Is Garth going to be cancelled?

wishinonastar

Hearing rumblings on Garth Brooks concerts being cancelled due to locals protests? Can this happen after Aiken have sold 400,000 tickets?

LOSTfan57

Doubt it loose too much money. Moaners will be ignored

wishinonastar

Yea can see their points....huge fan myself so im hoping gigs go ahead. Business owners thrilled....saying it will be like 5 all Ireland sundays for them!! Always going to have moaners no matter what I guess!

Rigsby

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Moaners will be ignored

You obviously dont reside in the immediate Croke Park area. :rolleyes:

People dont protest simply for the fun of it or to be a kill joy.

strawberryb0y

wishinonastar wrote: »

Yea can see their points....huge fan myself so im hoping gigs go ahead. Business owners thrilled....saying it will be like 5 all Ireland sundays for them!! Always going to have moaners no matter what I guess!

Perfectly entitled to complain ffs.

Practically under lockdown for 5 days in a row.

dreamers75

They will get their few quid and be fine about it.

Shame they never noticed the stadium when they bought their houses.

hidinginthebush

dreamers75 wrote: »

They will get their few quid and be fine about it.

Shame they never noticed the stadium when they bought their houses.

Shame the stadium broke their license by staging 5 concerts in a row rather than 3 in a year.

HeidiHeidi

dreamers75 wrote: »

They will get their few quid and be fine about it.

Shame they never noticed the stadium when they bought their houses.

I can see both sides in terms of the concerts being cancelled, but this is a bit unfair.

I'm sure the vast majority were in their houses long before Croker was redeveloped into an 80,000 seater stadium with a regular (and increasing) concert line-up.

Can't say I'd fancy being in lock-down for the guts of a week - and that's just for GB, aren't there other concerts being planned for the summer as well?

yawhat!

Will the homeowners ever stop moaning.

Rigsby

yawhat! wrote: »

Will the homeowners ever stop moaning.

Homeowner ??? It wont be a home for the duration of the concerts.....but a prison.

Dietsquirt

If you're going to buy a house in the vicinity of an 82000 seater stadium, agreement or not, know the risks!

Arbiter of Good Taste

Dietsquirt wrote: »

If you're going to buy a house in the vicinity of an 82000 seater stadium, agreement or not, know the risks!

A reasonable due diligence done by a buyer would have discovered allowance for three concerts a year. Three.

So far they are having to put up with five nights in a row.

Why is this so hard to understand?

HeidiHeidi

Dietsquirt wrote: »

If you're going to buy a house in the vicinity of an 82000 seater stadium, agreement or not, know the risks!

I say again, I'm guessing that 95% (or some other similarly and arbitrarily large figure, since no, I don't actually know for a fact) of houses were owned and lived in for a long time before the stadium was redeveloped.

Were they meant to be psychics or something?

yawhat!

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

A reasonable due diligence done by a buyer would have discovered allowance for three concerts a year. Three.

So far they are having to put up with five nights in a row.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Stop been killjoys and just get over it!

colmufc

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Shame the stadium broke their license by staging 5 concerts in a row rather than 3 in a year.

That's an old licence issue now It goes by planning permission and no more than 5 non sporting events in a 2 week period

deise08

Wouldn't they get some compensation for these things? I thought those people were allocated tickets to the events that were disrupting them?

The Master

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

So far they are having to put up with five nights in a row.

8 nights

One Direction doing 3 concert this year too

HeidiHeidi

deise08 wrote: »

Wouldn't they get some compensation for these things? I thought those people were allocated tickets to the events that were disrupting them?

If you're a country-muzak-hating middle-aged or elderly couple, then I can't see freebie tickets to One Direction and The Garth being any compensation whatsoever :rolleyes:

deise08

Fair point

yawhat!

Mr.S wrote: »

Whats the difference between the concerts and match days?

There's a time curfew as well as a DB limit.

5 concerts in a row is quite a lot, but what exactly is the problem

Too many people walking by there houses I guess and a bit of litter. Complaning about nothing really.

irishgeo

there was no concerts last year , is croke park trying to carry over the 3 licences.

Says I To Bridey

How much householders are affected?

wolfpawnat

If you are living by Croke Park, you were always going to be affected by big match days. And over the boom years, that grew rapidly. It is the biggest stadium in the country. HOWEVER to not be allowed in and out of your homes at your own free will or having your home blocked off by three deep parking outside their door. There needs to be compromise now that the tickets are sold (I cannot see for the life of me, ticketmaster refunding 2 nights sales) these people should have access to their homes.

