How good is Dacia range?

TestLink

I would like to purchase either Dacia Duster or DACIA Logan Estate for me and DACIA SANDERO Hatchbackfor my wife. But dont know anything about Dacia brand.

How good is Dacia range?

Is any of these available in Automatic transmission?

How is the maintenance and reliability. Any help greatly appreciated.

Notch000

They are a new brand, so reliability is unknown. Common sense would suggest they would be ok at best. They are back by renault who dont have the best build quality in the world themselves, They are very cheap and plain and would probably install zero street credit or self confidence, probably really low on the scale of driving pleasure too, Cheap and all as they are I would imagine the depreciation on they will be chronic.

biko

There's a big thread on Dusters already here you can have a read of.
As to general reliability for the brand I don't know.

TBi

Notch000 wrote: »

They are a new brand, so reliability is unknown.

They are not a new brand, been selling over in eastern europe for years.

Cheap and cheerful cars, the new ones are quite reliable but very cheap. I'd prefer to buy a second hand car myself unless you really need a new one.

TestLink

Thanks guys...

galwaytt

Notch000 wrote: »

They are a new brand, so reliability is unknown. Common sense would suggest they would be ok at best. They are back by renault who dont have the best build quality in the world themselves, They are very cheap and plain and would probably install zero street credit or self confidence, probably really low on the scale of driving pleasure too, Cheap and all as they are I would imagine the depreciation on they will be chronic.

....all conjecture unless you've owned one.

gallag

Think Renault, shudder.

Now think budget Renault, :-0

That's like aldi opening a down market shop ffs.

wildefalcon

gallag wrote: »

Think Renault, shudder.

Now think budget Renault, :-0

That's like aldi opening a down market shop ffs.

Not fair, some Aldi stuff is quite good!

gallag

wildefalcon wrote: »

Not fair, some Aldi stuff is quite good!

That's the point, some aldi stuff is Ok, but imagine them opening a new budget outlet for stuff not good enough to sell in aldi. Some things, like Renault don't need a budget brand lol.

Henry Ford III

This one didn't survive long - it got totalled in Bunratty yesterday.

Nonoperational

Pfft... wouldn't see a Golf give in like that.

Mycroft H

Would have bounced off the roof of a Saab.

dmc17

Henry Ford III wrote: »

This one didn't survive long - it got totalled in Bunratty yesterday.

Stavros Murphy

I'd say it's a case of "do the maths". If they sell for 15k or less, and that encompasses c.a.30% tax, that's around the 10k mark, ish. The dealer takes a grand or two, so 8k, it costs 500 to ship it..that's 7.5k..they need to make a bob or two, so 4k, with adds, R&D, overheads, blah blah,there's fixed costs like tyres..so they're making them for 2-3k tops. How much car does 2-3k make? Not too much, I'm guessing. It gets worse on the Sandero, those must cost about the price of a toaster to make.

It's like people buying a €100 welder. If you do the math, they're making them for a tenner. How much welder can you make for a tenner?

Sobanek

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I'd say it's a case of "do the maths". If they sell for 15k or less, and that encompasses c.a.30% tax, that's around the 10k mark, ish. The dealer takes a grand or two, so 8k, it costs 500 to ship it..that's 7.5k..they need to make a bob or two, so 4k, with adds, R&D, overheads, blah blah,there's fixed costs like tyres..so they're making them for 2-3k tops. How much car does 2-3k make? Not too much, I'm guessing. It gets worse on the Sandero, those must cost about the price of a toaster to make.

It's like people buying a €100 welder. If you do the math, they're making them for a tenner. How much welder can you make for a tenner?

Ever heard of Economies Of Scale? :P

Stavros Murphy

Sobanek wrote: »

Ever heard of Economies Of Scale? :P

I have. I also see Ford losing their hole financially on dearer cars, Saab closing, etc etc. So, to make money, at those prices, they make em cheap. Cheap means cheap stuff. Cheap stuff wears badly. That's just my tupence. I'd rather a used dear car tbh.

Moneymaker

I test drove one a few weeks ago as their is a Renault dealer right by where I live and I guess I was morbidly curious. :pac:

It is very spacious and the 1.5dci engine was not bad actually. They've been in Renaults for years with few issues so I was perfectly satisfied with that. It was quite comfortable too and rode the bumps pretty well.

The build quality is utterly atrocious though, the one I drove had a lovely big slab of cheap plastic, it looked awful. The road noise was awful and the clutch felt very strange. My 13 year old Hyundai Coupe is a better place to sit. I was shocked actually that a 2014 car could look so drab and cheap inside.

And there are some serious issues over its NCAP ratings I understand. I wouldn't want to be wheeling kids around if I had concerns over how safe my car was.

