Cost Paint the 3 bedrooms of a 3 bed Semi D

Delboy007

Hi all

I'm looking for a guestimate on getting the 3 bedrooms of a 3 bed Semi D house. There is a Box room and two double room. When hire a painter to do this do they supply the paint too?

The wall are already a dark enough colour so would need a white coat 1st and then the colour I would like, I would say, but then I am not a painter

fussyonion

Delboy007 wrote: »

Hi all

I'm looking for a guestimate on getting the 3 bedrooms of a 3 bed Semi D house. There is a Box room and two double room. When hire a painter to do this do they supply the paint too?

The wall are already a dark enough colour so would need a white coat 1st and then the colour I would like, I would say, but then I am not a painter

You'd need two coats of white first and then your colour.
The painter can supply the paint if you wish.
The price would depend on whether you want the painter to supply the paint or not.
Let me know.

Arciphel

Expect to be quoted anything between €400 and €2,200. And I say that from experience! Then in the end, buy the paint and do it yourself!

yop

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michael999999

About 400. Labour only

fussyonion

michael999999 wrote: »

About 400. Labour only

And the rest!

Carpenter

fussyonion wrote: »

And the rest!

+1

Is 400 a joke

michael999999

Carpenter wrote: »

+1

Is 400 a joke

If it takes a painter longer than two days to do this job, he's in the wrong trade!

Carpenter

I am afraid I cannot agree if a painter can prep all walls and paint them in 2 days he must be on kryptonite IMO
Or maybe I am to picky when it comes to finishing .

househero

We cleared 2 rooms and a 2 storey hall, removed skirting and door frames. Painted walls and ceiling (and some of the floor too haha, easy enough to remove off tiles) 2 people, 3 days, 2 coats. Zero labour cost. Its not plastering, you can do it if you invest a few quid in a couple of brushes and 2 rollers. If your weekend is worth more than 500 euro than pay somebody else to do it.

Where abouts are you based Delboy?

oisinbutler

Carpenter wrote: »

I am afraid I cannot agree if a painter can prep all walls and paint them in 2 days he must be on kryptonite IMO
Or maybe I am to picky when it comes to finishing .

I'm on kryptonite so! If you hire a professional painter he/she should get it finished in 2 days. The only things that could really hold up the job is slow paint drying times due to cold walls or high humidity and having to move around a lot of furniture. If theres a lot of prep to be done then this could slow the job down a bit too.
If the rooms are clear or everything has been moved to the middle of the room so all the painter needs to do is prep and paint and the heating is on then they should get it done in 2 working days.

Delboy007

fussyonion wrote: »

You'd need two coats of white first and then your colour.
The painter can supply the paint if you wish.
The price would depend on whether you want the painter to supply the paint or not.
Let me know.

Hi

Thanks for the replay, I would like the painter to supply the paint

Delboy007

househero wrote: »

We cleared 2 rooms and a 2 storey hall, removed skirting and door frames. Painted walls and ceiling (and some of the floor too haha, easy enough to remove off tiles) 2 people, 3 days, 2 coats. Zero labour cost. Its not plastering, you can do it if you invest a few quid in a couple of brushes and 2 rollers. If your weekend is worth more than 500 euro than pay somebody else to do it.

Where abouts are you based Delboy?

I am in Castelknock, dublin, yea i was thinking of doing it myslef, €500 is mad money

oisinbutler

Delboy007 wrote: »

I am in Castelknock, dublin, yea i was thinking of doing it myslef, €500 is mad money

€500 is mad money? To pay a professional painter to paint 3 rooms to a high standard in a couple of days for €500 including materials versus doing it yourself? I know a mid level banker that took a week off work to paint his house instead of paying a professional and at the end of it the house wasn't finished, looked like it had been painted by a novice and he'd used up a weeks holidays. Thats madness to me.
By all means do it yourself over a couple of weekends if things are tight and/or you are confident you can do a good job or a job that you will be happy with but please consider the reason you would use the services of a professional painter is for the best finish in the shortest time frame leaving you to get on with other things.

fussyonion

oisinbutler wrote: »

€500 is mad money? To pay a professional painter to paint 3 rooms to a high standard in a couple of days for €500 including materials versus doing it yourself? I know a mid level banker that took a week off work to paint his house instead of paying a professional and at the end of it the house wasn't finished, looked like it had been painted by a novice and he'd used up a weeks holidays. Thats madness to me.
By all means do it yourself over a couple of weekends if things are tight and/or you are confident you can do a good job or a job that you will be happy with but please consider the reason you would use the services of a professional painter is for the best finish in the shortest time frame leaving you to get on with other things.

