2014 Nissan Qashqai 1.2?

RedDeadMarshal

I was watching Bob Flavin reviewing the new Qashqai, and he said it has a 1.2 with a turbo, producing 120bhp. In his review he said that you don't feel that it's 120bhp. I'm not surprised I spurted my drink out of my mouth hen he said it has a 1.2. 1.2 in a size of Qashqai? What are your opinions? Would you buy one?

Leonard Hofstadter

It's a 1.2 turbo, not a NA 1.2. For the record, I would never buy anything with such a small engine, but it's probably not as bad as it sounds.

MJ23

It would'nt pull you out of the bed. It's not a car, it's not a jeep.
What's the point of a 1.2lt engine?

Drummerboy08

I've driven one, and it doesn't feel like a 1.2 at all.

Much better than the older 1.6, and even feels quicker than the old 2.0. It's also more fuel efficient and has lower CO2's..

I love how there's always a comment on here when a large-ish car with a small engine is brought to the market - "Oh it's underpowered", "Oh it wouldn't pull the socks off a snowman" etc etc etc. I'd love to know how many of these people have actually driven the car in question before making their opinion heard.

Zonda999

Out of interest, what rough proportion of the Qashqai's sold here in the last 5 years or so have been petrol? I was always under the impression there were practically all diesel but I think I might have been off a bit, especially when you lookn at the price, a decently specced 1.5 dci new model Qashqai is about €28k, add €1.5k to step up to the 1.6dci

On the subject of the 1.2 turbo new model, probably isn't going to be a road rocket but if you're the kind of person who would be considering buying one in the first case, you wouldn't care a whole lot. Any average sized car with the base petrol engine isn't going to be "fast"

Drummerboy08

There was quite a few 1.6 and 2.0 petrol Qashqai sold in 2007 and early 2008, but when the CO2 system was brought in, most people bought the 1.5DCi. Only those who wanted an Auto really went for the petrol option after that.

Small petrol engines are the short term way forward for someone who doesn't need a diesel for mileage, and they're actually starting to make a comeback.

Zonda999

Totally agree, diesel has almost certainly peaked in terms of market share!

In fairness as well, the new Qashqai is a good looking car and is getting good reviews. It had to be good for the sake of Nissans future in Europe. One poor shout Nissan Ireland have made though is take alloys off the base model,it gets 16" steel wheels. IIRC, all old model Qashqai's in this country got alloys. Any "crossover" looks crap without them IMO

Base XE spec

Mid spec SV

Drummerboy08

Yeah, I was fairly shocked when I saw a new XE recently.

Gumbo

2000 due into Nissan Ireland by March and all of them are already reserved.

Leonard Hofstadter

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Yeah, I was fairly shocked when I saw a new XE recently.

Since it screams povety spec, all the Irish will love it:D! I bet most people will buy it because it's the cheapest and in the Irish mindset, less is more, "less things to go wrong" and all that stupid mentality that goes with it.

On a more serious note, this car is the perfect example of how much better a car can look with a nice set of alloys. The Paddy special XE simply looks horrific!

Zonda999

I was actually wrong, its not only Nissan Ireland because even the UK Qashqai base model does not get alloys either! Surely an even poorer decision for over there seeing as they are far more clued in buyers!

dr.fuzzenstein

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I've driven one, and it doesn't feel like a 1.2 at all.

Much better than the older 1.6, and even feels quicker than the old 2.0. It's also more fuel efficient and has lower CO2's..

I love how there's always a comment on here when a large-ish car with a small engine is brought to the market - "Oh it's underpowered", "Oh it wouldn't pull the socks off a snowman" etc etc etc. I'd love to know how many of these people have actually driven the car in question before making their opinion heard.

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti. It's almost a car.
Was so happy to be back in my 1.8 CMax oilburner.
5th gear, foot down and it picks up. Yeti, 6th, nothing, 5th, nothing, 4th, nothing, 3rd gear, engine screaming, valves bouncing off the underside off the bonnet, yes, yes, very, very slowly, the speed was rising ever so slowly whilst the truck behind me was looming large in my rear view mirror.
In the future, with those milk-carton engines, a nice bit of torque will be a thing of the past.
Switch down 3-4 gears and scream the engine to the red line if you need to speed up.

d1234

Zonda999 wrote: »

I was actually wrong, its not only Nissan Ireland because even the UK Qashqai base model does not get alloys either! Surely an even poorer decision for over there seeing as they are far more clued in buyers!

