From 10 1/2 stone to 8 1/2 by june

Bubblegumcandy

I am a 15 year old girl, I'm 5 ft 11 and I weigh 10 stone 4. I want to be a jockey so badly so I NEED to lose 2 stone by June! That's when the racing starts and tips on how I can do it healthily? I'm doing my junior certificate and can't afford to do any crash diets! I have a treadmill and do a tone of horse riding! Is it possible for me to lose 2 stone by June? Thanks

biZrb

If you drop to 8 stone, you will be underweight for your height. No-one in this forum is going to give you advice on how to get to that weight.
Concentrate on your exams instead of trying to reach an unhealthy weight.

Gringo180

Junior Cert so your what about 15 years old?? Your quite tall as it is and will only continue to grow in the next few years. Maybe becoming a jockey just isnt for you unfortunately.

Bubblegumcandy

biZrb wrote: »

If you drop to 8 stone, you will be underweight for your height. No-one in this forum is going to give you advice on how to get to that weight.
Concentrate on your exams instead of trying to reach an unhealthy weight.

My cousins that weight and she's the same height as me and she's completely healthy by the doctor anyways, I'm going to go to a nutritionalist, being a jockey is what I'm supposed to do

Bubblegumcandy

Gringo180 wrote: »

Junior Cert so your what about 15 years old?? Your quite tall as it is and will only continue to grow in the next few years. Maybe becoming a jockey just isnt for you unfortunately.

I know I'm tall but I do have quite a big belly and thighs, I I lost the fat in them I'd nearly be there, being a jockey is certainly for me, thanks for relying

Gringo180

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

I know I'm tall but I do have quite a big belly and thighs, I I lost the fat in them I'd nearly be there, being a jockey is certainly for me, thanks for relying

No bother best of luck with it.

Mellor

Gringo180 wrote: »

No bother best of luck with it.

At 5'11" and still growing I'd say you are too tall to be a racing jockey. It's not impossible if you've a slight build but the odds are stacked against you.

Oryx

The people you train with (horseriding). Have you talked to them about your height and weight issues?

ted1

I'm sure you know that there's different types of jockey at 8 stone and just under 6 feet you won't be carrying much strength compared to other jockeys.

You should talk to those in the business, and see which type of jockey would suit you best

Tiddlypeeps

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

My cousins that weight and she's the same height as me and she's completely healthy by the doctor anyways, I'm going to go to a nutritionalist, being a jockey is what I'm supposed to do

I'd recommend seeing a dietician instead of a nutritionist. Or if you do see a nutritionist make sure they call themselves a clinical nutritionist. Both are protected terms in Ireland, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist and there are a lot of chancers out there with little to no formal qualifications.

Just ask them if they are accredited by the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute (INDI).

You can find a list on their website www.indi.ie/

Best of luck.

Bubblegumcandy

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I'd recommend seeing a dietician instead of a nutritionist. Or if you do see a nutritionist make sure they call themselves a clinical nutritionist. Both are protected terms in Ireland, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist and there are a lot of chancers out there with little to no formal qualifications.

Just ask them if they are accredited by the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute (INDI).

You can find a list on their website www.indi.ie/

Best of luck.

Thank you 😊 my mom knows a dietician so I'm going to her in a few days time 😊

Bubblegumcandy

ted1 wrote: »

I'm sure you know that there's different types of jockey at 8 stone and just under 6 feet you won't be carrying much strength compared to other jockeys.

You should talk to those in the business, and see which type of jockey would suit you best

My brother is a jockey, he's 6 ft, he is also 9 1/2 stone and has muscle exactly where he needs it. My parents know Joseph o'brien , I'm going to talk to him

Bubblegumcandy

Oryx wrote: »

The people you train with (horseriding). Have you talked to them about your height and weight issues?

Yeah, my brother who is a jockey and is 6 ft says I can definitely, others considered me as a really fast learner with the racehorses and my whole family are 100% behind me, I talked to my mom about it so I'm going to see a dietician

Bubblegumcandy

By the way I don't want to be a flat jockey, I want to do national hunt(jumping)

huskerdu

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

I am a 15 year old girl, I'm 5 ft 11 and I weigh 10 stone 4. I want to be a jockey so badly so I NEED to lose 2 stone by June! That's when the racing starts and tips on how I can do it healthily? I'm doing my junior certificate and can't afford to do any crash diets! I have a treadmill and do a tone of horse riding! Is it possible for me to lose 2 stone by June? Thanks

NO.

