European Free Vaping Initiative: the petition to end them all

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I'm gonna bump this again. Think it probably deserves to be a sticky.

thbb

Thanks for bumping. FYI, our British friends are organizing collection boxes for vape shops, we are trying to get organized to have some sent to shops over here in Ireland, to help gathering more signatures.
We'd need volunteers to:
- list the shops and
- obtain their agreement to inform their customers, then we should be able to send poll boxes to the volunteers
so they gather the signatures (on paper ballots), and either send them for entry in the EU system, or enter them themselves.

Please PM if there are volunteers.

8mm

Done #425

I'm 50 days smoke free! You can be too!

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Didihno

Done. And good luck to us all.
I'm a year vaping now, had maybe 20 in the few few months (damn you beer!) and last had a ciggy of any description just before Christmas, it was disgusting and went in the bin after 2 puffs.

Selik

Done.

I've saved over 4,500 since I started vaping instead of smoking in January of last year and am alot healthier too. This whole thing about banning vaping would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious not to mention the ill effect it could potentially have on hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of vapers (in most cases ex-smokers).

ardle1

Done :-)

thbb

The EU EFVI Coordination is looking for facts and stats about ecig usage in all EU countries. If someone would be so kind to propose the IE perspective, we would be most grateful. Ireland seems to be hard to reach and lacking in volunteers to defend vaping...


Here are the questions:

COUNTRY IRELAND

NB OF VAPERS

SALES

MARKET

eLIQUIDS

GENERAL SITUATION

VAPING IN PUBLIC AREA

OTHER RESTRICTIONS

EFVI

Source : (your username)

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Here is what we're looking for in each space:


COUNTRY
# OF VAPERS
Try if you can distinguish between everbody who may use e-cigs occasionally And those who use these only .Try also to mention your countries smoking rates
SALES
An estimate of how many dedicated Vaping shops or other outlets that may sell any variety of e-cig (Gen1-2-3)
MARKET
Try to estimate number of Gen 1 compared to Gen2+3 in proportion to each other
eLIQUIDS
Flavourings allowed? nicotine content restrictions?,import restrictions? ..anything of relevance! childproof containers
GENERAL SITUATION
Give a general description of what is currently happening in your country ..if you want a rough guideline see DK, France, UK entries
VAPING IN PUBLIC AREA
Current and proposed regulations imposed locally,Nationally or private institutions
OTHER RESTRICTIONS
Age, Advertising ??
EFVI
Describe what your country is doing + how effective you think it is doing regarding signature collection .Have you got web,Fb +Twitter support

Source :

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And here is an example of the France form:

COUNTRY
FRANCE
NB OF VAPERS
1,5 million of regular vapers (8 millions tried ecigs, 14 millions smokers, 64 millions inhabitants)
SALES
Mostly in Shops, around 2500 shops in the country
Some tobacconists sale ecigs (egos + liquids, very few cigalike)
Supermarket : few sales, ego packages

MARKET
no cigalike, people begin vaping with ego + stardust. Shops start to sell MODS now
eLIQUIDS
No flavour restrictions, nicotine limited to 20mg/ml (above will be probably sold by pharmacy, under prescription ?) Most of the people use 11mg/ml, some begin with 18mg/ml.
French brands sell liquids child proof and mostly in 10ml bottles
No bad perception of the 20mg/ml limit of the TPD. Perceived as normal, difficult to mobilize people on that subject, requires lots of explanation.
GENERAL SITUATION


Quite positive.

Clear support of Tobacco Control for ecigs (for smokers).

Do not fear anymore the renormalization toward young people, since a study showed that while general ecig use increase, tobacco use amongst young peaple decreased and young people do not vape. Confirming the exit gateway.

