Season 4 Episode 11 - Claimed [AMC] [SPOILERS]

NUTZZ

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EPISODE 11 - CLAIMED
February 23, 2014 on AMC
February 24, 2014 on Fox (UK)

"The arrival of three new survivors stirs up conflict between the scattered groups."

"Just when Rick thinks he's going to be able to relax, he's faced with multiple immediate threats. Other members of the group deal with their past."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcYPQfmE8QA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8Hezgn0nM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyonKGQMqTU

Cork boy 55

Since The Walking Dead is back from its winter hiatus, it has really shown signs of improvement. I can see now Scott Gimple’s touch and where he wants to take the show. As a new showrunner, he had to tie up the loose ends (aka The Governor, the prison, Rick’s behavior) before starting new storylines and developing its characters.
So now that Brian / Philip / whatever his name is dead, the prison is destroyed and Rick came back to his senses, the show can finally evolve, along with its characters. I’ve really been waiting for some characters to reveal themselves more, to open up to the others and for some other characters I just wish they could understand how stupid they acted or they could just die.
But my wait has finally paid ! Now, there are some major character developments, the survivors’ reactions and actions feel more sensible and understandable. Since “After”, I’m feeling even more involved with those characters and I really care about their fates.

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Hank Scorpio

Voted a 6, very little progression from last week

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Thought the scenes with Rick in the house were tense. We knew he was gonna make it out obviously, but pretty nailbiting all the same.

mrkiscool2

Very good episode IMO. Not quite at the heights of some of the best episodes (Clear, Too Far Gone) but definitely better than last week, and I gave that an 8. So it got a 9.

Nothing actually bad in the episode actually. I wasn't annoyed by anything

Apart from how easily the other gang got into the house, but hey, plotholes!

and a lot of good!

• The scenes with Rick in the house were intense. I knew he would be alright but wasn't sure if he would be caught or not. Very good.
• Even though the gang of men were together, they were very cutthroat-Man being shot in the knee for something, other guy choked out for a bed, hoping Michonne would come back so they could use her etc. Showing how you have to be aware of the dead and fear the living (the catchphrase of the comic)
• Michonne opening up more, and done in a better way than the Flashback earlier on. I enjoyed it, but it's nice to see some interaction to get the backstory!

• Yer wan taking down the directions for Glenn so he could get back to the bus was very nice. Wasn't sure if he told her about the bus but we can skim over that
• Abraham smiling as he killed the walkers is a very nice throwback to the comics and hopefully they go with it they way they did in the comics

SantryRed

ANother pointless episode. Show has completely lost its way.

LandoCalrissian

Disagree with it being a pointless episode - I quite enjoyed it

Some nice moments of suspense, some back stories explored

Don't know if its just me but for a moment I was unsure

if there were people in the house or if Rick was having a
flashback/bad dream

But hardly pointless if it leaves us knowing a little more about Michonne, not hating Carl as much and

sets up a new bad guy - Jeff Kober's character looks like a fairly
heartless [EMAIL="b@stard"]b@stard[/EMAIL] (guy sitting on the porch) who no
doubt they will bump into again

Also I liked the awkwardness of Dr. Porter

willmunny1990

Gave it a 6, it wasn't a bad episode but it wasn't great either. Two fairly slow episodes in a row now.

I also didn't really feel any tension in the house with Rick, it was obvious that nothing was going to happen to him. I think Ford and his gang are very cartoonish, not really to my liking.

Id love to see it get really dark and bleak like The Road with cannibals roaming around and maybe the sanctuary will be like 28 days later with an insane group wanting to use women to repopulate.

dave1982

Will someone please kill

Glenn

Grimebox

Eugene's incompetence was a bit irritating. The characters in this just don't feel real to me at all.

Watching True Detective after this just shows the vast void in quality between the two shows.

Cork boy 55

SO we have seven groups now!!!!


Rick Groups are heading to Terminus along rail lines

Carol group are heading to Terminus along rail lines about a day ahead of Rick

Beth and Daryl have gone in OPPOSITE direction on railway

Maggie group where last seen near Prison at bus.

