Steven Gerrard's murky past.

buyer95

This is obviously an old story, but one that I was unaware of. Just thought others might also have been unaware of his ties to unsavoury characters. Obviously Gerrard isn't the only footballer with connections to undesirables. Rooney, Terry, Anthony Stokes, Rio Ferdinand are all names that immediately spring to mind. It interests me why the game of football,in particular, appears to be more susceptible to its players having gangland/terrorist links than any other.

When the name of the character witness was read out to the sleepy jury at Lincoln Crown Court this week, even the doziest of their number sprang to rapt attention.

Steven George Gerrard MBE - captain of Liverpool Football Club, occasional captain of England and role model to millions of impressionable youngsters - wished it to be known that he had "the utmost respect" for the man who stood in the dock.

Never mind that the defendant, John Kinsella, was a known gangster charged with tying up a security guard during a £41,000 robbery.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560616/Soccer-star-gangsters-Steven-Gerrard-murky-depths-Liverpools-underworld.html

Sir Arthur Daley

Cab you summarise that OP, way too much for this hour of the night to be reading.

dodderangler

Seemed interesting but op that's near a poxy novel you've just posted. Boll0x that.

Jonkenji

I could read the lord of the rings trilogy in less time than reading that.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Being from a rough area doesn't give you a murky past. A fella I played football with as a kid, and swapped computer games with is in jail for possessing drugs and a gun. I've never been convicted of any crime, nor arrested. Do I've a murky past by association?

Sir Arthur Daley

160 word cap should be introduced.

Vito Corleone

I don't see the big deal, we've all associated with unsavory characters at some point in our lives.

buyer95

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

Being from a rough area doesn't give you a murky past. A fella I played football with as a kid, and swapped computer games with is in jail for possessing drugs and a gun. I've never been convicted of any crime, nor arrested. Do I've a murky past by association?

Not saying that, and I suppose the thread title is misleading. Gerrard did not just associate with these people, he felt the need to invoke the use of one John Kinsella, self professed "fixer", and gangland criminal, to ward off the the threat being placed on him from another gangster George Bromley Jnr, whp was threatening to shoot the Liverpool captain in the legs and maim him as well as demanding money from him. From article -Bromley decided to use Stevie as a cash machine, basically, and started demanding large sums of money."


One would presume that the Gerrard's did not willingly write the character reference letter to the court for Kinsella who stood accused of tying up a security guard during a £41,000 robbery. The implication is that this was a favour called in by Kinsella, as payback for sorting out the Bromley problem. In fact the article claims that Kinsella visited Steven's father the night before his trial, demanding that Steven be there in person to give a character reference. This is not the same as simply knowing a fella when you were young who got knicked for drug possession.

Secondly, and perhaps most interestingly, the article claims that Gerards proposed transfer to Chelsea was blocked at the 11th hour by liverpudlian gangsters. I remember at the time that the deal was supposed to be practically done, when Gerrard gave the press conference stating that he was staying with the reds. The article claims that on the night that Stevie was to sign for Chelsea, Gerrard had a visit from his father Paul, who informed him that he would be putting their lives at risk by leaving the club. Gerrard buckled under the pressure and stayed.

Did your childhood friend still exert that level of influence on you in your adult life?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Interesting read. I really can't blame him in looking for alternative ways to protect his family from a very real and credible threat when the police option was exhausted. I'd consider it an instinctual valid response to be honest.

I known it's quite separate but still on the 'is this person a scumbag or not' vibe but wasn't Mike Tyson jailed for rape and domestic violence and he bit a felas ear off and he threatened interviewers and did loads of crazy nutbar factor 5 sh1t and he was hated and vilified by the media and the general public.
Yet now he stars in hit movies, is generally respected, is usually liked and warmly received by most.

It's funny how perceptions change in my opinion.

AllGunsBlazing

As nerve racking as it must have been for Gerrard it's nothing compared to what some South American footballers have to endure. As in kidnapped family members and the very real possibility of being gunned down in the street.

KungPao

Reads like a plot from a film. Just needs an ending.

I always wondered why he stayed at Liverpool. Could have signed for the likes of Chelsea or Real Madrid at his peak, while LFC started going backwards. Real game-changer of a player.

I guess we know why now.

KungPao

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

As bad as that story reads it's nothing compared to what some South American footballer have to endure. As in kidnapped family members and the very real possibility of being gunned down in the street.

One Andres Escobar springs to mind

My name is URL

WikiHow wrote: »

Cab you summarise that OP, way too much for this hour of the night to be reading.

He's from Liverpool

lkionm

Ah lads, stop the lights with those long comments

buyer95

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Interesting read. I really can't blame him in looking for alternative ways to protect his family from a very real and credible threat when the police option was exhausted. I'd consider it an instinctual valid response to be honest.

