Is John Gilligan on the dole ?

Turn the radio on

Since he came out of prison ? If so is he genuinely seeking work ?

debabyjesus

Probably illness benefit at the moment!

Dravokivich

Do we need to know everything about him?

jane82

He would be very silly if he wasnt. Cab would probably want to know where he was getting his money from. Hed get more hassle from not collecting it.

hfallada

Cab has made life for criminals in Ireland extremely difficult. They can't buy a thing without showing the money came from a legitimate source. Meaning they can't buy cars it houses without they being seized. That's why most of our criminals live in Spain

WilyCoyote

If Gilligan had access to funds, I think he wouldn't be in the pickle he's in. His pub is up for sale and there are debts there also. Paul Reynolds always said that he'd millions stashed away .......... but don't expect Ireland's version of Clouseau to admit that he was talking tripe.
CAB generally leave you in a bit of a state. It's not like NAMA.

Smithwicks Man

hfallada wrote: »

Cab has made life for criminals in Ireland extremely difficult. They can't buy a thing without showing the money came from a legitimate source. Meaning they can't buy cars it houses without they being seized. That's why most of our criminals live in Spain

Fairly sure non-criminals can't just buy cars and houses without being able to show where they got the money from either.

GenieOz

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Fairly sure non-criminals can't just buy cars and houses without being able to show where they got the money from either.

Er, yeah they can.

Smithwicks Man

GenieOz wrote: »

Er, yeah they can.

I'd imagine if somebody went and bought a house in full then there'd be a strong chance of questions being asked?

Sure you can't even walk into most banks with 10 grand and deposit it without explaining where you got it from.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Fairly sure non-criminals can't just buy cars and houses without being able to show where they got the money from either.

How does a non-criminal just get €10k? If it's legit through inheritance/bookies winnings/car sale/gift there's a process to be followed and/or a paper trail.

If you don't go through the proper channels, then you risk sanctions.

Baze

hfallada wrote: »

Cab has made life for criminals in Ireland extremely difficult. They can't buy a thing without showing the money came from a legitimate source. Meaning they can't buy cars it houses without they being seized. That's why most of our criminals live in Spain

You reckon.

What was the name of The Monk's Limo service again?

Oh yeah: Carry Any Body.

Smithwicks Man

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

How does a non-criminal just get €10k? If it's legit through inheritance/bookies winnings/car sale/gift there's a process to be followed and/or a paper trail.

If you don't go through the proper channels, then you risk sanctions.

My point exactly. All I said was that non-criminals can't throw big money around either without being able to show where they got it from, which they can't.

SEPT 23 1989

he buried everything and lost the treasure map

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

My point exactly. All I said was that non-criminals can't throw big money around either without being able to show where they got it from, which they can't.

Sorry dude, I meant to quote the other fella!

Smithwicks Man

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

Sorry dude, I meant to quote the other fella!

No worries. Was getting the feeling everyone was against me on that :pac:

I Heart Internet

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Fairly sure non-criminals can't just buy cars and houses without being able to show where they got the money from either.

Of course they can, people do it every day.

If you "come to the notice of Gardai", primarily for being a scumbag, then people start asking questions.

joeguevara

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Of course they can, people do it every day.

If you "come to the notice of Gardai", primarily for being a scumbag, then people start asking questions.

If you buy a car in cash for over 10k, under the Criminal Justice Act (Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing) Act 2010 (as amended), they (Car dealership) will ask for Id and Verification of ID as well as proof of source of funds. Its the same if you are buying a house in cash (solicitor or Estate agent will ask). Doesn't matter if you are a criminal or not.

BillyMitchel

joeguevara wrote: »

If you buy a car in cash for over 10k, under the Criminal Justice Act (Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing) Act 2010 (as amended), they (Car dealership) will ask for Id and Verification of ID as well as proof of source of funds. Its the same if you are buying a house in cash (solicitor or Estate agent will ask). Doesn't matter if you are a criminal or not.

That maybe the law but what about Dave down the road, his business is in meltdown. Would he ask for ID and would he refuse 15k for that Merc if someone didn't have a paper trail?

Getting rid of cash these days is a lot harder but its not impossible.

GenieOz

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I'd imagine if somebody went and bought a house in full then there'd be a strong chance of questions being asked?

Sure you can't even walk into most banks with 10 grand and deposit it without explaining where you got it from.

I deposited 15k into my bank account before and not a single question was asked of it

Rented Mule

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

How does a non-criminal just get €10k? If it's legit through inheritance/bookies winnings/car sale/gift there's a process to be followed and/or a paper trail.

If you don't go through the proper channels, then you risk sanctions.

