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Son suspended falsely - Extremely angry

  • 19-01-2014 9:29pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24


    Mods, sorry if this is an incorrect forum for this, move if required.

    I am not seeking legal advice as such, I just want to know where I stand. I might just accept my son's suspension from school and leave it there and not push my luck.

    OK, my son was in computer class in school and the teacher left the room momentarily and said while she was leaving "no talking or walking around", or something like that.

    Everyone was working on a task (it involved sing excel for maths). When the teacher left some of the students ran amok and were talking. One of the girls was flicking bits of rubber at his back continuously, she is known in the class for being a bit of a messer. Anyway, after getting about 9 or 10 hits on the back and back of the head he turned around and said stop .. at that instant the teacher walked back in and accused him of talking.

    She assigned him lunch time detention and wants an apology from him for disobeying teachers orders despite him saying what had happened and showing the teacher the eraser segments on the ground.

    He is refusing to apologise and accept his lunch time detention which is supposed to take place next week and because of this, the teacher and principal are threatening to escalate this to suspension. Even though he has the back up of a few of his class mates.

    He is one of the less popular kids and the messer girl is more popular so people are sticking up for her even though she was in the wrong.

    Any advice on where I would stand would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,804 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Mods, sorry if this is an incorrect forum for this, move if required.

    I am not seeking legal advice as such, I just want to know where I stand. I might just accept my son's suspension from school and leave it there and not push my luck.

    OK, my son was in computer class in school and the teacher left the room momentarily and said while she was leaving "no talking or walking around", or something like that.

    Everyone was working on a task (it involved sing excel for maths). When the teacher left some of the students ran amok and were talking. One of the girls was flicking bits of rubber at his back continuously, she is known in the class for being a bit of a messer. Anyway, after getting about 9 or 10 hits on the back and back of the head he turned around and said stop .. at that instant the teacher walked back in and accused him of talking.

    She assigned him lunch time detention and wants an apology from him for disobeying teachers orders despite him saying what had happened and showing the teacher the eraser segments on the ground.

    He is refusing to apologise and accept his lunch time detention which is supposed to take place next week and because of this, the teacher and principal are threatening to escalate this to suspension. Even though he has the back up of a few of his class mates.

    He is one of the less popular kids and the messer girl is more popular so people are sticking up for her even though she was in the wrong.

    Any advice on where I would stand would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks.

    But (as you said) he did talk...


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Schools are quite literally a law unto themselves in most cases.

    It's unfair that your son was caught out when the teacher walked back in but he was caught doing something he'd been told not to. Refusing to accept the punishment in this case is effectively refusing to acknowledge the school's authority. That being the case, suspension is a fair remedy from the school's perspective.

    It's a bit like when you get a parking ticket even though you were only one minute outside the 15 minute grace period. You might feel like you shouldn't have gotten the ticket in the first place but you have to accept that failing to pay the fine will land you in worse trouble/Mountjoy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    You're seriously posting about this in a legal discussion forum? :eek:

    Jeez. Your son messed up and was caught, no it wasn't really his fault, and no it's not really fair, but life's not always fair! Use this as a learning experience.

    How is he ever going to respect his teachers if you don't?! Dodging the punishment shouldn't even be in question!

    If you felt he was being victimised on an ongoing basis, I'd be sympathetic. As it is a once-off, I think you're doing him no favours by trying to avoid punishment in this instance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    Mods, sorry if this is an incorrect forum for this, move if required.

    I am not seeking legal advice as such, I just want to know where I stand. I might just accept my son's suspension from school and leave it there and not push my luck.

    OK, my son was in computer class in school and the teacher left the room momentarily and said while she was leaving "no talking or walking around", or something like that.

    Everyone was working on a task (it involved sing excel for maths). When the teacher left some of the students ran amok and were talking. One of the girls was flicking bits of rubber at his back continuously, she is known in the class for being a bit of a messer. Anyway, after getting about 9 or 10 hits on the back and back of the head he turned around and said stop .. at that instant the teacher walked back in and accused him of talking.

    She assigned him lunch time detention and wants an apology from him for disobeying teachers orders despite him saying what had happened and showing the teacher the eraser segments on the ground.

