ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II Under Performing

AnIrishMan

Item Type
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570 (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard ASUS® P8H77-M: M-ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0Gb/s, CrossFireX™
Memory (RAM) 8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)
Graphics Card ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II
Memory 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE
Power Supply 450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Processor Cooling INTEL SOCKET LGA1155 STANDARD CPU COOLER
Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1

Recently i added the gtx 770 to the mix and ive noticed that i cant run games that i could on my previous gtx 560. In games the settings doesnt seem to be affecting the frame rate no matter the setting i cant run certain games. Any help?

AnIrishMan

Even in valve games like Counter Strike GO my frame rate maxes at 120 and drops to 10 quite rapidly.

yawhat!

Uninstall and reinstall the drivers from the nvidia site.

AnIrishMan

Just finished the reinstall and still the same problem any other ideas?

SterlingArcher

AnIrishMan wrote: »

Just finished the reinstall and still the same problem any other ideas?

Nvidia system monitoring.

AnIrishMan

Im faily new to this so what is Nvidia System Monitoring?

SterlingArcher

Free software that will monitor your Gpu. Go to nvidia.com look it up.

AnIrishMan

I downloaded that but how is it supposed to help my problem? I don't understand...

EoinHef

Play a few games and monitor the gpu, check things like max temp, gpu usage, max core clock speed etc and see if all that is within normal ranges for you card.

As an example If the card gets too hot it will throttle and reduce the core clock speed to help protect the card from damage, which would also have the effect of you getting reduced framerates etc. So if max temp was too high that would be your problem

One of these readings could help identify the problem, so while it wont solve the problem it can be a useful tool to identify the problem

AnIrishMan

Well I think Ive located the problem. The CPU temperature is very high and I know that I have a very bad fan for it so could that be the source of my problems?

eoin91

AnIrishMan wrote: »

Well I think Ive located the problem. The CPU temperature is very high and I know that I have a very bad fan for it so could that be the source of my problems?

What temps are you exactly seeing on the CPU? Can't say if the CPU is the problem without knowing the exact details.

Also if you are using the same CPU and heatsink since the 560, then that should be no reason to effect the 770 if it did not effect the 560.

AnIrishMan

I'm not sure about my temperatures on the 560 but on average I get around 100 degrees Celsius on the 770.

game4it70

Thats way to hot :eek:

Are the fans even spinning?

AnIrishMan

yeah they are but i don't have the full 6 because I need like a extender so I can plug in more fans I currently have 3 including the motherboard fan working out of the 6.

game4it70

If the graphics card's fans are spinning there must be a massive amount of heat in your case.
Take the side panel off to see it the temps drop.

What programs are you using to get the temp readings?

AnIrishMan

I Was using different games like minecraft, counter strike GO and skyrim and through out them all the temp stayed between 95 and 102 celsius on average 97

game4it70

What program is telling you what the temps are?

Did you try without the case side panel to see if temps drop?

AnIrishMan

I Used minecraft counter strike GO and skyrim and they all were in high 90s low 100s

EoinHef

Nvidia system monitor was the program he was advised to use, not familiar with it myself.

I hold off playing anymore games man till you sort this out, if the temps are that high you can damage your card.

eoin91

eoin91 wrote: »

What temps are you exactly seeing on the CPU? Can't say if the CPU is the problem without knowing the exact details.

Also if you are using the same CPU and heatsink since the 560, then that should be no reason to effect the 770 if it did not effect the 560.

AnIrishMan wrote: »

I'm not sure about my temperatures on the 560 but on average I get around 100 degrees Celsius on the 770.

Just to make sure, I was asking about CPU temps, but the temps that you are putting up are GPU temps?

If that is GPU temps, have you attempted to overclock the GPU or adjusted the fan profile of the card? Those temps are way to high for a normal card if you have not changed something then it points to something been wrong with the card and I'd say return it. As far as I know, Nvidia Boost 2 will auto adjust the cards voltage to keep the card at a max of 80c so 100c is way to high.

SterlingArcher

Not cool. Think he mentioned a bad fan. Which in any case is going to cause problems. Where did you buy this? Me thinks a return.

