our new European cousins

hedgehog2

Welcome to the new Europeans who are eligible to work in Ireland from Jan 1st.
I don't think many will bother coming as the work is not there unlike 2004.
Have been to Croatia and they are really sound,fabulous looking women,never been to Romania but I hear they have a good basketball team and perhaps Ireland can poach some of the gymnastics talent from Romania for our next olympic bid.
I know a couple of girls coming here from Croatia who we met on holidays 3yrs ago,they are hoping to pick up work in the tourism sector but they saidcnot many have plans to come to Ireland due to the negativity of the recession.
The more the merrier I say as we are all part of the EU

the groutch

The Romanians, a great bunch of lads.

Lenin Skynard

Welcome, Romanians. Be prepared to hear a lot about a certain penalty shoot-out.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Dobrodosli Hrvatska

seano12

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Welcome to the new Europeans who are eligible to work in Ireland from Jan 1st.
I don't think many will bother coming as the work is not there unlike 2004.
Have been to Croatia and they are really sound,fabulous looking women,never been to Romania but I hear they have a good basketball team and perhaps Ireland can poach some of the gymnastics talent from Romania for our next olympic bid.
I know a couple of girls coming here from Croatia who we met on holidays 3yrs ago,they are hoping to pick up work in the tourism sector but they saidcnot many have plans to come to Ireland due to the negativity of the recession.
The more the merrier I say as we are all part of the EU

Mr.Barosso is that you?

Lapin

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Welcome to the new Europeans who are eligible to work in Ireland from Jan 1st.
I don't think many will bother coming as the work is not there unlike 2004.
Have been to Croatia and they are really sound,fabulous looking women,never been to Romania but I hear they have a good basketball team and perhaps Ireland can poach some of the gymnastics talent from Romania for our next olympic bid.
I know a couple of girls coming here from Croatia who we met on holidays 3yrs ago,they are hoping to pick up work in the tourism sector but they saidcnot many have plans to come to Ireland due to the negativity of the recession.
The more the merrier I say as we are all part of the EU

The employment eligibility actually applies to the Romanians and the Bulgarians OP.

NuckingFacker

I know loads of Romanians that have been here years. I find most of them dead sound. What's changed with their (Romanias) status? Do they no longer need work permits? I'm not hugely bothered -the ones I've known are all very hard-working..they're all not too fond of the Romas though.for whatever reason..that might be a different story..

Pro Hoc Vice

NuckingFacker wrote: »

I know loads of Romanians that have been here years. I find most of them dead sound. What's changed with their (Romanias) status? Do they no longer need work permits? I'm not hugely bothered -the ones I've known are all very hard-working..they're all not too fond of the Romas though.for whatever reason..that might be a different story..

They have not needed work permits since middle 2012, http://www.nascireland.org/latest-news/removal-of-work-permit-requirements-for-romanian-and-bulgarian-nationals/

Daqster

Sandra Romain finally able to work here. Nice one.

/Dusts off Sonycam

Nodin

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Welcome to the new Europeans who are eligible to work in Ireland from Jan 1st.
I don't think many will bother coming as the work is not there unlike 2004.
Have been to Croatia and they are really sound,fabulous looking women,never been to Romania but I hear they have a good basketball team and perhaps Ireland can poach some of the gymnastics talent from Romania for our next olympic bid.
I know a couple of girls coming here from Croatia who we met on holidays 3yrs ago,they are hoping to pick up work in the tourism sector but they saidcnot many have plans to come to Ireland due to the negativity of the recession.
The more the merrier I say as we are all part of the EU

Their women are safe in our hands.

JayoHatesMayo

Restrictions were dropped in the summer of 2012. They could live, work or study here, visa free, since then. http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0720/330013-bulgaria-romania-work-restrictions-dropped/

Dyr

Ever played Left 4 dead 2 when the ominous music starts and the horde comes a running? I dunno why but that music popped into my head just now

WilyCoyote

Right! That's it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBuUtvFObQE

Annasopra

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Welcome to the new Europeans who are eligible to work in Ireland from Jan 1st.