    He is refusing to apologise and accept his lunch time detention which is supposed to take place next week and because of this, the teacher and principal are threatening to escalate this to suspension. Even though he has the back up of a few of his class mates.

    He is one of the less popular kids and the messer girl is more popular so people are sticking up for her even though she was in the wrong.

    Any advice on where I would stand would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks.

    If you want to deal with the situation as a parent, arrange a meeting with yourself, the teacher and the principal. Discuss how the school is allowing your child to be bullied during class time and remind them how serious the issue of bullying has become in Ireland recently. Ask them why they are punishing your child for asking another child to stop bullying him.

    Before the meeting ask them for their school policy on bullying, if they provide you with one, pick out the provisions that were broken during the incident. Ask them why they are not following their own policies.

    When the meeting is over, if you feel they have not responded to your satisfaction, write a registered letter to the principal outlining the incident and: why you believe your child was mistreated; how the child was bullied on school grounds during class time; and how the school not only failed to act, but punished your child for trying to stop the behaviour, in a non-violent way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    You're seriously posting about this in a legal discussion forum? :eek:

    Jeez. Your son messed up and was caught, no it wasn't really his fault, and no it's not really fair, but life's not always fair! Use this as a learning experience.

    How is he ever going to respect his teachers if you don't?! Dodging the punishment shouldn't even be in question!

    If you felt he was being victimised on an ongoing basis, I'd be sympathetic. As it is a once-off, I think you're doing him no favours by trying to avoid punishment in this instance.

    The purpose of punishment is to correct bad behavior, the child was not engaging in bad behavior during this incident. Therefore, there is no rationale for the punishment.

    This teacher probably doesn't have the child's respect, for good reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    I think the thread title is misleading seeing that in the opening post it says that the school are threatening the suspension so has the son been suspended or not ? Did the son add anything else to the word Stop or was that just it?
    Its sounds a bit OTT on the schools part based on the opening post. It doesn't say a lot for that teacher to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Rega


    seb65 wrote: »
    If you want to deal with the situation as a parent, arrange a meeting with yourself, the teacher and the principal. Discuss how the school is allowing your child to be bullied during class time and remind them how serious the issue of bullying has become in Ireland recently. Ask them why they are punishing your child for asking another child to stop bullying him.

    Before the meeting ask them for their school policy on bullying, if they provide you with one, pick out the provisions that were broken during the incident. Ask them why they are not following their own policies.

    When the meeting is over, if you feel they have not responded to your satisfaction, write a registered letter to the principal outlining the incident and: why you believe your child was mistreated; how the child was bullied on school grounds during class time; and how the school not only failed to act, but punished your child for trying to stop the behaviour, in a non-violent way.

    Bullying is repeated and habitual behaviour. The OP doesn't mention this happening before or any history of incidents with the girl in question so I can't see it being classed as bullying. Won't get too far poring over the school's anti bullying policy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭StickyIcky


    But (as you said) he did talk...

    FYI when you're the very first person to reply to the first post there's no need to quote the first post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Hes been suckered into talking. Can't get out of that. Lesson learnt. Maybe strike a deal that the teacher doesn't lose face/authority. Do the detention, but ask in the interest of fairness that the messer is moved to the front of the class, or does detention aswell. Otherwise the lesson here is don't get caught.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    StickyIcky wrote: »
    FYI when you're the very first person to reply to the first post there's no need to quote the first post.
    Moderator: there is no rule against quoting the OP whether you're the first or last person to post.

    Please refrain from backseat moderation in this forum. If you have an issue with a post, please report the post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    Rega wrote: »
    Bullying is repeated and habitual behaviour. The OP doesn't mention this happening before or any history of incidents with the girl in question so I can't see it being classed as bullying. Won't get too far poring over the school's anti bullying policy.

    Yes because someone with a reputation for being rowdy just spontaneously throws bits of eraser at someone else's head as a once off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    seb65 wrote: »
    If you want to deal with the situation as a parent, arrange a meeting with yourself, the teacher and the principal. Discuss how the school is allowing your child to be bullied during class time and remind them how serious the issue of bullying has become in Ireland recently. Ask them why they are punishing your child for asking another child to stop bullying him.

    Before the meeting ask them for their school policy on bullying, if they provide you with one, pick out the provisions that were broken during the incident. Ask them why they are not following their own policies.