Sgt Abes group are now 3 hours drive north of prison which could be anything from 30km to 150km plus


Gunmen
AND we have this band of gunmen as well who are headed by Jacob Hale from Sons of Anarchy fame. I think he'll be coming back. They wouldn't just hire the actor for one short scene in an episode ... maybe. So who are the gunmen are they connected to Terminus?


Terminus
If you look at a map of Georgia railway network Terminus maps up to Macon
A town Michone tried to go to earlier in show but had issues
Macon is about 85 miles from the county they are in now.

comicbook,blog wrote: »

Based on a look at the Terminus map from last night’s episode of AMC’s The Walking Dead, titled “Inmates,” it appears as though the as-yet-unseen story location is set in Macon, Georgia.
You can see the map from last night, side-by-side with a map of the state of Georgia, above. Click through for a larger version.

The map itself looks quite a bit like any one of a number of historical railroad maps of the state you can find online (Google Cram’s Railroad Maps of Georgia). Many of those maps use counties over cities as the larger designations, so Bieb would be featured more prominently than Macon–and there’s a Macon county that’s just close enough to the city to be confusing for out-of-state travelers–so that could explain the need for an alternate designation for the site.
The west side of Georgia has a very specific outline where it borders Alabama. You can see that outline in the image above (Georgia in its entirety seems to be shaded somewhat more darkly, although that could be just because there’s more detail in that portion of the map) and based on the location of Terminus relative to the border, Macon is the only city that seems to fit.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/02/17/the-walking-dead-is-terminus-in-macon-georgia/

Gunslinger92

Absolutely disagree about this episode being pointless! We learned more about Abraham and his group, their purpose in going to Washington - not pointless at all.
I liked that Michonne is beginning to open up more. Really like her!

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Gunslinger92 wrote: »

Absolutely disagree about this episode being pointless! We learned more about Abraham and his group, their purpose in going to Washington - not pointless at all.

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. We're learning more and more about all the characters. And a possible new group of bad guys were introduced with the Bikers. How is any of it pointless?

thegreengoblin

Grimebox wrote: »

Eugene's incompetence was a bit irritating. The characters in this just don't feel real to me at all.

Watching True Detective after this just shows the vast void in quality between the two shows.

I watch both shows and really enjoy them for what they are. But the only 'pointless' thing is to try and compare them. They are completely different shows, with different themes and stories. True Detective is a brilliant murder mystery/cop show. Walking Dead is a brilliant zombie apocalypse show. True Detective will run for eight episodes and that's it (albeit a new season with a different story). Walking Dead is into its fourth season. How can you compare them?

I enjoyed this week's episode, there was nothing pointless about it at all. There's a sense of hope being restored now that Abraham and his pals have come along. How could anyone not see that? I'm enjoying this season more than any. Long may it run.

Cork boy 55

One problem is the episodes are quite short 40 minutes
Maybe if it had 60 minute episodes (12 off instead of 16 per season)
and no mid-seasons break the episodes would have a better balance
and show would not lose momentum.... maybe

TWD is much better when you binge watch it.

Shane St.

That was the best episode of the 3 since the return. The scenes with Rick in the house w the group was intense and as others have said good to see Michonne open up a bit

Grimebox

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I watch both shows and really enjoy them for what they are. But the only 'pointless' thing is to try and compare them. They are completely different shows, with different themes and stories. True Detective is a brilliant murder mystery/cop show. Walking Dead is a brilliant zombie apocalypse show. True Detective will run for eight episodes and that's it (albeit a new season with a different story). Walking Dead is into its fourth season. How can you compare them?

I enjoyed this week's episode, there was nothing pointless about it at all. There's a sense of hope being restored now that Abraham and his pals have come along. How could anyone not see that? I'm enjoying this season more than any. Long may it run.

I compare them because they're both TV shows Both are essentially drama's about their respective characters. People constantly mention how TWD is about the survivors interact in this world, the apocalypse is secondary, exactly like how True Detective is largely driven by its characters.

I usually can enjoy TWD for what it is but when you have a character like Glenn for example; he is one of the main protagonists who a lot of people seem to hate now when I believe the writers want you to empathise with him. They are doing something very wrong if that is the fan's reaction. This isn't the first time TWD has done this either.

