wheel advice

mick121

looking at new wheels budget about 350e.Whats out there and whats worth the money.Am only looking at sportives etc no racing.All advice greatly appriciated and thanks.Am thinking fulcrum but am willing to listen to plus and minus.

krissovo

Zonda's are going for 340 at the moment.

godtabh

krissovo wrote: »

Zonda's are going for 340 at the moment.

Cheaper on zedi sports

mick121

Thanks for the quick reply,where is that and would you rate them above fulcrum quattroe

mick121

did you mean jedi sports @godtab

happytramp

mick121 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick reply,where is that and would you rate them above fulcrum quattroe

Yeah above The Fulcrum Quattroe's. A fair bit lighter anyway.

GLC

Up your budget slightly and you'll get Kysrium Elites from 4thebike.de for €385 delivered! You won't regret it. The Zonda's would be my second choice.

mick121

there goes the budget:eek: he he.Am fairly new to this so all advive and websites are appriciated.

godtabh

mick121 wrote: »

did you mean jedi sports @godtab

Thars predictive text for you
But yeah. I got my set for €288 delivered

mick121

sooo zondas for 288 or ksyrium elites@385euro its a 100e difference

martin.mcevoy

Had a look on that website for the Kysrium Elites and it seems that they're not in stock atm.
Could be my dodgy German though.

mick121

yeah was having a look meself and couldnt find a way of changing language

wirelessdude01

godtabh wrote: »

Thars predictive text for you
But yeah. I got my set for €288 delivered

Did you put them on yet? Mine are still in the box. Maybe this weekend seeing as the weather seems to be changing for the better.

GLC

mick121 wrote: »

yeah was having a look meself and couldnt find a way of changing language

I used google chrome and it translated the site perfectly for me! Just had a set delivered last Monday, ordered on the Wednesday night previous.

Ryath

http://www.swimcyclerun.com/wheelsroad/campagnolo-zonda-clincher-wheelset-with-shimano-hub.html

€348 here delivered from an Irish company for the zonda. By all accounts a excellent wheel though I'm tempted to spend the bit extra on the kyrsium elite s as they're a bit lighter and I prefer the look of them.

Need new wheels myself as I've gone 11 speed was originally looking at around this budget but that is creeping up. Considering going hand built for a bit more and the farsport carbon clinchers are tempting as well though I'm put of by the crapper braking. I can't stop looking at Mavic carbone SLE and Mavic Ksyrium SLR lot more money but really seem to be best of both looks of full carbon and even better braking than normal aluminium rim's.

godtabh

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did you put them on yet? Mine are still in the box. Maybe this weekend seeing as the weather seems to be changing for the better.

Have them on about two weeks. The askiums fell apart and I wasn't bothered spending more money getting it fixed so put them on. Will be getting another rear wheel at some stage to replace the askium

ashleey

Having just got a cracked rim on my mavics and had a browse for spares (good luck with that), and authorised repairers (not great if you live in Ireland), I would go with the Fulcrums/ Campags. The quattros are lovely

kuro_man

Ryath wrote: »

http://www.swimcyclerun.com/wheelsroad/campagnolo-zonda-clincher-wheelset-with-shimano-hub.html

€348 here delivered from an Irish company for the zonda....

I got them 2 weeks ago for €321.49 delivered.
When comparing prices, watch out for the freehub. The campag one is usually cheaper.

Tenzor07

Hand-built Mavic CPX22 on Ambrosio hubs would be ideal and should come in at your budget of €350.

Ryath

kuro_man wrote: »

I got them 2 weeks ago for €321.49 delivered.
When comparing prices, watch out for the freehub. The campag one is usually cheaper.

Yea was aware of that should be the other way round when they use a cheaper heavier steel freehub for shimano but they want campy to look the better option. Did you get the shimano freehub for that price? Was debating getting zonda's with the campy hub and running a 11 speed campy cassete as it would save the extra weight the shimano hub adds. Already have an 11 speed force cassete though.

ford2600

Ryath wrote: »

Yea was aware of that should be the other way round when they use a cheaper heavier steel freehub for shimano but they wan't campy to look the better option. Did you get the shimano freehub for that price? Was debating getting zonda's with the campy hub and running a 11 speed campy cassete as it would save the extra weight the shimano hub adds. Already have an 11 speed force cassete though.