    When the meeting is over, if you feel they have not responded to your satisfaction, write a registered letter to the principal outlining the incident and: why you believe your child was mistreated; how the child was bullied on school grounds during class time; and how the school not only failed to act, but punished your child for trying to stop the behaviour, in a non-violent way.


    Seems like throwing a bit of a grenade in there.

    Could be an issue with how your son reacted to his detention. Did he verbally abuse the teacher in front of the other students or refuse to retake his seat, disobedience, etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 Bobby The Builder


    seb65 wrote: »
    If you want to deal with the situation as a parent, arrange a meeting with yourself, the teacher and the principal. Discuss how the school is allowing your child to be bullied during class time and remind them how serious the issue of bullying has become in Ireland recently. Ask them why they are punishing your child for asking another child to stop bullying him.

    I will pop down tomorrow morning as I have a day off work. Perhaps I can see the principal if she has a free few minutes. I'm free all day and we live in the same town as the school.

    Jeez. Your son messed up and was caught, no it wasn't really his fault, and no it's not really fair, but life's not always fair! Use this as a learning experience.

    How is he ever going to respect his teachers if you don't?! Dodging the punishment shouldn't even be in question!

    How did my son mess up when he was asking someone to stop harassing him?

    I think you should be asking "how is he ever going to respect authority when the person being harassed is punished".
    It's a bit like when you get a parking ticket even though you were only one minute outside the 15 minute grace period. You might feel like you shouldn't have gotten the ticket in the first place but you have to accept that failing to pay the fine will land you in worse trouble/Mountjoy.

    You can't equate these two. Someone whose parking ticket expired technically is breaking the rules.

    My son was merely asking someone else to stop breaking the rules.
    But (as you said) he did talk...

    So what was he supposed to do? Let her keep flicking rubber segments indefinitely?

    Yes, anti-bullying has gone much too far, but so has the power trips of teachers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭sawdoubters


    most parents believe the kids,
    bring in the kid to the principle and have a talk

    I would judge, is the kid at home a saint, does he lie, if he was a very good I would believe the kid, but most parents excuse the kids behavior

    you should not fight the kids battles unless you know they are unjust, not just because he told you,

    I would say let him take his lunchtime punishment,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    I will pop down tomorrow morning as I have a day off work. Perhaps I can see the principal if she has a free few minutes. I'm free all day and we live in the same town as the school.



    How did my son mess up when he was asking someone to stop harassing him?

    I think you should be asking "how is he ever going to respect authority when the person being harassed is punished".



    You can't equate these two. Someone whose parking ticket expired technically is breaking the rules.

    My son was merely asking someone else to stop breaking the rules.



    So what was he supposed to do? Let her keep flicking rubber segments indefinitely?

    Yes, anti-bullying has gone much too far, but so has the power trips of teachers.

    Maybe wait and hear the teachers version of events before you make assume that the teacher is on a power trip.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 Bobby The Builder


    Seems like throwing a bit of a grenade in there.

    Could be an issue with how your son reacted to his detention. Did he verbally abuse the teacher in front of the other students or refuse to retake his seat, disobedience, etc.

    No, he simply stood up for himself politely. He has the backing of his friends as he received it on front of the class. His friend comes to the house often and he confirmed this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭McDook


    The things I used to do when I was a young lad and then spin it to my mother my own way. She thought and still does think I was an angel in school. And my mates used to back me up too.
    Even now when I tell her the truth she thinks im just winding her up.
    My sister was the same too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    No, he simply stood up for himself politely. He has the backing of his friends as he received it on front of the class. His friend comes to the house often and he confirmed this.

    Friends often back up friends. I remember my school days, we stuck together. Just think we need perspective to hear both sides of what happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Don't just 'pop in' arrange an appointment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    This part rings alarm bells, tbh;
    He is refusing to apologise and accept his lunch time detention which is supposed to take place next week and because of this, the teacher and principal are threatening to escalate this to suspension. Even though he has the back up of a few of his class mates.
    From this, you should ring the principal, and book some time with them, as popping in may get you no time, or even turned away, and ask about your sons general behaviour. Although your son may be your little angel, for a school to go from detention to suspension over such a petty incident, I'm guessing that there may be a long trail of something that led to this?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Not legal advice but personal advice:

    Since you're asking this question in the legal discussion forum you are obviously thinking about a potential court case of some kind.