It might be best if a mod just banned from this forum since I constantly complain about this show :pac:

pixelburp

Pigtails, cut-offs and a bare midriff; what is this: The Walking Dead or Fallout? The mullet on Eugene was equally weird and this new trio look like they've walked on from another show altogether. It's not a bad thing as such, just hilariously incongruous when we go from one scene with Rick in his tattered, stained rags, then switch back to the red-state pin-up with her hands on her hips (complete with a scene where she bends down in front of the camera). Strange.

I'm keen to know more about Eugene because on the face of it, there's no way in hell I'm going to believe what he says is true; that he knows what caused the virus and that this mission to Washington is a legitimate scientific journey. Maybe if this were season 1 I'd buy it, but I've watched too much of this show and am confident this is yet another ploy by the writers to instil some false hope in the cast before a timely event occurs to grind them into the dirt once more.

That said, whilst I don't doubt it'd send fans into a tizzy if it really was true, I'd applaud the bravery of it if indeed Eugene was part of a plot to save the world; to finally introduce a genuinely high set of stakes, rather than this neverending aimless spiral of wandering. I've no knowledge of the comics, so equally no idea if this plot even exists from the pages, but I'm very curious.

Though as weird as all that was, it wasn't half as weird as seeing Michonne relaxed and full of chat & smiles. That was just damn unnerving. She's definitely grown on me now that the writers have decided to actually invest a little in her...

smcgiff

^^ yeah, what's Laura Croft doing in the walking dead, especialy with gratuitous bend over :-)

username123

Am I the only person who chortled in glee at the possibility that we might find out what caused it all?

I liked this ep, Glenn is one of my favourite characters, he is still a tough mofo standing up to über macho military man.

What's the gig with yer wan in the shorts though? Who dresses like that in the zombie apocalypse!

pixelburp

username123 wrote: »

Am I the only person who chortled in glee at the possibility that we might find out what caused it all?

I've no idea if the scientist is a character from the comics - and I kinda don't want to as well - but I seriously doubt the show has the nerve to undercut the thread of near-constant hopelessness with actual optimism. It has consistently punished anyone who makes the smallest kind deed; I doubt this is any different.

Wanderer2010

A very good episode in my opinion and pushing the story along at a nice pace, seems pretty obvious that this Terminus and whatever is in it will form the base for the season finale although its a tad annoying how slow this show can be in getting to its destination. The scenes with Rick were nail biting, yes we know he will survive but after all hes been through is he better off dead than becoming the soulless shell of a human hes destined to be.

One plot hole though: How did the scumbags who took over the house not hear Rick struggling with that guy he had to kill in order to get past him? They knocked over a load of bottles and banged loudly against the door, anyone would have heard that, even from downstairs.:rolleyes:

The scientist guy could have just told us there and then whats behind this virus and how he can fix it but no no, we probably wont hear the truth of that until season 6. Still enjoyed this ep though for suspense alone.

pookiesboo

The guy with the mullet looks like Toadfish from Neighbours.

Gunslinger92

Regarding Rosita and the way she's dressed

possible comic spoiler/don't read if you don't want to know about comic

She's a carbon copy from it, all three of them are, so I guess that's just the way it's meant to be :pac:

username123

pixelburp wrote: »

I've no idea if the scientist is a character from the comics - and I kinda don't want to as well - but I seriously doubt the show has the nerve to undercut the thread of near-constant hopelessness with actual optimism. It has consistently punished anyone who makes the smallest kind deed; I doubt this is any different.

Oh I don't really think we're finding anything out, but it's a good idea to throw the possibility of finding out in, alongside the usual wandering dead Atlanta killing zombies and encountering nefarious characters.

Flippyfloppy

smcgiff wrote: »

^^ yeah, what's Laura Croft doing in the walking dead, especialy with gratuitous bend over :-)

Cringeworthy!!

Dempsey

We'll never find out whats behind the virus.

He'll be about to explain the "classified" stuff and the slowest walker in the universe will pop out of nowhere!

Cork boy 55

Eugene and Rosita appearance is part of their character's history and behavior as I am sure will be made clear
minor minor comic spoiler

Eugene grew a mullet because he is a weak nerd and wanted to look tough after the biters turned up

Rosita has and will use her looks, sex and sexuality to survive, notice how she is already semi-flirting with Glenn.