Your current BMI is 21 which is healthy. At 8 st, your BMI would be 16 which is dangerously underweight.

Eat healthily, dont over eat and concentrate on life. You have many years ahead of you to be a jockey.

the groutch

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

By the way I don't want to be a flat jockey, I want to do national hunt(jumping)

putting on my Horse Racing forum hat for a minute

NH minimum weight is 9st10, and that's very few horses, the majority of NH is in the 10st7 to 12st range (including saddle etc), so you would have very little weight, if any to lose.

RidleyRider

Christ there's a lot of people here looking to dash someone's dreams. Yeah the odds are stacked against her if she did want to be a racing jockey but nobody got anywhere by not trying.

mdwexford

You aren't going to be a professional jockey, sorry.

Mellor

RidleyRider wrote: »

Christ there's a lot of people here looking to dash someone's dreams. Yeah the odds are stacked against her if she did want to be a racing jockey but nobody got anywhere by not trying.

I think you are missing the point. It's not just about the odds being stacked against her.
This isn't an life goal, or a personal achievement she is talking about a career. Even if she puts in 100% effort, and trains better than any other jockey in the world (neither of which will happen), there's a very real chance that she will still be unemployable at the end.

The issues were pointed out and she was told to speak to people professionally involved in the industry. They are far more qualified to comment than anybody here.

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

My brother is a jockey, he's 6 ft, he is also 9 1/2 stone and has muscle exactly where he needs it. My parents know Joseph O'Brien , I'm going to talk to him

What level does your brother ride at? There's not many guys taller than O'Brien at the top level.
Are you as strong as your brother?

They have been some big jockeys in the past, but they are usually the exception. Tony McCoy is 5'10. Joseph O'Brien is 5'11", and about 9 stone. But these are two of the best guys in the business, ans not an example for anyone.

Getting down to to a suitable weight is only a tiny part of the issues ahead of you.

Bubblegumcandy

RidleyRider wrote: »

Christ there's a lot of people here looking to dash someone's dreams. Yeah the odds are stacked against her if she did want to be a racing jockey but nobody got anywhere by not trying.

Thank you! Finally! Someone who gets it! Thank you! I do realise the odds will be against me but I'm not a quitter!

Bubblegumcandy

Mellor wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. It's not just about the odds being stacked against her.
This isn't an life goal, or a personal achievement she is talking about a career. Even if she puts in 100% effort, and trains better than any other jockey in the world (neither of which will happen), there's a very real chance that she will still be unemployable at the end.

The issues were pointed out and she was told to speak to people professionally involved in the industry. They are far more qualified to comment than anybody here.


What level does your brother ride at? There's not many guys taller than O'Brien at the top level.
Are you as strong as your brother?

They have been some big jockeys in the past, but they are usually the exception. Tony McCoy is 5'10. Joseph O'Brien is 5'11", and about 9 stone. But these are two of the best guys in the business, ans not an example for anyone.

Getting down to to a suitable weight is only a tiny part of the issues ahead of you.

Well joseph o'brien and ap McCoy also had to start from the beging, are my wrong?

Bubblegumcandy

Mellor wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. It's not just about the odds being stacked against her.
This isn't an life goal, or a personal achievement she is talking about a career. Even if she puts in 100% effort, and trains better than any other jockey in the world (neither of which will happen), there's a very real chance that she will still be unemployable at the end.
Show do you know how hard in
The issues were pointed out and she was told to speak to people professionally involved in the industry. They are far more qualified to comment than anybody here.


What level does your brother ride at? There's not many guys taller than O'Brien at the top level.
Are you as strong as your brother?

They have been some big jockeys in the past, but they are usually the exception. Tony McCoy is 5'10. Joseph O'Brien is 5'11", and about 9 stone. But these are two of the best guys in the business, ans not an example for anyone.

Getting down to to a suitable weight is only a tiny part of the issues ahead of you.

How do you know how hard I'm training? In getting up at 6 am every morning just to ride all my horses before school then before I go to bed I run 10k! And I'm dieting, so to be honest I don't think your one to be saying I won't and never will work as hard as them, and I will be employed at the end, thank you very much

Bubblegumcandy

the groutch wrote: »

putting on my Horse Racing forum hat for a minute

NH minimum weight is 9st10, and that's very few horses, the majority of NH is in the 10st7 to 12st range (including saddle etc), so you would have very little weight, if any to lose.

