How important is putting to overall handicap / shots saved per round.

14handicap

If 40% of your shots as an average amateur are putts then how important is it to your overall game? and if you put much more practice and attention into it how many shots could you save per round.

For 2014 I am going to track my putting stats in fine detail as I hope to shave at least 4 shots off my handicap of 14 through putting alone.
I spent the last 2 days for a hour on the practice putting green and could instantly see and feel a difference.

So I am going to record and post my number of Putts per round on this over the next 12months. Will be interesting if I can make these improvements and save 4+ shots.
By the way I will do at least 4hrs a week on the putting green to see if this is possible.

Thoughts...!!!

Wichita Lineman

Absolutely crucial. On a day when you get a really good score you have to be putting well. Getting to the green can often reasonably straight forward only for the putter to be cold and you walk off disappointed.

PARlance

This might be a useful reference point for this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056978802&page=3

I would suggest taking all your stats and looking at them as a whole, rather than focusing just on putting.

GIR%, Up and Down%, Putting Stats are all very closely linked so they should be looked at together imo.

The best way to improve your putting is to hit less greens in regulation

Post # 5 and 6 on that thread show two 8 HC's, it's interesting to compare the stats.
Player A: GIR 31%, average putts 1.7
Player B: GIR 43%, average putts 1.8

If just looking at the putting stats, you might say Player A is the better putter, it could easily be the case that Player B is the better putter in real terms (if that was the case, Player A is leaving himself shorter putts...better at the short game)

Dedicating time to putting is great and it's probably the quickest area to knock off a few shots, but I think there's a lot of bad practice that you can do with it as well, maybe someone will pitch in with a few good drills.
Without going into it in more detail, I think it's commonly advised not to be dropping balls and putting from the same spot more than once, keep changing your putts and dont just stand over it and putt, take a bit of time to make it as close to a proper round scenario as possible.

Russman

As its generally the last shot you take on a hole, I'd say its by far the most important aspect.
In simple terms you can hit 3 scruffy enough shots on a par 4 and still be on the green, and hole a 15 footer for par. You can hit two beautiful shots to 15 feet on the same hole and if you're a poor putter, take 3 putts for a bogey.
Obviously there are variations, but the reward for a good short shot is far greater than for a good long shot IMO.

I once kept stats for a couple of seasons showing my shots with the wedges and putter (don't know why I didn't separate them) and without fail, they took up almost exactly 60% of my total no matter what I scored, it was scarily consistent.

Striving to improve the long game is important, but for scoring and immediate payoff, its all about the short game IMHO.

Aesop

In my opinion there are two stats you should be recording, total putts per round and GIR. If your GIR is low (for me playing off 12 low is less than 33%) then you should have fewer putts ( for me ~32). If you are not then is it your chipping or putting. Are you consistently chipping to within 3-4 feet and missing the putts? If you are then yes putting practice will knock 3-4 shots off your game. If no then you need to be working on the short game.

If your GIR is higher then you probably will have more putts but that's doesn't mean you are a bad putter it just means your first putt on each green is likely to be longer. For most 36 putts is perfectly achievable with high GIR but that's down to each individual on the strength of their game. I would suggest with most people in our handicap range with high GIR would have a good score with 34 putts.

For me putting practice follows the law of diminishing returns. If I am putting poorly I can easily pick up 3 or 4 shots. However if I am putting reasonably well I am not going to pick up many shots in a round. No matter how hard I try I am never going to consistently drain 20-30 foot putts.

I am assuming here that part of your practice routine always involves putting. I am just saying focusing on it too much at the cost of your short game might not yield the returns you are looking for.

mike12

Putting is a funny one, no matter how good you are if you play on a course with large or undulating greens then distance to the hole is the key to keeping the number of putts down. If you hit all 18 greens but are outside 20 foot each time then 36 putts is a good return no matter how good of a putter you are.
Same if you miss all 18 greens then if you chip to 6 foot each time then 27 putts is good. But if you can chip to 3 foot then 18 putts is what you would expect.
We all have those days when we hole everything but those are the exception.
If you are a poor putter in that you regularly 3 putt from 20 foot or miss a few 3 footers per round or don't make 50+% of your 5 to 7 footers then you can improve a lot with practice.
Buy a Putting Fork or a Pelz putting Gizmo to make sure you are starting the ball on the line you think you are aiming, they are also great for green reading.

mike12

Russman wrote: »

As its generally the last shot you take on a hole, I'd say its by far the most important aspect.
In simple terms you can hit 3 scruffy enough shots on a par 4 and still be on the green, and hole a 15 footer for par. You can hit two beautiful shots to 15 feet on the same hole and if you're a poor putter, take 3 putts for a bogey.
Obviously there are variations, but the reward for a good short shot is far greater than for a good long shot IMO.

