Can't get no car insurance quote...why?

Matthijs

Hi all,
For the second time in my life I have moved to Ireland to live and work.
This time I want to have a car, so I was thinking of getting one later this year.
I have been looking around on the internet to get car insurance quotes but with the insurers I have tried so far (around 5, among them Axa and Aviva) I always get the message that I "fall outside the criteria" and therefore I cannot be given a quote.
So I basically use these criteria:
-Full EU licence (Dutch)
-Licence had for 6 years
-No penalty points
-No convictions
-Been in Ireland less than 1 year
-No registered driving history in Ireland
-Tenant
-Employed
-IT Professional
-Living in Swords, Co. Dublin
-Age 34
-Car is Citroen Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Diesel 2005 (just for the example I use this car config)
-Car worth 3000 euro (again, example)
-Will drive less than 15,000 kms per year

So why do I fall outside the criteria?
I do have experience driving on the wrong left hand side of the road, both in LHD and RHD cars, as I have been driving around in the UK many times.

So anyone have any idea which insurer I can try?

Would The AA be more lenient, especially if I would become a member?

Thanks in advance.

D3PO

why not pick u the phone and call the insurers instead of just tyring online. Perhaps they can deal with your query on the phone in a way their online system cannot.

BuffyBot

What was said above. Phone companies, and check out insurance brokers also.

oldyouth

The one thing that sticks out for me is that you have lived in Ireland for less than a year. Insurers may be cautious that you don't intend a long term residency here. The problem, as they see it, is that you might have returned home when they would need you around to defend a possible claim.

Everything else looks fine to me. Contact a good broker to do the work for you

Matthijs

Thanks so far.
I was also thinking about this: would it not be possible to swap my Dutch licence and get an Irish licence?
That would make things easier maybe.
What government agency issues driving licences in Ireland?

mistress_gi

I would recommend Axa or Allianz. I started with the first and am now with the second, maybe try a broker as well, like first ireland or equivalent. Be prepared to fork out ridiculous amounts of money on the first year!

oldyouth

Matthijs wrote: »

Thanks so far.
I was also thinking about this: would it not be possible to swap my Dutch licence and get an Irish licence?
That would make things easier maybe.
What government agency issues driving licences in Ireland?

No, it wouldn't be the licence, given that it is EU. I wouldn't change it if I was you

Phars

25 years ago I had to change my Dutch licenence for an Irish, but as far as I know with the newer European licence you shouldn't have to. Probably D3PO has the best idea, pick up the phone

Matthijs

So the Irish insurers won't make me pay more because of the EU licence?
I figured maybe they think that because I am used to right hand driving I will be more likely to get involved in traffic accidents in Ireland, to the extent that they won't even insure me. But then again that would be ridiculous; everyone should at least be able to start from scratch and build a hopefully clean driving history.
But yeah I will call some insurance companies and some brokers as well.

oldyouth

Matthijs wrote: »

So the Irish insurers won't make me pay more because of the EU licence?
I figured maybe they think that because I am used to right hand driving I will be more likely to get involved in traffic accidents in Ireland, to the extent that they won't even insure me. But then again that would be ridiculous; everyone should at least be able to start from scratch and build a hopefully clean driving history.
But yeah I will call some insurance companies and some brokers as well.

This is related to the problem of you being in Ireland for less than a year, inexperience with driving on the left

Matthijs

mistress_gi wrote: »

I would recommend Axa or Allianz. I started with the first and am now with the second, maybe try a broker as well, like first ireland or equivalent. Be prepared to fork out ridiculous amounts of money on the first year!

So after I have made it through the first year without accidents or problems, the premium will get lower?

Phars

No but you pay more because you don't have a no claims bonus build up. So you will start off fairly high. As far as I know your inexperience regarding left side driving shouldn't be a problem. Any chance you can get a letter from you last Dutch insurance showing your no claims bonus?, it might help

Matthijs

oldyouth wrote: »

This is related to the problem of you being in Ireland for less than a year, inexperience with driving on the left

Yeah, but it's a bit of a vicious circle right.
No insurance -> no car -> no experience with driving on the left -> no record -> no insurance.

Matthijs

Phars wrote: »

No but you pay more because you don't have a no claims bonus build up. So you will start off fairly high. As far as I know your inexperience regarding left side driving shouldn't be a problem. Any chance you can get a letter from you last Dutch insurance showing your no claims bonus?, it might help

I might try and do this yes.

the_syco

Matthijs wrote: »

I do have experience driving on the wrong left hand side of the road, both in LHD and RHD cars, as I have been driving around in the UK many times.