+++1
It always amazes me when people think painters are expensive ""for a few days work"".

Have you actually seen the amount of work that goes into painting a room?
It's not just walls; it's prep-sanding down, prepping skirting boards, smoothing out, giving everything a coat (skirting board, walls, window ledges, ceiling), then letting that dry..doing doors (most people get doors done at the same time), then going over the whole thing, not to mention filling in and other bits of prep.

It's not just a matter of opening a tin and sticking a paintbrush in.
€500 is not madness.

I would rather a professional painter did the work because I know it'll last and it's done properly.
But if you want to go ahead and do it yourself, OP, nothing stopping you.

Delboy007

Hi

Sorry i think i have made people mad, i dont think they got that i was trying to be funny saying that €500 is mad money.

I would not try and paint myslef as i know my wife would never be happy with the way it looks.

So were do i find this painter that will do it for €500 as that is a good price.

Carpenter

Delboy007 wrote: »

Hi

Sorry i think i have made people mad, i dont think they got that i was trying to be funny saying that €500 is mad money.

I would not try and paint myslef as i know my wife would never be happy with the way it looks.

So were do i find this painter that will do it for €500 as that is a good price.

No body is mad if you can get a good painter to do it for 500 by all means go with it because 500 is a great price

Delboy007

Hi

Thanks for you your help on this, i have one last quesation, one of the room i what to paint is my daughters room, she is 4 months old, how many days after the room is painted could we put her back in the room?

michael999999

Delboy007 wrote: »

Hi

Thanks for you your help on this, i have one last quesation, one of the room i what to paint is my daughters room, she is 4 months old, how many days after the room is painted could we put her back in the room?

Minimum a week if it was me. That's with the windows open the majority of the time.

DublinDIYguy

fussyonion wrote: »

You'd need two coats of white first and then your colour.
The painter can supply the paint if you wish.
The price would depend on whether you want the painter to supply the paint or not.
Let me know.

Giving it 2 coats of white before using the colour is a waste of time and paint.
If the walls are dark it sometimes makes sense to give 1 coat of white first but never 2.

fussyonion

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

Giving it 2 coats of white before using the colour is a waste of time and paint.
If the walls are dark it sometimes makes sense to give 1 coat of white first but never 2.

Getting my info from a man with 45 years experience as a painter & decorator.
OP said walls were dark.

DublinDIYguy

fussyonion wrote: »

Getting my info from a man with 45 years experience as a painter & decorator.
OP said walls were dark.

He's wasted a lot of time and paint in those 45 years. Whatever colour he chooses will need a minimum of 2 coats either way. A 2nd coat of white wont help in any way..

fussyonion

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

He's wasted a lot of time and paint in those 45 years. Whatever colour he chooses will need a minimum of 2 coats either way. A 2nd coat of white wont help in any way..

Have a bit of respect. I never said he used two coats of paint for every colour..I asked him his opinion because the OP asked a question and I relayed the info from my Uncle to the OP.

I'm not going to argue with his advice.
Let's see your credentials if you're going to be smart.
I'm only passing on advice.

whupdedo

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

He's wasted a lot of time and paint in those 45 years. Whatever colour he chooses will need a minimum of 2 coats either way. A 2nd coat of white wont help in any way..

Light coloured paint more expensive usually, so 2 coats of light paint is cheaper rather than using the more expensive colour. You are wrong and the guy with 45 years experience is right .

michael999999

fussyonion wrote: »

Have a bit of respect. I never said he used two coats of paint for every colour..I asked him his opinion because the OP asked a question and I relayed the info from my Uncle to the OP.

I'm not going to argue with his advice.
Let's see your credentials if you're going to be smart.
I'm only passing on advice.

I have to agree with your uncle.

If I'm painting a room that has previously been painted dark red, I'll usually give it two coats of white Matt to blot out the red, Before giving it a couple of coats of the finish colour.

Matt has better opacity than the soft sheen, that is used for the final coats.

DublinDIYguy

fussyonion wrote: »

Have a bit of respect. I never said he used two coats of paint for every colour..I asked him his opinion because the OP asked a question and I relayed the info from my Uncle to the OP.