Thank you

Mellor

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

How do you know how hard I'm training? In getting up at 6 am every morning just to ride all my horses before school then before I go to bed I run 10k! And I'm dieting, so to be honest I don't think your one to be saying I won't and never will work as hard as them, and I will be employed at the end, thank you very much

I'm sure you are training at hard as you possibly can, I wasn't trying to say you weren't working hard, but by best jockeys in the world in talking about a handful of full time professional jockeys who don't have to worry about school or the like.

I noticed you ignored my question about are you as strong as your brother?

As I pointed out, you aren't a whole lot heavier than McCoy. And as another poster said you'll be within the range of NH weights. But two important things to remember;
McCoy has stopped growing, you haven't.
The closer you are to the top end of the weight, you'll limit the horses you can ride. Typically, heavier weight = better horse = better jockey. So being heavier, the standard to make it is higher.

Im not out to put you off your dream. As I said above. Talk to a professional. They could probably tell you within a very short amount of time if you can do it. By all means go for it, if it's possible im sure you'll make it.

Bubblegumcandy

Mellor wrote: »

I'm sure you are training at hard as you possibly can, I wasn't trying to say you weren't working hard, but by best jockeys in the world in talking about a handful of full time professional jockeys who don't have to worry about school or the like.

I noticed you ignored my question about are you as strong as your brother?

As I pointed out, you aren't a whole lot heavier than McCoy. And as another poster said you'll be within the range of NH weights. But two important things to remember;
McCoy has stopped growing, you haven't.
The closer you are to the top end of the weight, you'll limit the horses you can ride. Typically, heavier weight = better horse = better jockey. So being heavier, the standard to make it is higher.

Im not out to put you off your dream. As I said above. Talk to a professional. They could probably tell you within a very short amount of time if you can do it. By all means go for it, if it's possible im sure you'll make it.

I am the same as my brother, and thank you

runawaybishop

Mellor wrote: »

At 5'11" and still growing I'd say you are too tall to be a racing jockey. It's not impossible if you've a slight build but the odds are stacked against you.

She'll be grand for jumps, on the tall side but not at all unworkable.

OP: 10 and a half stone isn't an unreasonable weight, why are you pushing for 8 and a half? You'd be better spent working on your strength and fitness and eating healthily than just trying to cut weight. Being 8.5 stone but not having the strength to last isn't goign to do you any favours.

TimeToShine

RidleyRider wrote: »

Christ there's a lot of people here looking to dash someone's dreams. Yeah the odds are stacked against her if she did want to be a racing jockey but nobody got anywhere by not trying.

Are you kidding? She's 15, and wants to weigh in at ~54kg at 5'11''. There's trying then there's downright being an idiot.

OP you probably are not going to make it as a jockey. Sorry. If you try, then at least aim for a reasonable weight. See a qualified dietician.

RidleyRider

TimeToShine wrote: »

Are you kidding? She's 15, and wants to weigh in at ~54kg at 5'11''. There's trying then there's downright being an idiot.

OP you probably are not going to make it as a jockey. Sorry. If you try, then at least aim for a reasonable weight. See a qualified dietician.

It's been established she doesn't need to lose that much weight, if any to be a jockey. Telling someone no before they've started isn't helping. She can be a jockey. She doesn't want to race so height isn't an issue for her nor is weight in actuality.

runawaybishop

RidleyRider wrote: »

It's been established she doesn't need to lose that much weight, if any to be a jockey. Telling someone no before they've started isn't helping. She can be a jockey. She doesn't want to race so height isn't an issue for her nor is weight in actuality.

Many people believe you need to be 5 foot and weight 6/7 stone to be a jockey. This is understandable given that you often see flat jockeys who would tend to be a lot smaller than jump jockeys. The OP doesnt want to be a flat jockey though. She doesn't need to lose weight either, just get fitter by the sounds of it.

Tiddlypeeps

TimeToShine wrote: »

Are you kidding? She's 15, and wants to weigh in at ~54kg at 5'11''. There's trying then there's downright being an idiot.

OP you probably are not going to make it as a jockey. Sorry. If you try, then at least aim for a reasonable weight. See a qualified dietician.

Did you even read any of the thread other than the original post? Why would anybody jump into a thread, pickup as little information from it as possible and then advise someone that their dream is unachievable based on that fraction of information you managed to gleen.

mdwexford

RidleyRider wrote: »

It's been established she doesn't need to lose that much weight, if any to be a jockey. Telling someone no before they've started isn't helping. She can be a jockey. She doesn't want to race so height isn't an issue for her nor is weight in actuality.

