ANNIE POWER

Gringo180

BEST MARE IN TRAINING AND BEST SINCE DAWN RUN. FREAK!!

prettyboy81

Deserves her own thread

MadHorse

Just after looking at her bumper runs.
Patrick had to get stuck into her to win galway bumper for Bolger
Then she starts to progress and wins a 2 horse bumper at 1/10 - talk about printing money

lol

Itziger

MadHorse wrote: »

Just after looking at her bumper runs.
Patrick had to get stuck into her to win galway bumper for Bolger
Then she starts to progress and wins a 2 horse bumper at 1/10 - talk about printing money

lol

And your point is??

Anyway, what does the owner say/do now? I didn't see today's race but you'd surely be tempted to go CH if it was soft.

bored.ayee

Itziger wrote: »

And your point is??

Anyway, what does the owner say/do now? I didn't see today's race but you'd surely be tempted to go CH if it was soft.

The owner was interviewed on the C4 racing today. Regarding Doncaster and not tomorrow he said he wanted to "avoid the big boys". You might as well say "we chickened out". On today's performance she has EVERY RIGHT to line up against them tomorrow, and I for one am bitterly disappointed that she won't.

I make no apology for the above - I don't know the Ricci's, Mullins', Walsh's or anyone connected. However, I feel so strongly about this because this mare's potential has caught my imagination like nothing else this season.

I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see her tested to the very limit of her abilities, and I think an entry tomorrow would have gone some way towards that. Why? Because, as the poster above says, she is showing signs of being a legend in the making.

What I would say to team Ricci, if they are interested, is you will only regret the things you don't do, not the things you did.

But all is not lost, mercifully. She has another chance on Cheltenham Tuesday. I am not saying I think that she will beat HF. What I fear is that we will never know if she can or not, because they keep avoiding each other.

So Team Ricci - CARPE DIEM! SEIZE THE DAY! Festival Tuesday!

Rant over.

Panrich

I think Ruby and Mullins will be bending Riccis ear that the World Hurdle is the way to go. They have Un de Sceaux as a sub for the champion if anything happens with HF and Quevega will not be opposed by any other Mullins genuine contender in the mares. Ruby won't want to have to make a choice either and I get the impression he likes to have his way.

Gringo180

Just looking at the race again I didn't think she pulled that far clear of the runner up, it was 15 lengths in the end and if he had of asked her any serious questions she could of doubled that winning margin easily. What a prospect she is, hope to jaysus they send her the Champion Hurdle what a mouth watering clash that would be against the boys :eek::cool::cool::cool:

deccy15

Gringo180 wrote: »

BEST MARE IN TRAINING AND BEST SINCE DAWN RUN. FREAK!!

NOT EVEN THE BEST IN HER OWN YARD!!

Gringo180

deccy15 wrote: »

NOT EVEN THE BEST IN HER OWN YARD!!

:pac::pac::pac:
Ive the utmost respect for Quevega but theres a new kid on the block now, this thing is a flying machine.

deccy15

Gringo180 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
Ive the utmost respect for Quevega but theres a new kid on the block now, this thing is a flying machine.

She is very very good but still Quevega for me. Also think she should go the World Hurdle or Aintree Hurdle route as i don't she she jumps well enough to win a Champion Hurdle just yet.

Gringo180

deccy15 wrote: »

She is very very good but still Quevega for me. Also think she should go the World Hurdle or Aintree Hurdle route as i don't she she jumps well enough to win a Champion Hurdle just yet.

This lady would even win an Ascot Gold Cup :cool:

sting60

Ascot Gold Cups wow. now we are seriously getting carried away.I want her to run in the stayers but believe me she is not bred to stay.Is this stopping Mullins/Richie all lads here look at her breeding.She is a total freak and may well stay if she does, knowing how we calculated yesterday she will run a big race Gold Cup[Ascot] looks total rubbish as she wont stay she is bred to want a bit of dig.[my god]

hucklebuck

They should run her in both races, if she comes out of the CH well she would still have a very big chance in the WH

faoile@n

hucklebuck wrote: »

They should run her in both races, if she comes out of the CH well she would still have a very big chance in the WH

Run a 6yo mare in the champ hurdle and reappear 3 days later in one of the most gruelling races of the festival?