    If this is really the type of thing that you would sue over, id seriously recommend talking it through with a friend or relative, just to give you some perspective on how minor an issue this is, vs going to court which is a very serious thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭B_Rabbit


    I don't have advice but i wanted to say fair play to your son for sticking to his principles on this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    seb65 wrote: »
    The purpose of punishment is to correct bad behavior, the child was not engaging in bad behavior during this incident. Therefore, there is no rationale for the punishment.

    This teacher probably doesn't have the child's respect, for good reason.

    There is only one side of the story posted here so these is no way a proper fair and unbiased opinion of the events can be formed.

    Detention for talking when told not to seems fair enough, escalating the punishment for attempting to completely undermine the teachers authority also seems fair enough to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    B_Rabbit wrote: »
    I don't have advice but i wanted to say fair play to your son for sticking to his principles on this one.

    Theres an element of that. But the flip side of this is you don't want to burn bridges with teachers and headmasters who you might want to manipulate down the line on some other more important issue. Don't win a battle that causes you to lose the war. He might have been better saying ok. But discussing it in private after class with the teacher.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    B_Rabbit wrote: »
    I don't have advice but i wanted to say fair play to your son for sticking to his principles on this one.

    I have a similar feeling although I do fully believe the Judge Judy quote of "how can you tell a teenager is lying? Their lips move".

    That said lets say Johhny is in the right here. Perhaps a lesson in authority figures don't always get it right, bad decisions are made and not to sweat the little things. Alternatively serve out your suspension and understand that taking a stand usually has a cost.

    Just ensure any response is a proportionate one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    GSBellew wrote: »
    There is only one side of the story posted here so these is no way a proper fair and unbiased opinion of the events can be formed.

    Detention for talking when told not to seems fair enough, escalating the punishment for attempting to completely undermine the teachers authority also seems fair enough to me.

    Well, there is no means for us to hear the other. However, the child's reaction seems to be quite strong if his reason for talking was not as presented by the OP.

    The detention is for disobeying an order. It was not the child's intention to disobey the order not to talk, he was trying to stop some brat from lodging rubber at his head.

    If someone tried to steal your wallet and you tripped him to prevent him from getting away, shall we charge you with assault then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Ah the analogies have started... How far will they go? :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    The teacher and the principal obviously either don't believe your son's side of the story or don't think it justifies his talking in class. You might ask yourself why this is.

    What's the legal angle to this anyway? Are you considering an injunction to prevent them from suspending him or suing for damages or what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The teacher and the principal obviously either don't believe your son's side of the story or don't think it justifies his talking in class. You might ask yourself why this is.

    What's the legal angle to this anyway? Are you considering an injunction to prevent them from suspending him or suing for damages or what?

    Judicial Review seems the most likely option :P

    Sorry I'll stop now...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭B_Rabbit


    Bepolite wrote: »
    I have a similar feeling although I do fully believe the Judge Judy quote of "how can you tell a teenager is lying? Their lips move".

    That said lets say Johhny is in the right here. Perhaps a lesson in authority figures don't always get it right, bad decisions are made and not to sweat the little things. Alternatively serve out your suspension and understand that taking a stand usually has a cost.

    Just ensure any response is a proportionate one.

    There's two possibilities.

    1. Johnny's a little prick in school, and he was messing. Teacher is sick of disrespect and so brings up the idea of suspension.
    2. Johnny is a normal enough lad, it's one of "those" teachers, and the teacher is in the wrong.

    If it's case 2, I'd tell the teacher I'll take the detention if it matters to them that much, but I will not apologise as I was not in the wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I only finished secondary school 7 or 8 years ago but I must be getting old... If Id brought this bullsh1t home to my parents I would have got screamed at by my mother or a smack in the face from my father and both would have made me crawl to the teacher and principle with an apology for disobeying their instructions and an offer to do the detention. Feel sorry for todays teachers if they actually have to enter into debate with the parents and children on every bit of irrelevant crap like this.

