Is Jose going too far?

gosplan

Latest comments about this being the worst Barca team for a long time are pretty disrespectful to an opponent that he really has nothing to do with.

I get he was asked a direct question but it wouldn't hurt to say 'other teams are closer to Barca' or 'they're not quite what they were'. That seems to be what others would do.

Similarly last week, of course he was asked about Wenger and only a snippet of his quotes were circulated but the whole 'specialist in failure' was a bit much.

Pretty much every other manager finds a way to comment on others without being so confrontational. What's with Jose?

Personally, I think, managerial genius aside, he seems a bit unhinged at the moment.

I don't think this will continue though. At some point it'll become embarrassing to Chelsea or the LMA will step in or something.

Pighead

gosplan wrote: »

Latest comments about this being the worst Barca team for a long time are pretty disrespectful to an opponent that he really has nothing to do with.

I get he was asked a direct question but it wouldn't hurt to say 'other teams are closer to Barca' or 'they're not quite what they were'. That seems to be what others would do.

Similarly last week, of course he was asked about Wenger and only a snippet of his quotes were circulated but the whole 'specialist in failure' was a bit much.

Pretty much every other manager finds a way to comment on others without being so confrontational. What's with Jose?

Personally, I think, managerial genius aside, he seems a bit unhinged at the moment.

I don't think this will continue though. At some point it'll become embarrassing to Chelsea or the LMA will step in or something.

Think people get a bit too worked up about what players/managers say sometimes. The game is designed to entertain and these little sideshows which Mourinho tends to become involved in only add to the entertainment factor. Give me a press conference with a manager saying something controversial over a bland 'yes/no/maybe' dullfest anyday.

DrumSteve

gosplan wrote: »

Latest comments about this being the worst Barca team for a long time are pretty disrespectful to an opponent that he really has nothing to do with.

I get he was asked a direct question but it wouldn't hurt to say 'other teams are closer to Barca' or 'they're not quite what they were'. That seems to be what others would do.

Similarly last week, of course he was asked about Wenger and only a snippet of his quotes were circulated but the whole 'specialist in failure' was a bit much.

Pretty much every other manager finds a way to comment on others without being so confrontational. What's with Jose?

Personally, I think, managerial genius aside, he seems a bit unhinged at the moment.

I don't think this will continue though. At some point it'll become embarrassing to Chelsea or the LMA will step in or something.

Id imagine he said that to put more pressure on city to beat them.

ronjo

DrumSteve wrote: »

Id imagine he said that to put more pressure on city to beat them.

Do people hear the comments and think

a) god, he is right.... they are pretty lousy arent they. Banker for City

or

b) wtf is he on about?

Worst Barca side in ages still managed to finish above his Madrid team

super_furry

He's the same bullsh1tter he's always been. The problem is that the British media lap it up and make out like he's some kind of Machiavellian because he insults Wenger. Both the press and the public in Spain saw through his pettiness and childish behaviour but for some reason they just lap it up in Britain.

cson

This 2013/2014 'worst' version of Barcelona is still better than 90% of teams. Compared to their 2008-2011 version maybe yeah.

Knex*

Wenger nailed it when he said that Jose's comments were more embarrassing for Jose and Chelsea than they were for himself and Arsenal.

He's becoming more and more classless I think as time goes on, simply because its not as 'easy' for him as his first two main jobs. (not getting into this but Porto job and time he joined Chelsea were fantastic conditions)

Theres more stuff from him too, so its easier for people to see his hypocrisy in some areas and his agenda is becoming clear as day.

Still a great manager, mind you.

cson

He's become ridiculous with the press when he's posed questions he doesn't want to be asked. I remember at the weekend there he was asked about the difference in performance from the League to the Cup match and he replies with a big thick head on him "Man City win, Chelsea lose".

Classless etc etc I'll be here all day if I was to give an accurate description of his abhorrent character :rolleyes:

keano_afc

He is an embarrassment, but its not helped by the press lapping all his bullsh*t up. He has his tongue so far up United's arse its laughable, he couldnt make it any more obvious that he wants the job.

Wenger is well able for him, his retort last week was up there with the "prettiest wife at home" comment from a few years ago.

super_furry

He does seem to be getting his excuses in early. Everyone should win the league but Chelsea, who if you were to believe him, are crippled by a lack of finances while the likes of Manchester City should be stopped spending their way to glory - the same way in which he made his name outside of Porto.

gosplan

What I'd say is that he's always been an abrasive character but the first time around, even though he was bumping my team (Arsenal) down the table, I liked the guy and found most of what he said to be fairly accurate. He was generally correct, told it like it was, and was a winner.

Now, even though he's still a winner, and his Chelsea team is top of the table, he's carrying on like he's being beaten constantly. There's a bitterness to his comments that wasn't there before.

As long as it doesn't turn any of his own players against him, then he really doesn't have a problem but i think you saw at Madrid that his camp is united while they're wining but problems set in if they're not. Then again Madrid is pretty unique for managerial turmoil so we probably can't take anything from that.

But yeah, you'd swear to god that the guy is getting beaten and just being childish about it but he's not, they're deservedly top of the league and he's done really well for his first season with a new bunch of players.