Where did you read she doesn't want to race?

FruityCake

Having a BMI that low (apart from your age and considering you are still growing!) will just cause problems for you later in life, osteoporosis to name one, which I'm sure would have an effect on anything you plan to do to some degree.
Eat healthy, get enough exercise and try enjoy your life.

Bubblegumcandy

mdwexford wrote: »

You aren't going to be a professional jockey, sorry.

You know what, WATCH ME!

Bubblegumcandy

9 stone is my goal, I will be a professional, and thank you very much to the supporting people, I take on all of your comments saying to be careful, I definetly will, and too all you negative people, go find another girls dreams to crush, because I'm going to make it to the top and guess what, I'll just be laughing at ye!

runawaybishop

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

9 stone is my goal, I will be a professional, and thank you very much to the supporting people, I take on all of your comments saying to be careful, I definetly will, and too all you negative people, go find another girls dreams to crush, because I'm going to make it to the top and guess what, I'll just be laughing at ye!

Why 9 stone though? 10 or 10.5 stone is absolutely fine for what you want to do. You really need to be careful with your weight as if you go too low you will have 0 endurance and health issues which will stop you racing far faster than your weight.

edit: actually, 9 stone would disallow you from many events. The UK is less strict but i assume you'll be starting over here? Theres like an 8 4 minium on the flat, but it differs (i.e goes up) for different races.

edit2: actually, isn't the min weight for jumps 10 stone?

convert

OP, coming at this from someone who is involved in the racing industry, there are a few things you need to bear in mind.

Firstly, it's an extremely tough industry, especially for girls, and it goes without saying that you'll need to work extremely hard in order to get relevant experience in order to apply for your licence, let alone get a ride on the racecourse (you say you're going for NH 'jockey' as opposed to a QR licence, where you could ride in point-to-points at 12 stone.

You will need to be strong and healthy, and, although it's an age-old-saying, your health really is your wealth. You need to keep well, and you will need to have strength as well as fitness to do any work riding, before you even get to the racecourse. While a dietician will help you with your diet, you also need to do proper exercise and gym work so that you develop suitable lean muscle which will help protect you if/when you get a fall. A lot of people have already mentioned the importance of this, and not falling too far below your healthy weight, so I'm not going to go into this again. However, I will say that the Turf Club have become pretty strict on jockeys trying to ride below a healthy weight, and keep a close eye on this.

I don't want to jump on the bandwagon here and have you accuse me of trying to crush your dreams, but over the years I have seen so many people have their dreams of becoming a professional jockey shattered. Just because you can ride well or at a specific weight doesn't assure that you will be a jockey. There is a lot of luck in it, too, and it is exceptionally hard to get a 'break', so-to-speak. Yes, by all means dream, but you need to keep your feet on the ground and have back-up plans. Don't lose sight of the importance of education. If it's your Junior Cert year, you should really be focusing on the exam.

If you're so young, and already struggling with your weight, it's going to become much harder to keep your weight down, so you need to bear that in mind, too. If you want to lose weight, you are going to have to be extremely disciplined in your diet, without going on a crash diet. Your fitness regime needs to be suitable to what you want to do and not just copy what everyone else is doing.

I don't think anyone here is deliberately shattering your dreams, they're just pointing out the reality of the situation and warning you of the potential negative impacts it may have on your health in the long term.

@runawaybishop: As far as I know, the minimum weight for NH is 9 stone 10, but if a jockey has a claim, then they could be riding at 9 stone 3 or thereabouts.

Bubblegumcandy

convert wrote: »

OP, coming at this from someone who is involved in the racing industry, there are a few things you need to bear in mind.

Firstly, it's an extremely tough industry, especially for girls, and it goes without saying that you'll need to work extremely hard in order to get relevant experience in order to apply for your licence, let alone get a ride on the racecourse (you say you're going for NH 'jockey' as opposed to a QR licence, where you could ride in point-to-points at 12 stone.

You will need to be strong and healthy, and, although it's an age-old-saying, your health really is your wealth. You need to keep well, and you will need to have strength as well as fitness to do any work riding, before you even get to the racecourse. While a dietician will help you with your diet, you also need to do proper exercise and gym work so that you develop suitable lean muscle which will help protect you if/when you get a fall. A lot of people have already mentioned the importance of this, and not falling too far below your healthy weight, so I'm not going to go into this again. However, I will say that the Turf Club have become pretty strict on jockeys trying to ride below a healthy weight, and keep a close eye on this.

