Powerful flashlights

Benedict

Anyone know where I can purchase a really powerful flashlight in Ireland for Euro 100 or less? I'm interested in, for example, a Cree, Trustfire 11000 to 13000 Lumens (or similar) - which is very bright. I know that people who camp in very out of the way locations often look for such flashlights. I know that they can be bought online - but I would prefer to buy face to face. I haven't been able to locate any shop who will sell me a flashlight similar to the one above.

SNAKEDOC

Where in the country are you. There are a few places around that i would try first off there is protac in the curragh camp or army bargains off capel street. There is a hardware store near me that does airsoft and hunting gear they have a light that is designed to go on a rifle but can easily be handheld it has an outside powersource that goes on your belt its probably 3000 lumens its the brightest portable light ive seen. That store is in kildare. Considering your price range check online and see where sells led lenser torches. I have a small lenser the size of my fist and its great three AAA batteries and they last a good length.
Apparently 53 degrees north are irelands biggest stockist of led lenser torches.

Benedict

Thanks for your help Snakedoc. I live in South Dublin (couple of miles from the city centre). I logged onto 50 Degrees North just now - they have a 220 Lumens (220 not 2200) torch reduced from E90 to E85.50. For a 220 Lumens, this is big money. Some of the places I've tried are quoting between E500 and E600 when you start talking about Lumens in terms of thousands and this is quite extraordinary when for example a 10k or 11k on Ebay can be had for under 100Euro.

I can't understand why anyone would (or could) pay in excess of 500E for anything less than a mind-blowing torch - it's beyond crazy. Surely there's some retailer out there selling flashlights who has realised that the boom is over and people can't approach the bank manager anymore for a loan for a torch?

I will check out your other suggestions (e.g. Capel Steet) but I fear I may have to go the on-line route. But I'd much prefer to walk into a shop and make a purchase.

aaakev

Check out the shooting for sale section and try get a lamping set up like a lightforce with a battery pack.

I have a 200 lumen led lenser p7 and its great. Ya wouldnt need anything bigger camping in fairness

Benedict

Thanks for your help Snakedoc. I live in South Dublin (couple of miles from the city centre). I logged onto 50 Degrees North just now - they have a 220 Lumens (220 not 2200) torch reduced from E90 to E85.50. For a 220 Lumens, this is big money. Some of the places I've tried are quoting between E500 and E600 when you start talking about Lumens in terms of thousands and this is quite extraordinary when for example a 10k or 11k on Ebay can be had for under 100Euro.

I can't understand why anyone would (or could) pay in excess of 500E for less than 10k Lumens - it's beyond crazy. Surely there's some retailer out there who has realised that the boom is over?

I will check out your other suggestions (e.g. Capel Stee) but I fear I may have to go the on-line route.

SNAKEDOC

Id second aaakev's post that 2200 lumens is a crazy bright torch. To put in context these things pointed towards a person can properly temporarily blind them. They are used for stunning or"lamping" rabbits at night. May i ask your intended use is. I recently bought a light for camping in the great outdoors and its, wait for it 3 lumens but when you think about it i need it when its completely pitch black in my tent and it will light up the tent like a light bulb.
And bare in mind when testing a torch in a shop its daylight so you cant properly gauge the strength of the light as if there is a back room to test it out most shop assistants would oblige.

aaakev

My led lenser came with a warning not to shine it at people as it can damage their eyes. The same torch has allowed me shoot foxes at over 150 yards at night

silverharp

I might get one of those, they look great, reasonable review on youtube below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GanG7AirVgk

SNAKEDOC

Exactly my point. That torch is what 200 lumens my torch is roughly the same on a good day with fresh battries so imagine getting a 2200 torch beam to the face. I went looking but there isnt any restrictions on these things like laser pointers. I thought there would have been regulations regarding the sale of high power torches for hunting purposes like to over 18's and such.

aaakev

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

Exactly my point. That torch is what 200 lumens my torch is roughly the same on a good day with fresh battries so imagine getting a 2200 torch beam to the face. I went looking but there isnt any restrictions on these things like laser pointers. I thought there would have been regulations regarding the sale of high power torches for hunting purposes like to over 18's and such.

If you really want huge lumens you can get the led lenser x21. Iv seen it in action and its really somethi g else! Expensive though at about €250

http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/produkte/html_highperformance/html_Xserie/x21r-2.php?id=x21r-2

you can get a gun and go hunting at 16 on your own legally so no restrictions on lamps at all

Benedict

Shining a powerful torch in someone's eyes would be very irresponsible. But for, say, fixing a puncture on a dark very wet night or maybe getting lost in an out of the way country road, a really bright light could be very good to have. Imagine if there was fog and maybe drizzle, a really big beam could cut through it and maybe see road signs at a distance.

