Good Shepherd Convent Sunday's Well Cork

V.W.L 11

Any idea what is happening with this place???after the fire in 2012 i heard little more about it except they would need to see was the shell structurally safe,would be interesting to know do they plan to re-develop it or demolish it?

omahaid

Last I heard is that KPMG are trying to find a buyer.

V.W.L 11

omahaid wrote: »

Last I heard is that KPMG are trying to find a buyer.

Were they not trying to do that before the fire in 2012???

beer enigma

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Any idea what is happening with this place???after the fire in 2012 i heard little more about it except they would need to see was the shell structurally safe,would be interesting to know do they plan to re-develop it or demolish it?

I believe it's structurally unsound but there are conditions relating to the sale of the land because of the history that is making the sale 'difficult'.

I'd hope it's new life will be sympathetic to it's past.

V.W.L 11

Andip wrote: »

I believe it's structurally unsound but there are conditions relating to the sale of the land because of the history that is making the sale 'difficult'.

I'd hope it's new life will be sympathetic to it's past.

I am trying to find more info on it,i know the 2003 fire resulted in demolition of part of it then,there are a few graves in site i believe???whats the asking price for it?st kevins is going for about €250k

Dob74

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Any idea what is happening with this place???after the fire in 2012 i heard little more about it except they would need to see was the shell structurally safe,would be interesting to know do they plan to re-develop it or demolish it?

What a waste. Does it have a resale value. A half destoryed listed building? Its a shame it cant be used as a museum or give it to UCC or some other public use.
The long building on the lee road being sold as apartments. Do people know the history of this place. Would be like buying an apartment built in Aushwitz

angeline

250k is reasonable for St Kevin's if you have a few bob to spare!

Red Nissan

Dob74 wrote: »

Do people know the history of this place. Would be like buying an apartment built in Aushwitz

Very good, I'd be afraid of the ghosts.

V.W.L 11

angeline wrote: »

250k is reasonable for St Kevin's if you have a few bob to spare!

Imagine the renovation costs!!i've no doubt it'd be ten's of millions of euro

Milly33

Another building I would think that they are just waiting to disappear so they can build more aparatments on it. Sure all these fires!! Me thinsk they start them myself..

There are still graves there in little nellies graveyard and I was told her statue is still there. There is suppose to be a mass grave there also of bodies shame on the HSE.

I would say there will be another fire there in the next couple of years getting rid of what is left of the building, then they will come in and build something mad like a Dublin Spire, or Apartments or something completely useless as per usually..

Disgrace they have left both these sites go to ruin

V.W.L 11

Milly33 wrote: »

Another building I would think that they are just waiting to disappear so they can build more aparatments on it. Sure all these fires!! Me thinsk they start them myself..

There are still graves there in little nellies graveyard and I was told her statue is still there. There is suppose to be a mass grave there also of bodies shame on the HSE.

I would say there will be another fire there in the next couple of years getting rid of what is left of the building, then they will come in and build something mad like a Dublin Spire, or Apartments or something completely useless as per usually..

Disgrace they have left both these sites go to ruin

Remember the previous fire in 2003???they had to demolish part of it that time,i think it was the laundry room,st kevin's is heading the same way I fear,i'd say there's more to the grounds of the good shepherd than we know,mass graves etc as you say.

Milly33

mmm there was suppose to be some building knocked down before and when clearing it away they found a few bones it wasn't close to the graveyard or anything so it sounded a bit dodge..

V.W.L 11

Milly33 wrote: »

mmm there was suppose to be some building knocked down before and when clearing it away they found a few bones it wasn't close to the graveyard or anything so it sounded a bit dodge..

could only be the laundry so I imagine,thats the only part that was knocked in recent times to the best of my knowledge,but yes I heard the story of the remains just not as a result of the demolition,cant find any close up shots of it post the 2012 fire,the place is like fort knox I heard.you cant get in or out

Milly33

theres ways

boardsuser1

Neil Prendeville mentioned something about little Nellie and her grave today.

I didn't realise the convent and grounds were still accessible.

Is this building structurally unsafe?

Milly33

They arent really accessible just like if you manage it, there is a lot of cameras around

boardsuser1

Milly33 wrote: »

They arent really accessible just like if you manage it, there is a lot of cameras around

Interesting. Look at RedFM on twitter or facebook and you'll see a few photos. Recently apparently. Between the good shepherd and st Kevin's it will be a case of which will fall first.