I guess for me if your manager and the spokesperson for your club is talking sh1t about everyone and you win the league, then it doesn't matter.

Turtwig

He has issues and the media in Britain keep on fueling him it's pathetic really. Character assassinations against Wenger and others need to be stamped out. There should be no place for them in any sport. Criticise the playing and managing not the people themselves.

DrumSteve

ronjo wrote: »

Do people hear the comments and think

a) god, he is right.... they are pretty lousy arent they. Banker for City

or

b) wtf is he on about?

B mostly, but I'd imagine thats what he was aiming for.

TBH any professional who lets a WUM like mourinho get under their skin needs to take a look at themselves.

messinkiapina

He was always a grouch. Getting crankier in his old age.

Kimbot

"The special one"

Yeah he is special, in the head!

Kess73

Mod Post: This turns into a mess, then the thread gets closed and cards start to fly.

weldoninhio

I think he is a parody of himself now, he remembers how the UK press lapped him up the first time and now he's chasing praise.

I find him pretty tiresome. I'm glad that Pellegrini just ignores him, i think that winds him up. And as said above, Wenger is well able for him.

Agent Coulson

Jose and the English media are suited for each other. Jose gives them the sound bites to fill the back pages and they love him for that and he loves the media for paying attention. Something the Spanish and Italian media didn't really do.

Oranage2

There was a time he did make things interesting, but now it's less charm and more obnoxious.

Francie Barrett

He is right though?

brevity

Kess73 wrote: »

Mod Post: This turns into a mess, then the thread gets closed and cards start to fly.

gosplan

Francie Barrett wrote: »

He is right though?

Yeah, that's the thing I find.

This is the weakest Barca team in a while and all those years without a trophy does represent a failure in some ways for Wenger.

But that's lost in the way he says things. It's just coming across as increasingly hostile and bitter.

He's definitely NOT the happy one anyway.

aliveandkicking

His strategy is simple and works well. He says things to focus attention on himself and other managers and teams thus taking any focus off his own team's players. The focus in the media is all about him and what he says and not a word about the players. This reduces the pressure on his team and has an added bonus of adding a bit of pressure to his rivals.

Don't like the guy but he gets results.

Turtyturd

brevity wrote: »

Remy done gone got his nose broken.

Mourinho will always have a complex when it comes to Barcelona...thread seems more like a chance to express outrage at his comments on Wenger though.

shano_88

Turtyturd wrote: »

Remy done gone got his nose broken.

Mourinho will always have a complex when it comes to Barcelona...thread seems more like a chance to express outrage at his comments on Wenger though.

Of course you would think that. :rolleyes:

.jacksparrow.

aliveandkicking wrote: »

His strategy is simple and works well. He says things to focus attention on himself and other managers and teams thus taking any focus off his own team's players. The focus in the media is all about him and what he says and not a word about the players. This reduces the pressure on his team and has an added bonus of adding a bit of pressure to his rivals.

Don't like the guy but he gets results.

Didnt work too well on saturday.

Strongbow10

keano_afc wrote: »

He is an embarrassment, but its not helped by the press lapping all his bullsh*t up. He has his tongue so far up United's arse its laughable, he couldnt make it any more obvious that he wants the job.

Wenger is well able for him, his retort last week was up there with the "prettiest wife at home" comment from a few years ago.

its so true, its hilarious really. Hes still auditioning for the job I reckon.

At the start of the season we saw a "different" Mourinho. Very downbeat and alot quieter in his initial press dealings when he got the Chelsea job.

He seemed to be doing everything a particular way (talking about developing youth, playing good football and also keeping his own nose clean and not spouting bile to all who would listen). These were all of the things United looked at and considered when rejecting him.

United saw themselves as being too classy to hire a man who would invariably end up reverting to type and making a show of the club with his own brand of PR.

Now I would argue Mourinho would have been perfect for that turbulent post Fergie era at United but thats for another day.

Mourinho soon left his new found calm and logic at the door and started spoofing once again when he found that its his best asset in order to take the heat off his players. Being confrontational and controversial in the media is what gives the man his edge.

But his brown nosing of Man Utd is particularly funny, he still aspires to the throne but simply the powers that be don't think he has any class and I definately applaud United for making a decision on principle. And the man has absolutely no record of staying anywhere too long either such are his methods akin to burning the candle at both ends in a managerial sense.

How did Chelsea fans feel about him offering himself up on a plate for the United job in the summer anyway? Theres been loads of fans delighted that hes back where he belongs, but surely they cannot be stupid enough to believe he's been eager for such a return above getting the United job?

ciaranmac

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Didnt work too well on saturday.

Struggling to think of a time when it ever worked.

fozz10

gosplan wrote: »

Latest comments about this being the worst Barca team for a long time are pretty disrespectful to an opponent that he really has nothing to do with.

I get he was asked a direct question but it wouldn't hurt to say 'other teams are closer to Barca' or 'they're not quite what they were'. That seems to be what others would do.

Similarly last week, of course he was asked about Wenger and only a snippet of his quotes were circulated but the whole 'specialist in failure' was a bit much.

