NCT on Import

stargazer 68

Morning!

I bought a UK import recently (from a dealer) - it has been registered in my name, licence plate changed and I have it taxed and insured. However I do not have an NCT disc as, as far as I am aware, it is covered under the UK MOT until the end of the year or so.

Just wary of getting stopped -should I have something? Will I be contacted when its due for the NCT the way I was with my old car?

Cheers!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Dovies wrote: »

Morning!

I bought a UK import recently (from a dealer) - it has been registered in my name, licence plate changed and I have it taxed and insured. However I do not have an NCT disc as, as far as I am aware, it is covered under the UK MOT until the end of the year or so.

Just wary of getting stopped -should I have something? Will I be contacted when its due for the NCT the way I was with my old car?

Cheers!

This is irrelevant I'm afraid
NCT due on import - if 4years or older.

CiniO

If your car is over 4 years old it became due Nct on date you paid your vrt.
UK MOT is not accepted in Ireland. Thats against EU law, but thats how it is

Cleveland Hot Pocket

CiniO wrote: »

If your car is over 4 years old it became due Nct on date you paid your vrt.
UK MOT is not accepted in Ireland. Thats against EU law, but thats how it is

Really, no it isn't.

stargazer 68

CiniO wrote: »

If your car is over 4 years old it became due Nct on date you paid your vrt.
UK MOT is not accepted in Ireland. Thats against EU law, but thats how it is

Its not over 4 years old.

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Really, no it isn't.

It is. Once vehicle holds valid test certificate and is imported and registered in other EU state it should be awarded valid test certificate in new country with the same validity period as cerificate from country of origi was valid for. Thats how it works among most EU countries. Those who dont respect it (like Ireland) are breaking EU law

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Dovies wrote: »

Its not over 4 years old.

Well then an NCT is not required
NCT will be due when the car is 4years old, on the anniversary of the import day.

testicle

CiniO wrote: »

It is. Once vehicle holds valid test certificate and is imported and registered in other EU state it should be awarded valid test certificate in new country with the same validity period as cerificate from country of origi was valid for. Thats how it works among most EU countries. Those who dont respect it (like Ireland) are breaking EU law

Go on then. What EU law are they breaking?

stargazer 68

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Well then an NCT is not required
NCT will be due when the car is 4years old, on the anniversary of the import day.

Which is what I was told however I have nothing displayed on the car - if I get stopped for not displaying the NCT disc

Cleveland Hot Pocket

testicle wrote: »

Go on then. What EU law are they breaking?

None - the usual anti Irish brigade from that poster.
Disregard

Dovies wrote: »

Which is what I was told however I have nothing displayed on the car - if I get stopped for not displaying the NCT disc

You don't need anything in the window till the car is legally required to have an NCT

CiniO

Dovies wrote: »

Its not over 4 years old.

Then your car is not due Nct. It will become due on 4th anniversary of first registration. Most likely you won't receiv any letter so you will need to remeber yourself.
Hence you can do first NCT up to 6 months in advancepso if car is 3.5 yo you can already do it.
Your uk mot is not valid here

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Dovies wrote: »

Which is what I was told however I have nothing displayed on the car - if I get stopped for not displaying the NCT disc

nothing will happen... look at all those shiny 2012 cars driving around with no nct disc and their doing just fine without it

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Well then an NCT is not required
NCT will be due when the car is 4years old, on the anniversary of the import day.

Thats incorrect. nct becomes due on 4th anniversary of first registration in countryof origin. Not on anniversary of Iimport date

CiniO

testicle wrote: »

Go on then. What EU law are they breaking?