Allyall

Forget the lockdown, the people, the litter, the urinating in gardens, Croker licence breaking, broken windows/vandalism etc..


Being forced to listen to Garth Brooks 5 days in a row!!! :eek: :eek: (POSSIBLY 6!)

Then 3 nights Of One Direction!!

wolfpawnat

The people going to Garth Brooks and One Direction are not going to be the worst crowds (could be Swedish House Mafia!!!), there should be little or no vandalism. But every lot has the one or two.

I rather 20 all-Irelands than to listen to that lot for that 1 day, let alone that many!

afatbollix

They wont cancel any dates but could move a couple of dates to Phoenix park or some other location.

syklops

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

If you're a country-muzak-hating middle-aged or elderly couple, then I can't see freebie tickets to One Direction and The Garth being any compensation whatsoever :rolleyes:

I don't have a horse in this race but do you know how much those tickets are worth?

HeidiHeidi

syklops wrote: »

I don't have a horse in this race but do you know how much those tickets are worth?

What with him announcing a new concert every second day, an ever-decreasing amount I'd have thought (and hoped!)

syklops

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What with him announcing a new concert every second day, an ever-decreasing amount I'd have thought (and hoped!)

Then you'd be quite wrong.

Kristopherus

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The people going to Garth Brooks and One Direction are not going to be the worst crowds (could be Swedish House Mafia!!!), there should be little or no vandalism. But every lot has the one or two.

My reading of the attendees is that One Direction will attract the Teeny & Weeny Boppers. Mix in with that a few dozen parents who will be there to mind their weenies.

Brooks will attract the 30 to 70 age group. Doubtful if that cohort will be drunk & peeing in peoples gardens.

HeidiHeidi

syklops wrote: »

Then you'd be quite wrong.

Would I? I'll have to take your word for that.

But in any case, that value is a moveable feast depending entirely on demand and supply - I'm quite sure that the local residents who have zero interest in the concerts won't be given their couple of free tickets (the generosity of the promoters knows no bounds) until nearer the event, when their value may well be a lot less than in the first few days of hysteria following the launch of the events. Depending on the drip-release of tickets, their value may well be nil nearer the actual event.

If the promoters were that concerned, why not offer the residents a fixed monetary sum?

And anyway, I'm sure a few quid (or a few free tickets) wouldn't make up for the sheer hassle and inconvenience of the whole circus on your doorstep for five nights (with another three when the OD juggernaut rolls into town).

I thankfully don't live anywhere near Croke Park, but I feel awfully sorry for the people who do (who aren't avid GB fans).

wolfpawnat

Kristopherus wrote: »

My reading of the attendees is that One Direction will attract the Teeny & Weeny Boppers. Mix in with that a few dozen parents who will be there to mind their weenies.

Brooks will attract the 30 to 70 age group. Doubtful if that cohort will be drunk & peeing in peoples gardens.

Litter will be an issue, some people, regardless of background, seem allergic to rubbish bins and the nearest piece of pavement seems to suffice, but overall, the worst I can imagine will be a few hundred girls screaming in excitement (annoying, but survivable) and the few happy drunk (not sloppy drunk) shouting "I got friends" again annoying, but I would SERIOUSLY prefer that to SHM, Eminem, and co. That gets the worst crowd.

twowheelsonly

Kristopherus wrote: »

My reading of the attendees is that One Direction will attract the Teeny & Weeny Boppers. Mix in with that a few dozen parents who will be there to mind their weenies.

Brooks will attract the 30 to 70 age group. Doubtful if that cohort will be drunk & peeing in peoples gardens.

Don't you bet on it. Often that crowd (especially groups of women) are far worse than any teens. Take That in Croke Park was dominated by 30-45 year olds and I've never seen so many people as pisshed at any gig anywhere.

HeidiHeidi

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Don't you bet on it. Often that crowd (especially groups of women) are far worse than any teens. Take That in Croke Park was dominated by 30-45 year olds and I've never seen so many people as pisshed at any gig anywhere.

Have to say I agree with this

Tin Foil Hat

dreamers75 wrote: »

They will get their few quid and be fine about it.

Shame they never noticed the stadium when they bought their houses.

