Skoda/Hyundai/Kia estate. Which is better?

odckdo

I don't know much about cars (or estates) so I am looking for some advice.

Looking to get an estate as I need a bigger boot. At the moment I drive a Golf 1.2 TSI. I find the car OK as I only do trips around town.

I am looking to buy a new Octavia estate. To keep costs down would a 1.2 TSI 86bhp be alright for a car of this size? Or would it be worth paying the extra for a 1.2 TSI 105bhp? (I read before that for small trips a petrol car is better?)

Or does anyone think a 2013 Kia or Hyundai estate would be better (even if it is diesel)?

Thanks!

Kristopherus

The Skoda, by a mile.

timmy4u2

Do not discount the Hyundai/Kia. The Hyundai isA great car in my opinion and the winner of several awards. And a great diesel engine.

JohnBoy26

Kristopherus wrote: »

The Skoda, by a mile.

why is that? Hyundai, kia are very good cars these days, certainly up there with skoda Imo.

Lex Luthor

Gonna throw the Seat Leon ST in there...as you are coming from a Golf this will be more familiar to you
It may not be up there quality wise as the Golf or the interior as nice inside as the Koreans, but the overall package is certainly up there and the boot is massive (bigger than a mondeo)
Probably same engine line up as the Skoda. I'd have the 105bhp unit over the 86bhp

bazz26

Ford are offering the Focus estate with the 1.0 litre 100bhp Eco Boost engine, not cheap though.

Tea 1000

Drive all 3, which ever you prefer is the one to get, they're all good. The new Octavia is pricey, (and a bit shíte looking), so maybe the Korean pair might be a better value alternative, but they're no less good.

vectra

Rapid Spaceback?

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Skoda-Rapid-Spaceback-16-TDI-2013-CAR-review/

Karl Stein

The incredibly practical Honda Civic tourer is coming soon. With the naturally aspirated 1.8 VTEC engine getting 40MPG + combined with plenty of BHP and the 1.6 diesel claiming 70MPG+ you'd be mad not to consider it.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/honda/10492025/Honda-Civic-Tourer-review.html

ba_barabus

I'd actually look at the Auris Tourer. I think it looks well.

Of the 3 posted however it would HAVE to be a Kia Cee'd estate.

spurious

Get a Skoda Roomster - buckets of space.

Jesus.

odckdo wrote: »

To keep costs down would a 1.2 TSI 86bhp be alright for a car of this size?

No

Or would it be worth paying the extra for a 1.2 TSI 105bhp?

And nor would that IMO.

I know its a matter of opinion but a 1.2 in a car that's quite large would just be a no no for me.

Best of luck with your search mate.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

No.

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr.

I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered. Obviously the diesel is better overall but you need to be doing miles for it to work out a better buy IMHO

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr. I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered.

Hmm. I'm unconvinced mate.

Still, I doubt you're making it up to be fair.

colm_mcm

Carlos Roca wrote: »

The incredibly practical Honda Civic tourer is coming soon. With the naturally aspirated 1.8 VTEC engine getting 40MPG + combined with plenty of BHP and the 1.6 diesel claiming 70MPG+ you'd be mad not to consider it.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/honda/10492025/Honda-Civic-Tourer-review.html

The 1.8 hatchback is €26000, tourer will surely be more again.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

Hmm. I'm unconvinced mate.

Still, I doubt you're making it up to be fair.

Have you driven one? 105bhp TSI with a 6-speed box?

MuppetCheck

Even if you're doing small miles the Kia 7 year warranty means a diesel is viable. For what it is the 1.6 is a really good unit, quiet, frugal and nippy. The rest of the car isn't bad either. The interior of the skoda will probably feel that bit nicer but there's little in it.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Have you driven one? 105bhp TSI with a 6-speed box?

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

I'd drive one before dismissing them

I jumped into it from my 318 one evening and I know which one I had more fun in.