Im not sure. Id have to look up. I might in the evening. For the moment all I can tell you is that there was good few other countries doing the same (not accepting test certs on imported cars) and they were forced by Eu court of justice to change regulations, which clearly proves it was against EU law.
I'LL try to link appropriate law later

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

None - the usual anti Irish brigade from that poster.
Disregard

Disregard yourself.
Fact that I'm pointing out an example where irish law is against eu law, doest mean I'm anti Irish. Im not telling anyone to disregard your posts just because I dont like you or don't agree with you. It's not civilised thing to do on discussion forum.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

CiniO wrote: »

Thats incorrect. nct becomes due on 4th anniversary of first registration in countryof origin. Not on anniversary of Iimport date

No, no it doesnt.
Look it up - I only registered an import - Date of registration was july 2010 but date of import was jan 2014. NCT due Jan 2014

You don't half come out with a lot of rubbish in your anti-Irish law crusade

djimi

My understanding is that there are two systems for imports; for cars under 4 years old the NCT is due on the anniversary of the date of registration in its original country, and for cars over 4 years old that require a NCT immediately, the test date will fall on the anniversary of the date of registration in Ireland.

Or maybe its the other way around!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

djimi wrote: »

My understanding is that there are two systems for imports; for cars under 4 years old the NCT is due on the anniversary of the date of registration in its original country, and for cars over 4 years old that require a NCT immediately, the test date will fall on the anniversary of the date of registration in Ireland.

Or maybe its the other way around!

My car was 4 years old in the July - yet my NCT was due in January (when the car was 3.5 yrs old) as it was the date of import

djimi

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

My car was 4 years old in the July - yet my NCT was due in January (when the car was 3.5 yrs old) as it was the date of import

Are you sure that its wasnt the case that you could test your car in Jan, given that it was 6 months before the first NCT due date? A 3 and a half year old car would not be due an NCT, even if it was an import.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

djimi wrote: »

Are you sure that its wasnt the case that you could test your car in Jan, given that it was 6 months before the first NCT due date? A 3 and a half year old car would not be due an NCT, even if it was an import.

No, I was told that I needed an NCT as I could be done for no NCT - because I was eligible for an NCT.
I think it was a little more than 6 months in the difference. Must check, have the logbook at home.

corktina

CiniO wrote: »

Thats incorrect. nct becomes due on 4th anniversary of first registration in countryof origin. Not on anniversary of Iimport date

That's incorrect. That used to be the case but is no longer.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

corktina wrote: »

That's incorrect. That used to be the case but is no longer.

He's on a crusade against Irish laws, there's no talking to him
We all know he is wrong!:)

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

No, no it doesnt.
Look it up - I only registered an import - Date of registration was july 2010 but date of import was jan 2014. NCT due Jan 2014

You don't half come out with a lot of rubbish in your anti-Irish law crusade

if thats how they did it for you, it means someone made a mistake. No car in Ireland is due Nct before its 4 years old. That's what nct legislation says - car younger than 4 years old are exempt from nct legislation

Cleveland Hot Pocket

CiniO wrote: »

if thats how they did it for you, it means someone made a mistake. No car in Ireland is due Nct before its 4 years old. That's what nct legislation says - car younger than 4 years old are exempt from nct legislation

Yes but it depends as to what your starting point is - IE when does the 4 years commence.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

My understanding is that there are two systems for imports; for cars under 4 years old the NCT is due on the anniversary of the date of registration in its original country, and for cars over 4 years old that require a NCT immediately, the test date will fall on the anniversary of the date of registration in Ireland.

d!

You are right here. Thats exactly how it works.

Marcusm

Cîunas children, no need to be fighting in class.

There is likely some accuracy in both your positions. Ireland has to accept overseas roadworthiness tests in respect of foreign registered cars on Irish roads. A car imported into Ireland and reregistered here will fall under domestic provisions and the Irish government is entitled to treat these more harshly than EU standards and is, most likely, permitted to insist on earlier standards. What it cannot do is enact legislation imposing a greater burden on imported cars than existing Irish registered ones nor can it put in place onerous or undue restrictions on the cars of EU nations transferring their residence to Ireland. On this basis, I cannot see how an NCT could be lawfully imposed on a car less than 4 years old.

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

No, I was told that I needed an NCT as I could be done for no NCT - because I was eligible for an NCT.
I think it was a little more than 6 months in the difference. Must check, have the logbook at home.

When you did your Nct in January 2014 how long did you get on your nct disc?
Is it valid until Jan 2016 or June 2016?