I once kept stats for a couple of seasons showing my shots with the wedges and putter (don't know why I didn't separate them) and without fail, they took up almost exactly 60% of my total no matter what I scored, it was scarily consistent.

Striving to improve the long game is important, but for scoring and immediate payoff, its all about the short game IMHO.

If the 60% was always consistent does that not suggest it is your long game that is at fault if you score badly.

First Up

Apart from eliminating duffs or penalty strokes (and staying out of greenside bunkers), putts are pretty well the only place you can reduce your number of shots in a round. You can't reduce the number of tee shots, or second shots on par 4's. Depending on your length, you may not be able to cut down on third shots to longer par 4's or on par 5's. So realistically, you can only save shots from say 40 yards in. If you could get all those shots on the dance floor and take no more than two putts, I'll bet you could cut at least 5 and maybe more off the typical round.

Putting is ultimately where the most shots are saved but in order to do that, you also need to be staying out of 3 putt territory, so the chipping and pitching matters too. And stay out of green side bunkers, water hazards and OB of course.

Russman

mike12 wrote: »

If the 60% was always consistent does that not suggest it is your long game that is at fault if you score badly.

In my case, yes, my long game (driving) was and is my weakness, generally speaking. I'm a very good chipper and putter. But I still practised holing out from 3-4 feet a lot and chipping around the greens because I think that no matter how good anyone is, there's always some scope for improvement around the greens, however small.

That stat was also from a period of 3 years when I played very well. Haven't kept it for the last few years for some reason, but I'd be interested to see what it is. Might do it for this year.

I suppose the caveat would be that it depends on what sort of a base you're coming from Op.

PARlance

Two of my best rounds from last year came from rounds where I had 40 & 43 putts last year.......

Hit 61% & 67% of GIR's in those 2 rounds.

There's no getting away from the fact that when you're approaching 50% of your shots per round being putts there is something wrong...
I'll will never forget those rounds and have seriously looked at my putting since, if I had even had 39 putts per round in both I would have knocked 2-3 strokes off my handicap.... not an easy pill to swallow.... an 86 with 6 3 putts!!!! :mad:

Russman

PARlance wrote: »

Two of my best rounds from last year came from rounds where I had 40 & 43 putts last year

Now THAT'S scary !! (with all due respect)

PARlance

Russman wrote: »

Now THAT'S scary !! (with all due respect)

You didn't have to live through it!!!!

Couldn't have played any better tee to green, and then it all went pair shaped.
I was hitting 2 out of every 3 greens which was great (11 of the last 14 after a bad start), but I was leaving myself long long putts... the first 3 putt came early, the 2nd followed... I was nearly crying by the end of it, lag putting was horrendous.

Shattered my confidence on the greens for a good month.
It was a slow and painful rebuilding process but it forced me to look at a few things that I may not have, so lets hope it works out for the good in the long run.

mike12

PARlance wrote: »

You didn't have to live through it!!!!

Couldn't have played any better tee to green, and then it all went pair shaped.
I was hitting 2 out of every 3 greens which was great (11 of the last 14 after a bad start), but I was leaving myself long long putts... the first 3 putt came early, the 2nd followed... I was nearly crying by the end of it, lag putting was horrendous.

Shattered my confidence on the greens for a good month.
It was a slow and painful rebuilding process but it forced me to look at a few things that I may not have, so lets hope it works out for the good in the long run.

Problem is that people think hitting the green is the number 1 thing it isnt if you hit the front of a green with the flag on the back up 3 tiers you will 3 putt a lot of the time, it you are just off the back fringe 10 foot from the flag you will get down in 2 almost every time.
Distance to the flag is the think everyone should be looking to improve no matter what club you are hitting. If you could get your PW,9,8 iron inside 20 foot that is where you will improve in leaps and bounds.

