Athlone Child Rapist gets life.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Well deserved too!
Fair play to Judge Carney
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0303/507960-athlone/

The victim impact statements were heart-breaking. God love those two poor kids and their families.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Hope the scumbag rots

Guy:Incognito

Going from (hazy) memory, presumably he'll appeal and get it reduced based on what others have got for rape? Most likely using some of Judge Carneys own sentences as evidence?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Going from (hazy) memory, presumably he'll appeal and get it reduced based on what others have got for rape? Most likely using some of Judge Carneys own sentences as evidence?

Carney has sentenced others to life for rape, in one case even adding a consecutive sentence to the life sentence, and it held up on appeal.
He has given the maximum sentence allowed by law, what more do you want of him?

Guy:Incognito

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Carney has sentenced others to life for rape, in one case even adding a consecutive sentence to the life sentence, and it held up on appeal.
He has given the maximum sentence allowed by law, what more do you want of him?

I wasn't looking for anything from him.


I'd imagine some rape victims might feel a bit let down when they have to see their rapists around their towns after a few years mind.

SEPT 23 1989

how many years?

131spanner

Deserves nothing less, remembering feeling sick to the stomach hearing about that crime a few months back.

Mince Pie

So we assume life means life and this sicko isn't getting any parole? Its good to hear a judge giving a decent sentence and not some joke of a 10 years ruling.

thebaz

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

thebaz wrote: »

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

He's not named to protect the identities of the young girls.

I'm surprised to hear it was Justice Carney, hopefully it's the start of more consistent sentencing from that particular judge.

He deserves nothing less than his natural life, I doubt he could be rendered harmless to society if he's capable of those crimes.

Holsten

thebaz wrote: »

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

What the hell are you on about? That post is stupid as hell. It has nothing to do with his family.

thebaz

thebaz wrote: »

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

Hang on a sec...why should his family suffer?

His family haven't committed any crimes, how on earth could it be justice for them to be punished like that?

Ormus

thebaz wrote: »

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

Your violent lack of logic or sense of justice is pretty disturbing

thebaz

Candie wrote: »

Hang on a sec...why should his family suffer?

if it was to protect the young girls anonymity compoletly understand - it was a horrible vicious case , when i read the case , and what the families had to go through , and someone mentioned appeal , made me so ****en angry

Penny Dreadful

thebaz wrote: »

what a horrible coward of a man - may he never ever get out - if he ****en appeals it , he should be publicly named & shamed - and his family can endure a fraction of the pain inflicted on his innocent victimes

Listening to the news and the details of what this man did turned my stomach, it was truly shocking and my heart goes out to the little girls and their families.

I have to ask though, why would the family of the man who committed the crime be expected to endure pain and suffering (and more than they must already be anyway)? They did not commit any crime here.

eviltwin

I was going to post my usual response to news like this but that would be giving more attention to the guilty party. Instead I am going to wish the two young victims and their loved ones the very best of everything going forward. I hope that this helps them in some way in moving beyond this event. Its going to be a tough road for them but hopefully in time they can move on with their lives and live them to the fullest. They deserve that.

Riskymove

I think its right that he get life, a really despicable act. He is lucky to be alive frankly and I think he'll be at risk for a long time.

Its terrible to think that this happened to two little girls and the effects of this will go right through to their families and future lives. I only hope they can come to terms with it eventually and find some normality

However, I am also sad that people like this perpetrator exist. Reading through the details he has had a complete waste of a life leading to this despicable act. It always makes me that bit more appreciative of my own life

thebaz

Ormus wrote: »

Your violent lack of logic or sense of justice is pretty disturbing

it was a heinous cowardly crime , of the highest order , and I was angry - on reflection, i agree his family shouldn't suffer , but the suffering he has inflicted on not just his victims , but ther family , made me angry - very

omahaid

Can anyone explain why the sentences are to run concurrently?

