Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

tomasrojo

The blog post seems to be describing, though not specifically referencing, a form of risk compensation, where emergency workers have too much faith in the enhanced conspicuity afforded by hi-viz uniforms.

The research results demonstrated that unlike earlier research, road workers were often detected only at short distances, sometimes as low as 25 to 45 meters (27-49 yards). The road workers were also found to be less than conspicuous, even when wearing high-visibility clothing. The workers that were interviewed for the study were also likely to greatly over-estimate their personal levels of conspicuity.

I think firefighters' outfits are maybe more effective: black and yellow reflective stripes give you contrast against a greater variety of backgrounds. Looks nicer anyway.

CramCycle

tomasrojo wrote: »

I think firefighters' outfits are maybe more effective: black and yellow reflective stripes give you contrast against a greater variety of backgrounds. Looks nicer anyway.

The council ones that have the strips on the trousers are the most effective at night time in street lamp lit areas as they pick up the dims on cars far earlier (in fact hi vis jackets have little effect here at all). Of course they could also just put up more effective road signage and blockages to warn oncoming traffic as well, but this seems to be hit and miss (no pun intended).

Chuchote

tomasrojo wrote: »

I think firefighters' outfits are maybe more effective: black and yellow reflective stripes give you contrast against a greater variety of backgrounds. Looks nicer anyway.

So where do we all get our firefighter pants?

I love Sean nos

Chuchote wrote: »

So where do we all get our firefighter pants?

Hang around fireman calendar photoshoots until they become "available".

HivemindXX

And thus starts the next phase. "Their legs were practically invisible" the driver said. "They didn't have a stitch of high-viz on half their body. If cyclists aren't willing to do anything to make themselves visible then motorists can't be blamed for hitting them".

what_traffic

What about ye old pedal reflector that has been doing this job for decades? Never seen or heard the RSA mention them. Probably dont know they exist.

tomasrojo

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Hang around fireman calendar photoshoots until they become "available".

Somewhat of a tangent, but I wish the people who design rain trousers and the people who design stripper trousers would get together.

dub_skav

tomasrojo wrote: »

Somewhat of a tangent, but I wish the people who design rain trousers and the people who design stripper trousers would get together.

Sexy results or hilarious consequences?

Chuchote

tomasrojo wrote: »

Somewhat of a tangent, but I wish the people who design rain trousers and the people who design stripper trousers would get together.

Actually, not a bad point. Rain trousers are murder to get on and off, especially if you're wearing winter boots or big cloggy Ecco sandals.

what_traffic

what_traffic wrote: »

What about ye old pedal reflector that has been doing this job for decades? Never seen or heard the RSA mention them. Probably dont know they exist.

Maybe if the RSA supplier of the 1,000,000 Hi-Viz vests per year (who just happen to be located in the Co Mayo) made pedal reflectors and bike lights we might not need to have this thread at all?

Chuchote

Found (but did not buy) the ultimate hi-viz trousers - at least, the ultimate if you ran a strip of luminescence down the side.

There's a shop in Bride Street that sells kitchen stuff - all kinds of nice things for the cook and housewarmer. They have those lurid black-and-white check chef's trousers like this

magicbastarder

you run the risk of causing a driver to have an epileptic fit and crashing into you if you wore those.

cats pyjamas

Chuchote wrote: »

Actually, not a bad point. Rain trousers are murder to get on and off, especially if you're wearing winter boots or big cloggy Ecco sandals.

Rain trousers with full length or half length leg zips have been around for years. Designed to go over hillwalking/mountaineering boots. Also very handy for ventilation especially compared to the cheap plastic ones.

Lowe Alpine, North Face, Berghaus etc all make these but can be pricey. Trespass and Regatta do also. Shop around and you can pick up a pair fairly cheap.

ThisRegard

Yeah, I've a good pair of North Face water proof trousers which are easy to be pull over boots and shoes.

tomasrojo

I have rain trousers with the zippers on the leg, and they're very good, but I want something like this:

Chuchote

magicbastarder wrote: »

you run the risk of causing a driver to have an epileptic fit and crashing into you if you wore those.

Not at all. They'd be so dazzled they couldn't aim the car properly.

cats pyjamas wrote: »

Rain trousers with full length or half length leg zips have been around for years. Designed to go over hillwalking/mountaineering boots. Also very handy for ventilation especially compared to the cheap plastic ones.

Lowe Alpine, North Face, Berghaus etc all make these but can be pricey. Trespass and Regatta do also. Shop around and you can pick up a pair fairly cheap.