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Good episode

The suicide family in the pink room was heavy , We have seen quite a few suicide scenes in the show now, although that is the worst.

See the way Rick left the door of the bathroom open thus setting up a biter bomb so he could escape. I would have gone Israel commando and nailed the three of them with the UZI like he killed the guys in the bar in season 2
that would have been class.
I have theory that these guys are actually good guys( maybe lol) and we will be seeing them again the leader of them is well known actor, the black one got a good luck at rick before he passed out.

Sgt Abraham is a great addition, good actor, great character.

Cork boy 55

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

(..)

One plot hole though: How did the scumbags who took over the house not hear Rick struggling with that guy he had to kill in order to get past him? They knocked over a load of bottles and banged loudly against the door, anyone would have heard that, even from downstairs.:rolleyes:

(...).

It was clearly a large well constructed house with a sound proofed bathroom.
In addition the gang where making all sorts of noise in the house
two of them just had a fight before that and a another guy was playing
bouncing a ball all over the place just before that as well.

Flippyfloppy

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

It was clearly a large well constructed house with a sound proofed bathroom.
In addition the gang where making all sorts of noise in the house
two of them just had a fight before that and a another guy was playing
bouncing a ball all over the place just before that as well.

Why was that dude sitting on the toilet seat with trousers unopened anyways

Cork boy 55

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Why was that dude sitting on the toilet seat with trousers unopened anyways

If you watch it again, the guy's boots are off, and against the wall by the toilet. There also appears to be some clothes on the floor there, too. I think he had probably just raided the drawers for some new threads, and had changed, or was about to change, his pants.

pixelburp

Considering Rick had ducked into the bathroom to avoid the other raider on the first floor - who was only next door in the bedroom - the fact nobody else heard the commotion in the bathroom was a bit wobbly, regardless of how 'well constructed' the house apparently was. You could hear voices downstairs and the tennis ball being bashed against surfaces, yet Ricks noisy wrestle in the bathroom wasn't heard by anyone? Naw, it was inconsistent at best; at the very least I expected someone to come knocking, calling after their comrade.

It wasn't deal breaker, just another one of those things that hampers the proper growth of tension because you realise the person won't get caught til the script says so. It's similar to how polite the walkers get when they grab one of the main cast, the tension rarely feels earned. Still a reasonable episode otherwise though...

TheGoldenAges

If they're heading to Macon I hope they show Lee Everett's parents pharmacy, it would be nice fan service for people who've played the game

Adamocovic

The whole storyline about going to Washington was really intriguing, was so disappointed when the truck was damaged! Would have loved a separate storyline of them going to Washington to find a cure (though I doubt they would find one)

Eoin247

Adamocovic wrote: »

The whole storyline about going to Washington was really intriguing, was so disappointed when the truck was damaged! Would have loved a separate storyline of them going to Washington to find a cure (though I doubt they would find one)

Completely agree. I said the same thing in the other TWD thread. Having an end goal storyline would be more interesting than the wandering they do now IMO.

jimmy5694

agreed, its not pointless episode however were learning more about Michone and the Abraham crew.

In an interview with the writer he said there will be new enemies in this series which have me thinking will it be the gang at the house where Rick had to escape or will it be Dr. Porter and his colleagues I didn't like his smile and his remark towards the end of the episode and will their ambition be a farce?, then again if i was a betting man it will be obviously the gang at the house.

In relation to the current location of the characters and predictions for the next episode I genuinely think they will meet back up together however as these story's roll I do think some-one will die who will it be? maybe no-one but there will be intense scenarios.

NUTZZ

I think we can all agree on one universal positive from this episode;

username123

NUTZZ wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one universal positive from this episode;

If ever I saw a red shirt.......

maximoose

Good episode - enjoyed it a lot

I liked the scenes with Carl and Michonne - I didn't really like her when she was first introduced in to the show as the badass who barely spoke, liking her a lot more now that her character is being worked.

I'm delighted Abraham is finally here. Cudlitz is doing well in the role I think, loved the "son of a dick!" line :pac:

Looks like a Daryll/Beth centric episode up next, but I'm hoping the groups get reunited next week so we can move on a bit with the story. Not really sure how they are going to mix the Washington/Sanctuary

Alexandria?

storylines but looking forward to it

As for the introduction of hope into the show

It shouldn't last long

Leftist

great episode. first time the show made me feel tense.