Worked with a lad from Poland. He got insurance easy enough (would've been 2 or 3 years ago). Perhaps you have picked a particular boy racer disliked car?

Look for the Irish equal of your old Dutch insurer? You may get cheap insurance that way? Maybe ring home, and ask the old insurer?

Matthijs

the_syco wrote: »

Worked with a lad from Poland. He got insurance easy enough (would've been 2 or 3 years ago). Perhaps you have picked a particular boy racer disliked car?

Look for the Irish equal of your old Dutch insurer? You may get cheap insurance that way? Maybe ring home, and ask the old insurer?

LOL. The boy racer thing still seems kinda popular here in Ireland, looking at all these (maybe imported?) Subaru's I see every day.
The only boy racers that were ever big in Holland were the Honda CRX'es. But those disappeared there in the early 2000's.
Nah, I like Citroens. Not exactly racers.

hognef

You'll get insurance alright, but with an EU license you're likely to forever pay a higher premium than somebody with an Irish or UK license. At least that is still my experience, nearly a decade after moving to Ireland.

Strangely, I've even come across insurance companies offering lower premiums to UK license holders than to Irish ones (yes, for Ireland).

Matthijs

But why can I not get an Irish full licence then? Or can I?
If you move to Spain for example, you can get, no, must obtain a Spanish driving licence after 6 months of residency if I am not wrong.

Matthijs

Ok, just found this on RSA.ie:

If your stay in Ireland will be more than 12 months you can apply for an Irish driving licence but you will need to go through the full driver licensing procedure. You must first pass a driver theory test, apply for a learner permit, complete a course of Essential Driver Training(EDT) and pass your driving test in Ireland. If you pass your driving test, you can then apply for a full Irish driving licence.

Phars

I think that is for when you have No licence, you should be ok lol. I just went to licence offive, they took my Dutch one and gave me back an Irish licence

Matthijs

Phars wrote: »

I think that is for when you have No licence, you should be ok lol. I just went to licence offive, they took my Dutch one and gave me back an Irish licence

Are you serious?
This was recently?

Phars

No it was 25 years ago but a EU licence counts as having a full licence. I know American licences don't count, as a friend of my had to do the whole thing again. You shouldn't have a problem. Maybe google something like eu licence in Ireland, or if you find out where your local licence office is, just walk in and ask

Mr Keek

Matthijs, you're licence has nothing to do with the reason you are not getting quotes, it's Full EU, and therefore perfectly valid for insurance and driving in this country. You can change your licence to an Irish, but there is really no need, you are not obliged to.

It's a clean licence too, no issues with driving offenses. So forget the doubts about your Drivers Licence, it's not an issue.

Going from experience, its your lack of Insurance History and the engine size of the car that's causing you problems; Zero 'No Claims Bonus' (NCB), and you want a quote on a 2000cc car....Many companies will not quote cars greater than 1400cc unless you have a few years NCB for example.

Also, as you have 'No Previous Insurance' in Ireland, the majority of websites will block the quote by default; it's a default security measure for many insurance companies, No Previous Insurance is deemed higher risk hence they want you to call them so they can properly assess that risk; you really do need to call them. They are willing to quote, just not online.

Were you insured back home in the Netherlands? You can use this experience as NCB over here, written evidence of same from your insurer translated in English would be required.

Matthijs

Thanks Mr Keek.
This makes things more clear.

But 2000 cc....what is it? Is this considered big in Ireland??
Come on....
And I am talking about a diesel...still not exactly a fast car...or a risk.
What is it with the small engine fetish in this country?
A 34-year-old from abroad who wants to drive a 2 litre diesel...wow that's dangerous alright. That requires some responsibility.

I even consider getting a Dutch car with Dutch insurance instead and just driving it here.

Just a little pissed off now.

hognef

Just get a few more online quotes from the same company, but vary your answers to the questions about length of residency, prior insurance, no claims discount and engine size, and you'll be easily able to figure out which parameter is causing them not to quote. That's if you're interested enough. Otherwise speak to a broker, and you won't have a problem getting insurance.

My guess is, at your age, they won't have any issue with the engine size.

Mr Keek

Matthijs wrote: »

Thanks Mr Keek.
This makes things more clear.

