(Part worn tyres) Food for thought

toyotaavensis

I know that this website might have an agenda and that part worn tyres can be safe if inspected properly but I saw this and thought others might think there is some value in watching it.

I have never fitted part worns myself but have considered it in the past. I have about 2 and a bit mm of thread on the front tyres (bridgestones) of my car. These are going to be changed at the cars next service in a few weeks time. Having seen this video my thoughts on partworns are gone. It will be €100 a pop for two new tyres.

http://www.tyresafe.org/tyre-safety/part-worn-tyres

Chris_Heilong

toyotaavensis wrote: »

I know that this website might have an agenda and that part worn tyres can be safe if inspected properly but I saw this and thought others might think there is some value in watching it.

I have never fitted part worns myself but have considered it in the past. I have about 2 and a bit mm of thread on the front tyres (bridgestones) of my car. These are going to be changed at the cars next service in a few weeks time. Having seen this video my thoughts on partworns are gone. It will be €100 a pop for two new tyres.

http://www.tyresafe.org/tyre-safety/part-worn-tyres

They are talking about defective tyres being sold as part worns, Part worns are fine if you buy from the right places, my part worns cost 70 each and have 80% thread left, not dangerous at all.

toyotaavensis

Just to quote myself "part worn tyres can be safe if inspected properly"

I am not saying that people shouldnt use part worns or that they should. I just think that this website has some information people might like to know.

Mister Man

I'd never buy part-worn tyres myself, regardless - As your man said, they've been removed already from a car/van/truck. Why were they removed...?
No way of telling the truth behind why the tyres were removed.

I've had a blow out on a part-worn tyre before on the motorway, two days after purchasing my car(Was told the tyres were new)
Scared the ****e out of me. Also found out that the the wheel nuts miss matched and the wheel brace could only get at two of them. Spent a good hour flagging several cars down until I finally got a mechanic.
Went to get a new tyre, and guy said it was due to metal (Like in the video) rubbing the tyre. He even brought the old tyre out and showed it to me. Said he could fit another part-worn tyre if I like for 50(I think...) I opted for the new for €100 and have no regrets.
While he was at it, he checked the others to make sure they were ok, and said they were all fine.

*edit*
Just so everyone knows, I'm not saying all part-worns are a loads of ****e, but I just wouldn't trust them regardless anymore.

Jesus.

I'm always wary of people like the guy in the video rubbishing things that might be hurting the pockets of big manufacturers. I've come across it many times in my line of work where anything that might be saving the consumer a few quid is set upon with vigor by the big businesses that make their fortunes out of products that consumers can't do without which they consequently overcharge for.

The OP may well be right but beware of scaremongering.

Nixer Jim

Just like anything bought second hand, you must be extra cautious in your inspection of the goods. Good quality, premium brand part worn tyres are considerably safer than new Wing Wang Wongs from China.

The tyre industry doesn't like the sale of part worns and for obvious reasons, it impacts on their profits. Don't buy into the propoganda.

Bigus

I'd prefer part worn michelins to brand new nankangs, or the like,and I have replaced all four Chinese tyres on cars to branded part worns on a few cars , which then, utterly changed the whole cars attitude, handling , ride and comfort, for the better ,

one low mileage car which before changing the tyres, from Chinese to part worn michelins (2) and pirellis (2), went from something I suspected might have been clocked to a car that drove and good as a new one, unbelievable.

Tallaght tyres supply great,personally inspected part worns that they get in from Germany.

serious3

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

Bigus

serious3 wrote: »

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

Have they transformed the car ?

bazz26

OP, do you change all 4 tryes straight away on any used car you have bought as those are part worn too?

Jesus.

serious3 wrote: »

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

That's a good point! I hadn't thought of that!!!

colm_mcm

Got 2 part worn Good Years October 2012, just changed them last week for 2 part worn Bridgestones from the same place. I've been using the same place for ages and never had an issue.
I always get ones with lots of thread. €35 each for 205/55R16, I wouldn't buy cheapo new ones.

keithclancy

They can be good value but not always.

Check how much tread is left on them and the age.

They should be x-rayed for sidewall damage and checked for flat spots.

I'd say the Irish crowds are making a killing off these 'German' tyres, I know a guy that owns a big place in Venlo. They get reputable brands for between 8 and 12 euros a tyre in bulk from Germany.

on eBay a mate of mine was making good money off buying tyres locally in Germany and then selling them in the UK for a 3-4 times what he paid for them.

Best sale when he picked up a set of Michelin ALPIN A4s, just a year old for 25 euros (yer man had misspelled Michelin or something)

Managed to sell them for 180 quid sterling in the UK.

djimi

Tire place I was in last week had a big poster on the wall about the evils of part worn tires (something along the lines of "you wouldnt use someone elses waste" and a picture of a rotten apple core). This was the same place that had initially tried to sell me Triangle tires or some such similar ****e. I laughed.

Nothing wrong with part worns, provided they are inspected properly. Every car on the road is running part worns of some description after all!

ninty9er

You've got to wonder why part-worn tyres are available. If the car they came off is on the scrap heap, I'd like to think the tyres would be too.

colm_mcm

ninty9er wrote: »

You've got to wonder why part-worn tyres are available. If the car they came off is on the scrap heap, I'd like to think the tyres would be too.