I known it's quite separate but still on the 'is this person a scumbag or not' vibe but wasn't Mike Tyson jailed for rape and domestic violence and he bit a felas ear off and he threatened interviewers and did loads of crazy nutbar factor 5 sh1t and he was hated and vilified by the media and the general public.
Yet now he stars in hit movies, is generally respected, is usually liked and warmly received by most.

It's funny how perceptions change in my opinion.

The fact that Gerrard felt that the need to call in a gangsters to deal with a threatening person speaks volumes, he informed the police and this got him nowhere. Sounds almost like a breakdown in society, mob rule kind of stuff...

buyer95

Lapin wrote: »

Ah good, the Steven Gerrard copy and paste thread. I've been looking everywhere on Boards for to ment (Popular Footballer: 2006

Ah disciples of Gerrard, come in I was expecting you...

Cookie_Monster

WikiHow wrote: »

Cab you summarise that OP, way too much for this hour of the night to be reading.

lots of footballers are scumbags and hang around with other scumbags.
hardly a revelation now...

taytothief

Have you nothing for doing OP?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

buyer95 wrote: »

Ah disciples of Gerrard, come in I was expecting you...

You quoted the entire post to write that. You haven't been paying much attention, have ya?

buyer95

taytothief wrote: »

Have you nothing for doing OP?

College student, off till end of the month, so no, I'll sleep till late.

Ruu

Edited the OP, that was frankly a mess.

Mod.

MonaPizza

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

Being from a rough area doesn't give you a murky past. A fella I played football with as a kid, and swapped computer games with is in jail for possessing drugs and a gun. I've never been convicted of any crime, nor arrested. Do I've a murky past by association?

hear hear!

at the tender age of 13,14 I used to knock about with a lad.

I went to University.

He joined, and was killed, during a CIRA operation.

FUCK THAT!

Sunglasses Ron

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

but wasn't Mike Tyson jailed for rape and domestic violence

There was quite a bit of credible defense evidence not allowed to be heard at his rape trial.


As regards murky pasts, Tyson obviously knew some hard bastards from his youth. One of his best childhood friends growing to being the hitman who tried, and failed, to kill 50 Cent (before he was famous).

As regards footballers I doubt there are many with a level of scobe in their closet as Joey Barton's brother and cousin.

BillyMitchel

When I lived in the UK there were always stories going around about Stevie G.

There was a big gangster after him at one point and the said gangster was called "Pancake".

Do you know why he was called Pancake?

































Because he was always flipping out.

Augmerson

Why didn't you post this in the Soccer forum OP?

D-FENS

No worse than him vouching for Suarez

Cantona's Collars

Augmerson wrote: »

Why didn't you post this in the Soccer forum OP?

It'd turn into a clusterfuck within 20 minutes as Gerard supporters will deny he ever had links to shady figures in Liverpool.He's not as innocent as he'd like people to believe. Remember when he was caught on CCTV punching a dj but somehow got away with it?

Many footballers have murky pasts or skeletons in their closets.Jermaine Pennant,John Terry - parents are drug dealers.

Ravel Morrison - running with a crew of gangsters in Manchester.

Tipsy McSwagger

taytothief wrote: »

Have you nothing for doing OP?

He supports Man Utd so he should be getting prepared for a mid table finish.

shadowcomplex

You think that's bad? Have heard who he plays for ?

padd b1975

I think his wife has far more dodgy connections than he has.

Popular terrace chant aimed at Stevie...


'who's that coming over your wife?

Is it a gangster, is it a gangster?'

Econoline Van

zerks wrote: »

Remember when he was caught on CCTV punching a dj but somehow got away with it?.

The DJ alleged that Gerrard was violently demanding some Phil Collins be played.

I imagine the magistrates thought the scenario too unlikely.

anncoates

I'm getting rid of my Gerrard duvet cover and curtain set after reading that .

Hermy

buyer95 wrote: »

Steven George Gerrard MBE

MBE??
Jez, they're throwing those things out like confetti now!

Knex*

Econoline Van wrote: »

The DJ alleged that Gerrard was violently demanding some Phil Collins be played.

I imagine the magistrates thought the scenario too unlikely.

They're a decent band, actually. Should of left them on and kept Phil Collins in the CD case.

DeanAustin

Didn't Joleon Lescott (allegedly) get seriously injured in 2003 by some gangsters in Birmingham during his Wolves days for trying it on with the wrong woman. Was out for the virtually the entire following season.

Always lots of stories about footballers. Alan Hutton is another one. Battered his father after a day on the beer I think and was also a big fan of Charlie (the Prince of Wales of course) allegedly. And then you have Calum Davenport who got stabbed in the legs after a big argument with his sister and her fella.

BillyMitchel

Econoline Van wrote: »

The DJ alleged that Gerrard was violently demanding some Phil Collins be played.

I imagine the magistrates thought the scenario too unlikely.

