Avensis 1.6 2005

Roycropper63

hi folks,, does anyone own the above toyota? currently drive an 03 fiesta 1.4 tdci and due to grandkids etc i find it a bit on the small side...head to dublin most weekends and the diesel is giving me over 60 mpg, usually do about 300 miles return each weekend, which includes motorways... at 70 mph she sits at 2500 revs,,,,
can anyone tell me an avensis doing 70 mph where would the revs be?
and roughly what mpg do they give?
thanks in advance!

colm_mcm

Sorry but the 1.6 avensis won't suit your driving if you're looking to get decent economy.

Iirc rpm is around 3600 at 70mph.

Cee-Jay-Cee

The revs will sit at around 3250rpm. They aren't great on petrol, you'd be better off getting the 1.8 version as they're easier run. The bigger engine doesn't need to work as hard.

colm_mcm

I'd stick with a diesel tbh.

George Dalton

I agree with the other posters. To put it in simple terms coming from the Fiesta you would be doubling your fuel costs. I doubt that sounds very appealing :pac:

Roycropper63

thanks lads..
any idea of mpg?

colm_mcm

Early to mid 30s for what you're describing

DanWall

I have a 2005 1.8 petrol, I get nearly 38 mpg on a motorway at 120 km/hr, be careful if you buy a VVti before mid 2005 because of oil burning issues, Fortunately mine is OK

shrek008

2005 1.6 Avensis way underpowered and heavy on juice,too small an engine for that body imo!

Leonard Hofstadter

As above, they're too slow and the gearing is very short, 130 kph on the speedo is 3800 rpm. The 1.8 would use less fuel and be quicker to boot. The 1.8 is not a fast car either but at least it will use less fuel and be quiter because it runs at lower revs.

colm_mcm

But if you were setting out to buy a car for that usage, a petrol avensis of any description shouldn't be on the list.

Roycropper63

thanks colm...
only reason i was considering was that fact that about 4 weekends a year i need more space,,, an extra 2 adults, child seat, buggy 3 carry on luggage etc
again considering my mileage i put up i guess it has to be diesel,,,,

bazz26

Anything petrol in that class/size of car is not going to get anywhere near the mpg of a Fiesta size diesel. A 1.6 litre petrol Avensis will probably return early 30s mpg at best.

If I were you I would be looking at something like a Skoda Octavia 1.9 TDi, old technology reliable diesel and decent space.

toyotaavensis

Unlike most responses here I have an 03 1.6 avensis same as what you are asking about but a little older. Last year I had the misfortune of driving Cork dublin cork dublin. It was a tough two days.
The car was at about 3700-3900 rpm for the trip up and down. It was actually the best mpg I have ever got out of the car (44mpg). I was amazed. That said the 1.8 would have been better.
There is a lad on here who reports getting 47mpg from him 1.6 avensis. I have never got that high though.

Around town she drops to about thirty three-thirty five mpg.

So my experience is better than most of the lads were saying here but I still dont think that the avensis is the car for you. With the milage you do it would have to be a diesel.

colm_mcm

What speed were you doing to get 44mpg?

toyotaavensis

75 the whole way up and down give or take 5 mph. It was 494 miles between fillups (about 50L cant remember exactly as it was last year). About fifty miles better than normal.

My housemate has another avensis he drives a lot harder (harder on the throttle and brake) on the cork kerry route and gets about 430 a tank.

My little woman has a 1.4 corolla from 06. Maybe the saloon might suit your needs better op as it gets better mpg especially the diesel but they have a bit of room in them too.

This is an example of one just so you see what they look like. I am not sure if the 1.4 or 1.9 diesel would suit you better but both were available in this model if i remember right.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-d4d-1-4/6339217

colm_mcm

New or old model 03?

toyotaavensis

The new model

bazz26

I had a newer shape 2003 Avensis 1.8 litre petrol from new for over 4 years. The best I could manage out of it was around 35mpg, I just cannot imagine the less powerful 1.6 litre getting much better.

toyotaavensis

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057009055
here is a lad saying he was getting 47mpg - I usually get about 40 but have got 44 once. The same thread has a lad with a 2.0 saab reporting 40mpg.

