Stupid joggers.

Cantona's Collars

Following on from the video of a guy running in the dark on the road with no reflective gear from the dashcam thread:

Earlier I was driving into Enniscorthy along Blackstoops,between the entrance to the graveyard and the garage there was 2 women jogging on the road.Anyone familiar with this stretch of road knows it's narrow and there's a footpath on one side.The women were on the other side with literally 18" to 2ft between them & a stone wall,approaching were lines of artics having come from Rosslare.Suicidal to be on that side of the road,spotted them about 5 minutes later doing something similar further on despite a clear footpath literally 3 feet away.
We rant & rave over the carry on of some cyclists but there's people out running now who must actually believe they are superhuman and will win if hit by a vehicle.

djimi

Some people have a subconscious death wish; not much more that you can say about it really!

MJ23

I know where it is. They must have a death wish. Why can't joggers run around a field or a track? There'll only be one winner between a jogger and a car/jeep/van/truck.
And to the people with no reflective gear, out walking at night on a twisty narrow back road, you are going to get yourself killed or cause a major crash. I'd say "accident" but its not an accident when the person was being stupid.

ThisRegard

Yeah, because running tracks are in plentiful supply around the county.

Joe 90

MJ23 wrote: »

I know where it is. They must have a death wish. Why can't joggers run around a field or a track? There'll only be one winner between a jogger and a car/jeep/van/truck.
And to the people with no reflective gear, out walking at night on a twisty narrow back road, you are going to get yourself killed or cause a major crash. I'd say "accident" but its not an accident when the person was being stupid.

Evolution in action.

Cantona's Collars

MJ23 wrote: »

I know where it is. They must have a death wish. Why can't joggers run around a field or a track? There'll only be one winner between a jogger and a car/jeep/van/truck.
And to the people with no reflective gear, out walking at night on a twisty narrow back road, you are going to get yourself killed or cause a major crash. I'd say "accident" but its not an accident when the person was being stupid.

Can't seem to link the street view but it's easy to find from the roundabout on the N11 on the outskirts of Enniscorthy heading into town.You can see there's a nice wide footpath on the other side.
Trucks were being forced onto the other side of the road to avoid them.

MJ23

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, because running tracks are in plentiful supply around the county.

There's plenty of fields and gyms though. Eejits out running on a dangerous road. Mustn't value their life very much.

aloyisious

T'is silly all right to put one's life at risk for the sake of it's health. I can only assume that the path is concrete, where-as the road is probably tarmac. The tarmac surface is easier on running feet than concrete, is all I can think of.

ironclaw

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, because running tracks are in plentiful supply around the county.

As a jogger / motor head myself, and pretty one conscientious at that, decent fields and tracks are pretty much non-existent in Ireland. Especially one that is long enough. There is only so many laps you can do before getting bored (Try do 10km a day, most days a week in a park near you without touching a road. Impossible)

In addition, there is a lot to be said for running on a smooth, hard surface as opposed to a lumpy, uneven and water soaked pitch / track. Of course there is arguments for and against that. In any case, you should never be running on a road in an urban area. Paths are plentiful and you adjust your route to suit.

Often when jogging I've made the point to (especially those that insist on wearing black) how hidden they are and in the vast majority say thank you. But for some, its a 4 week fad from a glossy magazine and they'll soon be back on the couch. So don't worry too much about it

Supergurrier

Front of the car is all dented from the bulky headphones they tend to wear

Mycroft H

There has been a few times that I've nearly been cleared out of it while running on the road and mind you I run with a headlight/hi-vis vest and a torch these days. While on spacious 2 lane roads.

keithclancy

Ireland is crazy anyway when it comes to people walking on the road.

MugMugs

MJ23 wrote: »

There's plenty of fields and gyms though. Eejits out running on a dangerous road. Mustn't value their life very much.

No there isn't and I don't know about you but running on the same spot doesn't appeal to me either. I run a 5k circuit. I wear lights and reflective gear on my arms, torso and legs and STILL have to negotiate idiots in cars unable and unprepared to negotiate my presence. I'm vulnerable, they're not.

Saying "stay off the roads" is not productive. Learning how to drive is

ardmacha

Roads should be used to get from A to B, not as playgrounds.

YbFocus

Go run around the local Lake or a riverside walk.

People on the roads cause an unnecessary Hazard and they don't need to be there.

Arthur Beesley

Is running on the roads legal?

MugMugs

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Is running on the roads legal?