CPSW

Have to say I really enjoyed that episode, and the new episodes thus far. Liking the character development, especially with Michone, (she is human after all)!

Great tension during the scenes in the house with Rick under the bed and the new gang (who no doubt will be the main antagonists for the remainder of the series, you just know they will be back). The tagline used for the show of “Fight the Dead, Fear the Living” is appropriate here, from the talk of the gang as whom has “first dibs” on discovering Michone’s shirt in the house, reminded me of the gangs in the movie, The Road.

Abraham and his crew seem a welcome addition, I had initially thought he may be a bad guy similar to the Governor (I wouldn’t read the comics so am unaware of his back story etc), but from the latest episode it seems he just wants to be a hero who saves the world. I highly doubt it that his buddy Eugene (who you would think he would have learned to use that machine gun by now in a zombie apocalypse) has the answer to the outbreak!

All signs point towards the new camp at Terminus, looking to forward to see how it plays out along the way....

username123

maximoose wrote: »

As for the introduction of hope into the show

It shouldn't last long

Its not really hope though is it?

Even if we find out WHY it happened, its too late. Too much has happened. The world can never go back to where it was.

maximoose

True, the damage is well and truly done but knowing what caused it might lead to a cure for those still alive. Which isn't much I know.

It all made me think of Dr Jenner - that seems so long ago now it's almost like a different show.

username123

maximoose wrote: »

True, the damage is well and truly done but knowing what caused it might lead to a cure for those still alive. Which isn't much I know.

It all made me think of Dr Jenner - that seems so long ago now it's almost like a different show.

I think at this stage that finding out what caused it would just be a curiosity satisfying exercise.

Even if there was a cure, there would still be the problems of the post apocalyptic world without zombies - no structure, no government, no society, massive massive day to day risks from disease, starvation, lawlessness. Over time everything man made will run out, including bullets, and the specialised knowledge to make stuff without starting absolutely from scratch is gone.

Given how far its gone, there is a good chance that within a couple of generations humanity would be back to fighting each other with sticks and stones.

wonderfullife

username123 wrote: »

I think at this stage that finding out what caused it would just be a curiosity satisfying exercise.

Even if there was a cure, there would still be the problems of the post apocalyptic world without zombies - no structure, no government, no society, massive massive day to day risks from disease, starvation, lawlessness. Over time everything man made will run out, including bullets, and the specialised knowledge to make stuff without starting absolutely from scratch is gone.

Given how far its gone, there is a good chance that within a couple of generations humanity would be back to fighting each other with sticks and stones.

For me, this is an over-arching massive weakness in this show.

Relatively little time has passed since the outbreak. Yet everything (communications, government, order etc) collapsed.

This weakness is highlighted by the absolute inept danger the Walkers actually pose. Abraham laughs at them, walks towards them and takes care of them.

It is beyond ludicrous that given the threat they pose is so low, that all forms of military and Government have collapsed already. Even allowing for the fact in the early days people were unaware death = turn!

Our small band of heroes have managed to rack up a cumulative kill count in the thousands alone. If 8-10 people can do that, it's beyond ridiculous that the military might of the US army cannot combat this.

I suppose we all have to accept it as a basic conceit of the show. But i'd have an easier time accepting it if the Walkers posed some sort of threat. They've ceased to be a threat since season 2. Characters nonchalantly walk up to them and stick a knife in their heads!!

smcgiff

wonderfullife wrote: »

For me, this is an over-arching massive weakness in this show.

Relatively little time has passed since the outbreak. Yet everything (communications, government, order etc) collapsed.

This weakness is highlighted by the absolute inept danger the Walkers actually pose. Abraham laughs at them, walks towards them and takes care of them.

It is beyond ludicrous that given the threat they pose is so low, that all forms of military and Government have collapsed already. Even allowing for the fact in the early days people were unaware death = turn!

Our small band of heroes have managed to rack up a cumulative kill count in the thousands alone. If 8-10 people can do that, it's beyond ridiculous that the military might of the US army cannot combat this.