Yeah that's true - even with the last model I don't think you could get the hubcaps here whereas there were plenty of those in the UK.

spank_inferno

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti. It's almost a car.
Was so happy to be back in my 1.8 CMax oilburner.
5th gear, foot down and it picks up. Yeti, 6th, nothing, 5th, nothing, 4th, nothing, 3rd gear, engine screaming, valves bouncing off the underside off the bonnet, yes, yes, very, very slowly, the speed was rising ever so slowly whilst the truck behind me was looming large in my rear view mirror.
In the future, with those milk-carton engines, a nice bit of torque will be a thing of the past.
Switch down 3-4 gears and scream the engine to the red line if you need to speed up.

I drove same for a short while & I found it perfectly fine, didn't need to make the engine "scream" to progress.

Many UK reviews of the Yeti when launched recommended the 1.2 as the engine to go for.

Id have no problem with a 120hp 1.2 from the Nissan .

sam22

we have a skoda rapid 1.2tsi elegance an it is decently specced andquick enough when it needs to be.

corkgsxr

Zonda999 wrote: »

Out of interest, what rough proportion of the Qashqai's sold here in the last 5 years or so have been petrol? I was always under the impression there were practically all diesel but I think I might have been off a bit, especially when you lookn at the price, a decently specced 1.5 dci new model Qashqai is about €28k, add €1.5k to step up to the 1.6dci

On the subject of the 1.2 turbo new model, probably isn't going to be a road rocket but if you're the kind of person who would be considering buying one in the first case, you wouldn't care a whole lot. Any average sized car with the base petrol engine isn't going to be "fast"

Id imagine its faster than the 1.5dci.

None of the qashqai's have been very fast.

Jesus.

Never. Not a hope. You have to draw the line somewhere.

ltdslipdiff

Drove a new Megane with same engine, felt surprisingly sprightly, definitely going to be a bit more tested in the larger Qashqai. Nice quiet unit, with timing chain and start/stop and 6 speeds too, so ideal for the school run traffic jam !

Jesus.

Zonda999 wrote: »

In fairness as well, the new Qashqai is a good looking car

That, old boy, is a matter of opinion! :eek:

ltdslipdiff

corkgsxr wrote: »

Id imagine its faster than the 1.5dci.

None of the qashqai's have been very fast.

The 1.6 dCi 130bhp is a quick enough machine. Was the most powerful production 1.6 diesel engine until Opel/GM beat the output with their new unit

http://media.opel.com/content/media/intl/en/opel/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/intl/en/2013/opel/01_16_new_opel_diesel.html

Zonda999

Jesus. wrote: »

That, old boy, is a matter of opinion! :eek:

Well for what It is I mean! As in its relatively good looking compared to, say, the Dacia Duster or Fiat 500MPW for example(:eek:)

Jesus.

Fair point Zonda!

dr.fuzzenstein

Jesus. wrote: »

Never. Not a hope. You have to draw the line somewhere.

I'm waiting for the new Cashcow driven by 4 hamsters inside the wheels..
People will loose their knickers over them.

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'm waiting for the new Cashcow driven by 4 hamsters inside the wheels..People will loose their knickers over them.

Coming to a showroom near you soon :P

I use a "forget the engine altogether and just hoist a sail on the roof" line for guys that love those tiny engines.

I was on the Motorway earlier and seriously, anything over 60 in my 1.6 petrol car and you'd swear you were crucifying the bloody thing. I don't know how guys find that pleasant in a car, having to work them so hard.

You can't bate a good Daysul Doc, that's the long and short of it.

ba_barabus

I think people need to just go out and try these cars. I've covered a lot if miles in a 1.2TSI YETI and I've loved them all. It has its faults but its a dam good engine. I suspect the biggest fault in the future will be careless owners who neglect them. Very nippy, very will, great for low mileage drivers. Good up to motorway skills but certainly not as economical as a diesel. But if that's what you want get a diesel.

I've yet to try the Nissan/Renault 1.2T but I imagine its a car you will enjoy if you learn to drive it right (like every car).

Small engines no longer mean underpowered. I'm not saying they're performance engines but they aren't a bad place to be.

Jesus.

Barabbas, its not so much that they're slow as such, I think its more to do with some people not wanting to have to thrash a little engine all the time. I'm one of those. I don't get any comfort driving a car that you have to work hard. I know to plenty of fellas that's exactly what they like doing but not me. I like a car to just be ticking over nicely and not breaking much of a sweat.

These little motors in fairly large, heavy cars just ain't that.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

Barabbas, its not so much that they're slow as such, I think its more to do with some people not wanting to have to thrash a little engine all the time. I'm one of those. I don't get any comfort driving a car that you have to work hard. I know to plenty of fellas that's exactly what they like doing but not me. I like a car to just be ticking over nicely and not breaking much of a sweat

I love engines like that. Don't get me wrong. I love an engine that just goes. straight 6's are super for it.

These are just a different type of engine that require a different style of driving.

Nothing wrong with that either. They're well able to potter around town and perform if needed. Obviously a larger capacity engine would be far nicer but more expensive to buy and run new for an average driver.