Tabnabs

No light, no matter how powerful, will cut through fog. All you'll get is more backscatter.

The Glass Key

I'm not going to win any friends here but I've never got the "powerful flashlights" thing? I'm out every night during the winter with the dogs and hardly use any form of torch. I always have a headlight and a small torch with me but that's just so I can shine a light along certain parts of our route to move any wildlife on before the dogs get there. The scent of a fox is one thing but if they actually see one then the chase in on which isn't something I want in the middle of the night.

From a wild camping point of view I doubt you want to be shinning a 1000 lumen lamp around too often. I was out not long ago in the dark at a spot that has been used for camping and used a light once, I got home to a phone call asking if I knew if there was anything going on on the cliffs, so people do notice.

silverharp

The Glass Key wrote: »

I'm not going to win any friends here but I've never got the "powerful flashlights" thing? I'm out every night during the winter with the dogs and hardly use any form of torch. I always have a headlight and a small torch with me but that's just so I can shine a light along certain parts of our route to move any wildlife on before the dogs get there. The scent of a fox is one thing but if they actually see one then the chase in on which isn't something I want in the middle of the night.

From a wild camping point of view I doubt you want to be shinning a 1000 lumen lamp around too often. I was out not long ago in the dark at a spot that has been used for camping and used a light once, I got home to a phone call asking if I knew if there was anything going on on the cliffs, so people do notice.

you have a point with compromising wild camping principles but I must say on a camp I did last month I found myself quite disorientated and couldnt pick out obvious landmarks I was looking for. I could see the path ahead but couldnt pick out old ruins 20/30 mtrs to the side. whether they need to be a as powerful as the ones being discussed here I dont know. But I would say bring something more poewerful in the winter to what you might use in the summer.

aaakev

The Glass Key wrote: »

I'm not going to win any friends here but I've never got the "powerful flashlights" thing? I'm out every night during the winter with the dogs and hardly use any form of torch. I always have a headlight and a small torch with me but that's just so I can shine a light along certain parts of our route to move any wildlife on before the dogs get there. The scent of a fox is one thing but if they actually see one then the chase in on which isn't something I want in the middle of the night.

From a wild camping point of view I doubt you want to be shinning a 1000 lumen lamp around too often. I was out not long ago in the dark at a spot that has been used for camping and used a light once, I got home to a phone call asking if I knew if there was anything going on on the cliffs, so people do notice.

I agree. The reason for my powerful lamps and torches is for hunting and thats it really. I hike at night and the 15 lumen head torch is all thats used if anything at all.

Most of the time I use my p7 on 15% power unless i really need to light up a fox

The Glass Key

aaakev wrote: »

I agree. The reason for my powerful lamps and torches is for hunting and thats it really. I hike at night and the 15 lumen head torch is all thats used if anything at all.

Most of the time I use my p7 on 15% power unless i really need to light up a fox

That sounds a good plan to me, is it easy to put that P7 on 15% power without putting it on full power first? The problem with the little LED Maglite I use is that to get low power you have to switch it on high first, as its small thats not too difficult as you can cover the lens with your hand.

aaakev

The Glass Key wrote: »

That sounds a good plan to me, is it easy to put that P7 on 15% power without putting it on full power first? The problem with the little LED Maglite I use is that to get low power you have to switch it on high first, as its small thats not too difficult as you can cover the lens with your hand.

Its just the power button. Press it once for full power, twice for 15% and a third time to turn it off. P7 is a small hand torch and the lens is only about the size of a €2 coin so very easy to cover too. You can adjust from flood light to focused beem using one hand

wolfeye

I use the led lenser H7R head torch alot .
Its got up to 170 lumens.
Its great for lighting up trails when its pitch dark.
It got me out of a few situations,when i needed to walk for hours in the dark in areas i was never in before.
A good torch is priceless in spotting dangers well off before they are on top of you.
It also leaves your hands free for waking poles or climbing.
I've come to like it more than my p7 hand held one.
In areas i know like the back of my hand or dont need as much light my k3 keyring 17 lumen one is fine.

aaakev

Been thinking about treating myself to a h7, sounds like its worth getting....

wolfeye

aaakev wrote: »

Been thinking about treating myself to a h7, sounds like its worth getting....