PARlance

mike12 wrote: »

Problem is that people think hitting the green is the number 1 thing it isnt if you hit the front of a green with the flag on the back up 3 tiers you will 3 putt a lot of the time, it you are just off the back fringe 10 foot from the flag you will get down in 2 almost every time.
Distance to the flag is the think everyone should be looking to improve no matter what club you are hitting. If you could get your PW,9,8 iron inside 20 foot that is where you will improve in leaps and bounds.

That would make me feel better if my course had more than one tiered green of any significance or if the greens were monsters (not small either)

The way my short game was at the time, more missed greens over those rounds may not have made a difference to the overall score.
2013 focus was long game and long irons mainly (home course from the blues doesn't present many, if any, chances of hitting short irons/wedges to the green with your 2nd on a Par 4)
2014 focus is the short stuff.

That may be a bit a**eways approach to it, but at least I know how much it was costing me and with a bit of hope the short game work will actually pay off now as I have gotten to the level where it represents scoring shots as opposed to being out of the hole.

Completely agree your thinking though.

Webbs

mike12 wrote: »

Problem is that people think hitting the green is the number 1 thing it isnt if you hit the front of a green with the flag on the back up 3 tiers you will 3 putt a lot of the time, it you are just off the back fringe 10 foot from the flag you will get down in 2 almost every time.
Distance to the flag is the think everyone should be looking to improve no matter what club you are hitting. If you could get your PW,9,8 iron inside 20 foot that is where you will improve in leaps and bounds.

That sort of shooting would get you into the top 50- 100 on the PGA for distance to pin. The curse of watching to much golf on TV has led nearly all of us to have unrealistic goals.

Agree totally about thinking more about where is good to be aiming i.e back middle and front and what club to take.

If your a long long way from the pin sometimes we have to take a 3 putt and say thats OK.

galwaylad14

I think the most important thing about putting is holing out from 4 feet in. These are vital putts as generally these are the one's you will have for pars (or bogeys depending on your level) and it's vital for your score you hole all these. And a knock on effect of improving your putting from this range is it will allow your long putting to get better as you won't be as nervous about 3 putting if you know you don;t have to leave the long putt stone dead. I guarantee if you can improve your short putting, your long putting will naturally improve too.

I don't think the overall importance of putting can't be overstated. If you think about it, everything else you work on in golf such as your driving, your iron play, chipping, bunkers etc is all just with the ultimate goal of giving yourself an easier putt at the hole. To use an analogy, the putter is like your striker in soccer, the rest of the team just work to set him up with a chance.

Russman

[QUOTE=Webbs;88845769]That sort of shooting would get you into the top 50- 100 on the PGA for distance to pin. The curse of watching to much golf on TV has led nearly all of us to have unrealistic goals.
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100% agree
From last year but still relevant IMO;
http://www.golfwrx.com/82327/golfers-have-ridiculous-expectations/

mike12

Russman wrote: »

100% agree
From last year but still relevant IMO;
http://www.golfwrx.com/82327/golfers-have-ridiculous-expectations/

i suppose my point was that we would hit zero shots with those irons inside 20 feet. We hit GIR but how many are real birdie chances. The low handicappers i play with the biggest difference is the amount of birdie chances they give themselves with their short irons.

HB2002

I think it's vital that you don't kill yourself off the tee but putting is where you can make up shots quickly.

Without doubt practise is huge.... most people reckon their 10 minutes putting on the practise green is more than enough to cover themselves but it's not.

I was reading a book ( the name escapes me! ) which maintains that you should focus your practise on putt's from 10 feet and in and less ( but still some! ) time on the longer putts because that's the distance you'll be putting under most pressure whether it's for a birdie or to not scratch the hole.

I know that if I walk off the course at the weekend and I've not 3 putted then I'll have a decent score.
If you're off 12 and 2 putt every green..... you're most likely going to have yourself 8,9 maybe 10 pars
that's not hitting a huge amount of gir's....

There's a guy in America ( The Dan Plan ) who's testing the theory that 10,000 hours of structured practise in any field can make you an expert in that field, he picked golf. He'd never played before and for the first 6 months he was only allowed to putt, 6 months solid before he got another club in his hand!.

FixdePitchmark

mike12 wrote: »

i suppose my point was that we would hit zero shots with those irons inside 20 feet. We hit GIR but how many are real birdie chances. The low handicappers i play with the biggest difference is the amount of birdie chances they give themselves with their short irons.

