Unpaid A&E charges

da_shee

Hi

I was in Accident & Emergency last May and just discovered I never paid the €100 charge. I was going through some old papers and the A&E invoice popped up.

Basically I moved out of my house a few days after the incident and totally forget about the charge. I assume any reminder letters sent out went to the old address. I can't remember if I put down any phone number or PPS number on the A&E form but I haven't been contacted in any other way either!

Now, I know, its my responsibility to pay it and I should pay it. But I am just wondering how liable I am at this point? I mean can I be taken to court etc..? Or will I will I just be kept on record with a big :mad: next to my name and eventually forgotten?

Thanks

shee

wazky

They will come and un-fix whatever they fixed for you in hospital.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

You are liable and they can send the debt collectors after you.

Wacker The Attacker

Just pay the facking bill

dmc17

You'll be barred from A&E until you pay it!

The Backwards Man

What was that film with Jude Law?

Chucken

da_shee wrote: »

Hi



Now, I know, its my responsibility to pay it and I should pay it. But I am just wondering how liable I am at this point?

You were treated at a hospital. Obviously you're still alive.
Pay your bill.

deblacker

They'll wait until you're completely recovered,

and then they'll come and break your legs.

darkpagandeath

Don't they have some kind of budget for this ? ahh sorry my mistake it's all used on consultants wages and top ups so send in the cash it will defiantly go to the A&E department....

PucaMama

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What was that film with Jude Law?

Repo men

Dont pay for your new liver they take it back

nicowa

They'll stick your name in Stubbs Gazette.

Aidric

Ha, that reminds me I have a similar charge outstanding for about 8 years. They never chased me up on it.

da_shee

Chucken wrote: »

You were treated at a hospital. Obviously you're still alive.
Pay your bill.

Yes thanks for the moral lecture Dad and reminder of words I wrote myself!

Pity of your inability to answer the question!

Aidric wrote: »

Ha, that reminds me I have a similar charge outstanding for about 8 years. They never chased me up on it.

That's the most useful response I've seen! Thank you!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Whether they chase it up or not, you owe it. Pay it before I have to through my taxes and charges. Someone has to pay so it should be you.

da_shee

Ava Fat Gorge wrote: »

Whether they chase it up or not, you owe it. Pay it before I have to through my taxes and charges. Someone has to pay so it should be you.

Yes I most certainly will pay it. I do not believe in anyone else footing the bill.

My query really is how do they pursue it when they don't know where I am or can't contact me.

jantheman91

da_shee wrote: »

Yes I most certainly will pay it. I do not believe in anyone else footing the bill.

My query really is how do they pursue it when they don't know where I am or can't contact me.

You know where they are, and can contact them.....

Chucken

da_shee wrote: »

Yes thanks for the moral lecture Dad and reminder of words I wrote myself!

Pity of your inability to answer the question!



That's the most useful response I've seen! Thank you!

Ohhhh touchy!

1st point-I can't be your dad, I'm female.
2nd point-Pay your bill.

Nedser101

Just forget about it .its the hospital there eventually Gona loose record of it.

wretcheddomain

The hospital wouldn't have all this bother if they just let people die.

Iwannahurl

da_shee wrote: »

I was in Accident & Emergency last May and just discovered I never paid the €100 charge.

There's a senior executive somewhere in the HSE who's missing that little "top-up".

kneemos

The man will give out to you.

gctest50

Aidric wrote: »

Ha, that reminds me I have a similar charge outstanding for about 8 years. They never chased me up on it.

The doc might have been a bit tired and forgot to file it

wretcheddomain

da_shee wrote: »

Hi

I was in Accident & Emergency last May and just discovered I never paid the €100 charge. I was going through some old papers and the A&E invoice popped up.

Basically I moved out of my house a few days after the incident and totally forget about the charge. I assume any reminder letters sent out went to the old address. I can't remember if I put down any phone number or PPS number on the A&E form but I haven't been contacted in any other way either!

Now, I know, its my responsibility to pay it and I should pay it. But I am just wondering how liable I am at this point? I mean can I be taken to court etc..? Or will I will I just be kept on record with a big :mad: next to my name and eventually forgotten?

Thanks

shee

Just a few notes...

1) Why were you in A & E?