But 2000 cc....what is it? Is this considered big in Ireland??
Come on....
And I am talking about a diesel...still not exactly a fast car...or a risk.
What is it with the small engine fetish in this country?
A 34-year-old from abroad who wants to drive a 2 litre diesel...wow that's dangerous alright. That requires some responsibility.

I even consider getting a Dutch car with Dutch insurance instead and just driving it here.

Just a little pissed off now.

No 'NCB', or Named Driving Experience 'NDE' implies that you are a relatively new/inexperienced driver (I know you're not, but you need to prove that to an insurance company).....based on that assumption, 2000cc is considered big.

Dutch car, insured in Ireland with an Irish insurer is no problem, but be prepared to pay about 15% extra(approx) for a Right Hand Drive Loading.

Dutch Car, with Dutch Insurance being driven in Ireland would only be valid for 30days automatically, and for a maximum of 3 months if you notify your Dutch insurer. After that, your cover would cease! You are a permenant resident in Ireland now though, so more than likely the Dutch underwriters wouldn't even give that cover. That cover is reserved for Visitor and tourists bringing their car with them.

Matthijs

I have located a number of brokers in Swords and I will contact them. I will post the results here.

on_my_oe

mistress_gi wrote: »

I would recommend Axa or Allianz. I started with the first and am now with the second, maybe try a broker as well, like first ireland or equivalent. Be prepared to fork out ridiculous amounts of money on the first year!

Axa are more flexible towards foreign licences, and yes, it will be easier if you swap your licence.

I hold four licences, and I notice there was a quote difference between the UK and Irish quotes, and again the quotes were still higher on the other licences.

That's with 20 years driving experience, no claims or points and female (back when they could 'base their risk').

coylemj

on_my_oe wrote: »

Axa are more flexible towards foreign licences, and yes, it will be easier if you swap your licence.

I hold four licences, and I notice there was a quote difference between the UK and Irish quotes, and again the quotes were still higher on the other licences.

That's with 20 years driving experience, no claims or points and female (back when they could 'base their risk').

As another poster has stated, it's nothing to do with the licence, it's the lack of driving/insurance history.

What nobody has mentioned is that the OP is categorised as a migrant worker and they are considered a seriously bad risk. There have been other threads on the subject where Irish drivers moving to the UK get stuffed with mega quotes for insurance.

Matthijs

How do I lose the "migrant worker" status?
It sounds derogatory.

coylemj

Matthijs wrote: »

How do I lose the "migrant worker" status?
It sounds derogatory.

I appreciate that you don't like the 'migrant worker' tag but it's a literal fact - that's what you are.

You work in IT (which makes you very mobile), you're in your 30s, you don't have an Irish driving licence, you've been here less than a year, you live in rented accommodation, you're trying to insure a 9 year old 2 litre car.........

Sorry but most insurers would consider you a seriously bad risk. In the worst case scenario, you could have walked away from multiple convictions and/or disqualifications in other countries and that's probably what they're worried about.

biko

None of my foreign friends have ever been refused quotes so keep trying.
Foreign licence doesn't have as much bearing as no NCB. Once you have 4, 5, 6 years NCB you'll get quotes like 500 euro. Until then it'll be expensive.
Don't use online quotes, ring brokers and companies straight away.
Do Avaiva Ignition course.
Don't have a 2L car.

Matthijs

coylemj wrote: »

you live in rented accommodation, you're trying to insure a 9 year old 2 litre car.........

There is nothing wrong with these 2 things.

oldyouth

Matthijs wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with these 2 things.

Not on their own Mattijs, but when added to others aspects of your insurance profile, they don't help. As you have found out, there are illogical criteria when you try to find a reasonable insurance premium in Ireland. Get a good broker to sift through the red tape, contacting insurers directly or online only usually works for standard risks

Rado77

Matthijs wrote: »

Hi all,
For the second time in my life I have moved to Ireland to live and work.
This time I want to have a car, so I was thinking of getting one later this year.
I have been looking around on the internet to get car insurance quotes but with the insurers I have tried so far (around 5, among them Axa and Aviva) I always get the message that I "fall outside the criteria" and therefore I cannot be given a quote.
So I basically use these criteria:
-Full EU licence (Dutch)
-Licence had for 6 years
-No penalty points
-No convictions
-Been in Ireland less than 1 year
-No registered driving history in Ireland
-Tenant
-Employed
-IT Professional
-Living in Swords, Co. Dublin
-Age 34
-Car is Citroen Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Diesel 2005 (just for the example I use this car config)
-Car worth 3000 euro (again, example)
-Will drive less than 15,000 kms per year

So why do I fall outside the criteria?
I do have experience driving on the wrong left hand side of the road, both in LHD and RHD cars, as I have been driving around in the UK many times.

