new agri scheme announced

vanderbadger

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/glas-scheme-to-be-the-new-reps-for-50-000-irish-farmers-153612/

locky76

vanderbadger wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/glas-scheme-to-be-the-new-reps-for-50-000-irish-farmers-153612/

great stuff, at 37 I see I'll still be a young farmer for another 3 years :-)...

epfff

locky76 wrote: »

great stuff, at 37 I see I'll still be a young farmer for another 3 years :-)...

No bleddy installation scheme
I'm 33
My mother farms on paper
do I wait until 15 to take over farm or just do it straight away

darragh_haven

Its hard to know what will be involved in the GLAS.......

paddysdream

Approximation is in so.No mention of coupling thank god.

paddysdream

epfff wrote: »

No bleddy installation scheme
I'm 33
My mother farms on paper
do I wait until 15 to take over farm or just do it straight away

Does it really matter? As far as I am aware you get the top up until you are forty regardless of when you started farming ie if you are 37 in 2015 then 3 years top up but if 35 or under in 2015 then 5 years top up of 64 per hectare.

Fair enough as in its based on national average and not on the existing payment on the farm which in many cases was not built up by the young farmer but his parents so every young farmer gets the same regardless(assuming they have the full 50 hectares to claim on)

HillFarmer

paddysdream wrote: »

Does it really matter? As far as I am aware you get the top up until you are forty regardless of when you started farming ie if you are 37 in 2015 then 3 years top up but if 35 or under in 2015 then 5 years top up of 64 per hectare.

Fair enough as in its based on national average and not on the existing payment on the farm which in many cases was not built up by the young farmer but his parents so every young farmer gets the same regardless(assuming they have the full 50 hectares to claim on)

But is there conditions, ie have to have started farming in the last 3 years, or trained farmer is completed the Cert etc...?

Bodacious

bring on the GLAS! And the E80 per suckled calf and 35 with agriculture degree so the top up is nice too!


I must look into building a shed also but would have to look into ins and outs of the grant/ outside contractor for 100% of the job etc

vanderbadger

Bodacious wrote: »

bring on the GLAS! And the E80 per suckled calf and 35 with agriculture degree so the top up is nice too!


I must look into building a shed also but would have to look into ins and outs of the grant/ outside contractor for 100% of the job etc

im pricing a shed at the moment or an extension to a current shed, didnt expect to see building grants ever again, dont know now whether to go or hold

just do it

So €1.9b national funds and €2.2b EU funds. That's 46.3%. Coveney has done well.

just do it

vanderbadger wrote: »

im pricing a shed at the moment or an extension to a current shed, didnt expect to see building grants ever again, dont know now whether to go or hold

Fine for you young farmer, I object to bring considered an old farmer

A cow called Daisy

As with all these schemes the devil will probably be in the detail. There were several around here looking forward to the AEOS scheme when it was first announced only to be disappointed when they checked out the full details

vanderbadger

just do it wrote: »

Fine for you young farmer, I object to bring considered an old farmer

fuppin hell, i had you down as a young lad JD

moy83

Will the GLAS be paid on top of exising aeos schemes I wonder?

paddysdream

HillFarmer wrote: »

But is there conditions, ie have to have started farming in the last 3 years, or trained farmer is completed the Cert etc...?

Am fairly sure you will need the green cert(or whatever its called now) at a minimum.

keep going

Based on that article I dont think theres much good news for me as the top up islikely to put me at a competitive disadvantage and theglas scheme is likely to slow down land coming to the market for renting speaking as a 44 year old who farms 75% rented land.any detail on rented entitlements

Milton09

moy83 wrote: »

Will the GLAS be paid on top of exising aeos schemes I wonder?

It was rumored at the last round of AEOS that you could transfer over to any new scheme that would be introduced - I'm hoping thats true

donegal11

Milton09 wrote: »

It was rumored at the last round of AEOS that you could transfer over to any new scheme that would be introduced - I'm hoping thats true

You might receive no extra payment in the new scheme as we don't know the detail and of course planners would want there cut too.

The farmers journal is going to worth it's money this week anyway

king_of_inismac

I'm am 32 year old part-time farmer working (i.e. helping out evenings and weekends) with my father (the farm is still in his name).

I was considering investing in the upgrading of some of the farm buildings (before this scheme was announced). What would I need to do to qualify for such a grant?

just do it

king_of_inismac wrote: »

I'm am 32 year old part-time farmer working (i.e. helping out evenings and weekends) with my father (the farm is still in his name).

I was considering investing in the upgrading of some of the farm buildings (before this scheme was announced). What would I need to do to qualify for such a grant?

Wait until the details come out. At min you'llprobablyneed a green cert

moy83

Milton09 wrote: »

It was rumored at the last round of AEOS that you could transfer over to any new scheme that would be introduced - I'm hoping thats true

Is the AEOS not up to 5k aswell ? This one will have a top up of 2k for lads in NAC areas but I'd wager the criteriea will be more demanding than the aeos .
It will be interesting to see what the new scheme will be like . I thought the aeos was handy money without too many rules .