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

That's incorrect. That used to be the case but is no longer.

Dear corktina I assure you that is correct.
If car imported is under 4 years old it becomes due Nct on 4th anniversary of first registration in country of origin.
If car when imported is over 4 years old it becomes due nct on day of registration in Ireland.

Only exception is Cleverland Hot Pockets as his car must have been only car in Ireland which became due Nct at the age of 3.5

timmy4u2

NCT due from date of import if over four years old and fourth anniversary of 1st registration if less than four years old

RootX

Car re-registration: EU to tackle one of Europeans' biggest complaints

Doesn't look like it's law as of yet.

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

That's incorrect. That used to be the case but is no longer.

You are wrong. Cini0 is correct, as he c is most times:)

timmy4u2

RootX wrote: »

Car re-registration: EU to tackle one of Europeans' biggest complaints

Doesn't look like it's law as of yet.

Cini0 is usually a step ahead of the possee:D

corktina

It has to be NCTd by it's 4th birthday but that NCT will be backdated to the anniversary of import in this particular case.IMO.

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

It has to be NCTd by it's 4th birthday but that NCT will be backdated to the anniversary of import in this particular case.IMO.

In under four years it will not be backdated it will hold its 1st reg anniversary.
If you were to go by your suggestion one could be driving a car illegally for months and then fix it retrospectively

Cleveland Hot Pocket

CiniO wrote: »

Dear corktina I assure you that is correct.
If car imported is under 4 years old it becomes due Nct on 4th anniversary of first registration in country of origin.
If car when imported is over 4 years old it becomes due nct on day of registration in Ireland.

Only exception is Cleverland Hot Pockets as his car must have been only car in Ireland which became due Nct at the age of 3.5

You are wrong deal with it.
As per usual you are wrong and will spout tripe.
So be it, I'm done responding to you, you can join the other <snip> on my ignore list.

corktina wrote: »

It has to be NCTd by it's 4th birthday but that NCT will be backdated to the anniversary of import in this particular case.IMO.

Exactly.

testicle

CiniO wrote: »

Im not sure. Id have to look up. I might in the evening. For the moment all I can tell you is that there was good few other countries doing the same (not accepting test certs on imported cars) and they were forced by Eu court of justice to change regulations, which clearly proves it was against EU law.
I'LL try to link appropriate law later

I await with baited breath!

Irishcrx

To be fair wheather it's currently against EU law or not a UK MOT should be accepted on the roads here on an imported car up until the date of expiry of which it should then have to go through an NCT.

If you buy a UK car, pay the VRT and tax etc and it has 11 month's MOT that should be valid here, it's not currently but it should be. I know it's current Irish law but I'd have glass shards in my teeth being pulled up by the guards for no NCT if I'd done all of the above and the car was clearly road legal in the UK.

Just another one of those Irish 'give us your money....a bit more please' thing's..

corktina

timmy4u2 wrote: »

In under four years it will not be backdated it will hold its 1st reg anniversary.
If you were to go by your suggestion one could be driving a car illegally for months and then fix it retrospectively

That isn't what I said.

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

That isn't what I said.

But it is what it implied

corktina

No it wasn't What I said was the NCT would be due on the 4th anniversary and would have to be done by that date and the cert would be dated back to the anniversary of the import. How does that imply the car being driven illegally?

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

No it wasn't What I said was the NCT would be due on the 4th anniversary and would have to be done by that date and the cert would be dated back to the anniversary of the import. How does that imply the car being driven illegally?

It has to be NCTd by it's 4th birthday but that NCT will be backdated to the anniversary of import in this particular case.IMO.

Lets get this into context
You are saying you do not have to NCT it until it is 4 year old

So it was first reg on 29/12/2010 and it was Imported on 02/01/2014

It does not have to be NCT'd until 29/12/2014
When I get that NCT cert it will commence fron 02/01/2014 and expire on 01/01/2016

So while everybody else gets a two yr NCT I will get a one year and two days cert because the cert will be covering a period of 11 months and 27 days that the law does not require a NCT test to be in force for.