They have their place.

Bobo78

Jesus. wrote: »

Barabbas, its not so much that they're slow as such, I think its more to do with some people not wanting to have to thrash a little engine all the time. I'm one of those. I don't get any comfort driving a car that you have to work hard. I know to plenty of fellas that's exactly what they like doing but not me. I like a car to just be ticking over nicely and not breaking much of a sweat.

These little motors in fairly large, heavy cars just ain't that.

Only God knows what's wrong with your car since it's that bad as you say it.
Friend had one of those 1.6 petrol Laguna and it was decent drive.

JackF1

Ill use my mother as an example. She has a 1.2t A3 with 105hp. It wouldn't pull you out of bed but she doesn't really notice.
My father has an A6 auto with 245hp which she drives regularly.
Does she notice the difference in power? Yes of course.
Is it an issue? No because she still drives at the same speeds.
Most people are like this. Very few people enjoy real power.
The most aggressive drivers who drive fast tend to have cars in the 120-180hp range.
I've 200+ and take it handy but use it ocassionally but have on numerous occasions been pushed into a different lane etc by someone in a 2.0tdi 120/136/140 whatever hp A4.

Jesus.

But I think people are hoodwinked into thinking these little engines will save them money at the pumps when in reality they'll save them very little. While the manufacturers mpg figures have risen rapidly over the last few years, the real World figures ain't risen that much a'tall. Driving a heavy car like a Qashqai with a tiny 1.2 might be economical in Lab conditions but on the roads you'd have to work it pretty damn hard every time you take it out. And we all know the effect of that on the MPG of little engines. It shoots through the floor.

Bobo, your mate must like driving a car you have to thrash a bit. More luck to him but he ain't saving anything at the pumps if he thinks he is compared to an engine suitable for a heavy lump of a yoke like that. He'd be better off getting a 2 liter and not have to rev the sh*t out of it all the time.

Come to think of it, so would I!

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

But I think people are hoodwinked into thinking these little engines will save them money at the pumps when in reality they'll save them very little. While the manufacturers mpg figures have risen rapidly over the last few years, the real World figures ain't risen that much a'tall. Driving a heavy car like a Qashqai with a tiny 1.2 might be economical in Lab conditions but on the roads you'd have to work it pretty damn hard every time you take it out. And we all know the effect of that on the MPG of little engines. It shoots through the floor.

QFT. But as long as the EU tests are so far removed from reality, the pint sized small capacity engines are here to stay. I'm sure that in the real world this pint sized Qashqai engine is probably better to drive than an NA 1.6 because it has more low down torque. But I also bet that in the real world the old 1.6 does more mpg, and of course because the old 1.6 had no turbo or direct injection, it didn't have those things that could go expensively wrong once the car is out of warranty.

In the real world, larger capacity engines deliver more mpg and of course are much nicer to drive. The problem with pint sized turbo engines is if you're out of the (often quite narrow) power band you're back to a non-turbo engine for power and toque, and of course small engines have none of either. They're also more reliable as the engine doesn't have as much work to do, and in the case of older cars, there was less technology, so less to go wrong, which especially given how poorly almost all Irish motorists maintain their cars, is important.

Gael23

For someone doing any sort of mileage I wouldn't go near that 1.2. If your driving is confined mostly to A to B trips then possibly but not otherwise. The 1.5 dci does need to be worked hard on acceleration but fuel economy is impressive and tax is low.
The XE with steel wheels looks ridiculous. On the old model you just got smaller alloys with the base spec

dr.fuzzenstein

spank_inferno wrote: »

I drove same for a short while & I found it perfectly fine, didn't need to make the engine "scream" to progress.

Many UK reviews of the Yeti when launched recommended the 1.2 as the engine to go for.

Id have no problem with a 120hp 1.2 from the Nissan .

They must have been driving another car or maybe they where given a 2 litre and told it's the 1.2.
I found it weedy.

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

They must have been driving another car or maybe they where given a 2 litre and told it's the 1.2.I found it weedy.

The engines themselves then start to have negative comments directed at them even when they're probably cracking little units and would be perfect in a Supermini or something. But because they're in such a large car they get called all sorts of names.

This Country is dreadful in general for small, under-powered engines and a lot of that is down to the Government.

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

The engines themselves then start to have negative comments directed at them even when they're probably cracking little units and would be perfect in a Supermini or something. But because they're in such a large car they get called all sorts of names.

This Country is dreadful in general for small, under-powered engines and a lot of that is down to the Government.

I blame the people mainly. In Ireland you have to justify buying a car with anything other than the smallest possible engine, because "sure you'd never need to go too fast" and a larger engine will "cost a lot of tax" and "guzzle" fuel:eek::rolleyes::D! Sure you don't "need" a car with a "large" engine. I remember learning to drive in a 1.8 petrol, people looked at me as if I had two heads, sure how could I learn to drive in a car with such a 'big' engine.