    Im just laughing at the thought of my parents going online to seek legal advice on what my rights are in this situation, Ireland must have been a more innocent place in the naughties :P


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Any advice on where I would stand would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks.

    Since you've posted this in a legal discussion forum, I'll presume you mean where do you stand from a legal point of view.

    For any sanction short of suspension, you stand nowhere, so to speak. The school has the authority to manage its own standards and code of behaviour and discipline effectively without any statutory legal impediment. Of course, the school could find itself in bother if it commits a civil wrong, but that's not likely to be the case and it's very difficult to prove anyway. The same applies for any suspension that is shorter than 4 weeks (20 school days).

    So in those cases, you'd really have to talk to a legal professional about the circumstances for advice.

    If a school does suspend your son for a period of 20 days or more, you acquire yourself some rights under statute law. A student in that position (or his/her parents) may appeal such a suspension to the Department of Education and Skills. Do a search on the web for Section 29 of the Education Act, 1998 for more details.

    Having said that, it is very doubtful that the circumstances you've described would lead to the school suspending a student for 4 weeks.

    I wouldn't pretend for a moment to advise you, and in any case I don't think I can, but if I were in your position I would have my doubts as to whether taking some form of civil legal action would be helpful to my son or to relations between him and the school. I stress that this is personal and "psychological" advice only.

    Having said that, if things are serious enough and he is troubled by this, you should be supportive of him. Maybe the best way to do that is to have a discussion with the school about the incident, and explain why it is of such concern to you - while at the same time making it clear that you endorse the school's policies and guidelines on behaviour and expect your son to do the same. In that regard, I'm not sure that an "extremely angry" approach to the school is the best one to take.

    More than once over the years, I've had to be supportive of my youngster while at the same time explaining to him that the school gets to make and enforce the rules, even if sometimes the operation of the rules can seem unreasonable. I'd even go so far as to say that when the school has been a bit out of line (which hasn't happened much) my son has learned as much if not more than he has when he's got it in the neck deservedly. In other words, as long as the school's behaviour isn't outrageously unfair, sometimes a teenager can learn a valuable character-forming life lesson from a situation like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭usersame


    Part if going to school in Ireland is being treated unfairly by teachers who over compensate with discipline


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 Bobby The Builder


    I am not considering legal advice, as per the charter (I don't think you can get legal advice here) I just thought it was the most appropriate forum, as AH would be full of sarcastic annoying answers which would p1ss me off even more. I am already seething with anger.

    I better pop a chill pill before even phoning the school tomorrow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    But (as you said) he did talk...

    What???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    I am not considering legal advice, as per the charter (I don't think you can get legal advice here) I just thought it was the most appropriate forum, as AH would be full of sarcastic annoying answers which would p1ss me off even more. I am already seething with anger.

    I better pop a chill pill before even phoning the school tomorrow.

    Go in as a raging bull and you will get no-where and come off looking like a complete pr*ck. Just be calm and polite when addressing the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Ironman76


    The teacher sounds like a bit of a weapon. I fn hated school because of how you could never reason with teachers over simple things. I remember once I was sent to the principals office for tying my fn shoelace.

    If you genuinely feel your son is being honest you should admire his stance on not apologising. Fair play to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Ironman76


    Go in as a raging bull and you will get no-where and come off looking like a complete pr*ck. Just be calm and polite when addressing the situation.

    Agreed, be the bigger person.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Rega wrote: »
    Bullying is repeated and habitual behaviour. The OP doesn't mention this happening before or any history of incidents with the girl in question so I can't see it being classed as bullying. Won't get too far poring over the school's anti bullying policy.

    AFAIK, to hit another person is assault! Age might be a factor, but to hit or hurt another person is wrong - simple as!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Middle Man wrote: »
    AFAIK, to hit another person is assault! Age might be a factor, but to hit or hurt another person is wrong - simple as!

    Was there any damage or hurt caused?

    Sorry, but that seems like the same excuse to shoot someone who throws popcorn at you in the cinema.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Ironman76 wrote: »
    Agreed, be the bigger person.

    ...and maybe get the son to write a statement on what happened. Then if you're happy with it, use it to back up your concerns when you contact the school.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 Bobby The Builder


    Was there any damage or hurt caused?

    Sorry, but that seems like the same excuse to shoot someone who throws popcorn at you in the cinema.