Many of them bought their houses long before Croker had the capacity it has now. Long before the GAA invented back doors and side doors and trap doors to line their pockets with, meaning that the stadium is used far more that it ever used to be.
I bloody hate NIMBYs. But these people have genuine grievance.

BrianBoru00

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I say again, I'm guessing that 95% (or some other similarly and arbitrarily large figure, since no, I don't actually know for a fact) of houses were owned and lived in for a long time before the stadium was redeveloped.

Were they meant to be psychics or something?

Croke Park has had an attendence of over 64 000 for most of the past 100 years - and has had crowds of up to 90 000 so they knew there was a very large stadium in the vicinity of their houses while purchasing.....

If you are living by Croke Park, you were always going to be affected by big match days. And over the boom years, that grew rapidly. It is the biggest stadium in the country. HOWEVER to not be allowed in and out of your homes at your own free will or having your home blocked off by three deep parking outside their door. There needs to be compromise now that the tickets are sold (I cannot see for the life of me, ticketmaster refunding 2 nights sales) these people should have access to their homes.

I call bull**** on this part in bold. Nobody is stopped going in and out of their homes. And I've been a regular attendee at Croke Park over the years - its absolute rubbish to say there's "three deep parking" outside peoples houses - Care to name a street where this is even possible - to my knowledge, in all of the streets in the vicinity this would necessitate parking on both carriage ways of those streets - Which would result in the cars being towed.

Honestly - if your going to take part in an argument would you not come up with some points that are in any way valid.

wolfpawnat

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Have to say I agree with this

I went to Paul McCartney in the RDS a few years ago and I have to be honest. I went to Oasis, Oxygen and other gigs, and the women there were as bad as any young wans! They get three too many wines into them and they are sloppy and rude, and have the worst stench of entitlement off them. All scuttered drunk, going into the mens toilets, "I'm pregnant, I have to go now!". I am not looking forward to that lot again!

HeidiHeidi

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Croke Park has had an attendence of over 64 000 for most of the past 100 years - and has had crowds of up to 90 000 so they knew there was a very large stadium in the vicinity of their houses while purchasing.....

Well I'll have to take your word for this as well.

But let say you bought your house in... the 60's. You're now getting on for elderly. There was a great big stadium over your back wall which had occasional matches on a Sunday or Saturday afternoon which attracted a sporty crowd for a few afternoon hours on whatever day.

That's a whole pile different from today, when there's about five times the amount of matches (as previously pointed out by some other poster), with much bigger attendances, AND (the point at issue in this thread) a whole load of night-time gigs with drink being served before during and after, on weekends and on weeknights, with the promoters/authorities seemingly willing to increase the number of those gigs on a whim without the slightest consultation with residents who will be very much affected by them.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm getting so worked up about it all - like I said I don't live anywhere near the place so it won't affect me - but the casual dismissal of the local residents as just cranks and NIMBYs pisses me off something rotten :mad:

dtipp

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Croke Park has had an attendence of over 64 000 for most of the past 100 years - and has had crowds of up to 90 000 so they knew there was a very large stadium in the vicinity of their houses while purchasing.....




I call bull**** on this part in bold. Nobody is stopped going in and out of their homes. And I've been a regular attendee at Croke Park over the years - its absolute rubbish to say there's "three deep parking" outside peoples houses - Care to name a street where this is even possible - to my knowledge, in all of the streets in the vicinity this would necessitate parking on both carriage ways of those streets - Which would result in the cars being towed.

Honestly - if your going to take part in an argument would you not come up with some points that are in any way valid.

I used to be a resident in the Croke Park area.

Firstly, it was probably easier park on big match/concert days than other days. The reason being that on big days, the roads surrounding the stadium (I was at the North Strand side) were blocked off, so it was handy enough getting in and out. It just involved a few words with a Garda, and him/her moving a bollard. No hassle at all - and fewer cars than normal on the streets.

Secondly, I like the area. 99% of the people are sound. But the only hassle I ever saw on any weekend came from people that wouldn't have ever seen the inside of Croke Park. Never once saw someone with a GAA jersey (or someone obviously there for a music event) causing trouble near Croke Park (not saying they've never caused trouble, there must be some idiots, considering the numbers).

The residents association don't represent all the residents remember.
I reckon the vast majority would be happy enough with the way the GAA treats the community - especially because of the local fund that the GAA contributes to for different projects in the area.