I think its a good investment .
I'm glad i bought mine,i'm very happy with it.
Since i got mine there is a H7.2 which is even better engineered and more powerful.

SNAKEDOC

The Glass Key wrote: »

I'm not going to win any friends here but I've never got the "powerful flashlights" thing? I'm out every night during the winter with the dogs and hardly use any form of torch. I always have a headlight and a small torch with me but that's just so I can shine a light along certain parts of our route to move any wildlife on before the dogs get there. The scent of a fox is one thing but if they actually see one then the chase in on which isn't something I want in the middle of the night.

From a wild camping point of view I doubt you want to be shinning a 1000 lumen lamp around too often. I was out not long ago in the dark at a spot that has been used for camping and used a light once, I got home to a phone call asking if I knew if there was anything going on on the cliffs, so people do notice.

Your dead right. Given the choice of a light or no light i would gladly sit for ten minutes or longer for my night vision to kick in and then press on. I have a head torch and a small hand held torch both in my pack. I prefer to be able to move quietly and as unabtursivly as possible. It makes me feel mor in tune with my surroundings. When in my tent its another matter i like a small light just so i can read or clean kit or eat some dinner.
I dont understand needing a mad powerful torch for camping, unless the woods give you the hebby jeebies.

aaakev

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

unless the woods give you the hebby jeebies.

If you dont get over that after a couple of trips its not for you!!!

Pat Mustard

Benedict wrote: »

Anyone know where I can purchase a really powerful flashlight in Ireland for Euro 100 or less? I'm interested in, for example, a Cree, Trustfire 11000 to 13000 Lumens (or similar) - which is very bright.

Seems to me that if you want a torch with an output of more than 1,000 lumens, that it's going to be difficult to get one unless you go online. I can't remember seeing anything much more powerful than a led lenser P.7 in any bricks and mortar shops.

Suggestions:
8,000 lumens £65 Trustfire Cree
1,800 lumens £20 Ultrafire Cree

I would agree with other posters, that there are very effective torches with outputs of 200 lumens. I doubt that most people would need anything much more powerful than that.

SNAKEDOC

aaakev wrote: »

If you dont get over that after a couple of trips its not for you!!!

Wel i was being sarcastic i love the woods especially at night. Nothing but the sound of the wind. And if out in the open with a bit of help from a night vision optic you can see the wilderness come alive with wildlife thats hunkered down during the day.

aaakev

Haha I didnt mean you man I ment people im general!!

The Glass Key

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

Wel i was being sarcastic i love the woods especially at night. Nothing but the sound of the wind. And if out in the open with a bit of help from a night vision optic you can see the wilderness come alive with wildlife thats hunkered down during the day.

I scared a deer once in the total darkness of a wood. I must have been right on it before it realised I was there, I hadn't seen it and it decided to run right in front of me as that was the quickest route out into open fields - it was an adrenalin pumping experience.

Opps sorry starting to go off topic.

aaakev

We ended up in a heard of deer one night up the mountains, great experience! Not as close as you described there but we walked within meters of a few and had them scarpering off by us

SNAKEDOC

aaakev wrote: »

We ended up in a heard of deer one night up the mountains, great experience! Not as close as you described there but we walked within meters of a few and had them scarpering off by us

Its cool to see deer like that galloping padt at close range. My wife and i ran into a herd above glendalough on the ridge to camaderry and they ran past us within twenty metres between us and the tree line loking for an escape route. And i had decided to leave the camera at home that day.:rolleyes:

Esel

Lidl have a Cree? 3W LED headtorch for €10 at the moment.

Benedict

I can see the reason for people saying that there's no need for a really powerful Cree torch of 9000 Lumen plus. I just think that when you have a problem and need light, the nearest thing to daylight is best (provided you're careful not to blind anyone).

Anything for sale in Ireland at that level is a staggering price - I was offered a 6000 Lumen for Euro 550 - can you believe that?

Anyway, I decide to go the Amazon route but there was a customs problem about sending rechargeable batteries through the post.

So that was the end of that.

The Glass Key

Benedict wrote: »

I can see the reason for people saying that there's no need for a really powerful Cree torch of 9000 Lumen plus. I just think that when you have a problem and need light, the nearest thing to daylight is best (provided you're careful not to blind anyone).

Anything for sale in Ireland at that level is a staggering price - I was offered a 6000 Lumen for Euro 550 - can you believe that?

Anyway, I decide to go the Amazon route but there was a customs problem about sending rechargeable batteries through the post.

