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Should I put up with his ex girlfriend fascination

  • 08-01-2014 10:31am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25


    Hi all,
    I'm in serious need of some advice and other peoples opinions if you have the time.

    When I started seeing my boyfriend, 2 years ago it was very casual at the start, we met up about once a month. I had told him that I didn't want anything serious, because I was just out of a really long relationship with the father of my child and to let me know, if he was getting involved or anything was going on with someone else

    He took this as an open relationship and about 6 months in, slept with one of his ex's. I was gutted, but he insisted he didn't realise that I wanted a 'monogamous' relationship. so we got over that.

    Then, on a good few occasions when drunk, he would call me by the name of a different ex, he also kept on getting confused my childs name with her childs name. When I got upset over this, he said that he can't fall out of love with people, that he still loves her and that I was filling her space and thats how he was getting confused with the names. He also said that it was one of the worst relationships he was in and their was nothing to worry about.

    Last Christmas a year ago he lied to me about what he was doing and went on a drinking session with her, told me about it 2 weeks later. We argued over it a good bit.

    Since, his kept on saying that this girl is his friend and every now and then he needs to see her but insisted that I meet her and go down with him in the interest of our relationship. he asked me to go down a few times since the summer.

    So 10 days ago at the weekend I went down with him to her house for a drinking session. Although the night started ok, a lot of reminiscing over their past relationship, which btw was 10 years ago, it quickly turned to him getting very drunk. I might as well not have been in the room. He kept on calling her baby, despite her pointing out that she wasn't and I was in the room, he told her he loved her, tried hugging her, fell all over her a few times...it was an awful experience to sit through!

    Because it was so late, I waited till first light and got the bus and left. I sent a txt, telling him I wasn't interested in playing second best, that he obviously still loved this girl and by the looks of things had a chance with her and he should take it.

    He arrived at my door at 8 o' clock that night. I hadn't slept, I hadn't eaten, I was barely able to talk at this point. He told me he doesn't remember any of it, but does believe me and that I should just forget about it, 'blank it' he said. He said he was sorry once, that that was it!

    so what should I do? Should I just pretend it doesn't matter? I believe his heart belongs to her. He can't bring himself to tell me he loves me, he says his worried that it's like a contract, whatever that means!

    If it wasn't for his ex's and a few other small, insignificant things, we would actually have a good relationship. I'm lost, I don't know if I'm being over sensitive?

    Please give me some advice, tell me what you think

    Thank you so much for taking the time to read this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    This might be better in personal issues?

    TO give an answer, from the story you gave us, it sounds like he is completely hung up on his ex. Getting to the point of drunk and calling you his ex's name, frequently and not rarely, is a serious thing. The hugging story was also iffy.

    I dunno, and this is my opinion, but he is going out with you now? So, he should be talking about you? Remembering your exes is one thing, obsessing over them to the detriment of your current relationship, is another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Are you both on the same page re where you're relationship is at? Does he still think of it as a casual thing?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Mod

    Hi gwetan, I'm moving this to the Relationship Issues forum. You should be able to get more advice there. Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Thank you, I'm brand new to this site and hadn't noticed the personal issues forum!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Until I read that he acted that way with his ex in your company I was on the fence- but calling her baby, and in front of you- that's not respectful at all. Obviously doing it behind your back would be no better but to have the cheek to behave that way towards her when you can see and be hurt by it (when you have already discussed your concerns) is just disrespectful. I don't think he's in any doubt of the monogamous element to your relationship since you fought about it and agreed on moving forward. Honestly I think had he just slipped up with the names and stuff id be saying to give him the benefit of the doubt because let's face it people don't instantly forget their ex and may have some residual feelings, its natural, but his behavior is just not fair to you, and then telling you to "blank it"? He's not treating you right and not trying to assure you that there's nothing to worry about- if anything he's cementing the fears and confirming that you're right.
    Move on and save yourself the hurt.

    Also, just re read the part about him not saying I love you because he feels its like a contract or whatever- this is an indication that he isn't in it for the long haul no? I mean OK he shouldn't have to marry you or promise to stay forever but you've spent two years together and he won't say three words in case you take it as him making a commitment to you? Some people don't say it and that's OK, each to their own, its just his reasoning for not that would make me question why he has spent two years with you, and I'm assuming your child too, if he does not see himself committing to you long term.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Yes, I think we're on the same page...We're both not looking for to get married or have kids, just a bit of fun and some companionship really, if that makes sense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    gwetan wrote: »

    If it wasn't for his ex's and a few other small, insignificant things, we would actually have a good relationship. I'm lost, I don't know if I'm being over sensitive?