I don't want to jump on the bandwagon here and have you accuse me of trying to crush your dreams, but over the years I have seen so many people have their dreams of becoming a professional jockey shattered. Just because you can ride well or at a specific weight doesn't assure that you will be a jockey. There is a lot of luck in it, too, and it is exceptionally hard to get a 'break', so-to-speak. Yes, by all means dream, but you need to keep your feet on the ground and have back-up plans. Don't lose sight of the importance of education. If it's your Junior Cert year, you should really be focusing on the exam.

If you're so young, and already struggling with your weight, it's going to become much harder to keep your weight down, so you need to bear that in mind, too. If you want to lose weight, you are going to have to be extremely disciplined in your diet, without going on a crash diet. Your fitness regime needs to be suitable to what you want to do and not just copy what everyone else is doing.

I don't think anyone here is deliberately shattering your dreams, they're just pointing out the reality of the situation and warning you of the potential negative impacts it may have on your health in the long term.

@runawaybishop: As far as I know, the minimum weight for NH is 9 stone 10, but if a jockey has a claim, then they could be riding at 9 stone 3 or thereabouts.

Thank you for your reply, but realistically, the only reason I made this thread was to see what excersise I should be doing, thank you for all your time and work, I do apreciate it, but other jockeys are quite heavy, and I have motivation and determination on my side, and also, getting the rides for the track is no bother to me, my dad owns Many racehorses, and my uncle is a
famous trainer!

runawaybishop

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

Thank you for your reply, but realistically, the only reason I made this thread was to see what excersise I should be doing, thank you for all your time and work, I do apreciate it, but other jockeys are quite heavy, and I have motivation and determination on my side, and also, getting the rides for the track is no bother to me, my dad owns Many racehorses, and my uncle is a
famous trainer!

I'll ignore the latter part of your statement as its not relevant here.

You actually asked how to lose weight and pretty much everyone has said you shouldn't do that Hopefully you are now happy enough at keeping in and around 10 stone. With that said you should be looking to increase your aerobic fitness and your strength.

Running/cycling/swimming would help you improve fitness, as well as obviously more horseriding. To improve your strength you need to pretty much work out all your body as the sport is so demanding. Lower work, core work and upperbody work. Looking into a compound lifting program (you wont bulk up, don't worry about that in the slightest) that involves squats, deadlifts, press, overhead press and rows. Consider yoga too for your core and flexibility.

convert

If you have such an insight into the racing industry, and know so much about what other jockeys have to do, then you should be talking to them rather than asking strangers on an internet forum. You'll also be aware that RTE had a programme 'Health Squad' which looked at John Cullen's health and found he had an exceptionally low body fat, even compared to endurance athletes. And his natural weight was 'only' a stone over his riding weight.

If you say you have unlimited access to horses and a trainer, then there's absolutely no need whatsoever for you to be dropping to 9 stone!

Mellor

RidleyRider wrote: »

It's been established she doesn't need to lose that much weight, if any to be a jockey. Telling someone no before they've started isn't helping. She can be a jockey. She doesn't want to race so height isn't an issue for her nor is weight in actuality.

I think you are confused as to what national hunt actually is.

convert wrote: »

If you have such an insight into the racing industry, and know so much about what other jockeys have to do, then you should be talking to them rather than asking strangers on an internet forum

+1

You'll also be aware that RTE had a programme 'Health Squad' which looked at John Cullen's health and found he had an exceptionally low body fat, even compared to endurance athletes. And his natural weight was 'only' a stone over his riding weight.

I was reading that McCoy's natural weight was only 1 stone over also. the lengths he goes to, to stay under is pretty intense.

mdwexford

Bubblegumcandy wrote: »

You know what, WATCH ME!

There have been two half decent female NH jockeys ever and both had better connections than yours I'd imagine.

I'd keep your options open if I were you and convert has given you some good advice. It's going to be next to impossible for you to make a living as a jockey.

Thud

mdwexford wrote: »

There have been two half decent female NH jockeys ever and both had better connections than yours I'd imagine.

I'd keep your options open if I were you and convert has given you some good advice. It's going to be next to impossible for you to make a living as a jockey.

Luckily neither of them listened to you.

If it's something you love Bubblegum give it a try but stay in school in case it doesn't work out.