2) It's silly to ask "how liable you are" as if it were a %. "Oh yes, Ms., looking as the computer it says your currently 67% liable this month". You're either liable or you're non-liable, in this case, you're firmly in the former bracket.

3) Following on from (2), given the above, why did you ask "I know it's my responsibility to pay it" and then ask if you're liable?

4) Why didn't you change your old address when moving in terms of transferring post? This seems standard practice that you also conveniently forgot.

5) By asking if you could be taken to court, you're basically asking whether you can get away with it by asking us to dismiss the worst conclusion.

6) Thus, you've already claimed responsibility and if you had any decent morals in the marrow of your bones you'd pay the fine. If you don't, you're still a criminal and that should play on your mind, again, if you've any moral responsibility. Maybe you don't? Do let us know if you plan to become a criminal.

da_shee

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Just a few notes...

1) Why were you in A & E?

2) It's silly to ask "how liable you are" as if it were a %. "Oh yes, Ms., looking as the computer it says your currently 67% liable this month". You're either liable or you're non-liable, in this case, you're firmly in the former bracket.

3) Following on from (2), given the above, why did you ask "I know it's my responsibility to pay it" and then ask if you're liable?

4) Why didn't you change your old address when moving? This seems standard practice that you also conveniently forgot.

5) By asking if you could be taken to court, you're basically asking whether you can get away with it by asking us to dismiss the worst conclusion.

6) Thus, you've already claimed responsibility and if you had any decent morals in the marrow of your bones you'd pay the fine. If you don't, you're still a criminal and that should play on your mind, again, if you've any moral responsibility. Maybe you don't? Do let us know if you plan to become a criminal.

I would say it clearly bothers you a lot more than it does me

As I said I will pay but believe me I've given the HSE more than enough in my lifetime for it not to bother me one bit if I didn't!

And no one's a criminal unless they get a conviction so check your definitions on that one!

WoollyRedHat

Chucken wrote: »

Ohhhh touchy!

1st point-I can't be your dad, I'm female.
2nd point-Pay your bill.

Since when?!

wretcheddomain

da_shee wrote: »

I would say it clearly bothers you a lot more than it does me

As I said I will pay but believe me I've given the HSE more than enough in my lifetime for it not to bother me one bit if I didn't!

And no one's a criminal unless they get a conviction so check your definitions on that one!

So if I commit the crime of murder tonight, I'm not a criminal unless I'm found out? I don't think the person convicting the crime needs another person to define him as such. :pac:

It bothers you enough to start a thread and bothers you more when you receive a response. :rolleyes:

Sounds like you're trying to justify not paying them according to that bolded part. :cool:

Chucken

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Since when?!

Since always ya fecker

RobbingBandit

Pay the bill OP it is not worth having this happen to you. James Reilly will find you and fart in your face.

da_shee

wretcheddomain wrote: »

So if I commit the crime of murder tonight, I'm not a criminal unless I'm found out? I don't think the person convicting the crime needs another person to define him as such. :pac:

It bothers you enough to start a thread and bothers you more when you receive a response. :rolleyes:

Sounds like you're trying to justify not paying them according to that bolded part. :cool:

Oh i certainly am and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it! But I will pay, the purpose of starting this thread was to see what happens to those who don't pay!

So yeah you're right. I was only looking for info in this thread, I suppose I was always going to get a few "pay your bill" lectures while I was it.

But I guess your perfect eh? Shame on me for being honest

Buer

You are liable for the outstanding amount entirely. They will pass you to a debt collection agency. These agencies deal with people all the time who change address; they are able to track you to your last known address which is probably your current one. You'll have put several items of personal information on the form including your GP, next of kin, address, contact details and PPS/insurance details. They can threaten court action. They will arrange a court date for outstanding amounts if they need to. They will inconvenience you as much as they possibly can.

Mint Sauce

Next time you go to A&E OP, you'll have a first day Med Student treeting you.

Aidric

gctest50 wrote: »

The doc might have been a bit tired and forgot to file it

Ah no, I'm sitting on the aged receivables ledger somewhere. At this stage it's probably been written off.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

da_shee wrote: »

Yes I most certainly will pay it. I do not believe in anyone else footing the bill.

My query really is how do they pursue it when they don't know where I am or can't contact me.

Ach, look those are really nonsensical questions and you rightly know the answers. Why ask? You know they probably can't do much to follow it up. But you know you owe it. You have the means to ensure it's paid. Why even post about it instead of just paying it?