    Please give me some advice, tell me what you think

    Thank you so much for taking the time to read this.

    ...Gwetan, I think you should read your full post as if you're reading it like someone else wrote it, and then try to imagine what you would tell the poor girl. I read your post fully, and without trying to patronise you or be condescending, all I felt for you was pity, because that is not a relationship you're in, it's someone elses shadow, and I would kick the crap out of any bloke who thought it was ok to bring me to his ex's house and make passes at her in front of me. You need to get away from him and work on your self esteem some, because this isn't normal for most people.

    For the sake of your child, as you mentioned also, it isn't healthy having someone who is not respectful to you around you. Your child will learn all of their future behaviours and take their cues from you. Please don't take any more crap from this saddo, leave him and let him do whatever he wants, most likely he will come running back insisting it's you he wants but it's most likely that he will see you've gotten some self respect and he'll want to get back in with you in order to stamp all over your feelings again. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh or condescending, but re read your post as though it's a close friend telling you about their partner, and you might see what I mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    Wow.. I understand you 2 have your own way of doing things in this relationship but OMG, how can you stand that behaviour!!

    I would crack up honestly! Fair enough you don't want the relationship to get serious i.e marriage etc. but how on earth can you continue with the way he goes on??

    No way.. I'd be gone. I would have been gone after he carried on like a love sick puppy in his ex's house. In fact I would have been gone after the first time he slept with one of his ex's - unforgivable.

    It's a personal opinion of mine, I could not continue that way with a smile on my face and act like it's all good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Thank you Tasden.
    I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to these msg individually.
    I'm worried that you may be right...i feel like his almost sabotaging the relationship, although I don't understand why since we give each other a lot of space and if it wasn't for this, things would actually be quiet good between us!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭tcif


    gwetan wrote: »
    ... he still loves her and that I was filling her space...

    I find it very hard to say to anyone else they should end their relationship - it's a huge thing to advise to a stranger I know nothing about - so all I'll say is I'd be gone if someone said that to me. If he doesn't see you and love you for yourself, if he thinks of you as a space filler for someone else he loved and lost, he's no good to you. Life is too short to waste and you deserve better than that. We all do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    But op if its just a bit of fun then surely you wouldn't be on a forum looking for advice. I mean that in the nicest possible way, you're being hurt by this man and the minute that happens it stops being a fun casual relationship and you're the one who will be left broken hearted.

    I'm not trying to patronise you or be mean, I just don't think its going to end any other way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    gwetan wrote: »
    Thank you Tasden.
    I'm sorry I don't know how to reply to these msg individually.
    I'm worried that you may be right...i feel like his almost sabotaging the relationship, although I don't understand why since we give each other a lot of space and if it wasn't for this, things would actually be quiet good between us!

    Then, it's up to you, you don't really need people telling you what you're willing to accept or not, but it sounds like you may be willing to accept the crumbs from someone's table. if you're happy enough that's fine but obviously something is annoying you because you came her looking for opinions...mine is that he is extremely bad news and any woman deserves a level playing field when starting a new relationship, beginning with infidelities with the excuse "ah I didn't know we were exclusive" and "I can't tell you I love you, it sounds like a contract"....open your eyes girl, seriously, if you only want him for the odd shag grand, but he is not marriage material if that's what you're after, by the sounds of him. I'll leave it at that and the best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Thank you Babooshka.
    I don't think anybody is being mean, that's exactly why I came here so I could get some honest advice.
    I do believe I have a lot of self esteem issues, although you'd never think it if you met me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    gwetan wrote: »
    Thank you Babooshka.
    I don't think anybody is being mean, that's exactly why I came here so I could get some honest advice.
    I do believe I have a lot of self esteem issues, although you'd never think it if you met me.

    That's true for lots of people with self esteem issues to be honest. I am not without some myself, but I would never ever let anyone treat me like that Gwetan. You deserve a lot more to be honest. Even if you're not looking for anything too long term, he sounds like he's playing you. I hope it works out and you get a partner who respects you and you only while he's seeing you. Best of luck missus. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    gwetan wrote: »
    Thank you Babooshka.
    I don't think anybody is being mean, that's exactly why I came here so I could get some honest advice.
    I do believe I have a lot of self esteem issues, although you'd never think it if you met me.