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter. That 1.2 engine would be a long way ahead of the old crap 1.6 petrol.

ba_barabus

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter. That 1.2 engine would be a long way ahead of the old crap 1.6 petrol.

It is. The gear ratios on the 6-speed box are good, it's nippy off the line. The major limitations to it was the handling of the Yeti. I reckon in a small nippy car it would put some older hot hatches to shame on a back road. As said however between 120-140 it runs out of puff.

Tea 1000

ba_barabus wrote: »

It is. The gear ratios on the 6-speed box are good, it's nippy off the line. The major limitations to it was the handling of the Yeti. I reckon in a small nippy car it would put some older hot hatches to shame on a back road. As said however between 120-140 it runs out of puff.

Most 105bhp engines do though!

ba_barabus

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Most 105bhp engines do though!

It can be made fun through tight backroads however..........most 105bhp cars can however :P

Jesus.

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter.

Not really though. Squeezing a lot of power out of a tiny little unit does put a lot of stress on the motor.

You think a 3 pot, 1 liter in a Mondy is appropriate? I certainly don't. In fact, I think someone's taking the piss.

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

Not really though. Squeezing a lot of power out of a tiny little unit does put a lot of stress on the motor.

You think a 3 pot, 1 liter in a Mondy is appropriate? I certainly don't. In fact, I think someone's taking the piss.

I haven't driven one, so I don't know what sort of stress the engine is under. But just because it's small, doesn't necessarily mean it's stressed. Engines have come a long way and are still improving. Size doesn't actually mean anything. Chances are that pick a 5 litre engine from the 30's with around 40bhp and put it in the same vehicle as the 1 litre EcoBoost 100bhp engine you'd be stressing the old one more by driving both hard.
You change the mapping to suit the engine load. There's a point to when you're over doing it, but I wouldn't worry about a 1 litre engine in a Mondeo if it was designed and manufactured correctly. A Mondeo is only about 150kgs more than a Focus. Maybe less. That means that putting 2 passengers in a 1 litre Ecoboost Focus is stressing the engine by the same logic, which isn't the case.
It's not an exact science, so I say drive it and see!

dr.fuzzenstein

ba_barabus wrote: »

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr.

I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered. Obviously the diesel is better overall but you need to be doing miles for it to work out a better buy IMHO

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti and found it quite underpowered.
On the motorway traffic slowed down going uphill, had to stick it in 3rd and scream it to the redline and it was torturous.
No grunt, no poke, wouldn't fancy overtaking anything in it.
It's OK for pottering around, but it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.
I would consider a Yeti, but not with that engine.
What is this crazy fascination with milk carton sized engines anyway?
Whatever the petrol heads say about a decent sized petrol engine, but these new engines?
Gimme my oilburner any day.

dr.fuzzenstein

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

Well, I would consider a 1.2 to be a good-sized engine. In a Smart.
As I said, driven the 1.2 Yeti. It moves in mysterious ways, just not very fast.

colm_mcm

Drove a polo 1.2 TSI and it was great, isn't the new octavia fairly light?

On a side note, I was told the 1.2 TSI was 4 cylinder but it sounded like a 3 cylinder at low revs?

Tea 1000

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, I would consider a 1.2 to be a good-sized engine. In a Smart.
As I said, driven the 1.2 Yeti. It moves in mysterious ways, just not very fast.

Was it the 86bhp version?
It depends on the application. The 1.4 TSI 122bhp in the VAG range even the Passat is far ahead of the old 115bhp 2 litre N/A petrol for example, under any load or hill!

Jesus.