There aren't any. Bulgarians and Romanians have had this since 2012 and Croatia has had it since July 2013.

MadsL

mango salsa wrote: »

There aren't any. Bulgarians and Romanians have had this since 2012 and Croatia has had it since July 2013.

Did the world end? Pretty sure we were told the world would end when this happened. That and the Irish being a minority in their own land. Did that happen as well?

Mumble mumble mumble

Annasopra

MadsL wrote: »

Did the world end? Pretty sure we were told the world would end when this happened. That and the Irish being a minority in their own land. Did that happen as well?

Mumble mumble mumble

The UK is going to self implode in 2014 when the billions of Bulgarians and Romanians arrive

MadsL

mango salsa wrote: »

The UK is going to self implode in 2014 when the billions of Bulgarians and Romanians arrive

Good. Perhaps the Daily Mail will self-combust.

Annasopra

MadsL wrote: »

Good. Perhaps the Daily Mail will self-combust.

One can but hope.

Nodin

MadsL wrote: »

Did the world end? Pretty sure we were told the world would end when this happened. That and the Irish being a minority in their own land. Did that happen as well?

Mumble mumble mumble

It did end but the liberal meedja won't report on its because its not PC.

WilyCoyote

MadsL wrote: »

Good. Perhaps the Daily Mail will self-combust.

Ah now! You do mean The Irish Inquirer

It's a kinda Karma. Ten to fifteen years ago, droves of Irish people were buying any auld scrap of land with a pile of stones on it from Austria to the Black Sea.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

MadsL wrote: »

Good. Perhaps the Daily Mail will self-combust.

Can shít burn?

Nodin

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Can shít burn?

....certainly some animals **** can, if dried.

JayoHatesMayo

MadsL wrote: »

Good. Perhaps the Daily Mail will self-combust.

Be a good little (wo)man, read the Guardian, welcome these people with open arms and vote Labour please.

This is bad news for blue collar British workers. The last government claimed only 6k Poles would arrive. 600k actually arrived. More competition at the bottom end of the jobs market serves only to do two things; first, it makes it harder for people to get work, and second, it makes it easier for companies to exploit their workforce. When there's large amounts of unemployment, any company can quite happily get away with giving staff zero hour contracts, sh*tty unsociable hours, minimum wage, unpaid breaks, docking their pay when there's not enough work for them to do, and whatever else they can think of, because when people are desperate enough, they'll tolerate that sort of ****. The more people there are in that pool of unemployment, the more likely you are to find someone who'll accept those conditions.

It's a bad deal for Romania too. Sure, they may get remittances. But over one million Romanians have already left since they joined the EU. They are basically educating their young, only to send them off to the west to work in minimum wage positions. A glut of their young are gone, never to return.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Be a good little (wo)man, read the Guardian, welcome these people with open arms and vote Labour please.

This is bad news for blue collar British workers. The last government claimed only 6k Poles would arrive. 600k actually arrived. More competition at the bottom end of the jobs market serves only to do two things; first, it makes it harder for people to get work, and second, it makes it easier for companies to exploit their workforce. When there's large amounts of unemployment, any company can quite happily get away with giving staff zero hour contracts, sh*tty unsociable hours, minimum wage, unpaid breaks, docking their pay when there's not enough work for them to do, and whatever else they can think of, because when people are desperate enough, they'll tolerate that sort of ****. The more people there are in that pool of unemployment, the more likely you are to find someone who'll accept those conditions.

More bullshít you must own a dairy farm!

efb

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Be a good little (wo)man, read the Guardian, welcome these people with open arms and vote Labour please.

