MSB St. Patrick's Festival 5k - 16th March 2014

Krusty_Clown

Didn't see a thread anywhere for this one. It's €15 (+ €0.90c) by 14th February, after which point it goes up to €20 (+ €0.90c).
Link: here
Registration: here
Map: here

This race has rated pretty well in the past, though there are a lot of twists and turns on the course.

digger2d2

I wonder will the technical top be Bloom, Donard, Russell?

Krusty_Clown

digger2d2 wrote: »

I wonder will the technical top be Bloom, Donard, Russell?

Took me a few seconds! The standard of proof-riding in this country is shicking!

Shane O' Malley

Did this race a few years ago but can't remember if i got the number posted or picked it up before the race.

Cant find that info anywhere. I have a group going to do the run and need to get organised.

Anyone know what is the story?

Cheers

Shane

RayCun

number pickup is usually in the Mansion House morning of the race

Timmaay

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

This race has rated pretty well in the past, though there are a lot of twists and turns on the course.

Excellent race, well worth going to. Just on the twists and turns, can't say they hinder you much, I've seen plenty worse courses, its good and wide at all parts at least. Definitely a pb course in my view, maybe not the same potential as say rathfarmham but that does have a net downhill.

fletch

Just got the following email

Dear Participant,

Thank you for entering the St Patrick’s Festival 5k kindly sponsored by Kleinworth Benson Investors in association with Dublin City Council on Sunday 16th March 2014 at 12:00 noon.

Your race number will be sent to you by post. Expect delivery By Tuesday the 11th of March. Please do not forget to bring it with you on the day! Ensure it is worn on front upper chest,

Chip is attached to Bib. NO TRI BELTS.

Race HQ is in the Mansion House on Dawson Street where you can collect your goodie bag and tee shirt. Presentation of awards and refreshments will also be in the Mansion House.

We will have musical entertainment, face painting and free entry to the Big Day Out on Merrion Square for all participants. If family or friends wish to enter after the online closing date March 14th they can do so on the day in the Mansion House. You can view the course map by logging on to www.msbac.ie However, this is the race route.

Start at No 17 St Stephens Green / Dawson St Junction.

Proceed on Merrion Row to Baggot St.

About turn Baggot St / Fitzwilliam St Junction,

Left on to Pembroke St, 1k mark (Fitzwilliam Sq. North junction Pembroke St).

Left on Fitzwilliam Square South,

Left on to Fitzwilliam Street,

Right on to Baggot Street,

Left on to Herbert Street,

Right onto Mount St passing around Pepper Canister Church, 2k mark

Right on to Herbert Place

Cross Baggot St Street

Follow along Wilton Terrace

Cross over Leeson St at Bridge 3k mark

Adelaide Road (3k mark)

Right on to Earlsfort Terrace

Right on to Leeson Street

Left on to Pembroke Street 4k mark

Left on to Merrion Row

Finish at No 17 Stephen's Green

Please arrive early enough to enjoy the entertainment, festival occasion, warm up and parade of motor cycles. We need all participants in position on St Stephen’s Green by 11:50am.

fletch

Anyone get their number in the post?? I never received mine

Shane O' Malley

Yes, got my number.

I think you can get it sorted on the day at the mansion house.

Shane

mrsdewinter

Hi there - I'm a bit of a noob at these things... is there a bag-drop facility?

huskerdu

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Hi there - I'm a bit of a noob at these things... is there a bag-drop facility?

There was 2 years ago, but it was a shed behind the Mansion House and the level of staff didn't look great. Its useful to have, but I wouldn't be leaving my smart phone in the bag.

mrsdewinter

huskerdu wrote: »

There was 2 years ago, but it was a shed behind the Mansion House and the level of staff didn't look great. Its useful to have, but I wouldn't be leaving my smart phone in the bag.

Cheers - I'll take that on board and bring a case for my phone. All I'll have in the bag is a change of clothes for the blow-out brunch.
Again, thanks for that!

LaHaine

Any results about yet?