Don't tell Bertie Ahern that.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I thought I read somewhere since Gillian's shooting that he wasn't in receipt of welfare/dole.

Any money he had stashed away would have been in punts so it's basically useless as it'd be seized if he attempted to change any large sums of it.

It would be very fitting if he were to be left destitute and penniless begging for handouts but it's unlikely to happen.

Smithwicks Man

GenieOz wrote: »

I deposited 15k into my bank account before and not a single question was asked of it

Surprised by that tbh. Don't know anything about your situation but I suppose you'd also have to factor in yearly earnings etc. It could be grand for a Doctor/Businessman etc. to do so whereas the majority of people wouldn't keep large sums of money in their account and so it might raise a few more eyebrows.

Menas

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Surprised by that tbh. Don't know anything about your situation but I suppose you'd also have to factor in yearly earnings etc. It could be grand for a Doctor/Businessman etc. to do so whereas the majority of people wouldn't keep large sums of money in their account and so it might raise a few more eyebrows.

Same goes for me, have sold a few cars over the years, always for cash and never a problem lodging it. Max 10k in my case though.
The one time I did feel nervous was when lodging 6k racetrack winnings....but no questions asked.

goose2005

People leaving prison:

Income
You may qualify for a social welfare payment if you are unemployed or unable to work. You should go to your local social welfare office for further information.

Social welfare payments that may be available to you include Jobseeker's Allowance (formerly Unemployment Assistance), Disability Allowance or Supplementary Welfare Allowance. The Supplementary Welfare Allowance scheme may also help you with certain once off or urgent costs - for example, if you need help to get furniture.

Depending on the number of social insurance contributions you have and the length of time you spent in prison, you may qualify for Jobseeker's Benefit (formerly Unemployment Benefit) or Illness Benefit (formerly Disability Benefit).

So most likely he is. Rabble rabble all prisoners should be released on the Curragh and forced to construct their own shelter and gather their own food for a year before being admitted to society

mfergus

GenieOz wrote: »

I deposited 15k into my bank account before and not a single question was asked of it

They probably had your Id on file since you opened the account!

Gatling

He will most likely get disability allowence now ,
Sure he has a council house in Blanchardstown that he used as his main address for al his trials

Jumboman

hfallada wrote: »

Cab has made life for criminals in Ireland extremely difficult. They can't buy a thing without showing the money came from a legitimate source. Meaning they can't buy cars it houses without they being seized. That's why most of our criminals live in Spain

I think CAB is just PR for the government so they can pretend they are doing something to stop street level criminals.

There is nothing in law to stop the likes of Gilligan from renting a mansion or a rolls royce.

Also I doubt CAB can lay a finger on high level criminals who are able to hire the best accountants to make it look they are above board.

Gilligan is the only Mr Big that CAB have bought down. The new Mr Bigs are smart enough not to get caught out by CAB and why would they be ? money laundering is not rocket science.

DEFTLEFTHAND

A lot of these guys seem to square away cash but from reports it seems like Gilligan didn't and he's stone cold broke, that's surprising to me considering that Gilligan like Hutch was considered to have a certain savvy, ie not just a brain dead thug.

I betcha Christy Kinahan is laughing his ass off from his Spanish villa.

Stavros Murphy

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I'd imagine if somebody went and bought a house in full then there'd be a strong chance of questions being asked?

Sure you can't even walk into most banks with 10 grand and deposit it without explaining where you got it from.

You're right. There's people(non "criminals) that were dodging tax and now can't move with the money, can't buy houses etc. Good enough too, if you ask me. Also, many of the criminals that I know seem to cycle from boom to broke very rapidly, then back to boom again. Easy come, easy go. Most are not quite as flush as they like to let on either.

harry Bailey esq

much as i hate the weasel,he is entitled to the dole but i wouldn't reckon he's signing on...

Jumboman

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A lot of these guys seem to square away cash but from reports it seems like Gilligan didn't and he's stone cold broke, that's surprising to me considering that Gilligan like Hutch was considered to have a certain savvy, ie not just a brain dead thug.

I betcha Christy Kinahan is laughing his ass off from his Spanish villa.

I don't think hes broke just before christmas he was going around in a bulletproof BMW. Granted he didnt own the car but that cant have been cheap to rent.



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/terrified-john-gilligan-rents-bulletproof-4x4-29827717.html

finix

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

he buried everything and lost the treasure map

It was all in punts ! He went in prior to Euro. Only damp paper now

harry Bailey esq

finix wrote: »

It was all in punts ! He went in prior to Euro. Only damp paper now

no its not.His accounts would automatically convert into euro. its just a matter of cab getting it. i reckon he has millions hidden away.

finix

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

no its not.His accounts would automatically convert into euro. its just a matter of cab getting it. i reckon he has millions hidden away.