Fred Swanson

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Dickerty

Ah, what I wouldn't do for a good chemical castration here..

hairycakes

omahaid wrote: »

Can anyone explain why the sentences are to run concurrently?

I would like to know this also. I don't understand the reasoning behind concurrent sentencing and would be interested to know what logic is behind it.

Riskymove

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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it's not that simple

Irish Judges tend to look at it that way but its still their discretion

there's a lot of discussion on this issue online, including in the legal discussion forum here on boards.

aristotle25

The independent.ie has some horrible, horrible details about the case. The guy is depraved and I can't begin to imagine the horrors the parents are going through as well as the poor children.

I really would support death penalties for this and no doubt he will get some extra punishment in prison, hopefully.

Ormus

thebaz wrote: »

it was a heinous cowardly crime , of the highest order , and I was angry - on reflection, i agree his family shouldn't suffer , but the suffering he has inflicted on not just his victims , but ther family , made me angry - very

But that's exactly what I mean. Your anger made you wanna be violent and your lack of intelligence meant you were willing to be violent towards innocent people in order to satisfy your desire for some kind of twisted retribution.

It's all fairly caveman stuff. Me angry. Me want hurt people.

Holsten

aristotle25 wrote: »

No doubt he will get some extra punishment in prison, hopefully.

:rolleyes:

Why the hell do people advocate this sort of crap?! He has got his punishment, he's been given life, he will most likely never get out.

I would bet my house that NOTHING will happen to him in prison unless he does something to himself. What you want to happen is stuff of fairtyles in American prisons thankfully not here.

vicwatson

It's a balls the way he is afforded anonimity (Indo with blanked out face of the bastard), I understand it might be to protect the victims in normal cases but in this case he didn't even know the family and they didn't know him so I dont know why he has anonimity. The fúcker should be put down slowly

Caliden

Holsten wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Why the hell do people advocate this sort of crap?! He has got his punishment, he's been given life, he will most likely never get out.

I would bet my house that NOTHING will happen to him in prison unless he does something to himself. What you want to happen is stuff of fairtyles in American prisons thankfully not here.

Fairytales you say....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-jailed-for-death-of-girl-16-is-scalded-in-prison-attack-1.1525397

:rolleyes:

Riskymove

Holsten wrote: »

NOTHING will happen to him in prison unless he does something to himself. What you want to happen is stuff of fairtyles in American prisons thankfully not here.

if you are talking about sex attacks then yes, it appears to be fairly nonexistant here but particular criminals are at risk of physical attacks....by our more nobler common thiefs and scumbags :rolleyes:

Tilikum

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

how many years?

15 years. He'll probably be out in less than 10.

That **** should never see the light of day again.

Stheno

HOpe it is of some comfort to the family of his victims, that was an horrific crime

6781

Had to turn off the radio listening to some of the details. Sick f**ker. Pity life isn't life in this country.

Riskymove

Tilikum wrote: »

15 years. He'll probably be out in less than 10.

That **** should never see the light of day again.

there are people on whole-life jail terms but usually murderers


I think Joseph McColgan would be an example for this case. He got a total of 238 years at sentencing for a 15 year sexual abuse of his four kids

he got out after 9 years

Pro Hoc Vice

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Going from (hazy) memory, presumably he'll appeal and get it reduced based on what others have got for rape? Most likely using some of Judge Carneys own sentences as evidence?

You do know that a lower courts decision is not binding on an superior court. But as someone who has actually researched sentencing of Judge Carney, he has on numerous times given life for rape, he is consistent in giving heavy sentences for serious violent rapes. The appeal court has on many occasions reduced his sentences as being too harsh. But contrary to popular opinion he is passes heavy sentences. But it seems the media prefer to make headlines of the few perceived lenient sentences.

--Kaiser--

What he needs is a rope around his neck

aristotle25

Holsten wrote: »

What you want to happen is stuff of fairtyles in American prisons thankfully not here.

