Lifting straps for deadlifts

saucers82

I found today as I increase the weight on my deadlifts, I am struggling to hit my desired rep range purely due to grip.

was thinking of buying straps and using them, but as I have read elsewhere, maybe I should persevere and in turn increase grip and forearm strength.

what do peeps here think? any suggestions?

p.s. relatively new to deadlifts

Mellor

Do you use chalk?
If not that should be the first thing you change

Alf Veedersane

No harm in using straps for now and working on your grip strength as well.

saucers82

Mellor wrote: »

Do you use chalk?
If not that should be the first thing you change

No I don't use chalk, maybe worth checking out.
supplement shops best bet to pick up some?

Blacktie.

saucers82 wrote: »

No I don't use chalk, maybe worth checking out.
supplement shops best bet to pick up some?

Chalk will make a big difference. I can go to about 160 without maybe 5 or 10kg higher but can get to about 200 with chalk. And that's not my grip failing at that number but my pulling power. Don'l let grip strength hold you back on a posterior chain exercise!

saucers82

cheers blacktie, where could i pick some up in Dublin?

Alf Veedersane

You can get liquid chalk online (it might be available in a shop in Dublin but I haven't found it) or you could get a chalk ball in Basecamp on Middle Abbey St. They're €3.

Mellor

saucers82 wrote: »

No I don't use chalk, maybe worth checking out.
supplement shops best bet to pick up some?

That's your solution then. Chalk will add weight to your DL instantly.

I'd advise against straps as they only masks the issue. I find deadlifts are great for improving grip,

saucers82

thanks everyone..will go with the chalk, had to order some stuff online anyway so will give the liquid one a go.

conzy

Over Under grip is also an option if you don't do that already

WHIP IT!

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You can get liquid chalk online (it might be available in a shop in Dublin but I haven't found it) or you could get a chalk ball in Basecamp on Middle Abbey St. They're €3.

Got em in D8 Fitness too...

http://www.d8fitness.com/store/accessories/chalk/

Have only used liquid chalk once and I was amazed by the difference I must say.

Zymurgist

what is the benefit of liquid chalk vs regular chalk? Is it just less likely to spill over on to the floor when you're putting it on your hands

Alf Veedersane

Zymurgist wrote: »

what is the benefit of liquid chalk vs regular chalk? Is it just less likely to spill over on to the floor when you're putting it on your hands

It's a little less messy. A bit handier as well since you can just throw a bottle into the bag and not get chalk all over everything.

But I wouldn't have said there's an advantage to either in lifting.

saucers82

it just dawned on me lol no more need for gloves then ha ha
was sick of replacing them everytime!

conzy

saucers82 wrote: »

it just dawned on me lol no more need for gloves then ha ha
was sick of replacing them everytime!

Well theres your problem :pac:

Its harder to hold onto things with gloves, sometimes I put a towel around dumbells for farmers walks as it makes it harder to hold them

Alf Veedersane

Only start using the chalk when you get into the range of about 80% of your 1RM.

If you're needing it sooner, you need to strengthen your grip.

saucers82

I should be proud of callouses then I suppose
I used some good Nike weightlifting gloves

saucers82

according to http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html i am only 6kgs off 80% of 1 rpm

Stench Blossoms

Where's the best place to get liquid chalk?

saucers82

anyone got it from MY?

http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/myprotein-liquid-chalk/10529941.html?vwo_ac=false

Mellor

saucers82 wrote: »

according to http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html i am only 6kgs off 80% of 1 rpm

I'm not sure what you are saying.

saucers82

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Only start using the chalk when you get into the range of about 80% of your 1RM.

If you're needing it sooner, you need to strengthen your grip.

following Alf's suggestion

Mellor

saucers82 wrote: »

following Alf's suggestion

I seen his suggestion.

I just do to know what you mean by 6kg off 80%.
Are you saying that's were you do your work sets? Or something else.

saucers82

my 1rpm for 100kgs @ 10 reps = 133kgs 1 rpm
80% of my 1rpm is 106kgs

i am lifting in or around 80%

Alf Veedersane

Looks like you need to do some grip training as well though.

Your sets are at 75% of your 1RM.

kevpants

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Where's the best place to get liquid chalk?

Great Outdoors just off Grafton St. Liquid chalk doesn't provide the same grip as a block of chalk though. Neither do the little chalk bags. There's an inverse ratio between messiness and grip.

Alf Veedersane

saucers82 wrote: »

anyone got it from MY?

http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/myprotein-liquid-chalk/10529941.html?vwo_ac=false

Actually, that's the chalk I use.

I find it nice and tacky.

saucers82

Gym might complain about the mess is my concern (re: block) - never seen anyone using chalk at my gymnasiumplatz

ted1

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Where's the best place to get liquid chalk?

Any climbing shop, great outdoors, 53 degrees north, snow and rock.

Da Za

Great Outdoors just off Graton St is the best place.

Balls and liquid chalk aren't great tbh, just get a block of chalk. Way better!!

Wood

Da Za wrote: »

Great Outdoors just off Graton St is the best place.

Balls and liquid chalk aren't great tbh, just get a block of chalk. Way better!!

Couldn't agree more. I have a chalk ball I keep in my bag too, purely for the chance that i may run out of my block.

Great outdoors is pretty cheap too.

Hanley

Great outdoors off grafton street didnt have any on thursday when I was in looking for it. The barstewards.

Also.. fixing DL grip issues, in order (in my opinion)

"normal" doulbe OH
v
add chalk
v
mix grip
v
use straps, and train grip at end of session to bring it up to par ASAP

thegreatiam

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You can get liquid chalk online (it might be available in a shop in Dublin but I haven't found it) or you could get a chalk ball in Basecamp on Middle Abbey St. They're €3.

Supplement shop on Dundrum high street had some. Probably other supplement shops stock it too. But it's expensive. Online is best if you're ordering.

Blacktie.

Hanley wrote: »

v
add chalk
v
mix grip
v
use straps, and train grip at end of session to bring it up to par ASAP

Chalk before mixed grip? I would have always thought the other way around. Is this because with chalk you still have to forceably stop the rotation of the bar?

Mellor

Blacktie. wrote: »

Chalk before mixed grip? I would have always thought the other way around. Is this because with chalk you still have to forceably stop the rotation of the bar?

That's the same order I use.
Warm-up with normal OH deadlift. Add chalk for the last set or two. Switch to mixed grip for my heaviest only.
I add chalk before I switch to mixed grip simply because I want to pull as heavy as i can overhand. I think I get to about 80-85% overhand.

If the chalk is sitting there, I don't see why you'd switch to mixed grip to avoid it. Unless you want to train mixed grip specifically, in which case lift mixed from the start.

Blacktie.

Mellor wrote: »

That's the same order I use.
Warm-up with normal OH deadlift. Add chalk for the last set or two. Switch to mixed grip for my heaviest only.
I add chalk before I switch to mixed grip simply because I want to pull as heavy as i can overhand. I think I get to about 80-85% overhand.

If the chalk is sitting there, I don't see why you'd switch to mixed grip to avoid it. Unless you want to train mixed grip specifically, in which case lift mixed from the start.

Thanks for that I'll change it to this order from now on. Makes sense really. I always assumed unassisted in any way>any external assistance. Never really thought about it.