Genius.

hucklebuck

faoile@n wrote: »

Run a 6yo mare in the champ hurdle and reappear 3 days later in one of the most gruelling races of the festival?

Genius.

If you are going to be smart, get your info right, it's 2 days later.

Does her age/ sex matter? She is a monster of a horse and if she is not going to be competitive in the CH it doesn't have to be gruelling as you put it.

Did you ever hear about the horse than won a Champion Chase and less than a day later came third in "one of the most gruelling races of the festival", he only came third due to jockey error. Now that's genius!!!

stretchaq

hucklebuck wrote: »

If you are going to be smart, get your info right, it's 2 days later.

Does her age/ sex matter? She is a monster of a horse and if she is not going to be competitive in the CH it doesn't have to be gruelling as you put it.

Did you ever hear about the horse than won a Champion Chase and less than a day later came third in "one of the most gruelling races of the festival", he only came third due to jockey error. Now that's genius!!!

What horse was that??

hucklebuck

stretchaq wrote: »

What horse was that??

Flying Bolt, he was a freak, 2nd highest rated of all time.

ste2010

Huck your beginning to sound like a greedy charity-less version of Oliver Brady. A G1 champion hurdle horse deserves a lot more respect than a 3m slog in the same week

klairondavis

Pop her over a few fences and go and win the Arkle.

hucklebuck

All messing aside I have no doubt she will prove to be one of the very best mares we have ever seen.

I dont think it is so far beyond the realms of possibility to run in both. She has twice knocked the crap out of a horse who has been consistent in 2 champion hurdles over an extended trip which would suit him, with her ears pricked in manky ground.

In light of Big Bucks and AFC runs on Saturday, barring a massive improvement from Big Bucks she could win the WH at 85% save for something lile Bog Warrior being supplimented. The biggest danger to her in the race is Zarkandar and 3/1 nrnb is a gift from god, have a decent bet on her at 7s and will invest again come payday.

So like I said depending on how she comes out of the champion and her quality its not that far fetched.

Panrich

Chinrullah won the champion chase by 25 lengths in 1980 and came 5th in the Gold cup the following day.

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

All messing aside I have no doubt she will prove to be one of the very best mares we have ever seen.

I dont think it is so far beyond the realms of possibility to run in both. She has twice knocked the crap out of a horse who has been consistent in 2 champion hurdles over an extended trip which would suit him, with her ears pricked in manky ground.

In light of Big Bucks and AFC runs on Saturday, barring a massive improvement from Big Bucks she could win the WH at 85% save for something lile Bog Warrior being supplimented. The biggest danger to her in the race is Zarkandar and 3/1 nrnb is a gift from god, have a decent bet on her at 7s and will invest again come payday.

So like I said depending on how she comes out of the champion and her quality its not that far fetched.

I though you were serious till the Bog Warrior comment, lol good one, you had me going

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I though you were serious till the Bog Warrior comment, lol good one, you had me going

He ran very well last year and cracked/chipped a bone during the race.

I said I would be worried about him if AP was 85%, nothing in the WH could live with her at 100%

Gringo180

Will she stay the World Hurdle? I have my doubts. She has some engine/cruising speed, I can just see it now, coming to the last in the Champion and there all at it except herself who is absolutely cantering, pops the last and streaks clear to win by a cosy 5 lengths, jockey barely having to shake her up :cool:

zpehtsfd

If Annie Power was trained by anyone else there would be no question as to where she would be heading. Rich Ricci has spent absolute fortunes buying the very best racehorses for Wille Mullins to train and now has the chance to win 1 of the 3 premier races. It's embarrassing to listen to him talk around which target he wants for AP. Clearly he doesn't want to ruffle WPMs feathers but come on man you already agreed to let him campaign her over the pond so he could fatten his own bank account at the expense of travelling the horse. It's time for RR to grow a pair and show WPM who's boss.

premierstone

Banker of the week if she lines up in the World Hurdle, place lay of the week in a Champion, she is not a 2 miler.

ste2010

What's that based on premiers tone?theres nothing there to suggest she'd get 3m

MadHorse

hucklebuck wrote: »

Flying Bolt, he was a freak, 2nd highest rated of all time.