I'm not going to argue with his advice.
Let's see your credentials if you're going to be smart.
I'm only passing on advice.

I've seen you pass on bad advice from your uncle before and argue with a few other painters who told you your uncle was wrong.
Just because he's older than me doesn't mean he knows more about painting. I'm painting nearly 20 years and have never painted over a dark colour twice with white before using the chosen colour. The painters I learnt my trade from are as old as your uncle and have never done what you're suggesting.
You're suggesting the OP paints the wall twice with white paint and twice with his chosen colour. Total of 4 coats.
I'm telling you the only time you'd need to use 4 coats on a wall is if you're using a very deep colour (deep reds, oranges, some yellows) in these cases it requires extra coats of that colour not of white.
Covering deep or dark colours can sometimes take an extra coat which could be a coat of white first but never 2.
I could change a black wall to magnolia with 1 white and 2 magnolia.
If i gave that same wall 2 coats of white it would still require 2 coats of mag and look the exact same..
I'd suggest you should refrain from passing on other peoples advice and only advise from your own experience. Just cos your uncle has 45 years experience doesn't mean he's right about everything to do with paint. Most of his years experience were built up during times when the paint was totally different to now. Maybe 40 years ago the white paint was so **** it only had 50% opacity compared to now and his advice is dated.
And I don't show extra respect to people because of their age, wether he's 30 or 60 he's giving you bad advice to pass on.

DublinDIYguy

whupdedo wrote: »

Light coloured paint more expensive usually, so 2 coats of light paint is cheaper rather than using the more expensive colour. You are wrong and the guy with 45 years experience is right .

Your post makes no sense.
You can paint the wall white 6 times if you like. It'll still require a minimum of 2 coats of the finish paint.

cardwizzard

OP, what colour are the walls now and what colour do you intend to use in the future? Also do you know what finish is currently on the walls? Matt, softsheen, silk etc. These are two important factors.

As for applying white first, sometimes its worthwhile. If your doing the ceiling white, it can be a good idea to hit the walls with a coat of white at this stage, to save wall colour paint and usually a few bob.
Its important to remember that paint doesn't know what colour it is. I say this as sometimes it quicker to apply 3 coats of the same colour to the walls than involve a colour change, ( from white to the colour you choose ).

Generally speaking the better quality of paint that you use, the less coats it takes to do the job. Paint with higher levels of titanium dioxide cover better. But that's not to say all expensive paint are better, far from it. Personally I think F&B is the biggest marketing scam in paint, but that topic could have its own thread:-)

As for price, it depends on your expectations, level of prep needed, products used and the company involved.

padjo5

Interesting discussion.
If it took 2 days for 1 painter to do 2 rooms would they hope to get €500 for their efforts? (excluding paint)

Which leads me to ask, what would an experienced painter hope to get for a days labour?

michael999999

padjo5 wrote: »

Interesting discussion.
If it took 2 days for 1 painter to do 2 rooms would they hope to get €500 for their efforts? (excluding paint)

Which leads me to ask, what would an experienced painter hope to get for a days labour?

Experienced or qualified?

padjo5

michael999999 wrote: »

Experienced or qualified?

Assuming both, what is expected day rate?

oisinbutler

padjo5 wrote: »

Assuming both, what is expected day rate?

A qualified and experienced painter & decorator, using his own tools, fully insured and vat registered will cost more than an unskilled ameatuer.

michael999999

padjo5 wrote: »

Assuming both, what is expected day rate?

About 180 a day!

padjo5

michael999999 wrote: »

About 180 a day!

Thanks. That to me seems like a fairly high price for a days labour, accepting of course that it is a skilled trade just as carpentry etc is.

michael999999

padjo5 wrote: »

Thanks. That to me seems like a fairly high price for a days labour, accepting of course that it is a skilled trade just as carpentry etc is.

Really, when a man has to pay tax and insurance out of it?

I won't have a workman up and down a ladder on my property without insurance. I don't fancy getting sued!

Or you can have paddy cash working for you with no come back on ****e work!

cardwizzard

padjo5 wrote: »

Thanks. That to me seems like a fairly high price for a days labour, accepting of course that it is a skilled trade just as carpentry etc is.

Its a funny one, a days labour. A lot of painting companies are small one or two man bands.

