a driver flashing lights to move out of the way

kuro2k

kuro2k wrote: »

The overtaking lane is for overtaking ONLY so get out of it, simple really

bobbyss wrote: »

This road is about half a mile long ending in traffic lights with a straight ahead and a left turn-most cars going straight remain on the overtaking lane whilst those turning left remain on the inside lane. If cars used the outer lane for overtaking only then there would be absolute chaos as
cars would be bobbing and weaving all over the place over that short stretch.

So it's not that simple, really.

Well if it isn't that simple why don't you give the exact location of the incident?

link to google maps would be even better

THall04

In response to the original post , some quotes from the Rules Of The Road....

“You must not break the speed limit, even when overtaking.”



“If you display road rage as a driver, it means you have uncontrolled anger that
results in intimidation or violence against another driver.
Aggressive driving is inconsiderate, stupid driving. It can involve speeding,
tailgating (driving too close behind another vehicle), failing to use an indicator
for lane changes, recklessly weaving in and out of traffic and over-use of a horn
or flashing headlights.
If another driver is attempting to provoke you, don’t react. Don’t be tempted to
speed up, brake or swerve suddenly. This could cause a crash or make other
drivers think you are confronting them. Instead, stay calm and remain focused
on your driving to complete your journey safely. Always remember that safety is
your number one concern.
Report all incidents to your local Garda station or contact Traffic Watch on:
Lo-Call 1890 205 805.”



“You must normally drive in the left-hand lane of a dual carriageway. You may
use the outer lane of a two-lane or three-lane dual carriageway only:
· for overtaking, and
· when intending to turn right a short distance ahead.”

No Pants

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

In reality how many do this?

I did.

1? :pac:

agentino

I got road rage even reading the original post and am not fit to drive after reading some of the responses. Get off the road I say and get out of peoples way. If people want to speed and break the law I am sure the Gardaí will be onto them in good time.

And if people reading my reply think I am a wnaker then don't ever drive on the Motorway in the UK where there is no mercy to people in the wrong lanes

agentino

Forgot my link with my Road Rage

Need one of these myself

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2014/feb/09/im-sorry-car-horn-road-rage?CMP=twt_gu

kevc2

I know this is a little off topic but I was driving a long a stretch of 120kph road doing 100kph. There was a car in front of me doing 50 and there was a car in the outside lane so I couldn't overtake. Had to jam on the brakes and flashed the fook out of the driver. Then went to overtake them and they matched my speed, absolutely head wrecking.

bobbyss

agentino wrote: »

I got road rage even reading the original post and am not fit to drive after reading some of the responses. Get off the road I say and get out of peoples way. If people want to speed and break the law I am sure the Gardaí will be onto them in good time.

And if people reading my reply think I am a wnaker then don't ever drive on the Motorway in the UK where there is no mercy to people in the wrong lanes

I would not get out of someone's way if I was not breaking the law and if it meant that my safety (and that of other drivers) is being compromised by a bad driver.

blade1

If there is an idiot behind or anyone else for that matter, get out of their way.
Better to have them in front of you where you can see them easier.

CramCycle

kevc2 wrote: »

I know this is a little off topic but I was driving a long a stretch of 120kph road doing 100kph. There was a car in front of me doing 50 and there was a car in the outside lane so I couldn't overtake. Had to jam on the brakes and flashed the fook out of the driver. Then went to overtake them and they matched my speed, absolutely head wrecking.

Its infuriating but incredibly common, I can never understand the idea of matching speed when someone attempts to overtake.

bobbyss wrote: »

I would not get out of someone's way if I was not breaking the law and if it meant that my safety (and that of other drivers) is being compromised by a bad driver.

Obviously, I really hope no one would move in a manner that compromised safety, but again, you see it all the time.

bobbyss

CramCycle wrote: »

Its infuriating but incredibly common, I can never understand the idea of matching speed when someone attempts to overtake.

Obviously, I really hope no one would move in a manner that compromised safety, but again, you see it all the time.

Yes, you do indeed.