Ahhh those were the days when they let plough horses run in the gold cup. Different story these days .

hucklebuck

MadHorse wrote: »

Ahhh those were the days when they let plough horses run in the gold cup. Different story these days .

Not sure Flying Bolt ran in a Gold Cup given Arkle was, but he did win from about 1m4 to 4m.

He was a gift from God, the dam had no racing history as far as I know but do you know many plough horses with Derby winners as their sire? Airbourne iirc.

Gringo180

BumperD

Suggests that world hurdle is the favoured option, unless the champion hurdle field cuts up badly. That's my interpretation of RR's comments.

Funny, saw a comment a few pages back asking RR to grow a set of baxxs. He's the former head of one of the largest banks on planet earth so I doubt he's lacking in that area. The day the owner starts calling the shots is the beginning of the end of a trainer/owner relationship.

RichieLawlor

She has never ran over 3 miles, she is unbeaten over 2 miles. It's not rocket science as to where she should line up

BumperD

3 of her last 4 runs have been 20f or more, except lto where she raced over 17f against her own sex. I agree, it's clear which way they are leaning based on her campaign to date ie not 16f.

RichieLawlor

BumperD wrote: »

3 of her last 4 runs have been 20f or more, except lto where she raced over 17f against her own sex. I agree, it's clear which way they are leaning based on her campaign to date.

You think bringing her back to 2 miles for her latest run is indicative of a plan that ends in the World Hurdle

BumperD

RichieLawlor wrote: »

You think bringing her back to 2 miles for her latest run is indicative of a plan that ends in the World Hurdle

I think they are keeping their options open. Thats what he said on the video. Given 3 of her last 4 runs are 20f + suggests they are leaning more towards a longer distance race.

Do you not think she would have tested herself at 16f if she was being targeted at a 16f race?

Btw, I have no financial interest in where she turns up.

BumperD

RichieLawlor wrote: »

You think bringing her back to 2 miles for her latest run is indicative of a plan that ends in the World Hurdle

17f (not 16f) btw.

BumperD

If she was heading for the 16f race, I'd have expected her to contest one of the 16f speed races to test herself eg fighting fifth or Christmas hurdle. The 17f race at the weekend was restricted to her own sex and was not a championship 16f speed race. If the champion hurdle cuts up, she could turn up. In fact, it would be great for her to turn up from a spectating point of view. But maybe not in her best interest this year given the strength of opposition. Lets see how many make it to Day1. 6 weeks away. Anything could happen and a couple will likely fall by the wayside, unfortunately.

longshotvalue

Hopfully she'll turn up in one of them anyway, but i wouldnt fancy her at all against Big Bucks at the current price. I may be going the opposite way to a lot, but i was impressed with him at the weekend. He had ground he didnt like on a first run back, and i think he travelled supremely for nearly all the race and just faded up the hill. On goodish ground with the benefit of a run behind him, she will need to be as good as seems possible to beat him and its hard to be sure about that yet..

that said i hope to god it happens, as she doesnt look to be me to be a CH type. More Gold Cup actually in time...

zpehtsfd

BumperD wrote: »

17f (not 16f) btw.

16.5f to be precise, exactly the same distance as the CH. In saying that Doncaster is no Cheltenham in testing terms.

AP has earned her chance to run in the CH and there should be no discussion as to where she runs. Imagine Paddy Mullins ran Dawn Run in the poxy WH instead of the CH? Has Willie learned nothing from his Dad.

BumperD

zpehtsfd wrote: »

.…and there should be no discussion as to where she runs.