Milly33

Maybe he had permission to get in there. It isnt normally open to everyone

boardsuser1

Milly33 wrote: »

Maybe he had permission to get in there. It isnt normally open to everyone

Isn't it in the hands of receivers? Are they known to grant permission in cases like this?

Milly33

In cases like what, sorry.. If you mean for someone from a radio station probably yeah

flo8s967qjh0nd

It was very recently sold again. Hopefully some progress there soon.

boardsuser1

Milly33 wrote: »

In cases like what, sorry.. If you mean for someone from a radio station probably yeah

In cases like an ordinary joe soap going in there. He wasn't from the radio station.

boardsuser1

Channing Mango Windmill wrote: »

It was very recently sold again. Hopefully some progress there soon.

Interesting. Is the shell of the building even stable I wonder. I live less than a mile from it yet have never been on the grounds.

boardsuser1

The latest I've heard on this is that a residents meeting has been called in blarney street regarding the development of the site.

Is the convent building structurally sound for such development?

Milly33

Id say not. Just saw the plans there... Gues what they are going to do with it, go on.. Bet ye cant? http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/240-apartment-plan-former-good-shepherd-convent-site/2607561/

boardsuser1

Milly33 wrote: »

Id say not. Just saw the plans there... Gues what they are going to do with it, go on.. Bet ye cant? http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/240-apartment-plan-former-good-shepherd-convent-site/2607561/

It looks very clear that the original building is being kept.
Are they removing sections of it in the centre/rear?

boardsuser1

Neil Prendeville was just talking to people objecting to proposals to redevelop the site.

The work on this place won't get off the ground anytime soon.

boardsuser1

The convent is back in the news.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Sundays-Well-convent-plans-are-amended-06faf771-139d-41d1-8cea-ca3d3cea7db2-ds

boardsuser1

More than 100 people turned out at a meeting opposing the latest proposal for the good shepherd convent.

699 people live in the general locality surrounding the building and if the proposal were to be developed as proposed it would bring 900 extra people into the area.

As someone living nearby i half see their point.

It's a very tight area with the only bus passing the building being a tour bus.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Good-Shepherd-apartment-plan-is-labelled-ludicrous-by-residents-d8819f54-936e-40bb-a525-45687ce51450-ds

mire

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

More than 100 people turned out at a meeting opposing the latest proposal for the good shepherd convent.

699 people live in the general locality surrounding the building and if the proposal were to be developed as proposed it would bring 900 extra people into the area.

As someone living nearby i half see their point.

It's a very tight area with the only bus passing the building being a tour bus.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Good-Shepherd-apartment-plan-is-labelled-ludicrous-by-residents-d8819f54-936e-40bb-a525-45687ce51450-ds

Cork city needs;

- housing
- population increase
- densification
- to redevelop vacant sites

this is an important site in this respect; its potential should be maximised and anything under 200 units is irresponsible. imo.

whisky_galore

The security and privacy issues... they ever hear of things called curtains?

They're willing to accept oldies to move there, but not anyone else.

namloc1980

NIMBYism at its finest. We need urban residential development. If the residents want privacy they need to realise they're living in the middle of a city.

boardsuser1

namloc1980 wrote: »

NIMBYism at its finest. We need urban residential development. If the residents want privacy they need to realise they're living in the middle of a city.

What the residents themselves say about privacy etc i don't agree with.

How tight the streetscape is for extra traffic etc is the main thing.

I don't condone NIMBYism in any way shape or form.

I live next to Apple, that place is a building site for a number of years now, it's for the betterment of the city, on with it.

Goldmund

Tend to agree with Mire.

Also not sure how 200 units would lead to an increase of 900 people in the locality?

Couldn’t there be a new bus route?

boardsuser1

Goldmund wrote: »

Tend to agree with Mire.

Also not sure how 200 units would lead to an increase of 900 people in the locality?

Couldn’t there be a new bus route?

The number 211 bus used to go along that general area but doesn't operate any longer.

While a bus can and does turn from Sunday's well up to Convent Avenue, the only real place they can stop is outside the gaol.

Coming back down Strawberry Hill onto Shanakiel road in itself can be difficult for a car, let alone a bus, and only recently a bus crashed/had an accident there.

I assume that they don't expect all the units to be single occupancy hence the figure of 900.

However that would mean an average of over 4 per unit which seems a bit much.