I was implying some inmates will likely physically assault him. I think there is a high chance of that happening.

Riskymove

aristotle25 wrote: »

I was implying some inmates will likely physically assault him. I think there is a high chance of that happening.

I imagine he'll be in protected custody/ isolation or with other sex offenders or whatever

Gatling

This will probably be appealed going by his councils closing speech saying an indeterminate sentence wasn't requited as he had no previous pedophile activities ,
Could well be reduced on appeal ,


Hope to god it never gets to appeal

thebaz

Ormus wrote: »

your lack of intelligence meant you were willing to be violent towards innocent people in order to satisfy your desire for some kind of twisted retribution.

It's all fairly caveman stuff. Me angry. Me want hurt people.

and sometimes anger is justified , i appoligised for what I initially said initially -

but perhaps Mr. X should have considered the impact of his actions, on his victims and on ther INNOCENT families

Tilikum

These rapists/paedos should be thrown into general population. It might deter some ***** from committing these horrible crimes.

Caliden

Tilikum wrote: »

These rapists/paedos should be thrown into general population. It might deter some ***** from committing these horrible crimes.

Then the taxpayer ends up footing the bill for an injuries they suffer.

the_syco

Hope everyone knows what sort of person he is when he gets into prison.

I hope he's barred from ever contacting his victims, and hopefully they'll find a way to black out the events, if at all possible.

I pity the girls, for when they grow up their physiological scars will no doubt emerge.

I hope he gets to spend a very long time in prison, living in fear of retaliation from fellow prisoners (pedos are not meant to be taken to kindly in prison) for all of said prison term!

intellectual dosser

I just had the horror of reading some of the details. That man is getting away too easy. It's one of the genuine times where it's fair to say he deserves every second of mistreatment he gets in prison.

GenieOz

Caliden wrote: »

Then the taxpayer ends up footing the bill for an injuries they suffer.

Worth it.

.jacksparrow.

This isn't life as in his while life, probably out in 15 years to mix with the population like Larry Murphy.

Piece of ****.

thebaz

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I just had the horror of reading some of the details. That man is getting away too easy. It's one of the genuine times where it's fair to say he deserves every second of mistreatment he gets in prison.

thats what made me so angry , absolute horrific cowardly crime on innocent young children , and people talking about appeals and what not

cletus van damme

Tilikum wrote: »

15 years. He'll probably be out in less than 10.

That **** should never see the light of day again.

how can you say this guff - this is rabble joe duffy stuff.

the average life sentence served in ireland is 17 years and they are released on licence - as in they need to "check in" regularly and the gardai need to know where they are. They can also be sent back inside indefinitely for minor crimes as it's considered a breach of their terms.

let's be frank here - he has two life sentences. he'll unlikely to be let out for well in excess of 20 years as the parole folk will take account of that even if they are concurrent.
Considering he will have to prove he is reformed (unlikely in fairness) he may never get out.

this was a terrible crime , my heart goes out to the victims and their families. I really hope they find peace and move on and have a happy life.

Gambas

the_syco wrote: »

I pity the girls, for when they grow up their physiological scars will no doubt emerge.

Hopefully the fact that they started receiving therapy immediately will stand to them.

He deserves everything that is coming to him.

Galwayguy35

Read about the case on Independant.ie, the details of what happened are shocking.

The men who went to house after it happened showed remarkable self restraint that they didn't finish him off when they got hold of him.

Hopefully he will never get out.

valerossi

Caliden wrote: »

Then the taxpayer ends up footing the bill for an injuries they suffer.

I will personally found his payout if I can have a cut off him/it. He should spend his life in a dark cell he cant stand up or lie down in only getting out to work 8 hours of manual demeaning labour daily.
Sorry thing is when he gets out that's it and he's free to prowl the country again more then lightly funded by the state.

Hope the state is seeing to the mental health needs of those kids.