Allow me to simplify that question.

"is being a pedestrian legal? "

Yes.

MugMugs

YbFocus wrote: »

Go run around the local Lake or a riverside walk.

People on the roads cause an unnecessary Hazard and they don't need to be there.

Drive with due care and consideration for other road users and provided they return the courtesy, there's simply no issue.

Marcusm

MugMugs wrote: »

Allow me to simplify that question.

"is being a pedestrian legal? "

Yes.

A different point as if there is a footway, I don't think people can walk on the carriageway except to cross it.

Supergurrier

Does anyone know how to get pink lycra out of brake calipers ?

It's really jammed in there

Dilbert75

YbFocus wrote: »

Go run around the local Lake or a riverside walk.

Yeah cos every townland, village and town has lakes and riverside walks fully lit for runners to go to. Not.

MugMugs

Marcusm wrote: »

A different point as if there is a footway, I don't think people can walk on the carriageway except to cross it.

If there's a footway and somebody's running the road then they're asking for trouble. But if not then there's simply no alternative

power pants

The joggers have as much right as a car to be on the road. The day that they dont will be the day the police pull them up and issue them with a fine

If you cant drive carefully around them, ask yourself if you should be on the road at all

YbFocus

MugMugs wrote: »

Drive with due care and consideration for other road users and provided they return the courtesy, there's simply no issue.

Oh I do drive with care and have yet to kill anyone. My case is that why can't they walk 10 laps of their estate or 1400 laps of the house sooner than go out on a road unlit.

Your fully allowed to go out on the road in the snowstorm tonight and run in the Middle of the road and it'll be my fault when I'm snow foaming your spleen from around the kidney grilles.

MugMugs

YbFocus wrote: »

Oh I do drive with care and have yet to kill anyone. My case is that why can't they walk 10 laps of their estate or 1400 laps of the house sooner than go out on a road unlit.

Your fully allowed to go out on the road in the snowstorm tonight and run in the Middle of the road and it'll be my fault when I'm snow foaming your spleen from around the kidney grilles.

Drive with care and it won't be an issue though. Pure and simple.

The "stay off our roads mentality" just doesn't wash. Respect your surroundings and each other and there won't be an issue.

BMJD

I wouldn't mind but they are probably sitting their fat asses down watching Eastenders with a tub of Ben and Jerrys right now.

Mycroft H

YbFocus wrote: »

Oh I do drive with care and have yet to kill anyone. My case is that why can't they walk 10 laps of their estate or 1400 laps of the house sooner than go out on a road unlit.

Your fully allowed to go out on the road in the snowstorm tonight and run in the Middle of the road and it'll be my fault when I'm snow foaming your spleen from around the kidney grilles.

Because I don't live near a housing estate. I don't live near a track. My driveway is 25m long. I'm 8 miles from the nearest town. I cant afford 300 odd for a gym membership. So where do I go when I'm training for the half marathon? The road.

I run with a powerful 300 lumen headlamp, a powerful torch, a reflective vest, reflective ankle strap and still, still, people still manage to come very close to hitting me out of simply driving too fast on country roads and not paying attention.

If everyone drove drove slow enough to stop in the distance they can see clear, we'd all get along.

Stavros Murphy

ironclaw wrote: »

As a jogger / motor head myself, and pretty one conscientious at that, decent fields and tracks are pretty much non-existent in Ireland. Especially one that is long enough. There is only so many laps you can do before getting bored (Try do 10km a day, most days a week in a park near you without touching a road. Impossible)

In addition, there is a lot to be said for running on a smooth, hard surface as opposed to a lumpy, uneven and water soaked pitch / track. Of course there is arguments for and against that. In any case, you should never be running on a road in an urban area. Paths are plentiful and you adjust your route to suit.

Often when jogging I've made the point to (especially those that insist on wearing black) how hidden they are and in the vast majority say thank you. But for some, its a 4 week fad from a glossy magazine and they'll soon be back on the couch. So don't worry too much about it

Good post, and I do get why people are jogging on the roads, but as a way to keep fit, I often wonder how fit someone would be after getting ploughed fifty foot down the road by a truck or car that didn't see them as there was another car coming towards them with their lights blazing, obscuring everything. Verry dangerous hobby.

JJJJNR

Nearly drove into someone in all black running gear recently at night, i too run and take every precaution i can for myself, and if i happen to be road running, the motorist.