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I haven't driven one, so I don't know what sort of stress the engine is under. But just because it's small, doesn't necessarily mean it's stressed. Engines have come a long way and are still improving. Size doesn't actually mean anything. Chances are that pick a 5 litre engine from the 30's with around 40bhp and put it in the same vehicle as the 1 litre EcoBoost 100bhp engine you'd be stressing the old one more by driving both hard.
You change the mapping to suit the engine load. There's a point to when you're over doing it, but I wouldn't worry about a 1 litre engine in a Mondeo if it was designed and manufactured correctly. A Mondeo is only about 150kgs more than a Focus. Maybe less. That means that putting 2 passengers in a 1 litre Ecoboost Focus is stressing the engine by the same logic, which isn't the case.
It's not an exact science, so I say drive it and see!

Size doesn't actually mean anything.

I tried to tell her that last night but she wasn't having it

Come on mate, don't be saying size don't mean sh*t and then coming up with motors from the 30's. The 30's for Christ's sake!!

The new Mondy is going to be even bigger than the last which is already the biggest motor in its class. It'll be as big as, if not bigger than, some executive cars. And I'm sure the weight will match. Yet you're trying to tell me that a 3 banger 1 liter could be fine in it?

Pull the other one Teabag

ba_barabus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti and found it quite underpowered.
On the motorway traffic slowed down going uphill, had to stick it in 3rd and scream it to the redline and it was torturous.
No grunt, no poke, wouldn't fancy overtaking anything in it.
It's OK for pottering around, but it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.
I would consider a Yeti, but not with that engine.
What is this crazy fascination with milk carton sized engines anyway?
Whatever the petrol heads say about a decent sized petrol engine, but these new engines?
Gimme my oilburner any day.

I don't think you were driving it right. You don't need to mash the pedal to the floor in every gear to get the best out of it.

I've made it move pretty sharpish. It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.

Other than that its great though, eh?!! :pac::pac::pac:

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Drove a polo 1.2 TSI and it was great, isn't the new octavia fairly light??

I'd love to have a 1.2TSI 105BHP Fabia for a drive in Monte Carlo spec. I reckon it could be good for a warmish hatch for the price.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

That's the point though isn't it. The size ain't right

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

That's the point though isn't it. The size ain't right

As said I've had great fun in one and the size doesn't matter. Would you say an Elise is shyte as it's small and only comes with a 1.8?

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

I tried to tell her that last night but she wasn't having it

Come on mate, don't be saying size don't mean sh*t and then coming up with motors from the 30's. The 30's for Christ's sake!!

The new Mondy is going to be even bigger than the last which is already the biggest motor in its class. It'll be as big as, if not bigger than, some executive cars. And I'm sure the weight will match. Yet you're trying to tell me that a 3 banger 1 liter could be fine in it?

Pull the other one Teabag

It probably will be grand. As in as grand as the old 1.6 that came in it. Neither will be magical, but they're both aimed as entry level models.
There are 2 litre Evo's that'll shít all over some 4 litre cars. F1 engines next year will be 1.6. 600cc motorbikes can crap on Mustang's!
A crap 1.6 N/A engine in a Mondeo will be no better than a good 1 litre turbo.

dr.fuzzenstein

ba_barabus wrote: »

I don't think you were driving it right. You don't need to mash the pedal to the floor in every gear to get the best out of it.

I've made it move pretty sharpish. It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

I was driving it right, but then again I was sitting in the outside lane of the Autobahn on a steep enough incline when suddenly traffic came to a near standstill.
I could have dived inbetween the trucks and moved at 60-80 km/h for the next while, or I could step on it and try not to hold up the Beemers and Audis in the Ueberholspur.
I went from 6th down to 3rd, there was zero power anywhere in the powerband, this engine has not much torque and that is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner, that would have taken off in 5th, 4th if I had to push it.
If the Yeti is available with a decent sized diesel, I'm having it. Lovely car and very comfy.

ba_barabus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I was driving it right, but then again I was sitting in the outside lane of the Autobahn on a steep enough incline when suddenly traffic came to a near standstill.
I could have dived inbetween the trucks and moved at 60-80 km/h for the next while, or I could step on it and try not to hold up the Beemers and Audis in the Ueberholspur.
I went from 6th down to 3rd, there was zero power anywhere in the powerband, this engine has not much torque and that is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner, that would have taken off in 5th, 4th if I had to push it.
If the Yeti is available with a decent sized diesel, I'm having it. Lovely car and very comfy.