AnIrishMan

I bought it on pc specialist and yes it was CPU temps not GPU I meant that the CPU risen since i put the 770 in

EoinHef

Can you post up a screenshot of the monitoring program your using just so we can see what sort of temps your getting on the whole system?

dwighet

What cpu cooler do you have...???
Did you install it yourself???

AnIrishMan

Temps.png I hope this works xD. yeah I just put up all the settings from GPU and the CPU

EoinHef

It worked man and from what I can see there your cpu temp is definitely way too high. Ideally you would not want to go above 80-85C.

You should take the processor out and reseat the cooler, it must have got moved when you put in the new gpu. Ideally I wouldnt be using the pc till that is done, you could damage the cpu if it keeps running at those temps

AnIrishMan

it runs at 80 when im not playing games but ill keep an eye on it. I cant do that but I'll ask someone if they can do it also i need to get some of my extra fans working on my pc. Between ordering a fan extender and trying to find someone to do this do you think it would be a good idea to my old grafix card in because i feel the 770 could be stressing the CPU? (I'm able to change grafix cards myself)

EoinHef

80-85C would be a temperature that I would not want to run the cpu at for any extended period of time, your max temp playing games should only really be around 60C and at idle 30C so your really risking doing damage at those temperatures.

Appreciate its a pain but buying a new cpu would be worse

What cpu cooler are you using? Did it come with the cpu?

Also the graphics card would not cause the issue, id say something may just have got a bump when it went in


EDIT: Sorry I see from your first post it is the stock cooler, can you take a pic of the pc with the side panel off and post it?

Also can you see the fan on the cooler spinning?

AnIrishMan

Oh I Just read over the start too and realised i put the wrong case down i have a zalman Z11 plus.. Yes ill be able to take a picture of it

5uspect

There appears to be a lot of confusion on the OP's part. The silicon chips in your PC that do all the number crunching, be it the CPU or the GPU, will get hot as they consume power. These therefore all need heat sinks clamped onto them. The heat has to pass efficiently through the silicon package, the heat spreader and into the heat sink where there is enough material to dissipate it or on into the air where the fans blow it away.

Before you get to the air you need to ensure that there is good contact between your CPU's heat spreader and the heat sink. This shouldn't be an issue with the graphics card because the vapour chamber heat sink comes already mounted. When you build your PC you usually have to seat the CPU yourself and mount the heat sink. Usually you need to deposit a thin layer of thermal paste on the heat spreader to ensure even contact, sometimes with stock coolers a layer is already applied to the baseplate of the heat sink.

Anyway a problem with many stock coolers is the clamping mechanism. They use plastic pushpins which can easily break reducing the clamping force needed for good heat transfer. Many fancy coolers have metal plates that you screw on tightly, this makes them much better.

So in terms of temperatures you should be seeing around 30 to 40C for each core under idle load. Under load you should be around 60 to 80C. 100C is dangerously high. GPUs can run a little hotter sometimes but never over 100C.

So forget about case fans, they make little or no difference in the grand scheme of things. It's all about the thermal resistance path from silicon to the heat sink. If your GPU is running hot then it's dodgy and see about sending it back since the card in an integrated unit. If the CPU is hot you need to inspect your heat sink installation.

TerrorFirmer

Probably as simple as just a bad heatsink mounting. GPU temps seem fine, CPU temps are extremely bad, and indicative of bad cooler mounting. Intel CPU should never rise beyond the 60's at worst, even with the basic stock cooler.

dwighet

Id say the pins cpu heat sink pins arent pushed in all the way....They need a good a good bit of welly to get them in right..
Thats if its a stock cooler.
It would make it easier if he would tell us what cooler he has..

stevenmu

AnIrishMan wrote: »

yeah they are but i don't have the full 6 because I need like a extender so I can plug in more fans I currently have 3 including the motherboard fan working out of the 6.

It would help too if you could list out what fans you have and which are working and which are not (or pics would be even better again).

There should be 1 on the CPU, this one is critical and has to be constantly running when the PC is turned on. There may also be 1 on the motherboard, I don't know if this is what you refer to above or if you meant the one on the CPU. Your GPU should have 1 or 2 (possibly 3), they seem to be ok, your GPU temps look fine. And there's possibly a couple of case fans, as above these aren't hugely important, they would only make a difference of a few degrees.