I just cant get my head around some peoples attitude towards their safety, it seems to be a second thought next to their health.. fairly ironic that

ThisRegard

BMJD wrote: »

I wouldn't mind but they are probably sitting their fat asses down watching Eastenders with a tub of Ben and Jerrys right now.

Says the poster sitting down watching EastEnders.

YbFocus

BMJD wrote: »

I wouldn't mind but they are probably sitting their fat asses down watching Eastenders with a tub of Ben and Jerrys right now.

Bit of a generalisation isn't it? We show no interest in jogging on main roads so we must be a pile of fat slobs :rolleyes:

coolbeans

They don't even pay road tax Joe.

slimjimmc

power pants wrote: »

The joggers have as much right as a car to be on the road. The day that they dont will be the day the police pull them up and issue them with a fine

If you cant drive carefully around them, ask yourself if you should be on the road at all

Not necessarily, if there is a footpath available they must use it (Sect 35(1)), which is the case described in the OP. Depending on the conditions at the time it could also be argued that jogging along 18"-24" out onto the carriageway is neglecting to exercise their responsibilities as per Sect 34.

S.I. No. 294/1964

Pedestrians to exercise care
34. A pedestrian shall exercise care and take all reasonable precautions to avoid causing danger or inconvenience to traffic and other pedestrians, and, when at a road junction controlled by traffic lights, shall comply with bye-law 13 of these bye-laws in so far as it applies to a driver facing lights at which there is no stop line.

Rules for pedestrians
35.—(1) Save when crossing the roadway a pedestrian shall use a footway if one is provided, and if one is not provided, shall keep as near as possible to the right edge of the roadway.

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1) of this bye-law, every person in a group of twenty persons or more walking along a road shall do so as near as possible to its left edge.

(3) During lighting-up hours at least one person from a group of twenty persons or more walking along a road shall carry a lamp showing a white light visible for a reasonable distance in the direction in which the group is walking and a red light visible for a reasonable distance in the opposite direction.

(4) In this bye-law " pedestrian " includes a person pushing a pram.

OP, were the joggers running against the traffic as required by Sect 35(1)?

Arthur Beesley

MugMugs wrote: »

Allow me to simplify that question.

"is being a pedestrian legal? "

Yes.

Well jaywalking is not legal where there are paths, so you point is pointless.

So is it legal for joggers to jog on roads with foot paths?

Arthur Beesley

coolbeans wrote: »

They don't even pay road tax Joe.

Beat me to it.

Jesus.

Runners shouldn't be on the road, simple as. They should confine their recreational activity to a suitable arena. Cars, trucks and buses are out trying to do a days work and have to negotiate these self-important egotists risking their lives just to be seen. And yes, I genuinely believe a lot of runners and cyclists clog up the roads just because "they're entitled to". I've seen runners and cyclists practically in the middle of the road holding everyone up when there's an empty pathway/cycle lane beside them.

Find a field or a gym and stop showing off to everyone.

coolbeans

Jesus. wrote: »

Runners shouldn't be on the road, simple as. They should confine their recreational activity to a suitable arena. Cars, trucks and buses are out trying to do a days work and have to negotiate these self-important egotists risking their lives just to be seen. And yes, I genuinely believe a lot of runners and cyclists clog up the roads just because "they're entitled to". I've seen runners and cyclists practically in the middle of the road holding everyone up when there's an empty pathway/cycle lane beside them.

Find a field or a gym and stop showing off to everyone.

Total crap. The sense of entitlement that getting behind a wheel seems to give some people is something to behold. Pedestrians, cyclists and people in charge of animals have a natural right to be on the road and long may it continue. Persons in charge of a vehicle can be banned from the road should society deem it so. Long may the status quo continue.

RandomAccess

ardmacha wrote: »

Roads should be used to get from A to B, not as playgrounds.

I thought this was Motors?

Matt_Trakker

Dilbert75 wrote: »

Yeah cos every townland, village and town has lakes and riverside walks fully lit for runners to go to. Not.

Here you go:
http://outdoors-international.com/store/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/HeadLampBlue.jpg

Satanta

There's some.very disappointing attitudes on here towards runners. I'm a motorist and runner and would have thought there'd be more of a adult and patient view taken by true motoring enthusiasts.

To be clear here, I agree that those joggers described in the op were behaving stupidly and should have been on the path.

The comments such as removing joggers clothing from brake pads, and go find somewhere else to run etc etc are just downright juvenile. Its giving me an insight into some of the regular posters in here tbh.