Wouldn't steel be more durable?

Ryath

It would but add's 45g to the wheel not much I suppose and it's at the place where it matters least on the wheel. I'm building from scratch though and saving that 45g in several place's around the bike add's up. It won't be as light as Astramonti's but should be under 7kg close to 6.8 if I get light enough wheels.

Edit: And before any one add's lose weight of yourself first I only weigh 65kg and will probably be around 63 in the summer.

kuro_man

I thought the new 11 speed shimano freehub was now aluminum

Ryath

kuro_man wrote: »

I thought the new 11 speed shimano freehub was now aluminum

That's possible hard to find tech specs on shimano versions of the fulcrum and campagnolo wheels. Wonder is it any lighter then?

mick121

Thanks for all the replys and info.looks like the fulcrums are out but I think the look cool.So its between the zondas and mavics ksyrium elite.Which would you get and why.

kuro_man

zonda's: better reputation for reliability (I am not saying they are, but some do), a tad lighter, cup-and-cone bearings, supposed to be more suited to rough roads (no idea if that's true), less expensive, surprisingly aero (according to Tour)

mavics: sealed bearings, comes with tyres, supposed to be stiff

In summary, buy which one you prefer the look of!

happytramp

I'd vote the Zonda's. I've got them where I used to Have Mavic Ksyrium SL's (better than elite's) I prefer them than the Mavic's. Lighter, very stiff, strong and I also like that each set comes with the details of the person who built them and the list of checks they preformed before sending them out. Also they're Italian

mick121

It appears zondas are the better choice over elites but not by much.anything more information or links to add that might help.thanks for all the help so far boardies some really great advice.

omri

Didnt check zondas but was advised to get fulcrums over mavics after chat with Darragh from bee cycles. Any idea which fulcrums budget €350 but could stretch to €450.

Eamonnator

omri wrote: »

Didnt check zondas but was advised to get fulcrums over mavics after chat with Darragh from bee cycles. Any idea which fulcrums budget €350 but could stretch to €450.

Campagnolo Zondas are identical to Fulcrum Racing 3s.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Eamonnator wrote: »

Campagnolo Zondas are identical to Fulcrum Racing 3s.

They're not identical but similar. The 3's have a slightly different spoke design on the rear wheel.

letape

CJC999 wrote: »

They're not identical but similar. The 3's have a slightly different spoke design on the rear wheel.

I have had both Zondas and fulcrum 3s. While they had the same stated weight of 1,550, the Zondas come in 80 grams lower than that and the Fulcrums were a fair bit over their stated weight.

In fact I have had two sets of Zondas and both were lower than their stated weight which is very unusual for Campagnolo.

omri

But Zondas wont take shimano cassette, correct?

letape

omri wrote: »

But Zondas wont take shimano cassette, correct?

They do. You have an option to select either a Shimano / SRAM or a Campagnolo compatible freehub.

This is the same with all Campagnolo and Fulcrum wheels - the actual Fulcrum and Campagnolo freehubs are the same parts.

Freehubs are also inexpensive to buy later if you need to change it.

omri

letape wrote: »

They do. You have an option to select either a Shimano / SRAM or a Campagnolo compatible freehub.

This is the same with all Campagnolo and Fulcrum wheels - the actual Fulcrum and Campagnolo freehubs are the same parts.

Freehubs are also inexpensive to buy later if you need to change it.

So apart from weight and price the only other factor when chosing between these two is their look (and reaction of the crowd to mixing two brands together)?

I take the quality must be the same, are there any pros/cons in warranty, replacements etc.?

At this point Im leaning towards zondas - pricewise.

letape

Personally I can't see any reason to go for fulcrum 3s over Zondas. Warranty, build quality etc will be the same as they come from the same factory and are made using the same parts (rims, hubs, axles, bearings, freehubs and spokes).

I prefer the Zonda spoke configuration too.

As you say though, some may prefer to go with Fulcrum wheels if using Shimano or SRAM.