I'd rather buy a used XC90 if I wanted a practical SUV thats well built and safe. The Duster is definitely good value but cheap is not something i'd be looking for if I wanted a new car.

BuffyBot

That's the point, some aldi stuff is Ok, but imagine them opening a new budget outlet for stuff not good enough to sell in aldi. Some things, like Renault don't need a budget brand lol.

Dacia. The Lidl of cars :P

Dartz

BuffyBot wrote: »

Dacia. The Lidl of cars :P

Lidl occasionally have interesting ****e on offer...

colm_mcm

I reckon residuals on them will be better than most people are predicting.

Stavros Murphy

colm_mcm wrote: »

I reckon residuals on them will be better than most people are predicting.

You've changed your tune so Colm. We're you not rabidly anti-Dacia in the recent past?

colm_mcm

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

You've changed your tune so Colm. We're you not rabidly anti-Dacia in the recent past?

I'm kinda on the fence with them. I wouldn't buy one myself but I got a girl in work who was looking at 09 Qashqais to buy one.

My opinion on the residuals is not based on whether I like them. For someone in the market for a new car looking for long warranty and no frills motoring they're hard to beat. In the same way that Octavias make good money second hand they'll appeal to cheapskates who'll ironically pay over the odds.

I dislike when people dismiss them off-hand.

If my missus was looking for a shopping trolley that had to be new, I'd probably steer her towards a Sandero 0.9 tce.

whupdedo

Henry Ford III wrote: »

This one didn't survive long - it got totalled in Bunratty yesterday.

He parked it their intentionally

Stavros Murphy

whupdedo wrote: »

He parked it their intentionally

bangernomics "spares or repair" next week?

ltdslipdiff

OP no auto available as of yet. With regards to the resale value, the most common call on the Dacia range is - "have you any used ones for sale?" Also, on the cost analysis quoted earlier, you can take out the dealer making a grand or two, there is zero profit for the dealer, the cost of PDi is just about covered.....

whupdedo

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

bangernomics "spares or repair" next week?

The wing mirror still looks fixable:rolleyes:

Stavros Murphy

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

OP no auto available as of yet. With regards to the resale value, the most common call on the Dacia range is - "have you any used ones for sale?" Also, on the cost analysis quoted earlier, you can take out the dealer making a grand or two, there is zero profit for the dealer, the cost of PDi is just about covered.....

Then why bother? Warranty work expected to be high? Or spares very profitable? Genuine question.

colm_mcm

She's a top of the range with fogs and all

Stavros Murphy

whupdedo wrote: »

The wing mirror still looks fixable:rolleyes:

Headlights ffs! Them headlights are in demand..I think even the sills bent..

Henry Ford III

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

....the most common call on the Dacia range is - "have you any used ones for sale?"......

That's from people looking for one for nothing.

Stavros Murphy

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That's from people looking for one for nothing.

I know of a twig-damaged one might be got cheap...

ltdslipdiff

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Then why bother? Warranty work expected to be high? Or spares very profitable? Genuine question.

Looking at the bigger picture I suppose, future servicing profits, having a model/price range to suit everyone coming in the door etc. Chance to up-sell to Renault?

colm_mcm

When the Aygo came out in 05 we had more margin on satnav, but it got people in the door.
Same with the iQ, nobody bought them but they bought other stuff once we got them in the doors

Frankie Lee

gallag wrote: »

Think Renault, shudder.

Now think budget Renault, :-0

That's like aldi opening a down market shop ffs.

Renault have definitely improved past the Germans in terms of reliability in the last 6 years, they are probably competing with Fiat to be Europe's most reliable car manufacturer these days.

Nixer Jim

Notch000 wrote: »

They are a new brand, so reliability is unknown. Common sense would suggest they would be ok at best. They are back by renault who dont have the best build quality in the world themselves, They are very cheap and plain and would probably install zero street credit or self confidence, probably really low on the scale of driving pleasure too, Cheap and all as they are I would imagine the depreciation on they will be chronic.

With all due respect, that's the most ill informed nonsense I've read in a while.

They're not new. The company has existed for decades. They've been available across Europe for almost as long. The current range has been sold on continental Europe for the last decade.

Why would common sense suggest anything?

They're owned, not backed by Renault.

European residuals suggest they stand up pretty well.

I know all this because I bothered to find it out rather than make it up as I went along. If you don't know what you're talking about, probably better to say nothing at all ;-)

Stavros Murphy

Nixer Jim wrote: »

With all due respect, that's the most I'll informed nonsense I've read in a while.

They're not new. The company has existed for decades. They've been available across Europe for almost as long. The current range has been sold on continental Europe for the last decade.