Supergurrier

Yet if i went around in a black car with no lights on i would be locked up.

If you want to jog on the roads thats well and good but wear reflective gear. It's not motorists preaching at you and your right to be on the roads it's common sense.

Recently came across a lunatic jogging at dusk in navy shorts and a black t-shirt. If he hadn't have been walking a light coloured terrier i never would have seen him, yet he waves at me like im the lunatic.

The only problem with common sense is unfortunately it's not very common nowadays

YbFocus

Once you make the effort to be seen I haven't (much) of a problem.
It really annoys me though when someone is walking in the black dark with nothing identifying on at all.

They dissapear into the night until they are about 20ft from you!

Far too dangerous!

ironclaw

I don't think i have ever seen anyone who takes their sport seriously wearing complete black. Its actually impossible to buy decent gear without a million reflective strips thrown into the mix. Its rare to find them in any other color than red, green or hyperactive yellow / blue.

Really disappointing attitude I have to say from a lot of posters here. As motorists, we have a duty of care to those more vulnerable. As a skier, you have a duty of care to those down slope of you. As a jogger, you have a duty of care to a competitor in front of you. Even in WRC / F1 you have a duty of care to other competitors on the course, no matter how heated it gets.

No idea why when we are getting from A to B it becomes an all out Mad Max dash with zero regard for anyone else. Mirror, signal, overtake. Done. The cost? 5 seconds. You'll make that up by taking the next corner or two correctly.

Jesus.

Ironclaw I would have agreed with you a while back and just asked you to request the same from joggers but my realism (cynicism?) has me now convinced that a modern, busy road is just no place for joggers. There really are far more suitable places for them to go to carry out their recreational activity. Its bloody dangerous and I maintain that a lot of them are just out running on the roads to show off and wind motorists up. Why else would they jog two abreast when there's a pathway lying idle to their left?

It can be very annoying.

Cantona's Collars

Here's a pic of where they were running,perfectly good path but they decided to run on the other side of the road.

ThisRegard

Satanta wrote: »

The comments such as removing joggers clothing from brake pads, and go find somewhere else to run etc etc are just downright juvenile. Its giving me an insight into some of the regular posters in here tbh.

You didn't notice that from the many many cyclist threads ?

Pawwed Rig

ardmacha wrote: »

Roads should be used to get from A to B, not as playgrounds.

That is a pity. I used to like taking the car out on a Sunday afternoon for a scenic drive in the mountains. Not really going anywhere, just driving around enjoying the car and the scenery.

I promise I will only use it to drive to LIDL and back from now on.

MugMugs

YbFocus wrote: »

Bit of a generalisation isn't it? We show no interest in jogging on main roads so we must be a pile of fat slobs :rolleyes:

And the thread title isn't a generalisation?

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Well jaywalking is not legal where there are paths, so you point is pointless.

So is it legal for joggers to jog on roads with foot paths?

THe definition of a pedestrian is "a person walking rather than travelling in a vehicle" I didn't mention paths, nor did you so my point is still quite relevant. Being a pedestrian is not illegal once they comply with the RTA.

YbFocus wrote: »

Once you make the effort to be seen I haven't (much) of a problem.

By god man, you've changed your tune pretty quickly.

YbFocus wrote: »

Go run around the local Lake or a riverside walk.

People on the roads cause an unnecessary Hazard and they don't need to be there.

:rolleyes:

zerks wrote: »

Here's a pic of where they were running,perfectly good path but they decided to run on the other side of the road.

In such a case, this person is quite clearly an idiot and should be treated as such.

hi5

Almost all the roads in Ireland have been there since before cars, so they belong to pedestrians and animals.
Motorists should be grateful for the privilege of being allowed to drive on them;)

Cantona's Collars

MugMugs wrote: »

And the thread title isn't a generalisation?

They were joggers & they were stupid,no generalisation there.Anyhow joggers acting responsibly and not causing a danger to themselves and drivers on the roads wouldn't warrant a thread & discussion.

MugMugs

zerks wrote: »

They were joggers & they were stupid,no generalisation there.Anyhow joggers acting responsibly and not causing a danger to themselves and drivers on the roads wouldn't warrant a thread & discussion.

I agree with your points but the fact stands, one should not be faulted for assuming that the thread title is out to discredit all joggers.

Anyway, it's a moot point and I merely brought it up in response to the previously quoted comment.