AnIrishMan

I think ive fixed it the processor fan was hanging off and today i bought some new push pins and already my temps have dropped to 50 degrees i hope its fixed ill play some games and see if it was the problem

EoinHef

50C gaming or 50C when just watching videos etc etc?

AnIrishMan

Well i had 55 now that im trying to play games its 60s 70s

SterlingArcher

Under load sounds about right. How is the frame drops?

AnIrishMan

Well frames are better but i played minecraft for a hour just there and the temps just kept rising till i had to turn it off.. So i dont know if its fixed.. Is there a way i can increase my CPU fan speed?

eoin91

AnIrishMan wrote: »

Well i had 55 now that im trying to play games its 60s 70s

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Under load sounds about right. How is the frame drops?

I would not say 60/70c is alright, as games such as minecraft should not be putting an i5 under that much load. And in your last post you said after an hour it is rising very high so im guessing higher then 70c. There are a few things this could be, a bad heatsink mount, too much thermal paste thus not allowing heat to transfer to the heatsink or maybe the stock cooler is just not adequate.

I'd say the best thing to do is start from fresh with the heatsink. Take off the heatsink and fan completely.Clean off the thermal paste from top of the CPU and the bottom of the heatsink. Use some rubbing alcohol or something similar to get rid of it all. Re apply the new thermal paste, not to much just a pea sized piece and then mount the heatsink back on.

Fan speeds should auto adjust as the temperature increases but if you want to adjust them yourself you can download the software for your motherboard here. Choose your OS then go to utilities and choose the second one down (the big list of things). What you need is the ASUS AI Suite II which when installed will allow you to monitor and adjust fan speeds for your CPU fan.

If this still isn't enough then maybe the stock heatsink just isn't adequate and you'll need to buy a new one which would be about 20-25euro for a decent one.

AnIrishMan

Well iv'e decided to buy a new heat sink but i have no idea what to look for any ideas?

yawhat!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-120mm/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390509814&sr=8-1&keywords=212+evo

AnIrishMan

Any other suggestions because i want to have a few options and know which is the best rather than rush into one

yawhat!

You mighn't even need one. Have you removed the stock and check thermal paste?

5uspect

Agreed, mount the stock cooler correctly first.

I have one of these, lovely cooler.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B002VKVZ1A

eoin91

I've built a few computers and have always used the cooler master heatsinks. Used the 212 evo mostly but have the 412s in my current build. Both are very good choices with good heat dissipation and low noise.

The Noctua coolers are very very good, but whether they are worth the ectra money I wouldn't be to sure when the cheaper cooler master heatsinks have always been enough for me.

AnIrishMan

Well where can i get thermo paste?

marco_polo

AnIrishMan wrote: »

Well where can i get thermo paste?

You can probably pick some up in Maplin or PCWorld if in a hurry, but it will be a bit dearer than ordering online.

AnIrishMan

Yeah id have to buy it online there's no computer shops in Wexford xD

marco_polo

AnIrishMan wrote: »

Yeah id have to buy it online there's no computer shops in Wexford xD

MemoryC would have it to you within 2-3 days at most, I'd pick up a tube of the MX-2 4g. (Postage is another €1.60)

http://www.memoryc.ie/products/type/PC_Components/Cooling_Products/index.html?Product+type=Thermal+Compound

eoin91

With postage you might spend a 10euro on thermal paste, here is a link here. If the problem is the mounting of the heatsink and the need for new thermal paste that is better applied (ie not over applied) this will do it. just make sure to clean the heatsink well of all the old thermal paste before applying the new stuff.

If you bought a new heatsink you would get thermal paste with it, which would be about 30euro (Cooler Master 212 Evo) and would give better cooling performance then the stock intel heatsink ever could. So it's up to you which route you take here.

AnIrishMan

My Brother told me to just buy the new cooler instead of waiting a week for the paste and maybe another for the cooler. So im set on the evo but is it compatable with my cpu and motherboard? (Maybe not two weeks but you get the point)