Why would common sense suggest anything?

They're owned, not backed by Renault.

European residuals suggest they stand up pretty well.

I know all this because I bothered to find it out rather than make it up as I went along. If you don't know what you're talking about, probably better to say nothing at all ;-)

Shure, there's no fun in that. Winging it is a challenge.

Noccy_Mondy

Henry Ford III wrote: »

This one didn't survive long - it got totalled in Bunratty yesterday.

This picture makes the front page of tomorrows Irish Mirror. They must be good so.. :rolleyes:

joebloggs32

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Then why bother? Warranty work expected to be high? Or spares very profitable? Genuine question.

It is to gain a new customer who will keep coming back for servicing. It is the Ryanair business model. Give them a cheap seat, and get them on the baggage etc

Stavros Murphy

joebloggs32 wrote: »

It is to gain a new customer who will keep coming back for servicing. It is the Ryanair business model. Give them a cheap seat, and get them on the baggage etc

That needs economies of scale to work though. :P

Frankie Lee

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Renault have definitely improved past the Germans in terms of reliability in the last 6 years, they are probably competing with Fiat to be Europe's most reliable car manufacturer these days.

Below are Swedish car inspection results for three year old models gathered in 2012 of which does not appear to agree, although maybe there has been massive improvement since 2009 model year. The second column is the percentage of fails and the third the kilometers on the clock. The 2009 Megane estate diesel was the worst model in terms of results with 27.4 percent of cars failing. The best car, which was Octavia (no Superb), had 0.0 percent of fails. The average was 2.7 percent. The best Renault, Megane petrol hatch was 111th. Incidentally Sandero happened to be the second worst model so does not bear well for Dacia.

http://www.hs.fi/autot/Ruotsin+katsastustilasto+3-vuotiaat+autot/a1305775976524

(sorry couldn't find the original Swedish version)

colm_mcm

Is that like nct fails?

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is that like nct fails?

It is. The NCTS equivalent over there is called "svenska bilprovning"

PLUG71

Simple really "you get what you pay for".:P

colm_mcm

samih wrote: »

It is. The NCTS equivalent over there is called "svenska bilprovning"

Not a real measure of reliability to be fair.

Henry Ford III

Nixer Jim wrote: »

.....European residuals suggest they stand up pretty well....

Any real evidence of this in relation to class best anywhere? I'd have thought the opposite.

whomitconcerns

in romania 50% of the cars are dacias. And all of the taxis (dacia logans). They are driven hard and lots have over 200km on them. So reliability is good.

As regards the duster, I know a lot of people who have them for years, and love them. They are cheap to own, cheap to maintain.

Now in saying that, would I want one, no. But thats purely for snobby reasons :P

speedcom

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

This picture makes the front page of tomorrows Irish Mirror. They must be good so.. :rolleyes:

Hi All,

It is good car. Low on fuel - 6.5L/100km and good traction. The only things I spot a little bit loud over 100km/h (wind) and dashboard not looking such as good as the more expensive cars. 5 years unlimited warranty is a good option as well. I didn't have any issue with it until Wednesday.

Yes, this one from picture is mine. I Hope to be sorted by insurance soon and next one will be the same. The most important nobody inside when all this happened.

Regards, Marcin

Sobanek

speedcom wrote: »

Hi All,

It is good car. Low on fuel - 6.5L/100km and good traction. The only things I spot a little bit loud over 100km/h (wind) and dashboard not looking such as good as the more expensive cars. 5 years unlimited warranty is a good option as well. I didn't have any issue with it until Wednesday.

Yes, this one from picture is mine. I Hope to be sorted by insurance soon and next one will be the same. The most important nobody inside when all this happened.

Regards, Marcin

Szczęście w nieszczęściu.

Glad to hear everyone's ok.
Hope you get a new one soon

gallag

speedcom wrote: »

Hi All,

It is good car. Low on fuel - 6.5L/100km and good traction. The only things I spot a little bit loud over 100km/h (wind) and dashboard not looking such as good as the more expensive cars. 5 years unlimited warranty is a good option as well. I didn't have any issue with it until Wednesday.

Yes, this one from picture is mine. I Hope to be sorted by insurance soon and next one will be the same. The most important nobody inside when all this happened.

Regards, Marcin

What happened? ?

Noccy_Mondy

gallag wrote: »

What happened? ?

I'd have thought the pic would have been fairly self-explanatory :P
Tree - Car - Tree fall on car

gallag

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

I'd have thought the pic would have been fairly self-explanatory :P
Tree - Car - Tree fall on car

Yeah, but what set of circumstances lead to parking a car under a tree about to be felled lol