    Well then I think walking away with your head held high and telling him you and your child deserve better than to be her replacement is the best thing for you to do, he's only going to drag you down and lower your self esteem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Walk away now and don't look back. Ever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Dark Phoenix


    Its a tricky one OP as from what you have said you want to have a totally manogamus relationship with someone but not the commitment and attachement that would normally go with one.

    It does not defend his behaviour either though. Basically he has told you he feels its okay to be obsessed with someone else, call you there name and try to reignite things with them when you are sat in the room - because you are just 'filling a space' for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Hi Dark Phoenix
    Yes I want a monogamous relationship and I am totally committed in the now/present. I don't believe anything can last forever. Also previous to this relationship I was in a 14 year relationship and I have a 6 year old child from that, so any further commitments I would make, I would have to be 100% positive about it. Do you think that's wrong?

    He hasn't per say told me it's ok to be obsessed with someone else...it is how it appears to me though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,607 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    gwetan wrote: »
    ...that he still loves her and that I was filling her space...
    gwetan wrote: »
    ... he told her he loved her, tried hugging her, ...
    gwetan wrote: »
    He can't bring himself to tell me he loves me, he says his worried that it's like a contract, whatever that means!

    These would all be red flags for me. He can tell his ex of ten years he loves her but can't say it to his girlfriend of two years. I understand it started off as a casual relationship but after two years and the fact that he had met your child so it is not casual anymore. I wouldn't let anybody disrespect me the way he is disrespecting you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    gwetan wrote: »
    Hi Dark Phoenix
    Yes I want a monogamous relationship and I am totally committed in the now/present. I don't believe anything can last forever. Also previous to this relationship I was in a 14 year relationship and I have a 6 year old child from that, so any further commitments I would make, I would have to be 100% positive about it. Do you think that's wrong?

    He hasn't per say told me it's ok to be obsessed with someone else...it is how it appears to me though

    Its perfectly fine to want a relationship on your terms, whether that's casual/open/short term, as long as its what you both want that's fine, but are you sure you are both on the same page? Are you telling him that you see no future/don't expect it to go anywhere and just want a bit of fun? Because if you are then maybe that's how he's treating the relationship in which case he thinks its OK to see you until he finds someone he wants long term, ie his ex. Have you discussed matter of factly where you both stand in this relationship?

    There's nothing wrong with not wanting to commit to a lifelong relationship until you feel ready but that's not exactly the issue here I don't think, after two years though I think you should both have a full understanding of where you both stand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Hi again Tasden
    Yes it's something that we are both clear on. I should explain. When we met, he told me he doesn't want to get into anything serious because his planning to head off travelling. He has been building a campervan since we met with that being the end goal. His told me on several occasions to not get attached because he is leaving. My reply has always been that, that is fine. We have agreed to just enjoying what we have now and not to worry about the future.

    I guess, I got attached! Maybe he sees that and that scares him, i don't know


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,907 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    gwetan wrote: »
    he said that he can't fall out of love with people, that he still loves her and that I was filling her space

    He is telling you but you are not hearing it. He loves her. He has loved her for over 10 years. He has told you he is not going to fall out of love with her. He has told you that he doesn't love you BECAUSE he loves her. He has told her that he loves her, in front of you, but can't tell you that he loves you.

    This is because he doesn't love you. You are "filling a space" as he so eloquently put it. You are filling a space until she decides if she wants him back.. if she told him tomorrow that she wanted to get back with him, he would walk away from you without a backwards glance. There would be no struggle for him to decide.

    Now, if you are happy for that to be the status of your relationship, then that's fine. But it obvious, from the fact that you came here looking for advice, that you are not happy with it. It's ok for a relationship to start out as casual, and progress. Most relationships start out as casual! But after 2 years, he still sees it as casual, and you see it as something else.

    I don't think his view on it will ever change.. because you are not the one he truly wants. You are, "filling a space", and if she or someone else comes along to that space, he will be gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭littleblackDRS


    I honestly don't understand what you are doing with him. He can't bring himself to tell you he loves you, but will tell you he loves her? He's told you you're just filling the space she left?

    I would run, run very far, and very fast. You deserve so much better than this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Big Bag of chips you are killing me with your honesty!

    You are correct in many ways, the only thing i can say to that is that the only times he has said those things, there's been a lot of alcohol involved. The rest of the time his told me that he thinks i'm amazing and the best girlfriend

    I mean I don't know, personally I can hold my drink, but many people can't. Does alcohol excuse our behaviour?