Roycropper63

thanks for all the replies lads,,
just getting my paperwork for my nct tomorrow and i have done just short of 17000 miles in 13 months,,,,not kms so i am proving that i only should drive diesel...

again many thanks for all the replies...

Seamus1964

Avensis 2004 1.6 petrol saloon
Driving always under speed limits
Weight: 2 adults - 2 kids
47mpg all day - every day
Owner: 5 years
Never trouble (tyres and motor oil change of course)
Good car! Good car! Good car!

Truckermal

Anybody got some salt for the posters above???

Leonard Hofstadter

Seamus1964 wrote: »

Avensis 2004 1.6 petrol saloon
Driving always under speed limits
Weight: 2 adults - 2 kids
47mpg all day - every day
Owner: 5 years
Never trouble (tyres and motor oil change of course)
Good car! Good car! Good car!

Are you going on the trip computer figures, or have you actually brimmed the tank, driven the car a certain distance, then filled it again and worked out the figures?

I simply do not believe based on driving Avensis in both 1.6 and 1.8 litre guises that anything even close to 47 mpg is possible - 40 mpg is the absolute maximum these cars do, and that's being very careful.

ba_barabus

captainspeed wrote: »

I simply do not believe based on driving Avensis in both 1.6 and 1.8 litre guises that anything even close to 47 mpg is possible - 40 mpg is the absolute maximum these cars do, and that's being very careful.

I had a 99 Avensis 1.6 that I had to drive like a nun for a few weeks. I eeked out 47.1mpg from it over a couple of tanks. Now it was tough going but needs must at the time.

I was in 5h gear at 35mph and never broke 40mph. It was good but there is no way it would get anything near that on the motorway.

colm_mcm

If they were that efficient the co2 tax would've been lower. End of.

Leonard Hofstadter

ba_barabus wrote: »

I had a 99 Avensis 1.6 that I had to drive like a nun for a few weeks. I eeked out 47.1mpg from it over a couple of tanks. Now it was tough going but needs must at the time.

I was in 5h gear at 35mph and never broke 40mph. It was good but there is no way it would get anything near that on the motorway.

Yes and if everyone drove that slowly I'm sure we could all get good mpg figures;)! For the rest of us though, life's too short and I stand by my claim that no 1.6 or 1.8 Avensis under normal driving conditions will top 40 mpg. Perhaps the 09 onwards ones with the six speed gearbox are good on juice, but the VVTis are definitely not very fuel efficient (plus they burn oil as the miles pile on). The old Carina Es with their lean burn 1.6 engines were good on juice, and over 40 mpg in the real world was not unrealistic. Then again they weighed as much as tracing paper, which also helped...

bazz26

A 99 Avensis was a lot different to the 2003 to 2009 Avensis though. Way lighter car and different engines, it was just a re-bodied Carina E really. Lean burn engines were good on fuel but the gearing made them gutless, you had to rev the nuts out of them.

I remember the trip computer on my 2003 Avensis, it was comical actually, the figures displayed were guaranteed to be the opposite of reality.

Leonard Hofstadter

Yes the mpg figures from the trip computer in a Mk2 Avensis can be comical at times. It once told me I averaged 48.6 mpg (driving like a nun), when I refilled the tank and worked it out, it was 'just' 42, still very good for a 1.8 petrol engine, but some bit off 48. The one time I managed 42 mpg from an Avensis was not going above 100 km/h, not driving in town bar maybe about 20 km of it, not accelerating even remotely close to quickly, on hilly roads accelerating down the hill so the momentum of the car would carry it up the hill without needing to resort to presing the acclerator, although on flat roads I did drive at the speed limit only I just took ages getting to it! It proved it was possible to do 42 mpg, but it was totally unrealistic. I never saw more than 37 mpg in real world driving from a 1.8, 34-36 was more like it. Oddly enough, the 00-02 model Corolla would tell you it was doing ever so slightly less mpg than it really was....

ofcork

Im averaging around 38mpg out of my 04 1.6 doing the fill drive till empty method.The trip has a mind of its own,refilled last week and the trip was reading 62mpg down the road.

toyotaavensis

My trip computer never says more than 28mpg. I think it might have been more use for toyota to put a pocket in the middle of the dash rather than the trip computer.

colm_mcm

toyotaavensis wrote: »

My trip computer never says more than 28mpg. I think it might have been more use for toyota to put a pocket in the middle of the dash rather than the trip computer.