That's what I use, but honestly, taking them off when cold and wet and just wanting to flop down on the couch is really difficult - the ankle-to-calf zip always manages to catch on the gusset inside it. I usually end up undoing my boots and taking the trousers off when I'm in stocking feet.

papu

Copenhagenize design company react to the independent article of the RSA handing out 80,000 high Viz vests.

Ireland surrenders to Motordom!

https://www.facebook.com/Copenhagenize/posts/10155547817196897

I love Sean nos

That surrender happened some time ago.

Chuchote

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

I think that is somewhat unlikely but what could be likely is that a Judge could decide that cyclist is guilty of contributory negligence for head injuries sustained when knocked down while not wearing a helmet.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/cyclist-loses-damages-claim-over-injuries-in-collision-with-car-1.3103092

Dismissing the case, Mr Justice Anthony Barr said he was satisfied Mr Lyons had had no chance to avoid hitting Mr Duffy.
As a grown man, Mr Duffy was “highly negligent” to cycle from the city centre to Drimnagh without lights on his bike, the judge said. He was also negligent in failing to wear a helmet, he added.

AndrewJRenko

Don't forget to hi-vis your horse - no point in thinking about hi-vis after the horse has bolted, you know.

https://twitter.com/GlowMeansSlow

lizzylad84

Anyone know where one can get a solid hi viz gilet? Dunnes stores has a hi viz gonna go to a 90s rave type jacket in lady winter but I'd prefer a gilet fir winter commute

Chuchote

lizzylad84 wrote: »

Anyone know where one can get a solid hi viz gilet? Dunnes stores has a hi viz gonna go to a 90s rave type jacket in lady winter but I'd prefer a gilet fir winter commute

Not cheap but super-reflective https://www.provizsports.com/en-gb/cycling/cycling-gilets-vests

I love Sean nos

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Don't forget to hi-vis your horse - no point in thinking about hi-vis after the horse has bolted, you know.

https://twitter.com/GlowMeansSlow

Amazingly, a company that makes a product has found a problem that their product solves!

http://www.teamtunnaheventing.co.uk/2017/06/glow-means-slow.html?m=1

buffalo

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/liberties-in-dublin-gets-its-first-new-park-in-100-years-1.3241119

They're in a park... they're in a playground, in a park. WHY DO THEY NEED HI-VIZ!?

07Lapierre

buffalo wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/liberties-in-dublin-gets-its-first-new-park-in-100-years-1.3241119

They're in a park... they're in a playground, in a park. WHY DO THEY NEED HI-VIZ!?

Maybe they had to get to the park by walking across a road? ( at a pedestrian crossing while accompanied by adults!) in broad daylight too!

tomasrojo

When schools bring children to playgrounds during school hours, they seem to dress the kids up like that. I suppose they might actually believe it's addressing a genuine safety issue, but I'm pretty sure that they also feel that they're less likely to get in legal trouble if a child is hit by a car, or goes missing.

Of course, a decade or two or three of hi-viz promotion has left many people with the impression that most of the visible spectrum is very hard to discern in broad daylight. So there's that.

Macy0161

tomasrojo wrote: »

When schools bring children to playgrounds during school hours, they seem to dress the kids up like that. I suppose they might actually believe it's addressing a genuine safety issue, but I'm pretty sure that they also feel that they're less likely to get in legal trouble if a child is hit by a car, or goes missing.

It can also be to keep track/ easily identify children from the group - I've seen Beaver troops do that in the likes of Glendalough. It works to a degree, until two or more troops have the same plan...

I really don't get the whole everyone in hi viz in a park thing though. It's just conditioning at this stage. The likes of the Operation Transformation Walks and Runs, and the RSA free builders vest for every child has just normalised. Hence all the "they weren't even wearing hi viz" bull. It's expected off every other road user - except for when a motorist parks up and gets out of the car to go somewhere...

check_six

Macy0161 wrote: »

Hence all the "they weren't even wearing hi viz" bull. It's expected off every other road user - except for when a motorist parks up and gets out of the car to go somewhere...

"Was the car that hit you wearing a hi-vis vest?"

"No. And therefore it was completely invisible to my puny human eyes barely adapted for survival after millions of years of evolution on this planet."

"Have the car taken away and hanged!"

AndrewJRenko

Macy0161 wrote: »

I really don't get the whole everyone in hi viz in a park thing though. It's just conditioning at this stage. The likes of the Operation Transformation Walks and Runs, and the RSA free builders vest for every child has just normalised. Hence all the "they weren't even wearing hi viz" bull. It's expected off every other road user - except for when a motorist parks up and gets out of the car to go somewhere...

I don't Operation Transformation, but from the bits I saw this year, the hi-viz-for-all attitude wasn't quite as ubiquitous as in previous years.

tomasrojo

Well, that's some progress, I suppose.