Imagine Paddy Mullins ran Dawn Run in the poxy WH instead of the CH? Has Willie learned nothing from his Dad.

Those two statements speak for themselves.

zpehtsfd

BumperD wrote: »

The day the owner starts calling the shots is the beginning of the end of a trainer/owner relationship.

Are you telling me Gigginstown don't call the shots with WPM? No way Mozoltov would have run on Sunday if WPM had his way. Could easily have found a nice race for him in Ascot or somewhere like that. Absolutely no reason for him to run against Felix Yonger. :rolleyes:

RichieLawlor

BumperD wrote: »

I think they are keeping their options open. Thats what he said on the video. Given 3 of her last 4 runs are 20f + suggests they are leaning more towards a longer distance race.

Do you not think she would have tested herself at 16f if she was being targeted at a 16f race?

Btw, I have no financial interest in where she turns up.

Her latest run is the most interesting, not the fact that she ran longer trips earlier in the season

Dr. Bre

loads of trainers/owners must want a shot at the world hurdle now after the cleeve result!

Gringo180

Wasn't there a Grade 2 3 mile hurdle race in Ireland the weekend just gone, if they were going the World Hurdle route surely they would of ran her there instead of over 2 miles in England.

longshotvalue

Gringo180 wrote: »

Wasn't there a Grade 2 3 mile hurdle race in Ireland the weekend just gone, if they were going the World Hurdle route surely they would of ran her there instead of over 2 miles in England.

didnt wille say on an interview at the weekend (more or less), that basically that 20k was left on the ground for him to pickup, and why not just do that..

Panrich

BumperD wrote: »

The day the owner starts calling the shots is the beginning of the end of a trainer/owner relationship.

If I was lucky enough to own a horse good enough for the Champion hurdle, I'd not be running it in the WH to suit the trainer / jockey.

boysinblack

Panrich wrote: »

If I was lucky enough to own a horse good enough for the Champion hurdle, I'd not be running it in the WH to suit the trainer / jockey.

What if the trainer/jockey told you that horse had no chance of beating the horse in the box beside it.

Surely then a weak world hurdle becasue an attractive proposition...

Gringo180

aidankkk wrote: »

didnt wille say on an interview at the weekend (more or less), that basically that 20k was left on the ground for him to pickup, and why not just do that..

True enough it was easy money, she blitzed them. The mare that fell was been scrubbed along when Ruby picked the pace up a bit and she was only beaten narrowly by My Tent Or Yours iirc on her previous appearance so these were no monkeys she beat all the same they were high class mares.

premierstone

ste2010 wrote: »

What's that based on premiers tone?theres nothing there to suggest she'd get 3m

Everything suggest she will relish the trip, watch her second beating of Zarkandar again, and if you can a few of the other races that were ran at Chelt. that day and compare how she finished her race compared to how every other single horse collapsed over the line that day, Ruby said afterwards that his hardest job all day was to pull her up.

both races are NRNB anyhow so if She is as specail as we hope there is no harm in backing her in whichever race you fell She will run in, personally I think it has to be the WH.

UrbanSea

Gringo180 wrote: »

True enough it was easy money, she blitzed them. The mare that fell was been scrubbed along when Ruby picked the pace up a bit and she was only beaten narrowly by My Tent Or Yours iirc on her previous appearance so these were no monkeys she beat all the same they were high class mares.

There are few high class mares around and they were fair but a poor bunch. You forgot to mention that was MTOY comeback and she was flattered by her proximity to him. I wouldn't use the beating of that lot as evidence of how good she could be all mares races tend to be awful

premierstone

Gringo180 wrote: »

True enough it was easy money, she blitzed them. The mare that fell was been scrubbed along when Ruby picked the pace up a bit and she was only beaten narrowly by My Tent Or Yours iirc on her previous appearance so these were no monkeys she beat all the same they were high class mares.

Ah come on, Im a massive fan of Annie Powers but the opposition was piss poor, Cockney Sparrow is the one you were talking about and she is a mid 140 rated mare at her very best, MTOY was not racefit that particular day.