    I think you're right, but I think he possibly doesn't know it himself, or won't admit it to himself about this other girl...it's lodged deep in his subconscious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    gwetan wrote: »
    Big Bag of chips you are killing me with your honesty!

    You are correct in many ways, the only thing i can say to that is that the only times he has said those things, there's been a lot of alcohol involved. The rest of the time his told me that he thinks i'm amazing and the best girlfriend

    I mean I don't know, personally I can hold my drink, but many people can't. Does alcohol excuse our behaviour?

    I think you're right, but I think he possibly doesn't know it himself, or won't admit it to himself about this other girl...it's lodged deep in his subconscious

    Well to quote someone who i accused of being drunk when he expressed his feelings to me "drink doesn't make you delusional when it comes to love, it gives you clarity", now you can also use beer goggles and plenty other phrases about drink making you be stupid as well, but at the end of the day in this case its looking like his true feelings are coming out when he's drunk.

    Also, it seems from what you've said now that he's kinda been upfront from the start that this is just a fleeting thing til he moves on. And you've sort of given him the go ahead to think this by accepting that. Not that he has a right to disrespect you, but you've told him you're OK with not being his "one".

    Also, regardless of whether his ex was around or not he has said its a casual thing til he moves on to travel or whatever so either way I think you're too deep and involved and would be best walking away now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    Yes, i'm ok with our relationship till he moves on...to a different country though, for a better life, other women weren't in my head when I said that!

    At the start, neither of us expected this to last as long as it has i don't think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    gwetan wrote: »
    When I started seeing my boyfriend, 2 years ago it was very casual at the start, we met up about once a month. I had told him that I didn't want anything serious, because I was just out of a really long relationship with the father of my child and to let me know, if he was getting involved or anything was going on with someone else

    He took this as an open relationship and about 6 months in, slept with one of his ex's. I was gutted, but he insisted he didn't realise that I wanted a 'monogamous' relationship. so we got over that.
    Seriously? You didn't want a 'serious' relationship, but an undertaking to remain monogamous is not serious? Bit of a cake and eat it thing there.

    But in fairness, a non-serious, open relationship is what he wanted all along. Still does, by the looks of things. To the cynic in me, he strikes me as a guy who specializes casual relationships with single mothers, keeping more than one on the go and periodically sleeping with all of them.

    As Big Bag has pointed out, he's spelt it out to you; he still has feeling for her and views her romantically. He's even still keeping you at a certain distance by telling you not to get too attached, to keep things casual.

    However, unlike Big Bag, I suspect he also has feelings for you too and is essentially polyamorous. He's probably telling her the same things.

    Maybe you should have a chat with her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 gwetan


    The corinthian,

    I'll take all those points on board....Essentially I'm worried that you've hit the nail on the head there, but I just didn't cop on to it!

    let me clarify what I mean by 'serious'. Some people want to settle immediately, get marrried and have kids. I already have a kid and am not looking for a replacement father. That can be very scary for some men. I am very independent and just wanted a bit of love and companionship in my life. Not an open relationship. He stated he never wanted kids and that is fine by me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    gwetan wrote: »
    The corinthian,

    I'll take all those points on board....Essentially I'm worried that you've hit the nail on the head there, but I just didn't cop on to it!

    let me clarify what I mean by 'serious'. Some people want to settle immediately, get marrried and have kids. I already have a kid and am not looking for a replacement father. That can be very scary for some men. I am very independent and just wanted a bit of love and companionship in my life. Not an open relationship. He stated he never wanted kids and that is fine by me

    You wanted love, but he's not really giving you that. Sometimes serious means different things to different people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    There seems to be a lack of communication been going on the past 2 years (or maybe not?) but from what you say, it seems that your preferences were not voiced from the start. Still doesn't give him the right to treat you as he has. But there are some men out there that will take all they can and string you along for the ride. This bloke seems to be one of them to me.