This is bad news for blue collar British workers. The last government claimed only 6k Poles would arrive. 600k actually arrived. More competition at the bottom end of the jobs market serves only to do two things; first, it makes it harder for people to get work, and second, it makes it easier for companies to exploit their workforce. When there's large amounts of unemployment, any company can quite happily get away with giving staff zero hour contracts, sh*tty unsociable hours, minimum wage, unpaid breaks, docking their pay when there's not enough work for them to do, and whatever else they can think of, because when people are desperate enough, they'll tolerate that sort of ****. The more people there are in that pool of unemployment, the more likely you are to find someone who'll accept those conditions.

Thats Sh1t UK Employment law for you. And The Middle Class Brits that like it that way

efb

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Be a good little (wo)man, read the Guardian, welcome these people with open arms and vote Labour please.

This is bad news for blue collar British workers. The last government claimed only 6k Poles would arrive. 600k actually arrived. More competition at the bottom end of the jobs market serves only to do two things; first, it makes it harder for people to get work, and second, it makes it easier for companies to exploit their workforce. When there's large amounts of unemployment, any company can quite happily get away with giving staff zero hour contracts, sh*tty unsociable hours, minimum wage, unpaid breaks, docking their pay when there's not enough work for them to do, and whatever else they can think of, because when people are desperate enough, they'll tolerate that sort of ****. The more people there are in that pool of unemployment, the more likely you are to find someone who'll accept those conditions.

It's a bad deal for Romania too. Sure, they may get remittances. But over one million Romanians have already left since they joined the EU. They are basically educating their young, only to send them off to the west to work in minimum wage positions. A glut of their young are gone, never to return.

Better than the ones that perished in Chauchesku's orphanages

Dyr

efb wrote: »

Thats Sh1t UK Employment law for you. And The Middle Class Brits that like it that way

UK employment law is usually better then ours

tbh the left will never challenge the globalist agenda because they cling to the whole self indulgent brotherhood of man hangover. No cop on

J_E

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Be a good little (wo)man, read the Guardian, welcome these people with open arms and vote Labour please.

etc etc

Aaaaand thread begins to sink from here


"any company can quite happily get away with giving staff zero hour contracts, sh*tty unsociable hours, minimum wage, unpaid breaks, docking their pay when there's not enough work for them to do, and whatever else they can think of"

Yes, it's called JobBridge

efb

Bambi wrote: »

UK employment law is usually better then ours

tbh the left will never challenge the globalist agenda because they cling to the whole self indulgent brotherhood of man hangover. No cop on

Irish Employment Law has far greater protections for the worker

JayoHatesMayo

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

More bullshít you must own a dairy farm!

Care to address the points that I made? Do you think Britain can take in an infinite number of people or something?

JayoHatesMayo

Bambi wrote: »

UK employment law is usually better then ours

tbh the left will never challenge the globalist agenda because they cling to the whole self indulgent brotherhood of man hangover. No cop on

Once we all go to hell in a handcart together.

efb

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Care to address the points that I made? Do you think Britain can take in an infinite number of people or something?

there isn't an infinite number of Bulgarians and Romanians, why the hyperbole?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Care to address the points that I made? Do you think Britain can take in an infinite number of people or something?

Every empirical study ever done on a western economy shows immigration has NOT led to wage deflation or worsening of working conditions, quite the opposite in fact.
In the case of this state the greatest period of wage growth and lowest levels of unemployment coincided with the greatest levels of inward migration.
Try a little academic research before spouting your homespun economic/labour force theories in future, or maybe the facts and empirical data don't suit your particular skewed agenda!

JayoHatesMayo

efb wrote: »

there isn't an infinite number of Bulgarians and Romanians, why the hyperbole?

More people migrate to Britain in one year, 2010, than did so from 1066 up until the 1950s. Think about that for a moment. In fact, in the nearly 900 years between 1066 and 1950 just a quarter of a million people migrated to what is now the UK, mainly Jews and Huguenots. Current inward immigration to Britain is completely unsustainable and abnormal. Adding another 10, 000/100, 000 Bulgarians and Romanians into the mix is the last thing they need. They do not have an infinite capacity to absorb migrants.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

More people migrate to Britain in one year, 2010, than did so from 1066 up until the 1950s. Think about that for a moment. In fact, in the nearly 900 years between 1066 and 1950 just a quarter of a million people migrated to what is now the UK, mainly Jews and Huguenots. Current inward immigration to Britain is completely unsustainable and abnormal. Adding another 10, 000/100, 000 Bulgarians and Romanians into the mix is the last thing they need. They do not have an infinite capacity to absorb migrants.