Ive seen myself, do more in 5 hrs than others do in 8. Some lads come in late at 8.30, have a cuppa, have to have a chat, use the toilet 3 times a day,45 mins for lunch and 30mins at 10 o'clock. Always running to the van for this or that, down to the paint shop for something they forgot, on the phone steady. Of course looking at the watch, dying for 4.30 when they can leg it. Just doing enough to cover themselves and stumble on.

My point is, and I've gone the long way about, is about production rates. X a day for 1 man might seem expensive, it really depends what you get out of him that counts.

DOCARCH

padjo5 wrote: »

Thanks. That to me seems like a fairly high price for a days labour, accepting of course that it is a skilled trade just as carpentry etc is.

If somebody is paying overheads, insurances and all their taxes, VAT, etc., etc...it's not a lot (out of E180...mybe E90 of that is going into their pocket).

DublinDIYguy

michael999999 wrote: »

I have to agree with your uncle.

If I'm painting a room that has previously been painted dark red, I'll usually give it two coats of white Matt to blot out the red, Before giving it a couple of coats of the finish colour.

Matt has better opacity than the soft sheen, that is used for the final coats.

There was no mention of soft sheen, matt is a far more popular finish for walls in general, especially in bedrooms.
So if you agree with the uncle, that means if you were pricing this job of 3 bedrooms that has a dark colour on the walls (no mention of deep red) and we'll say they want magnolia, you would tell the customer it'll require 4 coats on the walls?. 2 white and 2 mag..
How much extra would you charge for the 4th (uneccessary) coat of paint?, afterall it'll take a few hours to coat the 3 rooms plus an extra 5l or so of paint.

michael999999

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

There was no mention of soft sheen, matt is a far more popular finish for walls in general, especially in bedrooms.
So if you agree with the uncle, that means if you were pricing this job of 3 bedrooms that has a dark colour on the walls (no mention of deep red) and we'll say they want magnolia, you would tell the customer it'll require 4 coats on the walls?. 2 white and 2 mag..
How much extra would you charge for the 4th (uneccessary) coat of paint?, afterall it'll take a few hours to coat the 3 rooms plus an extra 5l or so of paint.

Slow down and read my post again.

I am giving an example of what I would generally do on jobs. Its impossible to tell without seeing the rooms, what colours are currently on them or what colours they want them changed to how many coats any particular wall will need.

They also didn't state whether they wanted matt or sheen. So I'll say again, I was giving a general example of the process!

DublinDIYguy

michael999999 wrote: »

Slow down and read my post again.

I am giving an example of what I would generally do on jobs. Its impossible to tell without seeing the rooms, what colours are currently on them or what colours they want them changed to how many coats any particular wall will need.

They also didn't state whether they wanted matt or sheen. So I'll say again, I was giving a general example of the process!

I understand you mentioned occasionally giving 2 coats of white to kill a deep red (I still think 1 would suffice unless you're using a low opacity white like crown for example). But the part I'm questioning you on is where you agree with that guys uncle who stated the OP will need to paint his walls white twice before using his chosen colour.
My point is that that is bad advice. The 2nd coat of white would be a waste of time and paint.
I think advice should only be given from ppl who know what they're talking about not someone who's wife's Aunty once went out with a painter..

DublinDIYguy

cardwizzard wrote: »

OP, what colour are the walls now and what colour do you intend to use in the future? Also do you know what finish is currently on the walls? Matt, softsheen, silk etc. These are two important factors.

As for applying white first, sometimes its worthwhile. If your doing the ceiling white, it can be a good idea to hit the walls with a coat of white at this stage, to save wall colour paint and usually a few bob.
Its important to remember that paint doesn't know what colour it is. I say this as sometimes it quicker to apply 3 coats of the same colour to the walls than involve a colour change, ( from white to the colour you choose ).

Generally speaking the better quality of paint that you use, the less coats it takes to do the job. Paint with higher levels of titanium dioxide cover better. But that's not to say all expensive paint are better, far from it. Personally I think F&B is the biggest marketing scam in paint, but that topic could have its own thread:-)

As for price, it depends on your expectations, level of prep needed, products used and the company involved.

I'd be interested in the F&B thread, or one on paint brands in general.
Regarding F&B, I think their paints are ok, their waterbased satin and eggshell is better than most on the market.
Their emulsion is prob below average.
And their prices are way, way too high. But if it sells at them prices why change?
Their colour cards are very good and I think that's what brings a high volume of their customers..

michael999999

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

I understand you mentioned occasionally giving 2 coats of white to kill a deep red (I still think 1 would suffice unless you're using a low opacity white like crown for example). But the part I'm questioning you on is where you agree with that guys uncle who stated the OP will need to paint his walls white twice before using his chosen colour.
My point is that that is bad advice. The 2nd coat of white would be a waste of time and paint.
I think advice should only be given from ppl who know what they're talking about not someone who's wife's Aunty once went out with a painter..