Sardines in a sardine can comes to mind.

Goldmund

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

The number 211 bus used to go along that general area but doesn't operate any longer.

While a bus can and does turn from Sunday's well up to Convent Avenue, the only real place they can stop is outside the gaol.

Coming back down Strawberry Hill onto Shanakiel road in itself can be difficult for a car, let alone a bus, and only recently a bus crashed/had an accident there.

I assume that they don't expect all the units to be single occupancy hence the figure of 900.

However that would mean an average of over 4 per unit which seems a bit much.

Sardines in a sardine can comes to mind.

Scaremongering also comes to mind

mire

Goldmund wrote: »

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

The number 211 bus used to go along that general area but doesn't operate any longer.

While a bus can and does turn from Sunday's well up to Convent Avenue, the only real place they can stop is outside the gaol.

Coming back down Strawberry Hill onto Shanakiel road in itself can be difficult for a car, let alone a bus, and only recently a bus crashed/had an accident there.

I assume that they don't expect all the units to be single occupancy hence the figure of 900.

However that would mean an average of over 4 per unit which seems a bit much.

Sardines in a sardine can comes to mind.

Scaremongering also comes to mind

Average household size is about 2.2

boardsuser1

mire wrote: »

Average household size is about 2.2

The figures are well off then

Goldmund

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

The figures are well off then

From 2011 census for cork city:

29.3% of households are single person

18.2% couples with no children

23.4% couples with children

11.8% lone parent family

Average number of children per family = 1.2 (versus national average of 1.4)

snotboogie

Approved for 180 units apparently

boardsuser1

I dread the traffic congestion.

mire

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I dread the traffic congestion.

we need to get real about urban development in this city.

one way to deal with traffic congestion is to develop urban areas at medium to high densities. these developments support public transport, walking and cycling. using that site for low density development would be criminal. 180 units is probably too low imo. should be 250 plus.

namloc1980

mire wrote: »

we need to get real about urban development in this city.

one way to deal with traffic congestion is to develop urban areas at medium to high densities. these developments support public transport, walking and cycling. using that site for low density development would be criminal. 180 units is probably too low imo. should be 250 plus.

As we've seen with this and the Nemo Rangers development, the NIMBYs and local councillors don't want that and so you'll end up with a fudge.

snotboogie

snotboogie wrote: »

Approved for 180 units apparently

Media reporting it now (through the usual NIMBY prism)
PLANNING APPROVE FOR GOOD SHEPARD CONVENT DEVELOPMENT

boardsuser1

They'll need to organise a regular bus service if this goes ahead, as a local resident i hope it does despite the NIMBYism.

That land needs to be put back into active use.

while i have never been on these grounds, it is my understanding that access to the site is almost impossible, even the gates are welded shut.

whisky_galore

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

They'll need to organise a regular bus service if this goes ahead, as a local resident i hope it does despite the NIMBYism.

That land needs to be put back into active use.

while i have never been on these grounds, it is my understanding that access to the site is almost impossible, even the gates are welded shut.

There's nearly always some way in, vandals don't need to use gates.

boardsuser1

whisky_galore wrote: »

There's nearly always some way in, vandals don't need to use gates.

That's why i said 'almost impossible'

From an enthusiast point of view i wouldn't mind gaining access.

boardsuser1

Can't say i'm surprised at the objections.

I'd love to get up close to the building itself, never had the opportunity.

What do they mean by partial demolition though?

Leave the damn structure in one piece.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0123/935259-magdalene/

rebs23

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Can't say i'm surprised at the objections.

I'd love to get up close to the building itself, never had the opportunity.

What do they mean by partial demolition though?

Leave the damn structure in one piece.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0123/935259-magdalene/

Is the building stable enough to leave in one piece?, I doubt it after everything that has happened to it over the last few decades while it has lain empty.

boardsuser1

rebs23 wrote: »

Is the building stable enough to leave in one piece?, I doubt it after everything that has happened to it over the last few decades while it has lain empty.

The building itself is in the developers plans so i assume it must be, the partial demolition appears to relate to a small section to make an adjoining bridge to another building they are proposing to build at the back of it, from the plans i seen online that's the impression i get.

St Kevin's might end up going the same way, the report on that building is that it's safe from demolition also.

the dark phantom

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That's why i said 'almost impossible'

From an enthusiast point of view i wouldn't mind gaining access.

Hop the gate on the left at the top of Buxton Hill.