    I fear maybe it has gone too far now to salvage and besides, if he is supposed to be leaving the country, do you not feel that you are best off removing yourself from this arrangement and saving yourself anymore headaches/heartaches?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    gwetan wrote: »
    I'll take all those points on board....Essentially I'm worried that you've hit the nail on the head there, but I just didn't cop on to it!
    Don't take it as gospel; it's just a gut feeling, not a reasoned deduction, and thus should only be taken as a possibility in absence of any stronger evidence.
    let me clarify what I mean by 'serious'. Some people want to settle immediately, get marrried and have kids.
    Yeah, the 'check-list brigade'. Mad as bicycles and best avoided.
    I already have a kid and am not looking for a replacement father. That can be very scary for some men. I am very independent and just wanted a bit of love and companionship in my life. Not an open relationship. He stated he never wanted kids and that is fine by me
    You don't have to be monogamous to have love and companionship in your life. TBH, if someone said to me they didn't want a serious relationship, I'd probably presume monogamy wasn't part of it - after all monogamy is a pretty serious commitment. Probably you should have been more clear with him.

    As for the rest of what you said, this is why some guys prefer single mothers; no biological clock screaming to settle down and start a family, more realistic expectations and happy to take things one day at a time. I've seen it before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    After 2 years together you deserve more than this. He told you he does not want a relationship as he is going traveling but he expects you to be available to suit him.
    Meanwhile when you mert him you had come out of a long relationship that ended badly so you did not want a serious relationship.

    I have to be honest here, if he got a text/phone from his ex and she asked him to meet her he would be gone to her. He would not tell you this but in time you would find out from someone you both know.
    After 2 years of being together you deserve better than this waste of space.
    I know it is hard to have a relationship when one went wrong in the past. If you don't don't put some value on yourself, your wants, your needs and your own long term happiness no one else will.

    Also if you have a child they will notice what you do, say and go out with.
    Do you want your child to think that any man/woman is better than no other half?
    Do you want your child to know that there mother is a doormat?

    In your case I would tell him it is over so he can run back to his ex. I would look for some counselling to build up your self estem. You sound like a nice person who has had some bad luck but at this stage I would spend some time on your own, build up your self estem and in time you will meet a man who deserve you not a user like this idiot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭thefeatheredcat


    The only reason I can see why he insisted on you meeting the friend/ex is to validate the existence of her in his life. He previously had to lie to you in keeping her secret. But now he needs to validate her in your relationship with him. To create an existence of her in your life. So that leaves you in a relationship with 3 people. He is really creating a situation that can be summed up in his head that it is ok for him to continue to stay in the past about the ex and for you to live in her shadow, in validating her.

    As for the going off traveling and campervan........... He's not going traveling. He is not leaving or going traveling. I would see it that the campervan is really the same as you, a means of a way to fill the void, the shadow of the ex. If that campervan ever gets finished, and you're still together, I would doubt he will be leaving. He is not going anywhere in it unless the ex is in it with him. I would take him saying he is going traveling as a way to not get too involved with him ..... only because he is waiting for his ex to take him back.

    He has been quite direct in not wanting to get that involved with you, but at the same time is happy to use you as a stand in for the ex. He wants the benefits of a relationship but not in a real relationship, not with someone who wants a relationship but that can settle with being in a relationship with 3 people. She is always going to be in the picture. He is giving you lots of reasons just by behaviour alone such as the drinking session with his ex for you to push him away, which is really what he wants, because he will never have the balls to just end things with you himself. He's creating scenarios that either lead to you accepting the relationship of 3 or you pushing him away based on being hung up on his ex and forever hoping something will change with her that equates to them being together. Either way, he will never really end things with you, he doesn't want to be the "bad guy" and adding to his predicament he is already in, as in, he doesn't want to be the one directly responsible for you being or getting hurt in ending things with you completely, it is more the case that he wants to be off the hook in saying things like going off traveling, don't get attached, etc so that if you get hurt he will see himself as blameless as he did warn you.

    I would advise Gwetan, to hold yourself up high and walk away. This is a guy who either is going to wreck your head by his behaviour, his obvious love for his ex and the need for her to be a part of his life and in needing you to validate her in both your lives, or is going to hurt you really badly through humiliating you further and leaving you high and dry at some point. I don't think you are ever going to be his girlfriend on a real term in his head; you're a safe stand in that he does not need to hold himself and his behaviour accountable to (as he has warned you he is leaving, not to get involved, keep things casual, etc) and in his view, can walk away from tomorrow if the ex wanted him back. If you wanted love and companionship in your life, this guy will never give that....... to you.

    The Corinthian raised a great point, maybe he is saying the same things to the ex, maybe he said all those same things and was hung up over someone else while in a relationship with her. Maybe she has been in the position you are.