And he beat the case against all odds?

golfball37

BillyMitchel wrote: »

And he beat the case against all odds?

You can't hurry quality comments like that

BillyMitchel

golfball37 wrote: »

You can't hurry quality comments like that

Sorry it's just there was something in the air.

Augmerson

zerks wrote: »

It'd turn into a clusterfuck within 20 minutes as Gerard supporters will deny he ever had links to shady figures in Liverpool.He's not as innocent as he'd like people to believe. Remember when he was caught on CCTV punching a dj but somehow got away with it?

Many footballers have murky pasts or skeletons in their closets.Jermaine Pennant,John Terry - parents are drug dealers.

Ravel Morrison - running with a crew of gangsters in Manchester.

Maybe so, or maybe you might have a more enlightened discussion with people who actually know about Gerard's background who could go into more detail?

I've no doubt many professional footballers have or had had questionable links to bad elements in society. They aren't the gods that the media make them out to be just because of their athletic abilities. John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs, Robbie Fowler have all had affairs for example. Football, in England at least, is by and large a working class game. The players are working class. The supporters are for the most part working class.

That's not to say that a criminal element and the working class go hand in hand, or that being working class and being unfaithful are linked. I'm not saying that at all. They're just not brilliant people that Sky and the papers make them out to be because they're good at soccer. For many of the players, if it wasn't for the game, they wouldn't exactly be shining in other areas. Many come from deprived areas, very poor with limited opportunities. And they go from places like Toxteth and Peckham to being part of huge football clubs earning insane money every week.

buyer95

Augmerson wrote: »

Maybe so, or maybe you might have a more enlightened discussion with people who actually know about Gerard's background who could go into more detail?

I've no doubt many professional footballers have or had had questionable links to bad elements in society. They aren't the gods that the media make them out to be just because of their athletic abilities. John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs, Robbie Fowler have all had affairs for example. Football, in England at least, is by and large a working class game. The players are working class. The supporters are for the most part working class.

That's not to say that a criminal element and the working class go hand in hand, or that being working class and being unfaithful are linked. I'm not saying that at all. They're just not brilliant people that Sky and the papers make them out to be because they're good at soccer. For many of the players, if it wasn't for the game, they wouldn't exactly be shining in other areas. Many come from deprived areas, very poor with limited opportunities. And they go from places like Toxteth and Peckham to being part of huge football clubs earning insane money every week.

I thought this thread might be overran by stupid Liverpool supporters who think the world shines out of his arse.

Augmerson

buyer95 wrote: »

I thought this thread might be overran by stupid Liverpool supporters who think the world shines our of his arse.

Ah. So you've just got some gripe with fans of a football club or the football club itself? G'man yourself, I'd say 'Pool supporters are weeping into their Weetabix today.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Augmerson wrote: »

John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs, Robbie Fowler have all had affairs for example.

Together? Dirty feckers.

Vito Corleone

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard,
He'll pass the ball 40 yards
He's big and he's fuckin' hard,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard.

mathepac

Hermy wrote: »

MBE??
Jez, they're throwing those things out like confetti now!

What is it / are they?

Augmerson

Kenneth Pitiful Stubble wrote: »

Together? Dirty feckers.

There's a video going around on the Torrents apparently.

wp_rathead

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard,
He'll pass the ball 40 yards
He's big and he's fuckin' hard,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard.

that doesn't even rhyme
football fans are slacking

"when the ball hits your head
and you sit in row Z
that's Zamora"

K-9

zerks wrote: »

It'd turn into a clusterfuck within 20 minutes as Gerard supporters will deny he ever had links to shady figures in Liverpool.He's not as innocent as he'd like people to believe. Remember when he was caught on CCTV punching a dj but somehow got away with it?

Many footballers have murky pasts or skeletons in their closets.Jermaine Pennant,John Terry - parents are drug dealers.

Ravel Morrison - running with a crew of gangsters in Manchester.

Instead, we have you in AH with your unbiased and objective views on anything Liverpool related.

This was brought up a couple of times on the Liverpool thread, don't think there was any big deal made of it whatsoever.

hefferboi

K-9 wrote: »

Instead, we have you in AH with your unbiased and objective views on anything Liverpool related.

This was brought up a couple of times on the Liverpool thread, don't think there was any big deal made of it whatsoever.

He can't post in the Soccer forum for a while unfortunately.

ABajaninCork

Where did you get the idea Rio Ferdinand was connected with gangsters, OP??

Only I happen to know although he comes from Peckham (which is rougher than sandpaper), he and his family are actually decent people...

WilyCoyote

wprathead wrote: »

that doesn't even rhyme
football fans are slacking

"when the ball hits your head
and you sit in row Z
that's Zamora"

Aha! Another QPR fan. C'mon you RRRRRRRs!:D

joe swanson

Not really surprised.