Bit windy but a very enjoyable run!

menoscemo

LaHaine wrote: »

Any results about yet?

Bit windy but a very enjoyable run!

They're on precision timing.

eldiva

was the course short or just very fast. seemed like there was 20 runners under 16 min

LaHaine

Am I right in saying gross time is gun time. Net is your chip time?

menoscemo

LaHaine wrote: »

Am I right in saying gross time is gun time. Net is your chip time?

the faster time is your chip time.

drquirky

eldiva wrote: »

was the course short or just very fast. seemed like there was 20 runners under 16 min

Had course at 3.12 on my GPS- that said was net downhill and real fast.

fletch

First 5k of 2014 & beat my PB by 27secs, so first time sub 18
It was flat and any uphill sections it seemed like the wind was on my back pushing me up.

eoinín

Thanks to the organisers and volunteers for a very enjoyable well organised race. There's not too many city centre races and no others I know of that let you swan around in the mansion house afterwards!

Bungy Girl

Great race, superbly organised - can't be an easy feat to close down so many roads in the city centre so well done to the host club and all involved. Fast course too, delighted with my PB

KCY76

drquirky wrote: »

Had course at 3.12 on my GPS- that said was net downhill and real fast.

I had it at 3.04 miles which is over 100m short.

Shane O' Malley

Is it just me or did alot of the chips not work. Mine did not and looking at the results around me, lots of others did not.

Shane

thirstywork2

I can't get my head around some of those times today,must have been a very fast course.
Wasn't the same as last year with roadworks I take it?

pconn062

Unreal run by Catherina McKiernan, 15:58 for 2nd lady home.

RayCun

pconn062 wrote: »

Unreal run by Catherina McKiernan, 15:58 for 2nd lady home.

She seems to be racing a lot recently? Coming out of retirement?

Ososlo

pconn062 wrote: »

Unreal run by Catherina McKiernan, 15:58 for 2nd lady home.

I saw her in the queue for the toilets before hand. She was in a tizzy! Was trying to get to the loo at about 11:50 and there were huge queues so followed me into the disabled toilet when I beckoned her over. She mightn't have made the start line only for that
She looked in amazing shape.

pconn062

RayCun wrote: »

She seems to be racing a lot recently? Coming out of retirement?

I've noticed that too. Even at her age she could easily be competitive at national level.

drquirky

pconn062 wrote: »

I've noticed that too. Even at her age she could easily be competitive at national level.

Yup. She's flying right now. I had her by a couple secs in Raheny but she beat me by 10secs today- just looks so smooth etc. Trashed Michelle McGee(Sis Pearse) and a pretty decent female field. Guess class never goes away.

Tombo2001

pconn062 wrote: »

I've noticed that too. Even at her age she could easily be competitive at national level.

to be honest I'd expect that.....she was one of the best in the world in her twenties and thirties, so I'd still expect her to be one of the best in Ireland in her forties if she trains for it....same as Sonia I'd imagine....or Roy Keane could still be playing for Ireland if he wanted to I'd guess.

Having said that, its a real buzz for your joe soap runner to be lining up alongside her.

Krusty_Clown

KCY76 wrote: »

I had it at 3.04 miles which is over 100m short.

Did you by any chance cut the curbs? I noticed a fair bit of that going on. My GPS tracklog is so horrifically inaccurate (zoom in) that I couldn't trust the length or mile-splits. I'm guessing that most other peoples GPS tracklogs will be similarly inaccurate (particularly with that U-turn bend). Races that take place surrounded by tall buildings are not good GPS-watch material. Why don't you post yours and we can take a look?

Shane O' Malley

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Did you by any chance cut the curbs? I noticed a fair bit of that going on. My GPS tracklog is so horrifically inaccurate (zoom in) that I couldn't trust the length or mile-splits. I'm guessing that most other peoples GPS tracklogs will be similarly inaccurate (particularly with that U-turn bend). Races that take place surrounded by tall buildings are not good GPS-watch material. Why don't you post yours and we can take a look?

