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Mom puts baby on Gumtree for £150,000 on Boxing Day - two sons get taken into care

  • 28-12-2013 3:44pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    Mother ‘tried to sell baby’ with Gumtree advert asking for £150,000

    A young woman who apparently tried to sell her baby on the classifieds website Gumtree has had her children taken away by social services.

    The unnamed 20-year-old from Bradford posted an advert offering to sell a four-month-old baby boy for £150,000, adding he “comes with everything included” and “deposit needed as sick of time wasters”.

    Initially posted on Boxing Day under the heading “baby for sale”, the advert has since been taken down by Gumtree.

    Yet that wasn’t before it had received scores of complaints, and a number of users also contacted the police. The woman was tracked down and her two boys were removed from her care by social workers.

    Detective Inspector Vanessa Smith told the Bradford Telegraph and Argus: “We are aware of this matter and the child concerned, who is both fit and well, is now being looked after in conjunction with relatives and social services.

    “The mother is receiving appropriate care and support at this time.”

    While no criminal charges are expected, local children’s services councillor Ralph Berry said the case was “breathtaking”.

    He said: “It is shocking to hear about, but the priority has to be the welfare of the child, that’s what the law says.”

    Last night the woman, a single mother, spoke about how a “silly, silly joke” had led to police officers coming to her house to take away her children.

    She told the Mail: “I had been joking with my ex about selling sperm and eggs and he sort of dared me to put up a baby for sale – but I didn’t mean our children.”

    “I put on Gumtree that I was selling a baby for £150,000. I just plucked that number out of thin air and I claimed I was acting as an agent for a friend.

    “It was very stupid and I shouldn’t have done it, but I didn’t think it would be taken seriously.

    “I love my boys and they make me so happy and I want them to be happy. It was just a silly, silly joke.”


    I think this is a little bit of an overreaction. I know authorities have to mindful of protecting children but surely they also have to allow for stupidity too. We live in a age where people instead of joking aloud, will post that joke online instead.

    I can remember my parents saying that they'd sell me to the circus if I didn't stop climbing on top of the shed. Perhaps if it was today they might put an ad up on Gumtree to wind me up.

    Am I wrong here? Did they do the right thing or have they overreacted a little, as I feel they have?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    wont somebody think of the children.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Swap for anything in my ads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    St. Stephen's Day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    aidoh wrote: »
    St. Stephen's Day.

    Boxing Day....this happened in the UK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Days 298


    Bit of an overreaction. Obviously a joke with the sick of time-wasters bit.

    Once saw a 22 year old IT graduate for sale on donedeal a good while back for €200 "who's handy with tools ;-)" and more stuff along those lines.Wonder if it was legit now....


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kiera Creamy Puppeteer


    Considering we've ads like this, what an overreaction





  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    aidoh wrote: »
    St. Stephen's Day.

    There's always one...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    I think the authorities are right to take the ad at face value.

    Imagine if something did happen to the kids... 'But they knew the mother put an ad on the paper selling her kid and yet they did nothing about it!'

    I can easily believe people would sell their kid for £150k and be dumb enough to try gumtree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Days 298


    aidoh wrote: »
    St. Stephen's Day.

    They took our religion outta the holidays!!


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Days 298 wrote: »
    Bit of an overreaction. Obviously a joke with the sick of time-wasters bit.

    Yeah that kind of gave it away for me too.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭hotbabe1992


    I think the mindset of her must not be right though putting a child up on gumtree for 150 k what if somebody actually replied to the ad in a serious manner and wanted to take the child.

    I wonder was she half joking half not?You know?


    Some peoples minds work in funny ways..I wonder on some level was she frustrated with her child..


    I will reserve judgement on it until i know the full context of it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Absolute Mint baby for sale.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Absolute Mint baby for sale.

    No placenta kickers!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    aidoh wrote: »
    St. Stephen's Day.
    Boxing Day....this happened in the UK

    Mum or Mam - it happened in the UK

    Seriously, what's with this Mom business in Ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Days 298


    mike65 wrote: »
    Mum or Mam - it happened in the UK

    Seriously, what's with this Mom business in Ireland?

    The vocabulary police are in town.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    I think the mindset of her must not be right though putting a child up on gumtree for 150 k what if somebody actually replied to the ad in a serious manner and wanted to take the child.

    I wonder was she half joking half not?You know?

    No.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 602 ✭✭✭hotbabe1992


    It said near the bottom of the article she was joking around with her ex...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Days 298 wrote: »
    The vocabulary police are in town.

    Bobbies not police :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭Dude111


    Daqster wrote:
    Am I wrong here? Did they do the right thing or have they overreacted a little, as I feel they have?
    Yes I think they did BUT SHE IS UNSTABLE!!!!!

    Why would anyone even THINK TO DO THIS??

    I hope the kids find people WHO REALLY LOVE THEM!! (I dont think its her)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    mike65 wrote: »
    Seriously, what's with this Mom business in Ireland?

    Well, can only speak for myself but in American Pie, I fancied Stifler's Mom and I also liked the Mom in the video for the song Stacy's Mom.