More lies and bullshít from the BNP bot!

JayoHatesMayo

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Every empirical study ever done on a western economy shows immigration has NOT led to wage deflation or worsening of working conditions, quite the opposite in fact.
In the case of this state the greatest period of wage growth and lowest levels of unemployment coincided with the greatest levels of inward migration.
Try a little academic research before spouting your homespun economic/labour force theories in future, or maybe the facts and empirical data don't suit your particular skewed agenda!

No. Empirical studies show that controlled and highly skilled immigration definitely benefits the economy. Low skilled mass immigration does not. There is a massive difference between the two. Saying all immigration is good is as dumb as claiming that all immigration is bad. It is about finding a right balance, welcoming and integrating highly skilled people, while protecting your own working class population.

efb

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

More people migrate to Britain in one year, 2010, than did so from 1066 up until the 1950s. Think about that for a moment. In fact, in the nearly 900 years between 1066 and 1950 just a quarter of a million people migrated to what is now the UK, mainly Jews and Huguenots. Current inward immigration to Britain is completely unsustainable and abnormal. Adding another 10, 000/100, 000 Bulgarians and Romanians into the mix is the last thing they need. They do not have an infinite capacity to absorb migrants.

Source?

Howard Juneau

Bulgarian women scare me....no woman should have a stronger tache than Tom Selleck.

JayoHatesMayo

efb wrote: »

Source?

David Goodhart, The British Dream, 2013(pg 274).

I cannot upload the book. But here is an online review. First, Goodhart demolishes what he calls the “immigrationist myth”. This is the proposition, spun by the political elite for the last quarter century, that Britain is a mongrel nation that has always been open to outside arrivals. As he painstakingly demonstrates, this is almost completely untrue: “From 1066 until 1950 immigration was almost non-existent – about 50,000 Huguenots in the 16th and 17th century, about 150,000 Jews in two waves, and perhaps one million or more Irish over 200 years, during which time they were internal migrants within one state.” More immigrants now arrive on British shores in a single year than they did in the entire period from 1066 to 1950, excluding war flows and the Irish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9986465/The-British-Dream-by-David-Goodhart-and-The-Diversity-Illusion-by-Ed-West-review.html

JayoHatesMayo

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

More lies and bullshít from the BNP bot!

I've given my source. No need to be so angry. Go get laid.

Jonkenji

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

No. Empirical studies show that controlled and highly skilled immigration definitely benefits the economy. Low skilled mass immigration does not. There is a massive difference between the two. Saying all immigration is good is as dumb as claiming that all immigration is bad. It is about finding a right balance, welcoming and integrating highly skilled people, while protecting your own working class population.

You won't get anywhere arguing against immigration with people. Almost every one of the 20+ million Syrians would be much better off living in Ireland than their own war-torn country at the moment. And to be honest they need our country a LOT more than Bulgarians/Romanians/Croatians. But yeah, immigration = good, opposing immigration = bad is the general consensus. Why don't we open our doors to those poor refugees also?

J_E

Jonkenji wrote: »

But yeah, immigration = good, opposing immigration = bad is the general consensus. Why don't we open our doors to those poor refugees also?

Ireland didn't seem too concerned about this fleeing to America not too long ago.

biko

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

More lies and bullshít from the BNP bot!

Feel free to counter using your own sources. Trying to smear other posters is so blasé and makes you look weak.

JayoHatesMayo

Jonkenji wrote: »

You won't get anywhere arguing against immigration with people. Almost every one of the 20+ million Syrians would be much better off living in Ireland than their own war-torn country at the moment. And to be honest they need our country a LOT more than Bulgarians/Romanians/Croatians. But yeah, immigration = good, opposing immigration = bad is the general consensus. Why don't we open our doors to those poor refugees also?