Milton09

moy83 wrote: »

. I thought the aeos was handy money without too many rules .

It possibly is for some people , due to dispersed land parcels its not really suiting me at the moment. Considered withdrawing but held on in case it would help getting into new scheme.

moy83

Milton09 wrote: »

It possibly is for some people , due to dispersed land parcels its not really suiting me at the moment. Considered withdrawing but held on in case it would help getting into new scheme.

It might be tailored to suit whoever the aeos doesnt suit hopefully .

Conmaicne Mara

Will wait to see the details, thought the money mentioned was quite disappointing.

moy83

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Will wait to see the details, thought the money mentioned was quite disappointing.

The 5k max is a let down for lads coming out of reps that were getting nearly double that .
It would be good if you could run the two schemes together and get the 10k out of both but thats just dreaming now

darragh_haven

My OH is from non farming background and I was explaining some of this to her. And I was bemoaning that the money wasn't enough. She looked at me with a raised eyebrow. ..... said "getting money fir doing fcuk all, and yoir complaining"
It shows the attitude out side of farming to this money

hugo29

the building grant is interesting as have to do a bit of shed work too

GLAS payment is better than nothing

RobinBanks

God I hope I can get into this scheme. Took over the farm last year and sheds are in need of major surgery. Roofs about to collapse and leaking left right and centre. I cant bloody use some of them anymore

bob charles

looks like another reward for land ownership scheme

vanderbadger

RobinBanks wrote: »

God I hope I can get into this scheme. Took over the farm last year and sheds are in need of major surgery. Roofs about to collapse and leaking left right and centre. I cant bloody use some of them anymore

trouble is if ones takes grant they will have to put up shed dept want as as opposed to what might be needed

hugo29

vanderbadger wrote: »

trouble is if ones takes grant they will have to put up shed dept want as as opposed to what might be needed

yea and probably be a ridiculously high specification again too that will drive costs up, galvanised steel everywhere and more rebar than concrete

Viewtodiefor

darragh_haven wrote: »

My OH is from non farming background and I was explaining some of this to her. And I was bemoaning that the money wasn't enough. She looked at me with a raised eyebrow. ..... said "getting money fir doing fcuk all, and yoir complaining"
It shows the attitude out side of farming to this money

Yeah and thing is she is right! Even the SPF can be collected each year for doing little or next to little if we wanted to.

sheebadog

darragh_haven wrote: »

My OH is from non farming background and I was explaining some of this to her. And I was bemoaning that the money wasn't enough. She looked at me with a raised eyebrow. ..... said "getting money fir doing fcuk all, and yoir complaining"
It shows the attitude out side of farming to this money

TBF she has a point!

darragh_haven

sheebadog wrote: »

TBF she has a point!

That's it, I wasn't disagreeing with her. It just made me stop complaining and made me see what's on offer and if I can get it.

Pharaoh1

A cow called Daisy wrote: »

As with all these schemes the devil will probably be in the detail. There were several around here looking forward to the AEOS scheme when it was first announced only to be disappointed when they checked out the full details

Just listening to Simon Coveney on Newstalk this morning I get the impression that the GLAS will be more like AEOS than REPS.
It will be specific payments for doing specific measures and I reckon the payment will just about compensate for doing the measure or foregoing doing something.
To be fair the REPS scheme was money for jam. The first years payment (which you got on joining - remember that) for me covered all the stuff I needed to do , tidying up, hedge planting, gates etc.. and I had the other four years money effectively for free.
OK I had to do the bit of paperwork and the course but I never was audited.

AEOS was completely different - in my case I would have spent just about all the money I got on doing stuff and decided not to join.
This is probably not the way to look at it as I would probably have more nice hedging now had I joined but I didn't really want to do work effectively for free.

Conmaicne Mara

I'm, as usual, going to be the black sheep of the family here and disagree with Darraghs wife. As far as I saw REPS it was, that lovely word, compensation for loss of use of lands i.e. designated SAC, NHA, SPA etc. and for things like commonage framework plans. AEOS was a watered down version of REPS and I doubt Coveney will thicken it up in Glas given his first statement on Pillar 2 payments was farmers had to be weaned off these type payments.

I farm 90 hectares of mostly commonage yet am only allowed 40 sheep. In so far as I read this, I will still be denied the use of my own owned lands without any compensatory measures. Yet the same schemes will be available to farmers who have full use of their own owned lands. I did no damage to any of these lands, the people who did actually got compensation, where as the responsible farmers like myself got told to **** off.

There are more farmers than me in this position, of being denied the opportunity to make an income for themselves with their own property. Everyone else has a right to it, environmentalists, walkers, dog walkers, tourists, local business etc, but not the actual owners.

Given the limited detail of the press release I don't think I will be in any hurry to jump from AEOS1 into GLAS.

Payments for farmers in Areas of Natural Constraints I am assuming (always a dangerous thing to do) will simply be another name for DAS at the cut back levels?