My garmin seemed to be very steady. Measured it at 4.95km

Krusty_Clown

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

My garmin seemed to be very steady. Measured it at 4.95km

Give us a Garmin Connect URL.

Shane O' Malley

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Give us a Garmin Connect URL.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/462360655

Shown as 5 km but original reading was 4.95. Changed it to 5 so it would be recorded as new PB

Krusty_Clown

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/462360655

Shown as 5 km but original reading was 4.95. Changed it to 5 so it would be recorded as new PB

You need to change the permissions. Cheers!

Shane O' Malley

Try it again

Krusty_Clown

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

Try it again

Computer says no!

Shane O' Malley

Sorted (I think)

Krusty_Clown

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

Sorted (I think)

Yep, working now. If you zoom in on your tracklog, you'll see that:
You turned back on the U-Turn around 5m before we actually did on the course (10m shortcut).
You barely ran on Pembroke Street at all
You cut corners on Fitzwilliam Square
You ran through a building into Herbert Street
You took a chunk off, by running through the Eye and Ear Hospital
Joining Pembroke Street for the second time, you ran through several buildings taking a good chunk off the course, before staggering drunkenly to the finish line.

Not suggesting that you did any of the above things, just pointing out that GPS signals are just not reliable on courses which are surrounded by tall buildings. I've seen the same thing in Berlin marathon, New York marathon, Chicago marathon. Unfortunately, until these devices get more accurate, we just have to trust in the official course measurers, or go back afterwards with a measuring wheel or a Jones Counter.

Emer911

Had a great race today. Kudos to the organisers and marshals who put it all together.

As Krusty said, the garmin was reading short but looking at the track log it's easy to spot where it had trouble. I'm very happy that my shiny new PB was run on a properly measured course, thank you! :cool:

PVincent

World best for 5k track over 40 is 15.20.....over 45 is 15.55... Catherina is 44 I think. So to an outsider , she clearly seems to be doing a bit more than casual training. Will be interesting to see if she might be tempted by the marathon. I think she would go close to 2.30 still.

Shane O' Malley

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Yep, working now. If you zoom in on your tracklog, you'll see that:
You turned back on the U-Turn around 5m before we actually did on the course (10m shortcut).
You barely ran on Pembroke Street at all
You cut corners on Fitzwilliam Square
You ran through a building into Herbert Street
You took a chunk off, by running through the Eye and Ear Hospital
Joining Pembroke Street for the second time, you ran through several buildings taking a good chunk off the course, before staggering drunkenly to the finish line.

Not suggesting that you did any of the above things, just pointing out that GPS signals are just not reliable on courses which are surrounded by tall buildings. I've seen the same thing in Berlin marathon, New York marathon, Chicago marathon. Unfortunately, until these devices get more accurate, we just have to trust in the official course measurers, or go back afterwards with a measuring wheel or a Jones Counter.

True, not suggesting that the course was short. My friends garmin had it at 4:82 .

The buildings would explain the bruises though.

As someone said earlier, always difficult to get a good track with so many high buildings about but on average it was pretty accurate.

Krusty_Clown

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

True, not suggesting that the course was short. My friends garmin had it at 4:82 .

To be honest, I'm not sure that it was long, short, or exactly right. My watch recorded it slightly short, but I know that my watch doesn't record exactly what I run (my tracklog has me running through so many buildings I'm changing my username to Wreck it Ralph). I've plenty of first-hand experience with the limitations of consumer GPS devices in built-up areas though, and just know that they cannot be trusted in an environment such as this one. We will no doubt get a dozen more reports of a short course before Paddy has been put to rest, but we can only hope that the course was officially measured. I believe I spotted one of the official AAI course measurers on the course as I ran the race, so hopefully that's the case. GPS watches must be the bane of their lives.

mrsdewinter

Hi there - I managed to find my chip time from the results pinned up on the wall yesterday. But are the results available anywhere online? Tried the club's website (msbac.ie) but the results seem to be a few weeks out of date. Is there another resource I can try?