Flashing lights anyone?
Is it legal?
When are you allowed do it?
Is here any rule specifically limiting its use?

jd

MajorMax wrote: »

It's my understanding of the rules of the road, that a road with a speed limit of less than 60 KPH has NO overtaking or "fast" lane, so you are well within your rights to be in either lane

Really? Have you a reference/link for that?

bobwilliams

kuro2k wrote: »

The overtaking lane is for overtaking ONLY so get out of it, simple really

correct but by flashing lights the guy is behind is the biggest ass imo.

there are a lot of brutal drivers out there,sometimes I see an oul dear in the OT lane,i just hold back,the days of flashing lights are well gone.

Wheelnut

Back to the original question:

bobbyss wrote: »

... Is the driver behind me in any way breaking the law regarding flashing?

(Flashing headlights, not his personal weaponry)

There are strict construction regulations for cars, so if they fit a switch for flashing lights it can't be illegal. Of course if it's done in the wrong circumstances it's a different matter, similar to blowing the horn at the wrong time.

Pro Hoc Vice

Wheelnut wrote: »

Back to the original question:



(Flashing headlights, not his personal weaponry)

There are strict construction regulations for cars, so if they fit a switch for flashing lights it can't be illegal. Of course if it's done in the wrong circumstances it's a different matter, similar to blowing the horn at the wrong time.

Think these have been amended but believe the relevant section still stands.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1963/en/si/0189.html#zzsi189y1963a42

Restrictions on flashing lights.
42. No lamp (other than direction indicators) fitted to a vehicle shall show or be constructed or adapted so as to be capable of showing a flashing light unless such light is invisible to persons outside the vehicle.

I am not aware of any law that makes it illegal to flash your lights, but am open to correction.

bobbyss

Wheelnut wrote: »

Back to the original question:



(Flashing headlights, not his personal weaponry)

There are strict construction regulations for cars, so if they fit a switch for flashing lights it can't be illegal. Of course if it's done in the wrong circumstances it's a different matter, similar to blowing the horn at the wrong time.

That's exactly what I think.

If there is a capacity to flash then there must be a use for it but at the same there must be restrictions on its use just like, as you say, the horn. What there restrictions are I do not kow.

I am sure if you flashed an oncoming Garda car (s)he would pull you over. But why? Dangerous/Careless driving? But there must be a written reference to it somewhere?

Sheldons Brain

kevc2 wrote: »

I know this is a little off topic but I was driving a long a stretch of 120kph road doing 100kph. There was a car in front of me doing 50 and there was a car in the outside lane so I couldn't overtake. Had to jam on the brakes and flashed the fook out of the driver. Then went to overtake them and they matched my speed, absolutely head wrecking.

Whatever speed they were travelling at, why did you have to slam on the brakes, this would suggest that you were not paying attention. Likewise why did you feel you should "flash the fook out of the driver" when they were behaving entirely legally, although not travelling as fast as you wish? You were acting the lout and they responded by acting the maggot, let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.

kevc2

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Whatever speed they were travelling at, why did you have to slam on the brakes, this would suggest that you were not paying attention. Likewise why did you feel you should "flash the fook out of the driver" when they were behaving entirely legally, although not travelling as fast as you wish? You were acting the lout and they responded by acting the maggot, let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.

Is there not a minimum speed you can drive at on a motorway? There was a car in front of me travelling at 100, the same speed as me. He got close to the car and changed into the outside lane. There was a car in the outside lane when I got to him, I couldn't change lane and had to slam on. Driving at 50 on a motorway is extremely dangerous, I flashed him because he scared the crap out of me and that's the way I reacted. I was paying complete attention.

whomitconcerns

MajorMax wrote: »

It's my understanding of the rules of the road, that a road with a speed limit of less than 60 KPH has NO overtaking or "fast" lane, so you are well within your rights to be in either lane

Nope you always are meant to keep left where possible regardless of speed limit

Wheelnut

infosys wrote: »

Restrictions on flashing lights.
42. No lamp (other than direction indicators) fitted to a vehicle shall show or be constructed or adapted so as to be capable of showing a flashing light unless such light is invisible to persons outside the vehicle.

Although it does not say so I would suspect that is a prohibition on lights that flash in a pattern so as to mimic an emergency vehicle, for instance you will often see emergency vehicles with the left and right headlamps flashing alternately.