Agree with the building grant, will likely be high spec and maybe lads should read the cost of efficiency thread?

Young farmer I suspect will need a green cert?

Can't see AEOS and GLAS being paid together, there's some rule about not being paid twice to do the same thing. Will likely be an option to jump from AEOS into GLAS.

IFA is after sending me a cheery text that their campaign has delivered.

delaval

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Will wait to see the details, thought the money mentioned was quite disappointing.

Can I go from REPS to new scheme, does anyone know?

vanderbadger

when will this scheme kick in, 2015?

Conmaicne Mara

delaval wrote: »

Can I go from REPS to new scheme, does anyone know?

Would you want to would be my first question

Don't know for sure, very little detail around the grapevine in these parts this morning yet.

I did hear talk about jumping from AEOS to the new scheme so I'd be surprised if that wasn't included, but can't answer your REPS question

Call that lad mentioned in the PM's last year?

hugo29

delaval wrote: »

Can I go from REPS to new scheme, does anyone know?

dont know but my gut feeling would be that you will have to complete one scheme before transferring into another, cant recall exactly but is there not a clause in reps that you cannot exit before end of term without incurring penalty,

delaval

I only have a few months left. Free money is always welcome, that what reps was anyway

RobertKK

The IFA will say they delivered whatever the outcome.

Suspect the red tape will save the government a lot of money, the new Glas scheme just another name for a bad Aeos scheme.
The under 40 top up payment likely for those who have taken over a farm within the past five years.

I think when the details are delivered it won't be anything special.

Areas of natural constraint - renaming for the sake of it, hope it doesn't mean less money too.


All the IFA were concerned with in my opinion was the SFP, and protecting people on higher payments who farmed premiums and need more money to farm than those who manage to farm with less SFP money, and people with less couldn't be getting more...
I think it was one reason turn out for the election was well down and this is not going to change anything.
The government are dependent on agriculture to deliver so I think where the money goes was the issue more than anything else with what was announced, I don't believe the IFA got any extra money, maybe just influenced where it goes.

hugo29

vanderbadger wrote: »

when will this scheme kick in, 2015?

you are probaby right Van, apply this year commence next year

delaval wrote: »

I only have a few months left. Free money is always welcome, that what reps was anyway

I am the same, official finish in dec 13 but there is that 3 month roll over period until end march, I would welcome Glas, anything that gives you money for improving

RobertKK

When I finished REPs, I applied for Aeos - I was out of REPS just as the REPS scheme ended, applied for Aeos, then rang Johnstown castle to cancel my application as I decided it was too much work for very little return.
Doing things that weren't needed.

Conmaicne Mara

RobertKK wrote: »

When I finished REPs, I applied for Aeos - I was out of REPS just as the REPS scheme ended, applied for Aeos, then rang Johnstown castle to cancel my application as I decided it was too much work for very little return.
Doing things that weren't needed.

Talking to a few lads here this morning the opinion is that a lot won't be going for Glas, but again, very little detail out yet. If I could do my own thing without being in it I think I might chance bailing out myself.

bbam

Being 41 with no green cert, I take it there's nothing in this for me ??

Haven't had time to read any releases yet??

Conmaicne Mara

bbam wrote: »

Being 41 with no green cert, I take it there's nothing in this for me ??

Haven't had time to read any releases yet??

• the full 2% of the national ceiling will be allocated to young farmers, providing for a 25% ‘top-up’ on direct payments on up to 50 hectares for farmers under 40 years of age (worth more than €16,000 over the period where payment is made on the maximum area for the full five years of the scheme),

• additional, educational criteria will ensure payments are made to genuine young farmers,

I must not be a genuine farmer if I don't have a green cert, have to be under 40, just out of luck there bbam.

Conmaicne Mara

delaval wrote: »

I only have a few months left.

You'll be out of REPS so and free to join any scheme I imagine? Don't think this will come in before 2015 and knowing the way things are done I don't see it being open 1 Jan, 2015

jimmy2pens

RobertKK wrote: »

The under 40 top up payment likely for those who have taken over a farm within the past five years.


For those of us that were screwed out of the installation aid at short notice and are now hitting 40:mad: And probably by the time this is all sorted out will be over 40 and no longer a "young farmer".

Conmaicne Mara

There was also talk of "when" a farmer had started farming in their own right. I don't know if that will still apply, but the time mentioned was you would have had to be within 5 years of starting farming in your own right, as well as being under 40, and green cert.

nashmach

Lots of detail needed on these proposals so we are only speculating at the moment.

In AEOS 2, here at the moment and seriously questioning it over the past few years but entered with the thoughts that it may make 2015 easier. Will GLAS also assist with complying with greening??

60% on sheds is fine as long as it doesn't lead to hyperinflation like last time and again how many will it actually apply to and be overkill too.

Young farmers remains to be seen - I'm very cagey on this to be honest as we don't know the requirements yet and also the takeup will be low if past performance is anything to go by.