I agree with this - even if it will cause some posters to go nuts.

I think the number of birdie chances and birdies you get it a great indicator of where your overall game is at.

If you have a 9 iron , PW , 52 in your hands and walk off without even a chance of a birdie - your short irons are weak , you are exposing your putting to more putts per round. I tend to want to have at least 4 good birdie chances per round.
I'l make 1, or 2 - a rare day 3. But I'd rather have birdie chances, I feel I'm not playing golf, I want to play if not.

I guess there are many variables at play. I think it is over simplistic to say putting , putting , putting - Of course it is one of the most important things - but if you want to improve there are other factors at stake.

In general
Weak putters tends to blame other things - strong putters tend to ignore the weak part.
We tend to blame other things for our flaws - this is a human trait that tends to come to the fore in golf.

Rikand

We should get everyone to keep track of all these stats for the boards society outings. be interesting to compare how people of different handicaps/ability levels match up against each other in the stats

charlieIRL

Rikand wrote: »

We should get everyone to keep track of all these stats for the boards society outings. be interesting to compare how people of different handicaps/ability levels match up against each other in the stats

I'd have some crack with the axe when it comes to handicaps then!!!:D

Rippeditup

My feeling is that short putts (inside 5/6 ft) are where you save shots.. Becoming consistent from this range makes a huge difference rather than just improving your putting generally..

Generally I find if I am driving well and pitching well I will score well.

As someone mentioned earlier a great tool is the Pelz alignment aid as you get instant feedback when hitting putts (not holing putts but seeing them go through the barings).

Russman

Make your bad shots better (whatever they are) and you'll improve.

Failing that, work on your short game. And if that doesn't work, work on the short game some more.:)

Ciaranra

I agree with webbs its about distance to pin,how many times you hit g.i.r and have a 40 foot putt the chances off 2 putting are very slim

GreeBo

Ciaranra wrote: »

I agree with webbs its about distance to pin,how many times you hit g.i.r and have a 40 foot putt the chances off 2 putting are very slim

I think the above vastly depends on what handicap you are.

If you are playing to 28 then losing less balls of the tee is probably going to help your score more (for example)

I think GIR and birdie putt distance are largely irrelevant to higher handicap golfers.
If you cant play to 18 then you have other issues over how close you are hitting your approach shots.

Ciaranra

Yes but i believe 90% time alot golfers come up short regardless handicap.Something as simple as taking an extra club or aiming to go past the pin would make a dif.

Ciaranra

Just to ad you should be thinking gir to your own handicap.so if yoi have a shot on every hole then on par 4s you should be thinking il get on in 3 shots and have 2 putts and so on.

PARlance

Ciaranra wrote: »

Just to ad you should be thinking gir to your own handicap.so if yoi have a shot on every hole then on par 4s you should be thinking il get on in 3 shots and have 2 putts and so on.

I think that is a good guide for an 18 HC'er but I think it should be tailored slightly and I would say that they should be going for an normal GIR for 25-50% of the holes.

If they were to follow the GIR +1 approach strictly, i.e irons from the tees on Par 4's etc, then whilst it is a lot safer, it still doesn't guarantee that it will be successful. A few mi****s or penalty strokes (missed GIR +1's) with this method and it means that instead of 2 putting for a Level 2 round, they would need to get their putts down to 31,32 putts. That would probably be a great day on the green for an 18 HC'er...and even with that, they would be sitting in the buffer zone.

Every golfer is different but I think anyone that wants to reduce their handicap should be aiming for more than just a GIR +1.

That method would be great for someone struggling to play to 18 though.

PARlance

^^^
Reading that back, that really is the post of a poor putter
(No faith in recovering shots on the green with several one putts ;( )

I still think it holds true though, you need to push it a bit to
1. Cover up inevitable mistakes and
2. Improve as a golfer.

I think it's a good rule of thumb for an 18 HC'er to play Indices 1-9 as Bogeys and 10-18 as Par holes...
After all, an 18 HC with ambition will want to be playing a lot of the 10-18 as Par holes in the near future.