    So started using it ever since. Damn, thought it made me sound transatlantic and windswept.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Daqster wrote: »
    So started using it ever since. Damn, thought it made me sound transatlantic and windswept.

    Way to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    That'll be the next thing Mammy's say when they want their kids to do something

    "Clean that room of yours or I'll sell ya"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Oh...

    I thought it was another Daily Mail article

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    If that's all it takes for the social to take your kids from you I'd say some evil child could make an account in their parents name and put up an ad like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    It appears that she did it as a silly joke, by her own admission.

    Still it is understandable that the authorities stepped in; if everyone started with silly jokes like that it could be used as cover for people who actually do sell and buy people online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    mint condition baby one genuine lady owner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    catallus wrote: »
    It appears that she did it as a silly joke, by her own admission.

    Still it is understandable that the authorities stepped in; if everyone started with silly jokes like that it could be used as cover for people who actually do sell and buy people online.

    Do you think humans are really bought and sold on gumtree?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Do you think humans are really bought and sold on gumtree?

    I get mine on ebaby


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Do you think humans are really bought and sold on gumtree?

    No but if you had 50 people on gumtree putting up such offers as jokes then it could be used as cover for actual traffickers, I think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    If she didn't get caught would it still have been a silly joke?


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kiera Creamy Puppeteer


    If she didn't get caught would it still have been a silly joke?

    Yes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭systemicrisk


    Dude111 wrote: »
    Yes I think they did BUT SHE IS UNSTABLE!!!!!

    Why would anyone even THINK TO DO THIS??

    I hope the kids find people WHO REALLY LOVE THEM!! (I dont think its her)

    Dude we dont have enough info to tell whether or not she is unstable or not. It may have just been a joke. Stupid alright but not necessarily serious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Must be more to the story than that if social welfare got involved. Despite what some people think they don't just take kids away for the hell of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Oh, she said it was a joke. Ah, okay case closed. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Everyone knows you dont buy babies. They advertise them as being great but they have cheap kidneys. I always order the parts online and build it myself, better quality and works out cheaper. I tend to have a spare personality operating system lying around anyway.

    Wonder if she would take 20 and deliver. I could swap out a few parts and sell it on for a profit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Considering some women have auctioned their virginity off, I would't really doubt it.

    Also, sometimes it could also be a case where the child may not be theirs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    the_syco wrote: »
    Considering some women have auctioned their virginity off, I would't really doubt it.

    Also, sometimes it could also be a case where the child may not be theirs.
    Now that's really freaky! :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Must be more to the story than that if social welfare got involved. Despite what some people think they don't just take kids away for the hell of it.

    something something blond hair blue eye children taken.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    something something blond hair blue eye children taken.....

    You mean the case of the Romanians in Greece?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    You mean the case of the Romanians in Greece?

    No the 2 kids taken here


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    No the 2 kids taken here

    Indeed. Better safe than sorry, that's what I always say, particularly after the Greek case of the Romanian selling the kid to the other Romanians.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    Sounds funny to me :) fair play to her :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 GoAheadCaller


    "err yea... a joke... that's what it was mr policeman... cough."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Limecube


    Total overreaction. In other news, 3 kids at 20 years old, ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    aidoh wrote: »
    St. Stephen's Day.
    Boxing Day....this happened in the UK
    Yawns wrote: »
    There's always one...


    Rubbish! It's the Wren Day


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Let's face it, There's been times I'd have given somebody 150k to them away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    Limecube wrote: »
    Total overreaction. In other news, 3 kids at 20 years old, ffs.

    Not sure whether she had 2 or 3. Single mum also by all accounts. Not sure if she works or if she has council funded accommodation. Also not sure whether the kids all have different fathers or whether the father(s) contribute maintenance etc.

    A lot of questions remain unanswered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Not sure whether she had 2 or 3. Single mum also by all accounts. Not sure if she works or if she has council funded accommodation. Also not sure whether the kids all have different fathers or whether the father(s) contribute maintenance etc.

    A lot of questions remain unanswered.

    They're not so much questions as glaringly sneaky insinuations used to make a general point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Indeed. Better safe than sorry, that's what I always say, particularly after the Greek case of the Romanian selling the kid to the other Romanians.

    Taking biological children off biological parents just because they don't look like them ? That's better safe than sorry ? Funny that they left the other kids with suspected kidnappers was it not .... Nothing to do with safe than sorry. Was the HSE jumping on a band waggon looking to get loads of praise for saving poor kidnapped children... Going for the nuclear option when it was clearly not needed and then looking like fools when the children turned out to be biological related to the parents..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    Taking biological children off biological parents just because they don't look like them ? That's better safe than sorry ? Funny that they left the other kids with suspected kidnappers was it not .... Nothing to do with safe than sorry. Was the HSE jumping on a band waggon looking to get loads of praise for saving poor kidnapped children... Going for the nuclear option when it was clearly not needed and then looking like fools when the children turned out to be biological related to the parents..

    Was the Romanian kid in Greece the biological child? Would it have been better to leave her be?

    My understanding of the main case in Ireland was that the parents gave false / misleading information about the date of birth that the Gardaí were unable to verify, and the parents were unable to supply valid documentation.

    For the other case in Ireland, was the child even taken from the parents?


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