Not worth a dime if its in Punts buried near the oak tree:) PS and its Damp !

Hootanany

Been spotted in Birmingham?

finix

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

no its not.His accounts would automatically convert into euro. its just a matter of cab getting it. i reckon he has millions hidden away.

I was talking about money hidden in black bags in the ground, Damp ground, Not a Bank !

Stavros Murphy

Hootanany wrote: »

Been spotted in Birmingham?

No, never. I always use the by-pass. Dreadful place.

harry Bailey esq

finix wrote: »

Not worth a dime if its in Punts buried near the oak tree:) PS and its Damp !

but dry as a bone in jersey or the caymans. The media make him out to a be a numbskull,but it takes a bit of brainwork to organise importation on such a vast scale.so he's smarter than he gets credit for.i reckon he has a fair wedge tucked away

Arthur Beesley

finix wrote: »

Not worth a dime if its in Punts buried near the oak tree:) PS and its Damp !

Did 'The Badger' piss on it?

harry Bailey esq

finix wrote: »

I was talking about money hidden in black bags in the ground, Damp ground, Not a Bank !

only an idiot would hide dirty money in the ground.

J_E

Jumboman wrote: »

I think CAB is just PR for the government so they can pretend they are doing something to stop street level criminals.

Well, that displays your terrific ignorance of CAB's work. Do you actually know anything about them at all? They're far more organised than you'd like to think.

sopretty

Gatling wrote: »

He will most likely get disability allowence now ,
Sure he has a council house in Blanchardstown that he used as his main address for al his trials

Wouldn't his address have been 'Portlaoise Prison'?

BillyMitchel

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

only an idiot would hide dirty money in the ground.

Washing machine be best?!

maguic24

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

he buried everything and lost the treasure map

Even if he did bury his money, would it not have been in pounds rather than euros?

Awkward going to the bank with a huge sum of money in pounds after this length of time.....

What's your name?
John Gilligan

And you have 50,000 old Irish punts that you want changed to euros.......ehhhh......

WilyCoyote

Hootanany wrote: »

Been spotted in Birmingham?

Eating in an Italian joint. I think it's called Spaghetti Junction.

Jumboman

Cydoniac wrote: »

Well, that displays your terrific ignorance of CAB's work. Do you actually know anything about them at all? They're far more organised than you'd like to think.

O yeah CAB has been a great success in stopping organised crime in Ireland:rolleyes:

Its alll BS why hasn't CAB gone after any of the white collar gangsters ie the bankers ? because they are too close to the establishment thats why.

Amirani

Jumboman wrote: »

O yeah CAB has been a great success in stopping organised crime in Ireland:rolleyes:

Its alll BS why hasn't CAB gone after any of the white collar gangsters ie the bankers ? because they are too close to the establishment thats why.

On what basis? What successful prosecutions have been made?

goose2005

finix wrote: »

Not worth a dime if its in Punts buried near the oak tree:) PS and its Damp !

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No, John was clever and had in all in sterling. Hard currency, you know. Unfortunately it was all Northern Bank notes :pac:

fundi

maguic24 wrote: »

Even if he did bury his money, would it not have been in pounds rather than euros?

Awkward going to the bank with a huge sum of money in pounds after this length of time.....

What's your name?
John Gilligan

And you have 50,000 old Irish punts that you want changed to euros.......ehhhh......

maybe he could say he won it on the horses or a few mates had a dig out in manchester and thats all they found on the dig out?

J_E

Jumboman wrote: »

O yeah CAB has been a great success in stopping organised crime in Ireland:rolleyes:

Its alll BS why hasn't CAB gone after any of the white collar gangsters ie the bankers ? because they are too close to the establishment thats why.

How do you know this? You have to understand a lot of their work is not public. Unlike you, I actually know someone inside, while they're not allowed to tell me most of what they do, they are pretty effective as a group, surprisingly so for Ireland. Let the newspaper be your guide though, wouldn't want facts to get in the way.

Jumboman

Cydoniac wrote: »

How do you know this? You have to understand a lot of their work is not public. Unlike you, I actually know someone inside, while they're not allowed to tell me most of what they do, they are pretty effective as a group, surprisingly so for Ireland. Let the newspaper be your guide though, wouldn't want facts to get in the way.

If CAB had bought down any other major gangsters such as gilligan we would of heard about it.

I happen to know well off criminals in my area who have not been touched by CAB. Everyone in the area knows what they are up to yet CAB does not:rolleyes: