Protein supplement

alan86

Just back at the gym for the first time in 2 years. Before I used do a lot of cardio but this time it's a lot of free weight work and want to build muscle not built or anything just toned I have made up a dite plan and can't manage to take in enough protein and was looking at supplements on line but don't know which one cause there is so many. Just looking for a few pointers as to what to get.

Thanks alan

hdaniel

http://www.bulkpowders.ie/shop-by-category/protein-supplements/whey-protein/pure-whey-protein.html
Cheapest no BS whey protein available.Almost half the price of the more popular brands like optimum nutrition etc
Its a fairly popular website and they are good with fast delivery.Would recommend them.Theres a thread on here with discount codes for your first purchase

Joe Doe

Looks way better than most of the stuff you see on the shelves, but does contain a Sweetener (Sucralose), Soy Lecithin (E322) and a few natural flavours/colouring.

The best I've seen so far is still one called 'pink sun' because it's 100% pure whey from 'grass-fed cows' (this is important factor as cows are not designed to eat complex grains or animal feeds).
no flavours, no colourings not a thing added, its certified 'gm free', so just totally unmodified pure whey.

Gummy Panda

Joe Doe wrote: »

Looks way better than most of the stuff you see on the shelves, but does contain a Sweetener (Sucralose), Soy Lecithin (E322) and a few natural flavours/colouring.

The best I've seen so far is still one called 'pink sun' because it's 100% pure whey from 'grass-fed cows' (this is important factor as cows are not designed to eat complex grains or animal feeds).
no flavours, no colourings not a thing added, its certified 'gm free', so just totally unmodified pure whey.

Or he could buy unflavoured

Joe Doe

true, but would it still tick all these boxes like the pink sun's?

• Non GM
• ultra filtered
• undenatured
• Cold processed
• 92% protein Isolate
• 'Grass fed' cow stock
• 'hormone free' cow stock
• Unflavoured natural taste
• Soy Lecithin (trace) {i.e. none}
• No added sugar, artificial flavours, sweeteners, colours, fillers or binders...

...Maybe not all, but sure still it's far better than the main commercial brands and pretty cheap.

// Then again I'm just fussy diet wise and live mostly gluten/lactose/sugar and caffeine free (when possible). Coupled with a lot of the aul decaf green tea (flavinoids) from chinatown. Am thus usually mistaken as being my current age less x16 of your earth's solar years

irelandspurs

Joe Doe wrote: »

true, but would it still tick all these boxes like the pink sun's?

• Non GM
• ultra filtered
• undenatured
• Cold processed
• 92% protein Isolate
• 'Grass fed' cow stock
• 'hormone free' cow stock
• Unflavoured natural taste
• Soy Lecithin (trace) {i.e. none}
• No added sugar, artificial flavours, sweeteners, colours, fillers or binders...

...Maybe not all, but sure still it's far better than the main commercial brands and pretty cheap.

// Then again I'm just fussy diet wise and live mostly gluten/lactose/sugar and caffeine free (when possible). Coupled with a lot of the aul decaf green tea (flavinoids) from chinatown. Am thus usually mistaken as being my current age less x16 of your earth's solar years

Your Farts must smell like roses.

Gummy Panda

Joe Doe wrote: »

true, but would it still tick all these boxes like the pink sun's?

• Non GM
• ultra filtered
• undenatured
• Cold processed
• 92% protein Isolate
• 'Grass fed' cow stock
• 'hormone free' cow stock
• Unflavoured natural taste
• Soy Lecithin (trace) {i.e. none}
• No added sugar, artificial flavours, sweeteners, colours, fillers or binders...

...Maybe not all, but sure still it's far better than the main commercial brands and pretty cheap.

// Then again I'm just fussy diet wise and live mostly gluten/lactose/sugar and caffeine free (when possible). Coupled with a lot of the aul decaf green tea (flavinoids) from chinatown. Am thus usually mistaken as being my current age less x16 of your earth's solar years

I say it would tick all those boxes because they're either buying glanbia, carbery or volac whey. Same as everyone else in Europe.

SPS1

If you cannot hit your total protein intake without needing to use protein powders, it is 1 of the 4 issues

1) Your caloric intake is so small, that getting enough protein would require a very limited diet. Fair enough use a protein powder

2) Your caloric intake is high enough to hit necessary protein intake, but you "waste" it consuming high carb low protein foods. In which case, merely add more variety to your diet that are high in protein ie dairy products/meats/eggs/lentils hemp etc.
These have additional micronutrient dense benefits.

3) You are under the false impression that you need to hit an asinine amount of protein (200grams +), or that without a protein powder you will not make any significant progress.

4) You do not like high protein foods such as meat, eggs, dairy products. In which case use a protein powder.

Joe Doe

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I say it would tick all those boxes because they're either buying glanbia, carbery or volac whey. Same as everyone else in Europe.

Nice try, surely you must be joking! GM free, 'grass fed cows' with 'absolutely nothing' added, like everyone in Europe??

Just try reading the labels from the regular stuff on the shelves - if you see the words 'grass fed' or a sticker for 'gm free' or even a 'organic licence number via the Soil Association' sure you'll win a prize. I've yet to see anything even close.

Actually once saw one that contained all x4 of the most dangerous sweeteners: Aceslulfame-K + Apsartamie + Sucralose + Saccharin, like how sweet do you need it...

FYI most large producers will buy from high yield stock meaning those hormone injected, grain fed, housed cows will unlikely even see grass never mind have the opportunity graze it...

// Roses, yes it just like roses.

Gummy Panda

Joe Doe wrote: »

Nice try, surely you must be joking! GM free, 'grass fed cows' with 'absolutely nothing' added, like everyone in Europe??

Just try reading the labels from the regular stuff on the shelves - if you see the words 'grass fed' or a sticker for 'gm free' or even a 'organic licence number via the Soil Association' sure you'll win a prize. I've yet to see anything even close.

Actually once saw one that contained all x4 of the most dangerous sweeteners: Aceslulfame-K + Apsartamie + Sucralose + Saccharin, like how sweet do you need it...

FYI most large producers will buy from high yield stock meaning those hormone injected, grain fed, housed cows will unlikely even see grass never mind have the opportunity graze it...

// Roses, yes it just like roses.

There is only a few dairies to buy from. They have to buy from those. Eu cattle are generally grassfed and hormone free.

Mellor

Joe Doe wrote: »

Nice try, surely you must be joking! GM free, 'grass fed cows' with 'absolutely nothing' added, like everyone in Europe??

The majority of beef in Ireland is grass fed and hormone free (unlike the US).

Just try reading the labels from the regular stuff on the shelves - if you see the words 'grass fed' or a sticker for 'gm free' or even a 'organic licence number via the Soil Association' sure you'll win a prize. I've yet to see anything even close.

Is there an obligation to put a grass fed slicker on every grass fed dairy product?

Actually once saw one that contained all x4 of the most dangerous sweeteners: Aceslulfame-K + Apsartamie + Sucralose + Saccharin, like how sweet do you need it...

A variety of sweetners doesn't mean its sweeter, they'd obviously use less of each one.
Links to dangers are dubious at best.

That said the pink sun stuff looks decent. It's concentrate not isolate, though do that might be an issue for some. But the lack of other ingredients means it claims protein level to average isolates.

macadam

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Joe Doe

There is only a few dairies to buy from. They have to buy from those.

Only a few dairies in the eu? Someone call the monopolies and mergers commission...

The majority of beef in Ireland is grass fed and hormone free (unlike the US).

Good, if so (including winter supplement feeds), some products do use imported contents from us/china.

Is there an obligation to put a grass fed slicker on every grass fed dairy product?

Would do no harm, especially if on shelve beside imported products. 'GM free' and 'certified organic' stickers certainly a bonus too.

A variety of sweetners doesn't mean its sweeter, they'd obviously use less of each one.

A sweetener would make it sweeter, no, yes, no?

Links to dangers are dubious at best.

No reason why some are banned in certain regions/countries then?

That said the pink sun stuff looks decent. It's concentrate not isolate, though do that might be an issue for some. But the lack of other ingredients means it claims protein level to average isolates.

Says 92% isolate on mine, with no other agents this is what you get.

The Bulkpowders looks fine too, price is good.

The main point I'd make would be just to look as the label of the current most popular brand in the uk/ire (comes in a shinny red label/container and its not cheap)

"Other Ingredients: Protein Blend (Soya Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Protein Isolate), Cocoa Powder, Inulin, Soya Fibre, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA), Cegepal Oil Powder (Sunflower Oil, Glucose Syrup Solids, Milk Protein, Emulsifier (Citric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides), Antioxidant (Ascorbyl Palmitate, Mixed Tocopherols, Lecithin, Citric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides)), Emulsifiers (Soya Lecithin, Acacia Gum), Vanilla Flavouring, Maltodextrin, Sweetener (Sucralose), Green Tea Extract, Bulking Agent (Xanthan Gum), Triacetin, Anti-Caking Agent (Silicon Dioxide).

Allergy Advice: Contains (or contains an ingredient/s derived from) dairy, wheat/gluten and soya".

Alf Veedersane

If only there was a less toxic way of getting protein...

runawaybishop

Joe Doe wrote: »

The best I've seen so far is still one called 'pink sun' because it's 100% pure whey from 'grass-fed cows' (this is important factor as cows are not designed to eat complex grains or animal feeds).
no flavours, no colourings not a thing added, its certified 'gm free', so just totally unmodified pure whey.

Its also over 100% the price by the looks of it. 17 gbp for 420 grams is steep.

GrumPy

I've been drinking these lately, absolutely delicious!
I eat alot of dairy as it is, so the almond milk is a great change...

I subsitute the "Shakeology" for Kinetica Whey Protein - Chocolate.

Gummy Panda

Joe Doe wrote: »

Only a few dairies in the eu? Someone call the monopolies and mergers commission...

They all produce WPC80 and WPI?

Skalragg

alan86 wrote: »

Just back at the gym for the first time in 2 years. Before I used do a lot of cardio but this time it's a lot of free weight work and want to build muscle not built or anything just toned I have made up a dite plan and can't manage to take in enough protein and was looking at supplements on line but don't know which one cause there is so many. Just looking for a few pointers as to what to get.

Thanks alan

I found Maximuscle a good brand

Joe Doe

Skalragg wrote: »

I found Maximuscle a good brand

Just looked up MM's (progain) ingredients list, it says on de label....

Other Ingredients: Complex carbohydrate maltodextrins (42.4%), Biomax (32%) (a maximuscle proprietary high quality blend of whey protein isolates, hydrolysates and whey peptides, low temp spray dried and instantised with high phosphatidylcholine lecithin), Cocoa powder in Progain Extreme chocolate, Nitrogain (a bland of glutamine peptides (2.5%), cysteine, taurine, chromium polynicotinate) Nutriose (3%) (low glycaemic index (non-gluten) wheat dextrin) Inulin (3%), Creatine Monohydrate (2.4%), Enzymatic Metabolites of Leucine (2.4) (HMB), Medium Chain Triglyceride (2.5%) (MCT), Essential fatty acids (5.5%) (EFAs) extracted from vegetable oil, Flavouring: either cocoa/strawberry depending on the flavour displayed on each tub, Tricalcium phosphate, Colours: cochineal red A in strawberry, Appetibol (a blent of appetite supporting ingredients: Biotin, Folic acid, vitamin A, Vitamin B1 Vitamin B5), Sweetner, Sucralose.

Mellor

Joe Doe wrote: »

A sweetener would make it sweeter, no, yes, no?

You do get how more types of sweetner, doesn't mean greater amounts of sweetener.

Something may only contain 1 sweetener, but in far greater amounts. Then there's the issue of different relative sweetness.

No reason why some are banned in certain regions/countries then?

The sweetners in supplements aren't banned though. Sucralose, aspartame.
And they aren't the "worst" as you put it. That's a bit over the top.
Some of the early sweeteners like lead sugar, duclin, and P-4000 were genuinely toxic, and were rightly banned.

I'm not saying they are good for you. But I believe they are largely benign.

Says 92% isolate on mine, with no other agents this is what you get.

Apologies, I did a google search and it brought me to this.
I didn't realise there was a range. I see the isolate now.
92% protein, £75 for 3kg (£25 per kg)

Compare with MyProtein isolate natural flavour
Here's the ingredient list:
Undenatured Whey Protein Isolate, Emulsifier (Soy Lecithin)

Look familar? It's also 92% protein.
It's £60 per 4kg (£15 per kg)
And afaik its EU sourced whey, it would be GM, hormone-free, etc.
I wouldn't consider that product to be significantly different to Pink Sun, if at all.

crazy_kenny

I use My Protein impact whey


http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html?vwo_ac=true

Mixes and tastes great. low price too.

Joe Doe

Sure its way better than most, though no mention of 'certified organic via the soil association' thus no traceable single originating source other than 'eu based'.

Legal and approved via FDA etc yes, but The Center for Science in the Public Interest, downgraded sucralose from "Safe" to "Caution" in June 2013, citing a new study {Ramazzini Institute}.

"Sucralose may prove to be safer than saccharin, aspartame, and acesulfame potassium, but the Italian study warrants careful scrutiny before we can be confident that the sweetener is safe for use in food."

Mellor

Joe Doe wrote: »

Sure its way better than most, though no mention of 'certified organic via the soil association' thus no traceable single originating source other than 'eu based'.

I personally don't believe either of those two things to mean anything significant.
And I'd certainly not be willing to pay 66% on top for it.
Sure, you can get stickers in the poundshop.

irelandspurs

Give these guys a try http://gonutrition.com/ He is the founder of myprotein. Have been using myprotein for a few bits but going to try these once i've run out.

alan86

thanks for all the info lads. i went with http://www.bulkpowders.ie/shop-by-ca...y-protein.html
case it looked good and was cheap we will just have to see how it go's.
thanks again
alan