Ciaranra

Im not saying that a 18 hc should always be thinking gir +1, this should only apply when out of position.
I believe 18+ handicaps scratch more holes on shot choice than ability.
I played with 26 hc in charity comp good of the t and a good putter but shocking how bad he scored.
Example we played dogleg par 5 he had 2 shots he played a good drive 220 id say and course was set out short.
If he cleared dogleg just over 200 to green he did not so a bad mid iron would have left 100 yards.
Hits a 3 wood out of bounds i asked him y he picked the club he said he tried to fade it to the green hole scrathed

Russman

PARlance wrote: »

I think that is a good guide for an 18 HC'er but I think it should be tailored slightly and I would say that they should be going for an normal GIR for 25-50% of the holes.

If they were to follow the GIR +1 approach strictly, i.e irons from the tees on Par 4's etc, then whilst it is a lot safer, it still doesn't guarantee that it will be successful. A few mi****s or penalty strokes (missed GIR +1's) with this method and it means that instead of 2 putting for a Level 2 round, they would need to get their putts down to 31,32 putts. That would probably be a great day on the green for an 18 HC'er...and even with that, they would be sitting in the buffer zone.

Every golfer is different but I think anyone that wants to reduce their handicap should be aiming for more than just a GIR +1.

That method would be great for someone struggling to play to 18 though.

I'd reckon the majority of 18+ h/caps don't really think in such a structured fashion though. They're largely out to just play, and see what it adds up to at the end.

I mean, its such a moveable feast, you can shoot level par hitting no greens or hitting every green.

Russman

Ciaranra wrote: »

Im not saying that a 18 hc should always be thinking gir +1, this should only apply when out of position.
I believe 18+ handicaps scratch more holes on shot choice than ability.
I played with 26 hc in charity comp good of the t and a good putter but shocking how bad he scored.
Example we played dogleg par 5 he had 2 shots he played a good drive 220 id say and course was set out short.
If he cleared dogleg just over 200 to green he did not so a bad mid iron would have left 100 yards.
Hits a 3 wood out of bounds i asked him y he picked the club he said he tried to fade it to the green hole scrathed

Are you Greebo in disguise ?
Just kidding !

I can see your point to an extent though, I've a buddy who plays off 26, wouldn't break 100 in a million years, but he's good for 4 or 5 pars in a round. However a lot of his poor shots are not really choice related, as he'll likely have 3 or 4 air shots, a load of duffs, and take 4 putts at least 5 times.

Shot choice is IMHO part of your ability at "golf", as opposed to your ability at hitting a golf ball. I think they're two very different things.

FixdePitchmark

Russman wrote: »

, I've a buddy who plays off 26, wouldn't break 100 in a million years,

Let us look at maths - 72 + 26 = 98
A million years is a long time.

We should start a project here to get your buddy to break 100 - the course he is paying, a thread here, tips.

If he can get 4 or 5 pars a round - he should be able to .

redhill

its hardly rocket science to say that longterm good chipping & putting are essential if you want to knock 3-4 shots off your scores or handicap.
back in 2004/5 i moved into my current house and it backed onto a golf course between the 4th&5th holes, i was playing off 13 at the time. I have always being a pretty consistent golfer not prolific but generally never below 30pts every round but not too many scores 36pts +...
The spring & summer after moving in i started going through the wee entrance to the course 2-3 nights a week, and working just on my chipping and putting alone and i have pretty much done this for the last 9-10 years. Once the hour goes forward at the end of March, and the kids are in bed etc ,I'd head out... To cut a long story short, my handicap now hovers between 6-7, and all of that is down to my improved short game, from 60-70 yards in i always feel i can get the ball up and down and i regularly have rounds where i have 7-8 "up and downs" either from a bunker, just off the green or further out.
there are a load of elements involved in getting it to work, i read a few short game books, i found the Dave Pelz worked best for me long term over the years, but the bottom line is you need to get a method /technique that is consistent for yourself, its sometimes a bit of trial & error.
The other major area is confidence, having the method drilled in over years gives yourself the belief that you can do it, which is half the battle.... but that's for another thread altogether

Russman

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Let us look at maths - 72 + 26 = 98
A million years is a long time.

We should start a project here to get your buddy to break 100 - the course he is paying, a thread here, tips.

If he can get 4 or 5 pars a round - he should be able to .

Well, ok, its a par 70
I try to explain that its the 7s and 8s that kill him, and he understands, but just........I dunno.

