many people who got relocation for shorter distances including myself. Also if a company is actively recruiting outside its locality (especially abroad) this would be normal to have relocation paid. The bigger the company the better the policy on this usually.

Nope generally if someone applies for a job but lives outside the locality it's assumed they have no problem getting to work, two questions you can't ask in an interview are, how old are you, and where do you live.

For the simple reason they may prejudice the outcome of the interview, if someone gives up the information voluntarily that's their own look out, and I can say from experience when recruiting in the past, we had someone who was on paper extensively qualified and gave a great interview, he then told us where he lived, and we ended up hiring another candidate closer to home, because we thought there were going to be issues.

We've also hired in the past where people gave nothing away in the interview and it was only after they got the job that we realised the distances they were travelling, they never asked for relocation expenses, and if they did they wouldn't have got it,as when they applied for the job as far as we were concerned it wasn't a problem.

If we recruit form outside the country then yes we will pay relocation expenses, but the people we're looking for outside the country are highly skilled and we know we can't source them here, also moving country is a big deal, and we're aware of how much we're asking from someone in the interview, so we will help them relocate.

Like I say as far as an employer in Ireland is concerned if someone is applying for a job in a different county, they'll think they intend to move there anyway, and would be quite surprised if they asked their new employer to give them a dig out.

Fia79

first, I like to thank you all for the comments. I appreciate them so much. you all make me think of possibilities and aware of things I wasn't thinking of. its a great help to me already. thank you all.


I agree with spider.
maybe it isn't a problem for the company to help but on the other hand, what if they do have a problem with it? I cant know and there will be a risk what can cost me the job during my probation.

I know I will be important enough for the company as im a german speaker. that's a must for my position. also the training starts that soon and the company might will have difficulties to find other german speakers on that short notice.
without the training they wont let anybody work there and who knows when the next training is planned. until then, they cant hire other german speakers actually.
still it would be not wise to think they really need me.
im afraid to take any slightest risk what could make me look bad. this job is a chance for me to get out of the welfare circle.



but to the good news:


a little help I will get from the welfare. they sent me a form and it looks like they can help a bit with the transport cost of moving. that's something, yaaayyyy .

another great thing, a friend of mine can support me with a little amout of cash monthly until im sorted.

there could be an accommodation for me in cork for a short while.



with a bit of luck I will find an affordable place to rent for me and my son very quick.
Im thinking of asking SvP to help out with the deposit. maybe they agree to monthly rates to pay them back. the members of SvP here in my village know me since 8 years.
so please cross fingers for me

chris85

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yeah - but what is your job-role? And were you already in a job at the time?

A professional role and I was straight out of college first time I got an offer which I didnt take but included relocation which was over to the UK.

Second two roles offered same time when I finished college again for a masters degree. Professional role and both offered relocation. One was in Ireland and other in Europe.

Milly33

Well done to you, I am just reading through all the post here and it sounds like you are trying your best to get this to work for you. Great to hear welfare will help you out, and SVP.

If ye need anything at all let me know I sent a pm there to you about a possible place to stay if you wanted but if you need a hand setting things up, or even bits and pieces for a place when ye do get sorted let me know I seem to have acquired a mass selection of house hold items that I cant fit in the castle haha.. But just ask..

I hope it works out for you now it really does seem like you are trying your best fair deuce to you!!

Fia79

Milly33 wrote: »

Well done to you, I am just reading through all the post here and it sounds like you are trying your best to get this to work for you. Great to hear welfare will help you out, and SVP.

If ye need anything at all let me know I sent a pm there to you about a possible place to stay if you wanted but if you need a hand setting things up, or even bits and pieces for a place when ye do get sorted let me know I seem to have acquired a mass selection of house hold items that I cant fit in the castle haha.. But just ask..

I hope it works out for you now it really does seem like you are trying your best fair deuce to you!!

aaawww milly that's so nice of you. thank you so much. its just great to know I can contact somebody if I need those kind of help. I can breath easyer now
thank you so much. I appreciate it a lot

chris85

Fia79 wrote: »

first, I like to thank you all for the comments. I appreciate them so much. you all make me think of possibilities and aware of things I wasn't thinking of. its a great help to me already. thank you all.


I agree with spider.
maybe it isn't a problem for the company to help but on the other hand, what if they do have a problem with it? I cant know and there will be a risk what can cost me the job during my probation.

I know I will be important enough for the company as im a german speaker. that's a must for my position. also the training starts that soon and the company might will have difficulties to find other german speakers on that short notice.
without the training they wont let anybody work there and who knows when the next training is planned. until then, they cant hire other german speakers actually.
still it would be not wise to think they really need me.
im afraid to take any slightest risk what could make me look bad. this job is a chance for me to get out of the welfare circle.



but to the good news:


a little help I will get from the welfare. they sent me a form and it looks like they can help a bit with the transport cost of moving. that's something, yaaayyyy .

another great thing, a friend of mine can support me with a little amout of cash monthly until im sorted.

there could be an accommodation for me in cork for a short while.



with a bit of luck I will find an affordable place to rent for me and my son very quick.
Im thinking of asking SvP to help out with the deposit. maybe they agree to monthly rates to pay them back. the members of SvP here in my village know me since 8 years.
so please cross fingers for me

Good work Fia79. Not an easy thing relocating, especially with a child, and I am sure it will work out for you with your good attitude towards it. Good to see the distance is not deterring you from working hard. Really do hope it works out well.

Fieldsman

OP glad to hear things are beginning to fall into place for you but how are you going to manage your son's education