So that was the end of that.

Just randomly picked an Lenser from Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/LED-Lenser-Tactical-Torch-Black/dp/B001OXC4DS/ which has batteries in it (because of the test it packaging) and didn't get any restrictions on the address I could send it to.

Then picked out one with rechargable batteries http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenser-Rechargeable-Head-Lamp-Black/dp/B001PMP340/ and again no problem sending it to Ireland.

Use Amazon.co.uk (NOT .com) and pick items that are Amazon Prime and Free Supersaver Delivery to be sure they will sent to Ireland.

ch750536

I bought this from www.powerdrivegolfbatteries.com, great torch. We had no power for 5 days, so maybe 5 hrs a night, charged each day but probably could have gone 3 days I reckon. was €64.99 but it seems they don't sell them anymore.

Benedict

Perhaps it's the particular batteries that I wanted - they had no trouble sending the torch - but not the batteries. Don't know why. I could have gone for the torch and then tried to source suitable batteries in Ireland but I simply wasn't confident that I would be able to do so. And if I did source them, they'd probably be a fortune to buy.

I eventually went for a lamp with a re-chargeable battery already installed and there wasn't a problem with that. But I'm not very happy with it because it is very cumbersome and heavy. In terms of brightness it's great but it's not something you could put in a jacket pocket and a full charge on full brightness only lasts 40 minutes. Then it's 18 hours to do a full re-charge.

But at least it's bright.

aaakev

Benedict wrote: »

I can see the reason for people saying that there's no need for a really powerful Cree torch of 9000 Lumen plus. I just think that when you have a problem and need light, the nearest thing to daylight is best (provided you're careful not to blind anyone).

Have you seen how bright a 200 lumen led torch is??

Benedict

I've seen you-tube footage of these torches - but not in reality. The lamp that I ended up getting from Amazon is a Sealey 10 million candlepower portable (if you're Hercules) lamp. I wasn't able to find out what the equivalent is in Lumens. When I try to find out what the equivalent is in Lumens, I keep hear "Oh! It's a different system of measurement".

If anyone out there knows what 10 million Candlepower is in Lumens, I would be interested to find out.

It's a pity there isn't a shop in Dublin that stocks a really good range of high-powered torches at a fair price.

markad1

I like this one
http://www.torchdirect.co.uk/fenix-professional-torches/fenix-uc40-ultimate-edition-rechargeable-led-torch.html

SNAKEDOC

Benedict wrote: »

I've seen you-tube footage of these torches - but not in reality. The lamp that I ended up getting from Amazon is a Sealey 10 million candlepower portable (if you're Hercules) lamp. I wasn't able to find out what the equivalent is in Lumens. When I try to find out what the equivalent is in Lumens, I keep hear "Oh! It's a different system of measurement".

If anyone out there knows what 10 million Candlepower is in Lumens, I would be interested to find out.

It's a pity there isn't a shop in Dublin that stocks a really good range of high-powered torches at a fair price.

Well 1 million candle power is 250 lumens so 10 million is 2500 lumens roughly. Its not exact but close enough. The difference is lumens is the size of area the light source lights up one foot from the source, whereas candle power is the radiance of the source. Have you recieved the sealy lamp yet. Its way bright just dont point it at your face or at anyone else for that matter. They are big and chunky and in my opinion way over kill for camping. These things are for industrial use on farms and stuff. My little 250 lumen lenzer is perfect fist size and batteries are AAA so no hastle carrying extras.

Pat Mustard

My understanding is that lumens are a measure of the total amount of light, and that candlepower is an archaic measurement of intensity of light (the brightest spot in a focused beam), which cannot be converted to lumens without knowing how the light is distributed.

I've read an article that says that a light source with 1 candlepower in all directions will produce 12.57 lumen. This might be okay for simple examples, but when we start trying to compare torches with two different systems of measurement, it's not so helpful. It doesn't necessarily mean that a torch giving off 1 million candlepower will give off 12,570,000 lumen.

example:

Imagine you're in a dark room with just a thin beam of sunlight shining through a tiny opening between heavy curtains. That beam represents high candlepower, but modest lumens. You wouldn't want to look straight into the direction it's coming from, even though the sunbeam doesn't brighten the whole room much. On the other hand, a table lamp could brighten the room much more than that sunbeam, even though it's not nearly as bright as the sun when you look directly at it. That lamp represents high lumens, but modest candlepower. See the difference?