New2bike

2012 Zonda on Jedi Sports only €260 worth a punt??

omri

New2bike wrote: »

2012 Zonda on Jedi Sports only €260 worth a punt??

New are & €329 plus €15 p&p..

happytramp

Go with whichever you like the look of. Zonda's if you've got Campagnolo, Fulcrum 3's if you've got Shimano/SRAM but that's just a case of matching wheels top groupset.

mick121

happytramp wrote: »

Go with whichever you like the look of. Zonda's if you've got Campagnolo, Fulcrum 3's if you've got Shimano/SRAM but that's just a case of matching wheels top groupset.

I prefer the look of the fulcrum but the general consensus seems to be the zondas are better

omri

Are the Shimano Ultegra 6800 factory wheels any good comparing to zondas/fulcrums/mavics? €282 shipped on ribble with todays discount.

ashleey

omri wrote: »

Are the Shimano Ultegra 6800 factory wheels any good comparing to zondas/fulcrums/mavics? €282 shipped on ribble with todays discount.

I think the Ultegra wheels are heavier. Shimano wheels are reliable but sometimes spare spokes are tricky to source if you snap one. Watch out for low spoke counts and bear in mind that when wheels have a rider weight limit that generally includes the bike too.

If you are tall you can easily get near the weight limit which doesn't mean that the wheels will explode but it does mean brake rub, unless you are arrow straight when you get out of the saddle to go up the steep stuff.

My Mavic Ksyriums are going in for repair and I bought Fulcrum Racing Quattros with 25mm gp 4000s tyres in the meantime. I really like them (looks, sound, smoothness, stiffness) so would vote for Campag/ Fulcrum.

If my Mavics cost too much to repair then I will buy Zondas to replace (and risk breaking the 'rules').

omri

Are quattros just higher profile ?

ashleey

Quattros are higher profile than Racing 3s and so are heavier but are, in my mind, really good value. If you prefer lighter, go Racing 3/Zonda but they cost more.

omri

ashleey wrote: »

I think the Ultegra wheels are heavier. Shimano wheels are reliable but sometimes spare spokes are tricky to source if you snap one. Watch out for low spoke counts and bear in mind that when wheels have a rider weight limit that generally includes the bike too.

If you are tall you can easily get near the weight limit which doesn't mean that the wheels will explode but it does mean brake rub, unless you are arrow straight when you get out of the saddle to go up the steep stuff.

My Mavic Ksyriums are going in for repair and I bought Fulcrum Racing Quattros with 25mm gp 4000s tyres in the meantime. I really like them (looks, sound, smoothness, stiffness) so would vote for Campag/ Fulcrum.

If my Mavics cost too much to repair then I will buy Zondas to replace (and risk breaking the 'rules').

Yeah I'm 6'4" and about 92kg. Will read up the weight specs.

ashleey

I'm the same height and have got fed up with brake rub! I definitely need to work on climbing style.

The difference in weight between the ksyrium elites and racing quattros is about 200g. The racing quattros are about 230 euro and the elites 400, at best. I've had three years out of my elites and the rear rim is cracked and the front is out of true and I'm 83kg.

ashleey

Just to say, that with discount the ultegra wheels look great value and the Mavics have coped well with some rough roads (descent of f the cut springs to mind)

omri

Did brake rub happen on the mavics tho ? Or on your new fulcrums quattro? Weight diff between fulcrums r3 and quattros is about the same 200g - I don't think it will matter at all in my case anyway.

ashleey

No brake rub on the quattros so far. I think over time and use the mavics got more flexible as they were fine at first. I'm similarly torn: if the mavics cost too much to repair, do I buy a new set so that the old set are spare parts; or do i ditch them and get fulcrum racing 3s for about the same price?

mick121

letape wrote: »

I have had both Zondas and fulcrum 3s. While they had the same stated weight of 1,550, the Zondas come in 80 grams lower than that and the Fulcrums were a fair bit over their stated weight.

In fact I have had two sets of Zondas and both were lower than their stated weight which is very unusual for Campagnolo.

so would you rate the zondas above the fulcrums and have you any experiance with the quattroes?

mick121

letape wrote: »

Personally I can't see any reason to go for fulcrum 3s over Zondas. Warranty, build quality etc will be the same as they come from the same factory and are made using the same parts (rims, hubs, axles, bearings, freehubs and spokes).

I prefer the Zonda spoke configuration too.

As you say though, some may prefer to go with Fulcrum wheels if using Shimano or SRAM.

what about quattroes over zondas?