Femme_Fatale

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't they have some kind of budget for this ? ahh sorry my mistake it's all used on consultants wages and top ups so send in the cash it will defiantly go to the A&E department....

A budget for what? People not paying what they owe?
People who complain about a particular service can be the very same people who urge people not to pay for that service... as if non payment of it is really going to help improve it. Idiocy.

da_shee wrote: »

That's the most useful response I've seen! Thank you!

It's not remotely useful, it's just an answer you like reading.

anncoates

They won't do anything more than likely but go ahead and add another little bit of debt that you can probably afford to an already crumbling health system.

That's what we do in Ireland because we're rebels.

holystungun9

Chucken wrote: »

You were treated at a hospital. Obviously you're still alive.
Pay your bill.

Maybe the op needs get their wallet surgically removed.

sligoface

OP you bloody criminal how can you even look at yourself in the mirror? ;-)

Always gives me a chuckle to read posts from those who think the sole reason that they are not wealthy living on a yacht somewhere is because of all the lazy deadbeats who commit horribly immoral acts like leave an unpaid a&e bill, claim the dole, don't pay the TV license, etc. They're always way up on their high horse when it comes to stuff like that, as they believe themselves to be solely responsible for propping up all the low class scroungers with their hard earned taxes and blah blah blah. They're like the Irish version of the Tea Party members in the US, except they wouldn't be caught dead standing up to the government or the bankers, because they've deluded themselves into thinking they could one day be in the golden circle, if only they didn't have to keep paying for all the lazy poor people.

If you have the money, by all means do YOURSELF a favor and clear the debt away, but if you are broke at the moment, like many of us, don't lose sleep over it, nothing earth shattering will happen to you.

H2UMrsRobinson

da_shee wrote: »

Oh i certainly am and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it! But I will pay, the purpose of starting this thread was to see what happens to those who don't pay!(

I had a tooth out once at the Saturday clinic in town can't remember where exactly, was in extraordinary amount of pain - any way got a bill for €100 and never paid it, that was about 6 years ago, have visited hospital since then and there was no repercussions from my non payment of this earlier bill.

anncoates

sligoface wrote: »

OP you bloody criminal how can you even look at yourself in the mirror? ;-)

Always gives me a chuckle to read posts from those who think the sole reason that they are not wealthy living on a yacht somewhere is because of all the lazy deadbeats who commit horribly immoral acts like leave an unpaid a&e bill, claim the dole, don't pay the TV license, etc. They're always way up on their high horse when it comes to stuff like that, as they believe themselves to be solely responsible for propping up all the low class scroungers with their hard earned taxes and blah blah blah. They're like the Irish version of the Tea Party members in the US, except they wouldn't be caught dead standing up to the government or the bankers, because they've deluded themselves into thinking they could one day be in the golden circle, if only they didn't have to keep paying for all the lazy poor people.

If you have the money, by all means do YOURSELF a favor and clear the debt away, but if you are broke at the moment, like many of us, don't lose sleep over it, nothing earth shattering will happen to you.

The problem with people like you is that you use completely understandable chagrin about the misgovernance of taxes and other public funding as a selfish excuse to abdicate yourself from responsibility to fund public services.

Then again you're probably a student or living with your parents.

Femme_Fatale

sligoface wrote: »

OP you bloody criminal how can you even look at yourself in the mirror? ;-)

Always gives me a chuckle to read posts from those who think the sole reason that they are not wealthy living on a yacht somewhere is because of all the lazy deadbeats who commit horribly immoral acts like leave an unpaid a&e bill, claim the dole, don't pay the TV license, etc. They're always way up on their high horse when it comes to stuff like that, as they believe themselves to be solely responsible for propping up all the low class scroungers with their hard earned taxes and blah blah blah. They're like the Irish version of the Tea Party members in the US, except they wouldn't be caught dead standing up to the government or the bankers, because they've deluded themselves into thinking they could one day be in the golden circle, if only they didn't have to keep paying for all the lazy poor people.

If you have the money, by all means do YOURSELF a favor and clear the debt away, but if you are broke at the moment, like many of us, don't lose sleep over it, nothing earth shattering will happen to you.

What the fuk are you blathering on about? Who has said the above?

No the OP isn't a criminal, but they asked what their liability was - and they availed of a service so they should pay for it.