Opinion polls in Ireland, Britain and the rest of Europe show that the majority of people want immigration curtailed.

Ireland.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2008/0910/ireland/66-want-immigration-clampdown-72014.html

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Majority-of-Irish-want-fewer-immigrants-in-Ireland-72525702.html

Britain and Europe.

http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/europeans-overwhelmingly-immigra-news-507074

Note that I have been asked for and provided a source for my claims. Yet the other poster who claimed that every empirical study shows that all immigration is beneficial, has not.

Dyr

Cydoniac wrote: »

Ireland didn't seem too concerned about this fleeing to America not too long ago.

Standard issue red herring rebuttal number 1 deployed cap'n

J_E

Bambi wrote: »

Standard issue red herring rebuttal number 1 deployed cap'n

Yeah, admittedly that was a bit of a cop out. My heart isn't in it to do these Boards arguments anymore

JayoHatesMayo

Cydoniac wrote: »

Ireland didn't seem too concerned about this fleeing to America not too long ago.

At the time, America was a new world, continent sized country with the natural resources to match. Today, Ireland is a relatively prosperous, bankrupt rock with few natural resources. You cannot really compare the two. Every country on the planet, bar perhaps North Korea, has had high numbers of emigrants migrating to America. Should that mean that we all should throw open our borders?

JayoHatesMayo

Howard Juneau wrote: »

Bulgarian women scare me....no woman should have a stronger tache than Tom Selleck.

Are you sure that they were women? Were you over indulging in the Rakia?

MadsL

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

David Goodhart, The British Dream, 2013(pg 274).

Goodhart argues that low-skilled immigrants have taken jobs from unskilled natives, leaving them languishing on benefits, while high-skilled immigration reduces both the incentives and opportunities for ambitious and talented natives to move up the ladder. Many find this thesis convincing, and it has been accepted as fact by much of the political elite. There is, however, almost no evidence to support it.

Goodhart gives a fair summary of the current consensus about the effects of immigration on the labour market. It comes in two parts. First, in the medium to long term the ‘lump of labour’ fallacy is just that: it isn’t true that the number of jobs in the economy is fixed, and more jobs for immigrants doesn’t mean fewer for natives.

So, to put it bluntly, if you’re going to be white, British and poor, all the statistical evidence suggests you’d be better off being born in Merton – or anywhere else in London, surrounded by immigrants – than in the mostly white areas where educational outcomes, in particular, are worse.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n12/jonathan-portes/an-exercise-in-scapegoating
Jonathan Portes is the director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research.

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

At the time, America was a new world, continent sized country with the natural resources to match. Today, Ireland is a relatively prosperous, bankrupt rock with few natural resources. You cannot really compare the two. Every country on the planet, bar perhaps North Korea, has had high numbers of emigrants migrating to America. Should that mean that we all should throw open our borders?

Throw open...got to love the emotive language. Do me a favour and stop the scaremongering twaddle.

Foxhound38

I know loads of Romanians here - some of the hardest workers and soundest people I have ever met.

The Roma are a bit different, with different hurdles to climb. The differences between them and other Romanians and Bulgarians could be compared to the differences in culture between Irish settled people and travellers, but an even wider gap (and the fact that the Roma actually hail from India).

The Roma have been massively oppressed and ignored for hundreds of years and don't tend to have much education or opportunities across Europe. Parts of their culture don't lend themselves to fixing their problems or providing them with more opportunities, and like our own travellers they need to make more of an effort to integrate into wider society - but it's a two way street.

lostdisk

Bulgaria is battoning down the hatches for the influx of Western Europeans I hear. lol.


Swiss had the right idea all along. Keep out of it. This attitude must cause ire among the hippies of boards. Not having a policy on this is retarded. We should curtail numbers from Rom/Bul until 2030 at least.