Ya I'm 17 years qualified.

Excuse me if I don't take as gospel advise from a diy guy!

Carpenter

The funny thing is anyone can try there hand at any trade BUT try mastering it and its a total different ball game .
What 1 man thinks is a good way of doing something another might think is not .

If you have time have a look @ this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057124971 the video @ the end is pure class .

December2012

My tuppence:

I've a 3 bed house.

Over the years I've painted the rooms myself. I have a relative who's a qualified painter and he has done soom rooms.
Ive also had a professional painter in.

Without a doubt the best option was getting the pro in. I did a good job, but it took me a week to prep and finish each room.

The relative was doing a favour so he cut some corners but of course I wa grateful because it's a freebie!

Proper painter had bedroom painted in a day and cost between 100 to 150.

It was cheaper for him to do that than for me up take off work. His finish is better, he tidied up after the job, he had the paint for ceilings and doors.

If you can afford it get a pro - it's your walls and you'll be getting value out of it for years.

DublinDIYguy

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya I'm 17 years qualified.

Excuse me if I don't take as gospel advise from a diy guy!

Your excused, but I didn't give you any advice.
You agreed with the old guy that the OP's 3 rooms walls would need 2 coats of white before the chosen colour instead of 1 or none.
I asked you how much extra would you charge for the extra (unnecessary) coat or 2 of white.
And well done on your 17years qualified, i thought you were 9999999 years a painter and German Ya

michael999999

DublinDIYguy wrote: »

Your excused, but I didn't give you any advice.
You agreed with the old guy that the OP's 3 rooms walls would need 2 coats of white before the chosen colour instead of 1 or none.
I asked you how much extra would you charge for the extra (unnecessary) coat or 2 of white.
And well done on your 17years qualified, i thought you were 9999999 years a painter and German Ya

And your attitude is why most people will choose a professional who are courteous to deal with, and not a diyer who will throw there toys out of the pram when they are questioned about there dodgy work.

You must be very busy working if you can spend half your day trawling through my old posts.

Anyway, I'll leave you get back to watching discovery homes and gardens.

DublinDIYguy

michael999999 wrote: »

And your attitude is why most people will choose a professional who are courteous to deal with, and not a diyer who will throw there toys out of the pram when they are questioned about there dodgy work.

You must be very busy working if you can spend half your day trawling through my old posts.

Anyway, I'll leave you get back to watching discovery homes and gardens.

Just cos I'm a qualified painter doesn't mean I can't also be into diy. Or are you only able to paint.
I didn't trawl through any of your old posts. I refered to the post in this thread so don't flatter yourself.
You agreed with bad ADVICE (take note if you want to spell that correctly in future) that was given to the OP then backed down when I questioned you about it and now you're accusing me of throwing toys out of a pram because you don't have anything else to say. If you agreed having not fully understood or read the conversation that had gone before then just admit that.. But pointing your finger at me with silly remarks like the pram one and diyer while talking up your 17 years of knowledge makes me think you forgot to grow up during those 17 years

cardwizzard

The attitude of a pro is very important. Even on the Internet.

No pro painter does everything the same way, and with the way products have changed in the last four years, we are all playing catchup. Hell even the manufactures are constantly changing formulas and trying to get things right.

We must learn things everyday, no matter how long we have being doing it. Otherwise we just keep doing the same things, while the world keeps turning.

george tobin

Hi a real painter would complete that job in a day and a half at a cost of about 350 paint supplied( Dulux) of course you can do it yourself and lose that professional touch.

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george tobin

No I didn't confuse this with adverts.ie, just making sure your on the ball!

cardwizzard

george tobin wrote: »

Hi a real painter would complete that job in a day and a half at a cost of about 350 paint supplied( Dulux) of course you can do it yourself and lose that professional touch.

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How can you throw a number at something you know nothing about?

All the op says is three bedrooms. You have no idea of size, prep involved, colours/sheen or any other factors.

How much woodwork is involved, ceilings included etc. Which brand of paint they want?

May as well play bingo if you don't have all the info before you give a quote.