Pro Hoc Vice

Wheelnut wrote: »

Although it does not say so I would suspect that is a prohibition on lights that flash in a pattern so as to mimic an emergency vehicle, for instance you will often see emergency vehicles with the left and right headlamps flashing alternately.

I agree hence why I added "I am not aware of any law that makes it illegal to flash your lights, but am open to correction."

overshoot

Wheelnut wrote: »

Although it does not say so I would suspect that is a prohibition on lights that flash in a pattern so as to mimic an emergency vehicle, for instance you will often see emergency vehicles with the left and right headlamps flashing alternately.

i thought they were the only ones who could use blue lights (dont ask me to quote anything though)
although everything else seems to run orange/yellow
although i know one recover truck with blue/pink

mathepac

bobbyss wrote: »

Thank you for your response.

Must I move left on a dual carraigeway if approached from behind? How do you know? Where is that written down exactly?

Thank you.

RTFM - ROTR, RSA. HTH xxx

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88970918&postcount=33

Thanks to @Thall04 for links.

Boaty

Unmarked Garda car was on the N11 a while back, it was over taking a car when when another car comes up behind the Garda car and flashed it, Garda car flashed the blue lights and pulled the car over.

bobbyss

Boaty wrote: »

Unmarked Garda car was on the N11 a while back, it was over taking a car when when another car comes up behind the Garda car and flashed it, Garda car flashed the blue lights and pulled the car over.

Wonder why?

CramCycle

bobbyss wrote: »

Wonder why?

Dangerous driving I imagine.

deandean

Absolutely yes you can flash your lights as a warning to other drivers.
a couple of years ago on the M1 north I was behind some twat hogging the overtaking lane. I undertook him. I got pulled by the garda traffic corps! they said don't u.dertake but by all means flash the fast lane hog and even use the horn. if he doesn't wake up, the advice was to go to the left lane and call the hog in to the traffic watch phone number. unfortunately the hogs tend to get off. I want forward firing exocet missiles for my bus to deal with fast lane hogs.

mathepac

deandean wrote: »

... I want forward firing exocet missiles for my bus to deal with fast lane hogs.

'I say Brian. Oh Brian, quick you'll enjoy this.'

'What Stewie? I'm busy here licking my nutz.'

'Some bus-driver dude thinks there's a fast-lane on Irish motorway-type roads'

'So?'

'Ain't no such a thing Dude, ain't no such a thing.'

'So?'

'I win again doo doo doo do, I win again ...'

'Oh for Crissakes' Lick, lick lick ...

bobbyss

CramCycle wrote: »

Dangerous driving I imagine.

Yet as Deandean says a Garda advised him to flash. So it could not be dangerous driving.

CramCycle

bobbyss wrote: »

Yet as Deandean says a Garda advised him to flash. So it could not be dangerous driving.

Well the Garda pulled him over for undertaking, what he recommended he do is report the car to traffic watch. In terms of the lights and horn, the Garda seems to say its OK to warn/advise the other motorist as they may have been/seem to be not paying attention so in this scenario it would have been for safety/warning etc.

The dangerous driving I refer to (on the N11) could be a number of things, to close to the car in front, speeding, aggressive behaviour etc. but basically being a numpty and the Garda will find a rule that supports that opinion.

EDIT: I also forgot to add that of course you are right, gardai are infallible and could not possibly make a mistake, like the time I got pulled over for no NCT in a Volvo P1800 from 1969 and the Garda did not believe me that it was exempt from an NCT.

bobbyss

CramCycle wrote: »

Well the Garda pulled him over for undertaking, what he recommended he do is report the car to traffic watch. In terms of the lights and horn, the Garda seems to say its OK to warn/advise the other motorist as they may have been/seem to be not paying attention so in this scenario it would have been for safety/warning etc.

And here is the conflict. As Boaty above refers to an incident where the Guards pulled over a car (presumably) for flashing them (in an unmarked car). We do not know why that person flashed the unmarked car-perhaps to move over? Perhaps to warn/advise?

Yet you refer to the Guards saying it is ok to flash to warn/advise.

I do not know if it is legal to flash a car still.