Pretty much every other manager finds a way to comment on others without being so confrontational. What's with Jose?

Personally, I think, managerial genius aside, he seems a bit unhinged at the moment.

I don't think this will continue though. At some point it'll become embarrassing to Chelsea or the LMA will step in or something.

Who cares? people shouldnt listen to him if they dont agree with him or dont like him.

It is the weakest Barca team in a few years though is it not? By their standards of course.

His comments on Wenger were ott for sure. Great manager, little class.

Boom_Bap

I was suprised today when I read an article where he was actually talking about his players (Cole/Azpuilalphabet).

Paully D

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I was suprised today when I read an article where he was actually talking about his players (Cole/Azpuilalphabet).

This is exactly why he does it.

I don't know if I believe too much in the concept of "mind games" to be honest, but since he's started making these comments on Pellegrini, Wenger et al there's been little to no focus on Chelsea or their players despite the fact they are top of the Premier League and in the knockout stages of the Champions League. It's all been focused on Mourinho himself or on opposition sides, specifically Manchester City who are probably Chelsea's biggest challengers for the title (no disrespect to Arsenal).

I guess it's intended to take the pressure off the players.

Milkers

He is the worst Jose Mourinho he's ever been.

Paleface

He just spews ignorant remarks of late in an effort to garner attention from the media. I think deep down he must have some sort of complex about being liked.

The cheek of him to say that City have out spent Chelsea and have an advantage as a result.

Love this image courtesy of Arseblog.

Moneymaker

This is the same man that gouged another mans eye.

Stones. Glass houses.

WoollyRedHat

No way Jose.

weldoninhio

I don't buy the whole taking the spotlight off his team either. Wenger is in the Champs Lge, at the top end of the prem, and in the last 16 of the FA cup. His main striker has been busted having an affair, but he hasn't gone on the offensive. And as far as i can see theres no huge media pressure on him or his team.

Its just Mourinhios ego.

Rezident

Some (most nowadays) of the things Mourinho says do make him look pretty nasty and disrespectful alright but by now you should know that he is capable off saying almost anything, much of it is patently untrue and is merely done for effect and he probably doesn't even believe it himself.

He's like Dunphy, a lot of nonsense but great entertainment.

barone

it is purely to take attention away from what his team is doing/not doing

keane2097

Oranage2 wrote: »

There was a time he did make things interesting, but now it's less charm and more obnoxious.

Sums it up perfectly.

Rayne Wooney

This thread is going to get very nasty when Chelsea fans find it



On Mourinho he has some issues, the British press love it and keep giving him a medium to air his bollòx talk. He's one of the best managers around no doubt but as Wenger said it's pretty embarrassing the way he goes on.

KingdomYid

He is a joke at this stage. Gift Grub Jose might aswell take the interviews for him because at this stage he is liable to say anything.

dundalkfc10

Paully D wrote: »

This is exactly why he does it.

I don't know if I believe too much in the concept of "mind games" to be honest, but since he's started making these comments on Pellegrini, Wenger et al there's been little to no focus on Chelsea or their players despite the fact they are top of the Premier League and in the knockout stages of the Champions League. It's all been focused on Mourinho himself or on opposition sides, specifically Manchester City who are probably Chelsea's biggest challengers for the title (no disrespect to Arsenal).

I guess it's intended to take the pressure off the players.

Its 100% to take any pressure off his players really as nobody is talking about them as a team, just him. He has always done it. A top top manager

Turtyturd

KingdomYid wrote: »

He is a joke at this stage. Gift Grub Jose might aswell take the interviews for him because at this stage he is liable to say anything.

That's a good cue for someone to stick up the A*seshavin clip.

dfx-

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

This thread is going to get very nasty when Chelsea fans find it

On Mourinho he has some issues, the British press love it and keep giving him a medium to air his bollòx talk. He's one of the best managers around no doubt but as Wenger said it's pretty embarrassing the way he goes on.

When he has the latitude to butcher squads to his own style. No wonder he considers his second season to be his best.

niallo27

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Its 100% to take any pressure off his players really as nobody is talking about them as a team, just him. He has always done it. A top top manager

No one is talking about the arsenal players here just wenger. No one is talking about the city players either. Anyway these players are top of the league all expierenced with European medals, shouldn't they relish the pressure.

NukaCola

If you take this comment in isolation its nothing really but he offers some sensational/ridiculous headline almost weekly now. The press lap it up because thats how they sell papers in Britain. OTT Soundbites.

greendom

Fabregas "some people will have to shut up for a few days" - wonder how Mourinho will respond to that ?

super_furry

greendom wrote: »

Fabregas "some people will have to shut up for a few days" - wonder how Mourinho will respond to that ?

He'll probably call Wenger a creep then laugh about it with his press mates.

Grayditch

Amazing coach, and Chelsea have a super squad. Not sure why he has to be so insulting.

He's boring, now. He's the final season of Lost. He's Get Lucky by Daft Punk. He's WAAASSAAAAAAP.

He English media would flock around an old man pulling his pants down, so I dunno if he's as alluring as he thinks.