They did that in 06

Cocoon

I have a 07 1.6 VVTI and average 620kms per tank city driving, I've owned the car 3 years now putting 100,000klm's on it and its given me no trouble what so ever. Oil tyres brake pads plugs and filters is all its needed, great car if your not in a hurry..

toyotaavensis

colm_mcm wrote: »

They did that in 06

Just had a look on google images. Tis a way tidier job having it in the rev clock

Cocoon wrote: »

I have a 07 1.6 VVTI and average 620kms per tank city driving, I've owned the car 3 years now putting 100,000klm's on it and its given me no trouble what so ever. Oil tyres brake pads plugs and filters is all its needed, great car if your not in a hurry..

Thats 387 miles a tank. I assume you fill up when the fuel light comes on and put in about 51-53L (about €80). That is 33.5mpg which is not bad for city driving.

There are posters here who think that getting that on national route driving isnt possible in an avensis. They are fantastic in terms of running costs. Mine is now 11 years old about 130000 on the clock and she has never failed to start and only had one fault since I got her two and a bit years ago.

Cocoon

toyotaavensis wrote: »

Just had a look on google images. Tis a way tidier job having it in the rev clock



Thats 387 miles a tank. I assume you fill up when the fuel light comes on and put in about 51-53L (about €80). That is 33.5mpg which is not bad for city driving.

There are posters here who think that getting that on national route driving isnt possible in an avensis. They are fantastic in terms of running costs. Mine is now 11 years old about 130000 on the clock and she has never failed to start and only had one fault since I got her two and a bit years ago.

I always fill it in or around the time the light comes on, normally put in 49-51 litres or say €75 worth of petrol. Best advantage of the petrol Avensis over any diesel is the standard clutch and no messing around with DMF problems.

toyotaavensis

That is 35mpg. Thats not bad at all lad.

A lot of diesels wouldnt do that.

It is also nicer to not have a noisy diesel clattering away in front of you.

Bobo78

I have Toyota Avensis 2007 1.6 VVTi in family since last summer.
I disagree about Avensis being underpowered and I actually find it quite brisk and fast for the size of the car.
It will accelerate very quickly and the gearing it set up in that way that you can easily shift gears at less than 2000 rpm without driving slow and stalling traffic behind you.

This in return makes it very efficient in fuel economy.
Did the fill up and refill test to see how much I averaged driving it in and around town and I easily managed to get around 8 liters in the city which is very good in my opinion.

Few friends that drove the car first time thought that it was 1.8 engine in our Avensis based on the fact that it was very nippy and just wanted to accelerate when you press the throttle but in fact it was 1.6 VVTi.

toyotaavensis

She is no slouch but she wont set your heart on fire either.

Leonard Hofstadter

Bobo78 wrote: »

Few friends that drove the car first time thought that it was 1.8 engine in our Avensis based on the fact that it was very nippy and just wanted to accelerate when you press the throttle but in fact it was 1.6 VVTi.

They mustn't have been in anything even remotely close to quick then, a 1.6 Avensis is many things but a fast car is certainly is not (or even remotely close to fast). The 1.6 wouldn't pull you out of bed, it's a lot smoother than a diesel for sure, and it's not afraid to be worked hard, but it's too underpowered. It's certainly not 1.4 Focus or Golf bad for power, but it's certainly not adequate even under normal driving.

The 1.8 is also not going to win any awards for performance, but it is noticably quicker than the 1.6. It isn't as hopeless as the 1.6 for overtaking at higher speeds and/or when fully laden. It is a lot quieter on the motorway because the gearing isn't so short and the engine runs at somewhat lower revs. There is a reason why Toyota only sold the 1.6 in Ireland and Turkey after all - everywhere else the 1.8 was the smallest engine you could have.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

I had a 99 Avensis 1.6 that I had to drive like a nun for a few weeks. I eeked out 47.1mpg from it over a couple of tanks. Now it was tough going but needs must at the time.I was in 5h gear at 35mph and never broke 40mph. It was good but there is no way it would get anything near that on the motorway.