    What ?? are you actually for real??

    OK, shooting a person who throws popcorn at you is an overreaction. My situation is more akin to being booted out of the cinema for disturbing other audience when asking other person to stop throwing popcorn at me while the other person gets away with it.

    What an absolutely ridiculous post. (sorry if that counts as back-seat modding).

    I am off to kip now, I'll let you all know how things are tomorrow after my son goes to school tomorrow. I will pop into the secretary or principal and arrange an appointment for my son and I to talk with the principal and teacher.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    Was there any damage or hurt caused?

    Sorry, but that seems like the same excuse to shoot someone who throws popcorn at you in the cinema.

    ...well would you like it if someone fired elastic bands at your head???

    BTW, I missed the bit about guns - I thought we were talking about seemingly unfair discipline here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭vanessamee


    If I honestly came home from school and told my parents that I was disruptive in class for what ever the reason my parents would ave given me a shoe on d arse for giving the teacher reason to give out

    finished school ten years ago the times have changed greatly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    What ?? are you actually for real??

    OK, shooting a person who throws popcorn at you is an overreaction. My situation is more akin to being booted out of the cinema for disturbing other audience when asking other person to stop throwing popcorn at me while the other person gets away with it.

    What an absolutely ridiculous post. (sorry if that counts as back-seat modding).

    I am off to kip now, I'll let you all know how things are tomorrow after my son goes to school tomorrow. I will pop into the secretary or principal and arrange an appointment for my son and I to talk with the principal and teacher.

    Yep, that seems to be the best thing to do...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    What ?? are you actually for real??

    OK, shooting a person who throws popcorn at you is an overreaction. My situation is more akin to being booted out of the cinema for disturbing other audience when asking other person to stop throwing popcorn at me while the other person gets away with it.

    What an absolutely ridiculous post. (sorry if that counts as back-seat modding).

    I am off to kip now, I'll let you all know how things are tomorrow after my son goes to school tomorrow. I will pop into the secretary or principal and arrange an appointment for my son and I to talk with the principal and teacher.

    Yes I am for real, we only have one version of these events. We do not know if your son is entirely innocent or was there more to this story. Like the cinema description all we do not know if both parties were disturbing the film or not.
    At least you attacked the post not the person, think that's okay.
    Middle Man wrote: »
    ...well would you like it if someone fired elastic bands at your head???

    Yes, but I wouldnt go nuclear on it either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    OP, I've read your post and see that you are angry.

    I think that this problem may be one where a diplomatic solution might be best for all concerned.

    In other words, somebody needs to go and talk to the teacher and the principal. If that person if going to be you, don't go into a negotiation angry. You are more likely to say something that you might regret when you are angry. You might want to leave it lie a little while, until you have calmed down (I don't know how angry you are).

    As previously pointed out, you should make an appointment rather than just drop in.

    If you go and talk to the school authorities and cannot reach an amicable arrangement, and if school authorities suspend your son, maybe then check out other options, at that stage.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    vanessamee wrote: »
    If I honestly came home from school and told my parents that I was disruptive in class for what ever the reason my parents would ave given me a shoe on d arse for giving the teacher reason to give out

    finished school ten years ago the times have changed greatly.

    So the girl firing the elastic bands - that's OK and her victim has no right to protest???

    Am I missing something???


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    <snip>

    Yes, but I wouldnt go nuclear on it either.

    Well possible suspension for refusing to apologize for protesting against another student who was hitting him isn't OTT???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭BQQ


    I was in a similar situation when I was in school.
    Teacher wouldn't have me back until I apologised. I refused to do it, so I basically had detention for her class.
    That was only allowed to continue for a short time as they didn't have anyone willing to supervise me and obviously I was missing a lot of classes in a leaving cert year.

    I was told I would be suspended if I didn't apologise.
    I got the impression the principal didn't want to do it, but my stubbornness was backing him into a corner.
    Some time had passed by then and I had calmed down and I could see that some minor incident was spiralling out of control.
    Thing we're getting worse and worse for me, so I had to change my approach.
    I gave a mealy mouthed half apology and my problems disappeared.

    Painful as it might be, I think your son is going to have to swallow this for his own good. The teacher will not back down or any authority she has will be gone.


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