Ciaranra

Yea i think more effort in your approach shot, most golfers off any handicap can 2 putt or better from middle green

Ciaranra

Yea i think more effort in your approach shot, most golfers off any handicap can 2 putt or better from middle green

pinkdoubleeagle

About to leave now and practice my putting for about an hour before it gets dark. Try to do this 3/4 times a week. For me, It's inside 15 feet which determines my score the majority of the time

PARlance

Russman wrote: »

Well, ok, its a par 70
I try to explain that its the 7s and 8s that kill him, and he understands, but just........I dunno.

I was that soldier.... 6 pars, 6 bogeys and 6 scratches wasn't unheard of 12 months ago.
Less pars now, but a hell of a lot less scratches... he'll learn, but it wasn't overnight for me either.

As Ciarana referred to, it's that 3 wood shot and the likes of it that you eventually realise isn't your percentage shot.

GreeBo

PARlance wrote: »

I was that soldier.... 6 pars, 6 bogeys and 6 scratches wasn't unheard of 12 months ago.
Less pars now, but a hell of a lot less scratches... he'll learn, but it wasn't overnight for me either.

As Ciarana referred to, it's that 3 wood shot and the likes of it that you eventually realise isn't your percentage shot.

ahem...
Is my cheque in the post?

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

ahem...
Is my cheque in the post?

Yip, but I posted you the pipe bomb the day before

ForeRight

PARlance wrote: »

Yip, but I posted you the pipe bomb the day before

Cheque covered in anthrax

PARlance

ForeRight wrote: »

Cheque covered in anthrax

Ya I guess you don't post a pipe bomb do you... need to get out the Terrorism for Beginners handbook

Anyway, the sentiment was there :eek:
Only messing Greebo, as much as I don't like to say it, some of your advice was good...

GreeBo

It's all good, you just haven't realised yet...

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

It's all good, you just haven't realised yet...

I honestly think GreeBo has saved me about 4 shots a round - the other 3 were from 300 yard drives :P

Ciaranra

For me its putting inside ten feet.
I would say im a decent putter but dont hole enough from 5+ feet.

spacecoyote

I think there is a balance there with the gir+1 rule.

It should be qualified as aim to be at least on the green in gir+1. So if you can get there in gir or under gir then great, but you should almost be aiming for worst case scenario gir+1. That's how I got my handicap down tactically speaking.

As to putting, I think people need to be more realistic about their expectations re how many putts they should expect to make.

The guy 100 in pga stats for inside 5ft hits 96%
The guy 100 in pga stats for 5-10ft hits 53%
The guy 100 in pga stats 10-15 ft hits 26%
The guy 100 in pga stats 15-20ft hits 16%
The guy 100 in pga stats 20-25ft hits 9%
And 100 from over 25ft hits 4%

That's the 100 best pro from those distances & how do you think your game compares to the 100 best pro in the world, there are light Years betweeen us & them in terms of the game we are playing.

So the moral of the story is don't beat yourself up if you're not holing out from outside 10ft too often & work on your short game to get as many short putts as you can as the odds shoots up massively if you can get in the 5ft range when you're in the scoring zone

Ciaranra

Spacecoyote I agree 100% with that comment

Rippeditup

spacecoyote wrote: »

I think there is a balance there with the gir+1 rule.

It should be qualified as aim to be at least on the green in gir+1. So if you can get there in gir or under gir then great, but you should almost be aiming for worst case scenario gir+1. That's how I got my handicap down tactically speaking.

As to putting, I think people need to be more realistic about their expectations re how many putts they should expect to make.

The guy 100 in pga stats for inside 5ft hits 96%
The guy 100 in pga stats for 5-10ft hits 53%
The guy 100 in pga stats 10-15 ft hits 26%
The guy 100 in pga stats 15-20ft hits 16%
The guy 100 in pga stats 20-25ft hits 9%
And 100 from over 25ft hits 4%

That's the 100 best pro from those distances & how do you think your game compares to the 100 best pro in the world, there are light Years betweeen us & them in terms of the game we are playing.

So the moral of the story is don't beat yourself up if you're not holing out from outside 10ft too often & work on your short game to get as many short putts as you can as the odds shoots up massively if you can get in the 5ft range when you're in the scoring zone

There is a student of mr pelz...

spacecoyote

Rippeditup wrote: »

There is a student of mr pelz...

Actually have the Pelz short game bible on pdf, but have never even opened it.

It's more something I picked up from talking with pros I've had lessons with. I guess they must have been students of Pelz