Shane O' Malley

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Hi there - I managed to find my chip time from the results pinned up on the wall yesterday. But are the results available anywhere online? Tried the club's website (msbac.ie) but the results seem to be a few weeks out of date. Is there another resource I can try?

Results on on persicion timing website.

TRR

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Yep, working now. If you zoom in on your tracklog, you'll see that:
You turned back on the U-Turn around 5m before we actually did on the course (10m shortcut).
You barely ran on Pembroke Street at all
You cut corners on Fitzwilliam Square
You ran through a building into Herbert Street
You took a chunk off, by running through the Eye and Ear Hospital
Joining Pembroke Street for the second time, you ran through several buildings taking a good chunk off the course, before staggering drunkenly to the finish line.

I have a friend who would have an aneurysm if he read this. As well as the known errors with GPS watches. Google Maps, OpenStreetMap and bing maps also have limitations as these maps are projected into long/lat coordinates so they can be read by joe soaps like us. These projections have some mathematical loss so there is an error in their display. So in essence the trace may actually be OK but the maps may be the issue!

Well done yesterday by the way, great stuff.

mrsdewinter

Shane O' Malley wrote: »

Results on on persicion timing website.

Thanks very much for that.

eldiva

thirstywork2 wrote: »

I can't get my head around some of those times today,must have been a very fast course.
Wasn't the same as last year with roadworks I take it?

Neither can I. Race started/finished on Stephen's green and went further up baggot st and did a sharp 180. Other than that same course

eldiva

Is there any pics of the race floating around that I can have a look at?

Krusty_Clown

TRR wrote: »

I have a friend who would have an aneurysm if he read this. As well as the known errors with GPS watches. Google Maps, OpenStreetMap and bing maps also have limitations as these maps are projected into long/lat coordinates so they can be read by joe soaps like us. These projections have some mathematical loss so there is an error in their display. So in essence the trace may actually be OK but the maps may be the issue!

Sure, but looking at the tracklogs in isolation of the maps, you can see the large amount of error/inaccuracy. This is greater than your typical race, as almost the entire race takes place surrounded by tall (by Irish standards!) buildings.

eldiva wrote:

Race started/finished on Stephen's green and went further up baggot st and did a sharp 180. Other than that same course

I didn't realize that this was the only change. I measured the race using off-line mapping tools and it comes out at 5km. However, comparing just the start/finish of the routes used in 2009 and 2014, I get approximately a 50m difference (2009 being longer). But again, it's hard to determine exact placement of start/finish areas, whether the original 2009 route was long and if the start/finish areas were at different places or moved during the race. Best solution would be for someone in MSB to find out if the course was officially measured and if the start/finish area was located as per the measurer's instructions.

ultrapercy

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Sure, but looking at the tracklogs in isolation of the maps, you can see the large amount of error/inaccuracy. This is greater than your typical race, as almost the entire race takes place surrounded by tall (by Irish standards!) buildings.


I didn't realize that this was the only change. I measured the race using off-line mapping tools and it comes out at 5km. However, comparing just the start/finish of the routes used in 2009 and 2014, I get approximately a 50m difference (2009 being longer). But again, it's hard to determine exact placement of start/finish areas, whether the original 2009 route was long and if the start/finish areas were at different places or moved during the race. Best solution would be for someone in MSB to find out if the course was officially measured and if the start/finish area was located as per the measurer's instructions.

Id say its highly unlikely that a race of this stature, organised by a reputed club and backed by the AAI was not measured correctly. Times were fast for sure but a favourable course (slight downhill as opposed to steep down hills) with a favourable tailwind and a deep quality field probably accounts for the fast times. John Travers ran 14:07 which is quality but not unbelievable for an athlete of his ability. McKeirnans time came as a surprise but with her pedigree maybe nothing should shock. Britton ran as well as youd expect, if she was giving it a proper go, which she had to do considering the oppostion. Il be entering this one next year myself I think as it seems like a pb course on a good day.