To me, it seems a bit like trying to compare the water pressure from a power hose as against the total amount of water in a lake. Not very comparable.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?2587-Candlepower-To-Lumens

ShadowFox

Benedict wrote: »

Anyone know where I can purchase a really powerful flashlight in Ireland for Euro 100 or less? I'm interested in, for example, a Cree, Trustfire 11000 to 13000 Lumens (or similar) - which is very bright. I know that people who camp in very out of the way locations often look for such flashlights. I know that they can be bought online - but I would prefer to buy face to face. I haven't been able to locate any shop who will sell me a flashlight similar to the one above.

Ive used a trust fire 11000 lumens flashlight they give out fantastic light BUT they eat batteries your lucky if you get an hour run time out of your 18650 or cr123a batteries remember also the cr123a batteries are around €10 each to buy here if you can find them I had rechargeable 18650s for mine but ended up with one set in the flashlight one set charged in my pouch and a 3rd set on charge which was a nightmare. I changed to a led lenser P7 200 lumens nearly 40 hours out of 3 aaa batteries if it goes dead and i forget my spares any shop sells AAAs much better value for money

ShadowFox

ShadowFox wrote: »

Ive used a trust fire 11000 lumens flashlight they give out fantastic light BUT they eat batteries your lucky if you get an hour run time out of your 18650 or cr123a batteries remember also the cr123a batteries are around €10 each to buy here if you can find them I had rechargeable 18650s for mine but ended up with one set in the flashlight one set charged in my pouch and a 3rd set on charge which was a nightmare. I changed to a led lenser P7 200 lumens nearly 40 hours out of 3 aaa batteries if it goes dead and i forget my spares any shop sells AAAs much better value for money

After saying all that I do plan on picking up a Nitecore P12 at 950 lumens http://www.heinnie.com/Flashlights/Nitecore-Flashlights/P12/p-97-480-11557/ as from time to time Id like to have a more powerful flashlight but my P7 will still be my main light

Gran Hermano

Plenty of Chinese manufacturers/retailers will over estimate and exaggerate the amount of lumens their gear outputs.
Also worth noting that a 500 lumen flashlight does not appear twice as bright as a 250 lumen one.

200-250 is plenty bright for most people.

Something like this will allow you to use AAA x3 in an 18650 flashlight. http://dx.com/p/3-x-aaa-batteries-holder-case-for-18650-flashlight-white-2-pcs-159745#.UxNvGOFFDbU

Also worthy looking at flash lights that will run on AA and/or 14500, again you can use the higher voltage 14500 batteries for more lumens but drop down to AA if stuck.

Always worth having a flashlight with both a low and high mode, sometimes you need runtime more than brightness.
My most used was the Nitecore D10/Ex10 as they had an infinite level of brightness/runtime settings.

The new Nitecore models will charge via micro USB, very handy. I picked up the Nitecore P25 last year but is overkill for most tasks.

Benedict

I have already purchased the Sealey 10 million c/p lamp through Amazon. This level of power is often referred to as "tactical" - I gather this means that it is best for events such as emergencies where short term very bright light is needed. Events such as security events, traffic emergencies etc. The big draw-back is that like lap-tops, the battery runs out fairly quickly. The big plus is that the amount of light is monumental. When you switch the Sealey on it's like the sun has come out.

I've never actually seen the really powerful 10k Lumens plus torches. It seems that there is no scientific way of comparing Lumens with c/p. I'd be fascinated to know if there's anyone out there who has actually seen a demo of, say a 10k+ Lumens AND and 10 mill. c/p and is in a position to confirm if they are comparable? Or would a 10k Lumen torch put a 10 Mill c/p in the halfpenny place. If I saw the two together both shining on an object 50 yards away I could say the Lumen beats the c/p (or vice versa) - but unfortunately I haven't. Because there is no scientific comparison, the judge would have to be a person who has actually seen both with his/her own eyes.

thehippychippy

I carry a leatherman and a p3 lenser on my belt at all times, had lots "talks" bout that from SHMBO but I won't budge on it. Interesting talk before a wedding last year, seemingly "I've always done it, you just never noticed before" is not a valid argument. Leatherman, goes without saying but I'd always carry a torch. Working in the building game, it's used more then the leatherman and at night when I'm walking the dog it's handy to have. Don't know what lumens it is or candle power but it's perfect for me for work, camping, walking etc. Been thinking of getting the p7 but to be honest, for the price of it, and using 1 aaa battery (have it over a year and changed the battery once) I don't think you'll beat the p3, so might start changing out the lamps in the bobs with them. Actually, while writing this I've realised, I'm going to get the p7 and a change out the others for p3s. Eventually. Quietly, and without fuss. Or I might have to have the "why so many torches?" talk again. Am I the only one with a separate torch beside the bed, torch/led lamp in the kitchen, torch beside the front door, torch/lamp at the back door, torches in the shed, torch in the car, torches in the van, head lamps around the house, in the car, van and jackets and oil lamps in the shed? I can't be the only one?