Monthly figures produces by TC show clearly that tobacco sales are decreasing rapidly (-10%) in a year

Health authority still very precautious, still recommands patchs, gums and medicines “solutions” at first trial

Jacques Le Houezec (consultant, scientist, nicotine specialist) Antoine Flahault (epidemiologist, prof of medecine), Philippe Presles (physician, organizer of the call of the 100) are fighting with us against TPD.
Supporting ecigs and TPD : B. Dautzenberg (head of TC agency)
VAPING IN PUBLIC AREA
allowed at the moment (not forbidden by law is more exact), and left to discretion of local councils and owners of establishments,
will be probably banned by law (i.e. everywhere as tobacco) very soon, project of law should be presented 17th of june.
OTHER RESTRICTIONS
Sales forbidden to people under 18
EFVI
Dedicated Internet Web Site, FB page and twitter account
BullBox + Dedicated Forum to organize the operation
National consumer asso (AIDUCE) supports and participate
Main french forums : support limited to a banner
8 people coordinate EFVI op’s in France
250 vaping volunteers participate to the op BullBox (not enough to cover the whole country)
No possibility of public funding. Professional associations (FIVAPE + SYNAPCE) have funded the bullBoxes and the postal costs, around 2500€. We have a proposal for funding by another major retailer. But no specific project at the moment. We have projects to send Boxes to Belgium and Luxembourg (french speaking countries)
Source : ElvaPote

tommy2bad

COUNTRY Ireland.
# OF VAPERS No actual figures but we tend to follow UK figures, so population adjusted would give us around 140 000 vapers. At this stage lmost all 85 to 90% of smokers have tried an ecig. Dual use? hard to say probably less than half current vapers.
Smoking prevalence is thought o be 21.5% from the HSE site. http://www.hse.ie/eng/about/Who/TobaccoControl/Research/
SALES
An estimate of how many dedicated Vaping shops or other outlets that may sell any variety of e-cig (Gen1-2-3)
Most newsagents stock a selection of products, choice of two or more cigalikes, disposables and reuseables, also some stock ego clearo combos and juices. Usually only one brand.

MARKET
Try to estimate number of Gen 1 compared to Gen2+3 in proportion to each other
Gen 1 is now stagnant in the market, shops have moved to gen 2 as this is what's in demand. BnM vape shops tend to be franchises, one stocks exclusively ego carto and their own in house brand juice. Other stock a selection of both gen 2 and 3 devices with a varity of juice. Theirs about 120 BnM shops dedicated to vaping, theirs at least one in every town, large towns with two or more. Online is also doing well.
eLIQUIDS
Flavourings allowed? nicotine content restrictions?,import restrictions? ..anything of relevance! childproof containers
Most vendors are compliant with CHIP standards. No restriction on what's sold yet, TPD will cover that. Gov are currently looking at the ecig regulation and have stated that an over 18 restriction will come in to force soon.
GENERAL SITUATION
Give a general description of what is currently happening in your country ..if you want a rough guideline see DK, France, UK entries.
Vaping is now mainstream, everyone knows what it is and are well clued in on the forces against them.
Your more likly to see a vaper on the street than a smoker at this stage. And using a gen 2 device.
Media has been negative, no sign of change in that so far.
VAPING IN PUBLIC AREA
Current and proposed regulations imposed locally,Nationally or private institutions
Some semi states have started banning them from their property, stating dificulty enforcing smoking ban as their reason. HSE has banned them from all property as of Jan 6 this year, stating they dont know whats in them and the old smoking ban confusion for staff.
OTHER RESTRICTIONS
Age, Advertising ??
Age restriction coming soon, so far no tv advertising and no national radio, some local radio adds I think.
EFVI
Describe what your country is doing + how effective you think it is doing regarding signature collection .Have you got web,Fb +Twitter support
Fully covered on the vaping forum facebook and twitter. Considering the number of users the response is low. BnM shops not getting behind the petition.