That is mad
I

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

It has to be NCTd by it's 4th birthday but that NCT will be backdated to the anniversary of import in this particular case.IMO.

corktina wrote: »

No it wasn't What I said was the NCT would be due on the 4th anniversary and would have to be done by that date and the cert would be dated back to the anniversary of the import. How does that imply the car being driven illegally?

I am bit lost in what you are trying to say.

Let's use examples then.

My example:
I imported a car from UK last year.
Car's first registration date in UK was September 2009.
I registered it in Ireland in March 2013 (so car was 3.5 years old).
It was due NCT at it's fourth birthday, which came in September 2013.
I NCTed it, and got a NCT cert valid until September 2015.
All in line with what I was saying.

Cleverland Hot Pocket's example:
He imported a car this year.
Car's first registration date in UK was July 2010.
He registered it in Ireland in January 2014 (so car was 3.5 years old).
He claims, car was due NCT straight away after registration (January 2014).
We can only assume (because he never confirmed), that if that was NCT due date, his cert is now valid until January 2016.
That's in line with what he was saying.

Someone must be lying here.
I know my version is true.
His version is rather unbelievable, as no car can be due NCT in Ireland at the age of 3.5 years old.

Here's a proof:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/si/0567.html

3. (1) Section 18 and these Regulations apply to a vehicle, other than a small public service vehicle or a vehicle mentioned in paragraph (4)—


(a) from the fourth anniversary of first registration of the vehicle, or

To clarify -

“ section 18 ” means section 18 of the Road Traffic Act 1961 (No. 24 of 1961);

And here's that section:

18.—(1) A person shall not use in a public place a mechanically propelled vehicle to which this section applies unless at that time there is in force in respect of the vehicle a test certificate.

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Lets get this into context
You are saying you do not have to NCT it until it is 4 year old

So it was first reg on 29/12/2010 and it was Imported on 02/01/2014

It does not have to be NCT'd until 29/12/2014
When I get that NCT cert it will commence fron 02/01/2014 and expire on 01/01/2016

So while everybody else gets a two yr NCT I will get a one year and two days cert because the cert will be covering a period of 11 months and 27 days that the law does not require a NCT test to be in force for.

That is mad
I

Not only mad, but that's not how it works.

corktina

IMO means "in my opinion" it doesn't mean I'm right. What I was clarifying in post 40 was what I had said and which had been misterpreted.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

IMO means "in my opinion" it doesn't mean I'm right. What I was clarifying in post 40 was what I had said and which had been misterpreted.

In post 40 you said:

No it wasn't What I said was the NCT would be due on the 4th anniversary and would have to be done by that date and the cert would be dated back to the anniversary of the import.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "cert being backdated".

Do you mean in my example above, then car first registered in UK in September 2009, imported to Ireland in March 2013 (age of 3.5), becomes due NCT in September 2013, but cert issued then is only valid until March 2015?
Did I get it right?

corktina

that isn't the issue. I was merely correcting whoever it was who said in my example the car would be driving illegally with no NCT which was not what I said.

CiniO

testicle wrote: »

I await with baited breath!

So indeed there is no exact EU law saying clearly about illegality of NCT for impoted vehicles which hold valid MOT (or equivalent from other country).

But in case-law have a look here:

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=62926&mode=req&pageIndex=1&dir=&occ=first&part=1&text=roadworthiness&doclang=EN&cid=269317#ctx1

That's a case in EU court of justice (EU commision vs Poland).

Action brought on 30 March 2007 - Commission of the European Communities v Republic of Poland
(Case C-170/07)

(...)

Form of order sought
declare that, by introducing a requirement for roadworthiness tests of imported second-hand vehicles prior to their registration whereas there is no such requirement in relation to domestic vehicles in the same circumstances, the Republic of Poland has failed to fulfil its obligations under Article 28 EC;

(...)

Article 28 EC prohibits quantitative restrictions on imports between Member States and all measures having equivalent effect. According to the Court's case-law, in the absence of harmonisation 'all trading rules enacted by Member States which are capable of hindering, directly or indirectly, actually or potentially, intra-Community trade are to be considered as measures having an effect equivalent to quantitative restrictions'.