Why are some people so arrogant that they think they are above paying for services for which they owe money?

Actually I don't go on about my taxes funding layabouts at all - I am happy for my taxes to contribute towards the society of which I'm part; ditto paying my A&E bills - for a health service that serves the society of which I'm part.

PizzamanIRL

OP just pretend this thread never happened. Pretend you didn't look through papers and see that you hadn't paid them. You made an honest mistake by moving house and forgetting about the bill. Don't make another mistake by bringing it to their attention and paying it.

bob50

da_shee wrote: »

Yes I most certainly will pay it. I do not believe in anyone else footing the bill.

My query really is how do they pursue it when they don't know where I am or can't contact me.

HI Da love your honesty in wanting to pay your a&e bill.

This is a bugbear with the hospitals in Dublin alone I have on good authority estimated that at least 70% of the 100e charge is unpaid Which happens when people go to a a&e dept to get treatment instead of going to a local doc where they would have to pay at time of visit so these will go to the a&e and say their doc is closed or on hols etc and will say at the desk in a&e "post me the bill" of which they never have any intention of paying. This results in another reason of overcrowded a&e depts.

As regards does the hospital pursue you for payments St James in Dublin will post you a reminder that the bill hasn't been paid, and will give your bill over to debt collectors to collect for them. But from what I have heard from people as in above, they never have heard from any debt collectors so these bills I imagine are writtenen off at the end of year

Femme_Fatale

bob50 wrote: »

This is a bugbear with the hospitals in Dublin alone I have on good authority estimated that at least 70% of the 100e charge is unpaid Which happens when people go to a a&e dept to get treatment instead of going to a local doc where they would have to pay at time of visit so these will go to the a&e and say their doc is closed or on hols etc and will say at the desk in a&e "post me the bill" of which they never have any intention of paying. This results in another reason of overcrowded a&e depts.

And probably drives up costs (part of the reason for utility prices going up is people not paying their bills) but yeh, great approach is not to pay the charge, and then to bitch and moan about the state of the health service. Assholes.

cyning

I was in A&E a few years ago they took my health insurance details at desk and I (naively!) thought that was it. Moved house two weeks later never got a bill.

Over 3 years later in A&E again. Got a bill from the visit 3 years previously two weeks later in the post threatening legal action if I didn't pay. Was utterly mortified I might add. The charge doesn't disappear if you don't pay it.

Phoebas

da_shee wrote: »

And no one's a criminal unless they get a conviction so check your definitions on that one!

So you're saying that a bank robber who never gets caught isn't a criminal?

Pay your bill.

donegal__road

you could do what this guy does.. he draws his own money with a pen, and spends it as if it were real money... then he sells the receipt and change from the transaction to an art dealer. He has 'spent' over $400,000 worth of money that he has drawn himself with a pen (and he is a friend of mine on Facebook)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtKSqzpj0Q

Kurtosis

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Pay the bill OP it is not worth having this happen to you.

If you have someone called RobbingBandit advising you to pay you know you really should.

Lux23

I've been in A&E twice and I never paid the bill, not that I remember receiving one.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Kinda bad form to skip out on an a+e bill, of all things. Presuming you presented yourself there because of either an accident or an emergency, you're obviously still alive and well so surely they deserve paying?
You'd pay your sky bill so you could have your tv work, surely you'd pay a hospital bill since they saved your life/mended you up.

No skin off anyone else's nose tbh, your own business and all that but it's still pretty lousy, of all bills to skip out on

FanadMan

Thanks to people like you OP, my father got a bill for €375 a week before xmas. If people like you and Aidric paid their A&E bills, maybe my dad wouldn't have his medical card revoked for being €8 a month over the limit. I really hope you enjoy that €100 OP - and also hope that in a few years the HSE track you down and hit you with a massive bill with interest added.

Sorry for sounding so bitter but your whole attitude of "can I get away with this" really got to me.

gctest50

FanadMan wrote: »

............. I really hope you enjoy that €100 OP - and also hope that in a few years the HSE track you down and hit you with a massive bill with interest added. ..........

For sure, if they did a good job they should be paid


It should be taken from "source" ( wages/benefit ) if its not paid -


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15503503


http://news.stv.tv/west-central/232651-over-240-scots-holiday-makers-stopped-at-airports-for-avoiding-fines/