This small engined penny wise but pound foolish attitude is endemic in Ireland. It has been there when it comes to cars for as long as I can remember. All they think about is the small engine 'to save on the tax' and supposedly to save on juice, though of course because these small engined cars are specials for Ireland and were never designed for the car, actually use more fuel in the real world. Even now, with engine capacity having no bearing whatsoever on motor tax, I don't think it's ever going to change, unfortunately. People are buying diesels when they have absolutely no need whatsoever, because they are cheaper to tax and the man in the pub said they're 'great yokes'.

Irish people have absolutely no interest in cars whatsoever, their idea of a 'nice' car is a 'new' one, they don't bother servicing them because that's a 'waste of money', sure don't we know that the NCT is a 'money making racket'. Most people don't know what independent rear suspension and electric power steering are, or even other concepts that are really easy to anyone with an interest in cars. In Ireland the car is a device strictly for moving people from a to b in the least costly and most reliable manner, no passion, no interest in looking after it and having it well presented, none of that.

That's why I will always buy my cars in the UK or else from an enthusiast in Ireland, at least I know the car will have been looked after and will be a good spec and have a decent capacity engine with enough power.

corkgsxr

More short term views. Bigger engines have much lower nox emissions. And will last higher miles.

Leonard Hofstadter

corkgsxr wrote: »

More short term views. Bigger engines have much lower nox emissions. And will last higher miles.

And they usually have more cylinders, so sound a lot nicer and of course, bigger engines are always nicer to drive than smaller capacity units end of story because they have the raw power a small engine simply doesn't.

Blandpebbles

Got my Qashqai 1.2 today... stunning spec and superb drive.

Enuff said.

spank_inferno

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Got my Qashqai 1.2 today... stunning spec and superb drive.

Enuff said.

People may be shocked if you can climb a slight hill without red-lining the engine!

What is it like?

BobMc

also have a 1.2 on order should have it in couple weeks, every dealer we visited was against us buying diesel, low mileage users last car we've had for 10 years and put 65k miles on it, we thought it test drove well, felt much more powerfull than our 2003 avensis 1.6 pertrol, will update when we have it

rovoagho

What's the engine life on these, a week and a half?

Gael23

Well it pumps out decent bhp so for low mileage users it should be ok but for anyone doing any sort of average mileage then diesel is the only way.
I think the XE model with steel wheels looks repulsive too.

OO7FITZY

Folks,

Ordered a 1.5 dci last week, and was told I won't have it until end April (worst case)...does this tie in with what others are hearing?

I only drove the 1.5 dci and it felt good and enough power / torque for me

Yakuza

I have the +2 1.6 petrol, it's ok when it's just me in the car, but when it's the whole family with luggage in it, it struggles badly (especially on the motorways running through the mountains in Spain). The 1.5 dci was able to cope with it much better. The 1.2 QQ is 101kg lighter than the 1.6 QQ+2, but I would still shudder to think how a 1.2 would behave under similar load and road conditions.

Slightly OT, but I understand the new Xtrail (basically an inflated version of the new QQ - (not bad looking, I'll admit)) is going to be offered with a 1.6 engine...eww.

TheDoc

Have a Qashai on a list alongside a Hyundai i35x and i40.

To be fair, I was under the impression there was a push to get smaller engines packing higher horsepower. Wouldn't be put of by a 1.2l in the slightest.

I drive a 1.4L Astra and it does have a fair amount of zip I might miss, but it has it's costs

Yakuza

Yakuza wrote: »

I have the +2 1.6 petrol, it's ok when it's just me in the car, but when it's the whole family with luggage in it, it struggles badly (especially on the motorways running through the mountains in Spain). The 1.5 dci was able to cope with it much better. The 1.2 QQ is 101kg lighter than the 1.6 QQ+2, but I would still shudder to think how a 1.2 would behave under similar load and road conditions.

Slightly OT, but I understand the new Xtrail (basically an inflated version of the new QQ - (not bad looking, I'll admit)) is going to be offered with a 1.6 engine...eww.

Sorry for the bump and it's a bit OT, but I took a test drive in the new XTrail yesterday, and I have to say it's quite a pokey (in the power sense, not the space sense ) little beast (just me and the someone from the dealer in the car, but it still was quite nippy!). I may have to eat my earlier words...I was quite tempted by it.

Gael23

Yakuza wrote: »

Sorry for the bump and it's a bit OT, but I took a test drive in the new XTrail yesterday, and I have to say it's quite a pokey (in the power sense, not the space sense ) little beast (just me and the someone from the dealer in the car, but it still was quite nippy!). I may have to eat my earlier words...I was quite tempted by it.

Thats for a thread of its own but they look great.