Source : Me apart from the hse link.
This is my impression so for what it's worth;
Most people would accept public use bans, taxes and other restrictions. They have come to expect this an inevitable and are stoic about it. As long as they can get what they want they will put up and settle for whining. The establishment is anti vaping, far more than in other countries and far more united in their opposition, ASH Ireland have not moved like ash UK or Wales. We have not had one doctor speak in favour of harm reduction and the conscientious is tight, nicotine absence is the end game.
We don't have any representative organisation, Forest do the talking for ecigs in the media and a few contrairians.
Pretty grim considering it's one of the few growth areas in the economy.

StickyIcky

Done

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Bump

cosbawn

Done, liked and shared on Face Book requesting sign up, sharing and support. A friend of mine is sooooooooo anti smoking, but she thinks ecigs and vaping is a fantastic alternative. She has even gone as far as buying start-up kits for 2 family members !

I might try and get a bit of support at work for it too, so many of us have changed to vaping.

MrBobbyZ

Done.

10 months smoke free thanks to the Boards Community and Vaping!

cosbawn

Have been chatting to the original poster by PM and have permission to copy and paste this petition into the Emergency Service (EM) Forum ( credit to original poster of course ) as more and more of my colleagues in the EM have changed to vaping. Hopefully it will drum up a bit of support. I hope Moderators that I am allowed do this and won't end up in trouble !!

Can anyone help me with a catchy title for the post ? Or will I just put
European Free Vaping Initiative: the petition to end them all

What ye think fellow vapers ?

Edit: Wasn't allowed to post in EM forum, but got permission to post in Surveys and non-media research, thank you Shields. And used the "save lives" logo, thanks jousting, still laughing at that

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SAVE LIVES

European Free Vaping Initiative: the petition to end them all

After all it is the Emergency Service forum

cosbawn

Absolutely Brilliant :D:D lol

Thanks

jousting with chairs

Lol , no prob

cosbawn

Bump

aoshea83

Done, though a bit disheartening with less than 6% here

ChalyIE

Done

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masonchat

Not one country at the threshold : - (

tommy2bad

masonchat wrote: »

Not one country at the threshold : - (

With only a couple of weeks to go, this is dead in the water. A real shame that an instrument provided by the EU has been so neglected. I guess theirs not a lot of support for vaping in the general population. I also get the impression from facebook that a lot of vapers are indifferent to vapers rights too. It's just a fun thing and if it all goes away...well the fags will always be their.

J Mysterio

I find the thought of restrictions on sales/ imports and/ or taxes and/ or whatever kinda depressing and spooky.

Kinda makes me think I should stock feckin loads of base. I think some of you folks have ordered it in large quantities if I'm not mistaken? From Germany?

masonchat

J Mysterio wrote: »

I find the thought of restrictions on sales/ imports and/ or taxes and/ or whatever kinda depressing and spooky.

Kinda makes me think I should stock feckin loads of base. I think some of you folks have ordered it in large quantities if I'm not mistaken? From Germany?

Yeah vapebase http://www.vapebase.de/ i wish this will they wont they ban/restrict thing never happened , i have spent a fortune lol currently have 2 liters 100mg/ml nicotine about 7 liters pg/vg (no need to stockpile this really) not to mention device after device after device.

I got my nicotine from e-liq.com though , and here is the chinese sister company cheaper again but slower shipping was my experience http://www.e-cig.com/

J Mysterio

Thanks bud.

Only thing is its dodgy having that amount of high nic lying around but then again bleach or toilet cleaner or whatever is just as bad/ worse.

Yeah, it sucks to worry about it. The feeling is that once some incoming legislation is confirmed, the vendors prices will go through the roof.in anticipation of the hit and then it might be too late to get your **** in

Eh... question on the German site though... It's just brown bottles is it (the nic base is clear)?!

masonchat

Well i have mine in clearly marked glass bottles in bottom of chest freezer with the caps all taped up , i am down to 3mg myself for a while now and i could probably do without the nicotine if push came to shove, its mainly for the father i am storing up the nicotine.

But its a shame to think others might be denied the chance to change their lives in the future , i reckon if it comes to it and it just get too hard/expensive i feel i am now in a position to stop