I suppose we all have to accept it as a basic conceit of the show. But i'd have an easier time accepting it if the Walkers posed some sort of threat. They've ceased to be a threat since season 2. Characters nonchalantly walk up to them and stick a knife in their heads!!

How many survivors are there, maybe it's only a few thousand. The US military may have been pretty much wiped out.

username123

wonderfullife wrote: »

I suppose we all have to accept it as a basic conceit of the show. But i'd have an easier time accepting it if the Walkers posed some sort of threat. They've ceased to be a threat since season 2. Characters nonchalantly walk up to them and stick a knife in their heads!!

I understand what you are saying but seeing as Ive bought into the walkers existing in the first place - Im willing to concede that in the early crazy days people got zombified before they knew what was happening.

However, where it falls down for me is the sheer numbers of walkers. Given the average kill rates per person, the time that has passed and a rough idea of numbers of survivors - theres way too many walkers continuously popping up!!

wonderfullife

smcgiff wrote: »

How many survivors are there, maybe it's only a few thousand. The US military may have been pretty much wiped out.

Survivors of what though?

It's been shown clearly that the "outbreak" didn't cause death. It's simply people died, they turned, and they killed others.

Struggling to see how there's less than 30 million left alive in the country on those terms.

We've seen at least 300 people in a small radius in Atlanta alone.

smcgiff

wonderfullife wrote: »

Survivors of what though?

It's been shown clearly that the "outbreak" didn't cause death. It's simply people died, they turned, and they killed others.

Struggling to see how there's less than 30 million left alive in the country on those terms.

We've seen at least 300 people in a small radius in Atlanta alone.

Initially, the virus or whatever might have killed 99% people outright, and the other 1% didn't die straight away but were infected. That's what I always assumed.

wonderfullife

Robert Kirkman wrote:

"The rule is WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you're dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie "virus."

I.e. There is no virus floating around the place that kills people. It's the zombie bite that transfers the pathogen causing the virus-like symptoms. And the reason they amputate e.g. Herschels leg.

So there should be no reason why so many are dead.

Kirkman also said "the ratio of zombies to humans is 5,000:1"

Which makes little sense either as there's been hundreds of real people in the show in a small Atlanta area despite the whole of Atlanta having a population of 430,000.

Anyway there's lots of internal logic issue with this.

I usually try ignore them.

But my point is - at least to make it more internally consistent, have the Walkers pose a threat!! It's cool to see Abraham laugh at them and dispatch them with ease but it makes a mockery of the threat they pose. (and a mockery of how so many people apparently got bitten in the early days!!)

Washington Irving

I always assumed that the infection that causes corpses to reanimate didn't actually kill anyone itself, it just turned people who had already died of other causes.

Somehow, everyone got 'infected' with the walker creating disease in a relatively short period of time. Then when people died and first started turning into walkers they killed a large amount of people as no one knew how to deal with them. By the time those still alive had developed somewhat reliable methods of killing walkers an extremely large amount of people (a majority of the population) had already turned. So in that sense, I think the biggest reason for the total collapse of government was the speed at which everything happened.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Kirkman also said "the ratio of zombies to humans is 5,000:1"

Which makes little sense either as there's been hundreds of real people in the show in a small Atlanta area despite the whole of Atlanta having a population of 430,000.

Anyway there's lots of internal logic issue with this.

I usually try ignore them.

I would expect a lower walker:human ratio in rural areas, but that 5000:1 thing seems way off alright. It would imply that by the law of averages there at are 86 survivors in Georgia, which even accounting for the largely rural setting, is way off.

But my point is - at least to make it more internally consistent, have the Walkers pose a threat!! It's cool to see Abraham laugh at them and dispatch them with ease but it makes a mockery of the threat they pose. (and a mockery of how so many people apparently got bitten in the early days!!)

Walkers individually don't pose much of a threat, especially to people like Abraham, their strength lies in numbers. I don't agree with your point on it making a 'mockery' out of how many people were bitten early on as no one knew how to deal with them and obviously the vast majority aren't going to be near as confident or able as Abraham (or the rest of the group after all their practise) in that sort of situation. Just try to imagine how people would have reacted to dead people coming back and trying to eat them, they aren't going to immediately think to destroy the brain, they'll just cry and run and sh1t themselves or the few that fight will shoot or stab at the torso and think the walkers are invincible.