What do you lads reckon is the best Motorway speed for fuel economy? Obviously it all depends on the car but if we just go by the Rev count vs the speed we could get a fairly close answer.

Just by the "feel" of driving my yoke, I have a notion that its between 55 and 60. Anywhere above 60 and she starts getting thrashy and you just know she's drinking juice.

Can't bate a diesel for Motorway economy to be fair.

bigroad

I have a 03 1.6vvti ,it is the very last of the old model.It is supposed to be the most economical avensis apart from some of the 00 and older 1.6s.
On the motorway 100km is about the middle ground for eco driving.I get 47/48 on the trip computer.I was thinking that was not a true reading so i did a tank test and it was working out at 50mpg.Normal driving is about 39 to 42mpg.
Not all the vvti engines use excess oil ,you can get a good one but it is luck of the draw.
I was thinking of buying the newer model but as far as i know they are a bit heavier on the go go juice.

toyotaavensis

Does yours have aircon?

bigroad

toyotaavensis wrote: »

Does yours have aircon?

No i dont think so .

Jesus.

toyotaavensis wrote: »

That is 33.5mpg which is not bad for city driving

Mate there's no ICE car on earth that can get 33+ mpg City, never mind such a figure being "not bad"!

I think people get confused with the terms sometimes. You probably meant "mixed" which would be far closer to the mark.

toyotaavensis

bigroad wrote: »

No i dont think so .

fuelly says the cars without aircon get an extra mpg on average so this helps you a bit as does having the older car as i hear thats lighter.

Jesus. wrote: »

Mate there's no ICE car on earth that can get 33+ mpg City, never mind such a figure being "not bad"!

I think people get confused with the terms sometimes. You probably meant "mixed" which would be far closer to the mark.

Aside from your username how can you say that with certainty. Also the poster said he got that with "city driving" not mixed driving.

Jesus.

toyotaavensis wrote: »

Aside from your username how can you say that with certainty. Also the poster said he got that with "city driving" not mixed driving.

Its just impossible man. The poster obviously has his terms mixed up. Either that or he's done as Mad Lad says folk do when they think they're measuring City MPG. He's not reset his trip Com having arrived into the City/town. His trip Com is still giving out the average for the whole tank, not just when he's arrived into the City. He's got to reset it when he's sitting in traffic in an urban environment, doing stop start driving, and then check it when he leaves the town/City.

He'd be getting not much more than half what he thinks he is.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

What do you lads reckon is the best Motorway speed for fuel economy? Obviously it all depends on the car but if we just go by the Rev count vs the speed we could get a fairly close answer.

Just by the "feel" of driving my yoke, I have a notion that its between 55 and 60. Anywhere above 60 and she starts getting thrashy and you just know she's drinking juice.

Can't bate a diesel for Motorway economy to be fair.

In my experience a constant 55mph on a long motorway journey with no stoppages provides the best mpg. That's just from my experience. It can be mind numbingly boring however but I've done it a few times.

Cocoon

Jesus. wrote: »

Mate there's no ICE car on earth that can get 33+ mpg City, never mind such a figure being "not bad"!

I think people get confused with the terms sometimes. You probably meant "mixed" which would be far closer to the mark.

I work Dublin city centre during the day so its definitely city driving, only difference may be that I'm not stuck bumper to bumper as I've use of bus lanes but that said its still city driving. Week in week out I average 620klm's for 75 quid worth of juice.

Truckermal

ba_barabus wrote: »

In my experience a constant 55mph on a long motorway journey with no stoppages provides the best mpg. That's just from my experience. It can be mind numbingly boring however but I've done it a few times.

Try doing it for a living actually 52mph and getting 9mpg..

dodzy

Truckermal wrote: »

Try doing it for a living actually 52mph and getting 9mpg..

But you'll win the game of "chicken"...... Every time

Jesus.

Cocoon wrote: »

I average 620klm's for 75 quid worth of juice.

Which is???