(...)

The Polish Law on Road Traffic imposes an obligation to carry out a roadworthiness test prior to the first registration of vehicles in Poland. Since new vehicles are exempted from that obligation, in practice only second-hand vehicles imported from other Member States are subject to mandatory roadworthiness tests prior to their registration in Poland. Consequently, that requirement constitutes a measure discriminating against vehicles imported from other Member States compared with domestic vehicles.

(...)

First, if the roadworthiness of a vehicle has been tested in one of the Member States, the principle of equivalence and of mutual recognition resulting from Article 3(2) of Directive 96/96/EC obliges all Member States to recognise a certificate issued in such circumstances as if they had issued it themselves. The Commission has to reject the argument of the Polish authorities that periodical roadworthiness tests carried out in another Member State are immaterial. In the Commission's view, marking in the registration documents the fact that the vehicle's registration has been cancelled is not intended to invalidate all roadworthiness tests and other certificates concerning the vehicle's mechanical state and, moreover, the cancellation of a vehicle's registration has nothing to do with its mechanical state.

I quoted only few relevant parts of the whole text.

But as you can see, in Poland it was the same thing - imported vehicles had to go through roadworthiness test during proces of registration.
EU court of justice decided it was illegal, and therefore forced Polish government to accept test certificates issued abroad.
So if you import a car from Ireland to Poland with valid NCT, you will get an equivalent polish roadworthiness test valid for as long as NCT was valid.
It doesn't work other way so something is definitely not right.
And I'm pretty sure if Irish NCT case went to EU court of justice, result would be the same - they would be forced to change law and accept foreign test certs.

slimjimmc

CiniO is 100% spot on when he says that all cars are liable for NCT only from their 4th anniversary of first registration in any state.


The regulation was introduced by SI 623/2011 which came into force on 3rd Jan 2012 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0623.html
and later amended by SI 303/2013 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/si/0303.html

So in Cleveland Hot Pocket's case his car could not possibly be due it's NCT in Jan 2014, because it wasn't 4 years old.


SI 623/2011

(b) in the case of a vehicle that is not new and is brought permanently into the State—

(i) where the age of such vehicle is four years or greater on the date it is brought into the State, from that date, or

(ii) if clause (i) is not applicable, from the date on which the age of such vehicle is four years, or

SI 303/2013

b) in case the vehicle was entered into service or was registered outside the State or is or was required to be registered under the law of another jurisdiction and is brought into the State, other than temporarily where the vehicle is the subject of an exemption under section 135 of the Finance Act 1992 (No. 9 of 1992), in circumstances which require the vehicle under section 131 of that Act to be registered in the State—

(i) where the age of the vehicle is 4 years or greater on the date it is brought into the State, from that date, or

(ii) if the age of the vehicle is less than 4 years on the date it is brought into the State, from the date on which the vehicle attains 4 years of age, or

timmy4u2

slimjimmc wrote: »

CiniO is 100% spot on when he says that all cars are liable for NCT only from their 4th anniversary of first registration in any state.


The regulation was introduced by SI 623/2011 which came into force on 3rd Jan 2012 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0623.html
and later amended by SI 303/2013 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/si/0303.html

So in Cleveland Hot Pocket's case his car could not possibly be due it's NCT in Jan 2014, because it wasn't 4 years old.


SI 623/2011



SI 303/2013

Aw Slimjimmc I had that stored on the back boiler for a few hours waiting for all the abusers to show themselves to save having to repeat myself over and over

timmy4u2

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

You are wrong deal with it.
As per usual you are wrong and will spout tripe.
So be it, I'm done responding to you, you can join the other <snip> on my ignore list.


Exactly.

I presume:o apologies will be forthcoming:o

slimjimmc

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Aw Slimjimmc I had that stored on the back boiler for a few hours waiting for all the abusers to show themselves to save having to repeat myself over and over

Sawwwy, I couldn't resist