In fairness the 1.2TSI isn't made for that kind of driving. Anything sub 1.8 would be stunned by that.

The 1.6TDI isn't bad in it but I think it comes with a 2.0TDI. In the UK it does anyway as I had one out. Loved it. Still, I won't have one until I have kids.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Would you say an Elise is shyte as it's small and only comes with a 1.8?

Of course not because its small with a 1.8. The Yeti is far bigger with a 1.2!

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

Of course not because its small with a 1.8. The Yeti is far bigger with a 1.2!

It's not about capacity. My example is poor to be fair but the elise can punch far above it's size which is what you were talking about as can the 1.2TSI.

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

torque is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner.

I'm with you on this Doc. I was driving a nice torquey diesel for the past week and got back into my petrol today and you couldn't compare 'em.

Its diesel and torque all the way for me.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

I'm with you on this Doc. I was driving a nice torquey diesel for the past week and got back into my petrol today and you couldn't compare 'em.

Its diesel and torque all the way for me.

There is no real point in comparing diesel and petrol cars though. They're inherently different in how they deliver the power and therefore how they're going to drive.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's not about capacity. My example is poor to be fair but the elise can punch far above it's size which is what you were talking about as can the 1.2TSI.

The elise can because its lightweight and its got a 1.8 with a decent amount of power. I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is there comes a point when engines just get too small for the loads they're hauling around and I think that we've reached that point with 1.2 Octy's and 1.0 Mondeos.

You must know what I'm getting at here Barabbus?

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

There is no real point in comparing diesel and petrol cars though. They're inherently different in how they deliver the power and therefore how they're going to drive.

I don't understand what you're saying here. There's no point comparing them because they're different, hence they'll drive differently? I would've thought that's exactly why you'd compare them!

Pound for pound, give me a daysul all day

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

You must know what I'm getting at here Barabbus?

I know what you are getting at and if you notice I've not commented on the Ecoboost in the Mondeo as I haven't driven one. You've made plenty of assumptions about the 1.2TSI Yeti having admittedly not driven one.

I've driven one and rated it well. Maybe you should at least try one before rubbishing it. Colm MCM has at least tried the engine and liked it while Dr.Fuzz found it gutless trying to keep up with autobahn traffic (I expect it would be as I've already said it's performance is great below motorway speed).

It's not a diesel but I love it's willingness to rev and pick up at low speed. I've driven the TDI version and loved the torque and overall power but I prefer the lighter petrol and it's willing engine.

You'd be better off driving one before saying how cr@p you think it is. I can assure you even I was surprised.

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

In fairness the 1.2TSI isn't made for that kind of driving. Anything sub 1.8 would be stunned by that.

The 1.6TDI isn't bad in it but I think it comes with a 2.0TDI. In the UK it does anyway as I had one out. Loved it. Still, I won't have one until I have kids.

a b16 powered Honda civic wouldn't.

ba_barabus

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

a b16 powered Honda civic wouldn't.

Well, most cars would be. Not all.

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

I don't understand what you're saying here. There's no point comparing them because they're different, hence they'll drive differently? I would've thought that's exactly why you'd compare them!

Pound for pound, give me a daysul all day

525i vs same price 520d? Feck off diesel is all I'll say to that!!

colm_mcm

A glanza engine could easily haul a carina e around.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

A glanza engine could easily haul a carina e around.

:D:D:D

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Dr.Fuzz found it gutless

I'm not surprised he found it gutless. Some things are transparent enough so as not to require further investigation.

You'd be better off driving one before saying how cr@p you think it is.

I've never drank urine but I know it'd taste like piss.

I don't want to sound crass mate but I think it just boils down to what one man might find adequate, another might find it gutless. Its just opinions at the end of the day.