So anyone have any idea which insurer I can try?

Would The AA be more lenient, especially if I would become a member?

Thanks in advance.

Hi, try http://www.quoteme.ie/
I got my insurance from that website, with 0-years no claim bonus. I am 36. I managed to insure 170BHP Japanese Import car. The insurer name is XS Direct, so you can try http://www.xsdirect.ie/ as well. I have spent hours trying to find the right insurer, as all of them did not want to do that.
Best of luck.

Matthijs

Thanks for the links.
And how much do you pay if I may ask?

Matthijs

Lowest I get is 1,433 euro per year.
Still way too much.

It's so off-putting that I almost start to think this country and its businesses don't want my money.
Because there is no way I am gonna pay more than like 700-800 per year for a Xsara Picasso in Ireland.

I can insure that car in Holland for 30 per month.
I can insure a 4.0 litre Jaguar for like 60 per month there.

The risk calculation algorithm of Irish insurance companies is based on nonsense and bigotry.
Just because you are new to the country and a foreigner automatically means you can't drive (well).
I want a reasonable price, especially since I am better driver than most Irish drivers, who generally have no patience or discipline in traffic and have elevated speeding to a national pastime.

oldyouth

I presume OP that you are here because you are getting paid more for your talents than you would in other countries. Unfortunately, you have to accept our cost of living that goes with that

meathstevie

Matthijs wrote: »

Ok, just found this on RSA.ie:

If your stay in Ireland will be more than 12 months you can apply for an Irish driving licence but you will need to go through the full driver licensing procedure. You must first pass a driver theory test, apply for a learner permit, complete a course of Essential Driver Training(EDT) and pass your driving test in Ireland. If you pass your driving test, you can then apply for a full Irish driving licence.

That's completely incorrect; EU and community licences are fully exchangeable.It's simply a matter of filling in the paperwork and exchanging your EU licence for an Irish one. If you have a non-EU licence like for example a US, Korean, Saudi, Indian, Nigerian, Chinese etc etc you will need to pass the driving theory and practical test.

Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers

Korean licences are fully exchangeable here.

They do the same to Irish people who leave here for a few years. Same thing happened to me when I returned here, no quotes or outrageous quotes. Seeing as I don't drive very much I just get a loan of a car whenever I needs it and uses the owners insurance. A much cheaper solution.

Rado77

Matthijs wrote: »

Thanks for the links.
And how much do you pay if I may ask?

I pay E80 a month, so it is around a thousand a year.
You have to start from a scratch, if you want to stay in Ireland for a while.
Tighten the belt, start save some money and go for that.
I know it sounds a lot, but this is what it is. After a year you will get 1 year no claim bonus, and then you will have a better choice to find a cheaper insurance.

happypants

My boyfriend had the same trouble, he's just moved home from The Netherlands, he's Irish but lived over there for 4 years. Previous to this he lived in Ireland and drove a car insured for 4+ years but apparently this counts for nothing. He got ridiculous quotes or none at all. A lot of companies refused to even quote, like you said it's like they don't want the money! One quote he got was for €1,900! He's 29 years of age so hardly a boy racer.

In the end he got insured with Britton insurance for €1,100 for a
1.4 ltr Toyota corolla.

Moral of his story is if you're leaving the country don't cancel insurance just freeze it otherwise you're starting from scratch.

Also be prepared to pay through the nose.

oldyouth

happypants wrote: »

Moral of his story is if you're leaving the country don't cancel insurance just freeze it otherwise you're starting from scratch.

Also be prepared to pay through the nose.

You can't 'freeze' a policy beyond the subsequent renewal date. If you renew a policy without advising your insurers that you are now resident abroad, that will bring it's own problems

finnteme

Im finnish citizen, and never had problems getting insurance quotes.
Now on my 2nd claim free year, and just renewed, and paying 50 eur p month / 600 eur per year.
My first insurance was around 1500 p/year.
I have a full EU license, and my cars has been 1.4 l or smaller.

Fred Swanson

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oldyouth

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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It is an offence to obtain a motor insurance policy by deception. Sure go ahead if that's what you want to do

jonnyphant

Did the OP get his insurance quoted yet?
I have a Paraguay licence so am struggling to find an insurer that will take me on also.