ShadowFox

thehippychippy wrote: »

I carry a leatherman and a p3 lenser on my belt at all times, had lots "talks" bout that from SHMBO but I won't budge on it. Interesting talk before a wedding last year, seemingly "I've always done it, you just never noticed before" is not a valid argument. Leatherman, goes without saying but I'd always carry a torch. Working in the building game, it's used more then the leatherman and at night when I'm walking the dog it's handy to have. Don't know what lumens it is or candle power but it's perfect for me for work, camping, walking etc. Been thinking of getting the p7 but to be honest, for the price of it, and using 1 aaa battery (have it over a year and changed the battery once) I don't think you'll beat the p3, so might start changing out the lamps in the bobs with them. Actually, while writing this I've realised, I'm going to get the p7 and a change out the others for p3s. Eventually. Quietly, and without fuss. Or I might have to have the "why so many torches?" talk again. Am I the only one with a separate torch beside the bed, torch/led lamp in the kitchen, torch beside the front door, torch/lamp at the back door, torches in the shed, torch in the car, torches in the van, head lamps around the house, in the car, van and jackets and oil lamps in the shed? I can't be the only one?

Flash lights/torches are my down fall Ive way too many. At home Ive a 2D cell maglite at the front door 4C cell maglite at the back door 4D cell maglite inside the bed room door and a very old 7C cell on the landing All of these have battery converters in them to run off AA batteries and all blubs have been upgraded. I carry a SAK and Led Lenser P2 in my pocket all the time also have a P3, P7 and M5 from led lenser the P2 and P3 are 16 lumens the P7 is 220 lumens and the M5 is 100 lumens and has strobe. I used to have AA maglites beside every bed in the house but they got broken over time (kids taking them apart) Last year Aldi had 9 led torches 3 for €5 so they are whats used now. The 64 led magnetic torches are in the bathroom, kitchen and sheds plus ive wind up torches and other cheap ones I picked up when I see them. My main work torch is the P7 the P2 would be the back up or depending where Im going Id have the M5 also

Benedict

Okay, but the point is this. When you ask which is brighter, 10k Lumens or 10 Million c/p nobody can answer. The answer is always the same. You need to be a mathematician to work out the similarity.

But look, if there's a house 100 yards away and I shine both. Which will light up the house most. A 10k Lumen or a 10 million c/P. Forget maths, is there anyone out there who has seen both and can say basically which lights up the house most?

Pat Mustard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjEVJraNMsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gCCeJB0vpE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1m0PRnaVhM

Pat Mustard

Lidl will be selling a 5W mini cree LED torch for €9.99, from the 20th March. Aluminium exterior.

The lumens value is not given in relation to the Lidl torch, but in an attempt at comparison, the led lenser p7 has an output of 7.2 watts (and 200 lumens), as opposed to 5W with the lidl torch.

EDIT: The Lidl torch is 70 lumens.

Benedict

It goes on and on! We are still expected to have a Ph.D. in physics to work out how bright is the torch we wish to purchase. So there's Lumens and Candlepower - and now Watts?

Imagine buying a car and saying "I want a 1500 CC engine" and the salesman saying "well sir, this is x horsepower - don't know what CC it is but you can work it out if you've got an hour or two to spare".

"But what CC is it?" "Sorry sir, we deal in horsepower only".

With torches, only mathematical geniuses know what they're buying!

Pat Mustard

Lumens are a measure of the amount of visible light. The other measurements are not.

Benedict

Lumens is fine. But then you find a torch that shows only the c/p or Watts? And nobody really knows how the three can be compared?

If you see two torches in a shop window, one is 100 Lumens and the other is 200 Lumens, you know which is brighter. But if one is c/p or Watts, you don't!

If only every manufacturer was obliged to show the Lumens, life would be so much simpler. (They could yammer on about watts or c/p 'till the cows came home, but at least we'd have one common measurement).

aaakev

For some reason I dont think the torch manufacturing Industry will ever be that heavily regulated :rolleyes:

Just buy a good torch and dont worry so much about such a non issue!