    As for the question though, should you put up with the ex fascination? I wouldn't. I wouldn't entertain going out with someone for 2 weeks never mind 2 years that is so obviously hung up on their ex, even if it's just while drunk. But she is still a huge part of his life and trying to have you validate it, trying to encourage it. Even if the rehashing the relationship only comes up when he is drunk, than like anyone I've ever met that has specific issues that only rear their heads when drunk - and never in a sober moment - they are best encouraged to deal with those negative emotions and issues sober and work through the issues.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭CaraMay


    Op he loves someone else?!?!?!? It's really that simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Sadderday


    OP, poor you.. it really doesn't sound all that much fun....? so if you are looking for a good time... you can still find that with someone that will show you a little more respect. If you were single... would you have these worries? so why spend your time and thoughts on somebody that really isn't adding much to your life.... when you weigh up the pros and cons. If you decide to let go now and walk away you can hang onto your dignity.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,907 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    gwetan wrote: »
    Big Bag of chips you are killing me with your honesty!

    You are correct in many ways, the only thing i can say to that is that the only times he has said those things, there's been a lot of alcohol involved. The rest of the time his told me that he thinks i'm amazing and the best girlfriend

    I mean I don't know, personally I can hold my drink, but many people can't. Does alcohol excuse our behaviour?

    No, alcohol doesn't excuse behaviour. You are making excuses. So "the rest of the time" he thinks you are amazing...? So when he is not drunk he tells you he loves you???

    Have you heard the phrase "in vino veritas"? When he is drunk he lowers his inhibitions and tells you, and her, exactly how he feels. When he is not drunk he has a bit more sense and the capability to hide it from you.

    Do you love him? To the point where, even if you are second best, you prefer to be with him than not? If so, that's fair enough. Only you can decide what you are willing to accept in your relationship. What might have others running for the hills, could be perfectly fine to another person. Neither is necessarily right or wrong.

    But.... A relationship is supposed to make you happy and feel good. If it doesn't, what's the point? Being with someone, anyone, rather than being single? You are the only person who can decide what your limit is. My limit would be being humiliated in front of his ex, by him acting as if they were the couple, while I sat on the outside feeling like I was intruding in their "relationship".

    Edit: Scrap that. my limit would have been when I discovered my feelings for him were growing, and he told me he couldn't fall out of love with his ex, and I was "just filling her space".

    Just as a matter of interest - you asked "Should I put up with his ex girlfriend fascination" - did you expect any reply saying "Yes"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭heretochat


    CaraMay wrote: »
    Op he loves someone else?!?!?!? It's really that simple.

    Having read the whole thread, I think this post sums the situation up to a tee..

    Drink is not excuse as others have said and to behave the way he did in front of you is inexcusable and shows a complete lack of respect for you.

    If someone did that to me I would have walked out the door and left them to it..

    You are a filler for him and if his ex ever came back looking to take him from you he would go in an instant..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    OP, I would walk away. I know some people are advising you to talk to the ex but what's the point? Are you happy to play second best to her? You're not in an official polyamorous relationship. If you were then the ex might be the primary partner (the one uppermost in his mind) and you the secondary partner. Is that what you want?

    Even if you want a casual arrangement this doesn't mean you have to accept second best. In polyamorous relationships all concerned might be serious and committed or there might be one primary partner and several other partners but all know about each other and are open and honest with each other.

    This is not the case with your bf.

    Cut loose and find somebody who treats you with respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    gwetan wrote: »
    Hi again Tasden
    Yes it's something that we are both clear on. I should explain. When we met, he told me he doesn't want to get into anything serious because his planning to head off travelling. He has been building a campervan since we met with that being the end goal. His told me on several occasions to not get attached because he is leaving. My reply has always been that, that is fine. We have agreed to just enjoying what we have now and not to worry about the future.

    I guess, I got attached! Maybe he sees that and that scares him, i don't know

    Of course you did, it's been 2 years, not just some 2 month fling.
    And as much as his behaviour has been out of order, you haven't helped the situation yourself.

    What is the point in just coasting along with a guy who is planning to move away, when there's no future in it? In that situation you either accept that it's just a bit of fun or you knock it on the head and head and admit that you want something more meaningful, more stable (which seems to be the case).

    Either way this relationship is going nowhere. He is fixated on his ex for a start, and the reason he won't tell you he loves you is because he doesn't. That's pretty obvious from his actions. And that stuff about it being a 'contract' is awful nonsense. But again (and I'm sorry to be harsh) you are partly the orchestrator of your own downfall here because I really can't see where you ever expected this to go.


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