I know someone (neighbour) who recently put €380 worth of tyres on a €300 car which is now without a working engine.

el pasco

toyotaavensis wrote: »

I know that this website might have an agenda and that part worn tyres can be safe if inspected properly but I saw this and thought others might think there is some value in watching it.

I have never fitted part worns myself but have considered it in the past. I have about 2 and a bit mm of thread on the front tyres (bridgestones) of my car. These are going to be changed at the cars next service in a few weeks time. Having seen this video my thoughts on partworns are gone. It will be €100 a pop for two new tyres.

http://www.tyresafe.org/tyre-safety/part-worn-tyres

Per mm wear that you get out of them new tyres are usually always cheaper

el pasco

keithclancy wrote: »

They can be good value but not always.

Check how much tread is left on them and the age.

They should be x-rayed for sidewall damage and checked for flat spots.

I'd say the Irish crowds are making a killing off these 'German' tyres, I know a guy that owns a big place in Venlo. They get reputable brands for between 8 and 12 euros a tyre in bulk from Germany.

on eBay a mate of mine was making good money off buying tyres locally in Germany and then selling them in the UK for a 3-4 times what he paid for them.

Best sale when he picked up a set of Michelin ALPIN A4s, just a year old for 25 euros (yer man had misspelled Michelin or something)

Managed to sell them for 180 quid sterling in the UK.

The problem is if you buy certified used tyres that put up the prices meaning they're not as cheap

colm_mcm

el pasco wrote: »

Per mm wear that you get out of them new tyres are usually always cheaper

I'm not so sure, in my case, the Bridgestones I got are €97 each, I got mine for €35 each.
For new ones to be better value, there'd have to be 2.7 times the tread mm on the new ones compared to the PWs.

Jesus.

Doesn't a bloke who's being driving for a good few years know a decent set of tyres when he sees them anyway?

I would hope I'd be able to tell a well worn one from a partly worn one just by looking at it. I mean its kind of obvious, isn't it?

JJJJNR

reuse recycle etc.. i think summer tyres are fine as part worn, the use of winter tyres part worn is questionable as its recommended to change at 4mm so i dont know how effective they are once you go below that.

coylemj

ninty9er wrote: »

You've got to wonder why part-worn tyres are available. If the car they came off is on the scrap heap, I'd like to think the tyres would be too.

That's exactly what the tyre trade would like you to think. If you apply your mind to it, you may come up with a different answer.....

The car they came off is more likely to have been traded in to a main dealer and the old tyres taken off as part of the standard procedure of being tarted up for a sale with a service, valet and new rubber. Nothing sinister about the practice at all.

For every secondhand car in a main dealer forecourt, there is a set of four part-worn tyres lying somewhere waiting for an owner to use the remaining rubber. I currently have 3-4mm tread on my tyres, there are thousands of part-worn tyres sitting in yards all over the country with more tread than that, most of them are perfectly safe to fit to your car.

Scortho

coylemj wrote: »

That's exactly what the tyre trade would like you to think. If you apply your mind to it, you may come up with a different answer.....

The car they came off is more likely to have been traded in to a main dealer and the old tyres taken off as part of the standard procedure of being tarted up for a sale with a service, valet and new rubber. Nothing sinister about the practice at all.

For every secondhand car in a main dealer forecourt, there is a set of four part-worn tyres lying somewhere waiting for an owner to use the remaining rubber. I currently have 3-4mm tread on my tyres, there are thousands of part-worn tyres sitting in yards all over the country with more tread than that, most of them are perfectly safe to fit to your car.

The only thing sinister with the good tyres getting replaced was that they probably put triangles on instead

ION08

Typical propaganda bull****.

Wouldnt be surprised if SIMI came up with a similar campaign trying to convince people used cars are dangerous and everybody should buy new :rolleyes:

keithclancy

el pasco wrote: »

The problem is if you buy certified used tyres that put up the prices meaning they're not as cheap

Certified by who ?

His tyres come from a center that's TÜV Certified.

There is no International certification for Part Worn Tyres as far as I know.

gctest50

ninty9er wrote: »

You've got to wonder why part-worn tyres are available. If the car they came off is on the scrap heap, I'd like to think the tyres would be too.

Winter tyres are mandatory in Germany/Finland/Austria/Sweden and a few more afaik

Maybe tyre-fitters there won't remount used tyres ?

_Kaiser_

Got 2 part-worn 18" Michelin's last week with about 70/80% left on them for €100. Have done about 700 km of mostly motorway on them since and not a bother!

A lot more palatable than the €90-130 each I was being quoted for new/lesser brands.

keithclancy

gctest50 wrote: »

Winter tyres are mandatory in Germany/Finland/Austria/Sweden and a few more afaik

Maybe tyre-fitters there won't remount used tyres ?

Nope, most if not all of them offer a storage option and most people would keep a set at home on crappy steel rims.

Myself I have a set of spare original Volvo alloys (205/55/R16) that I picked up in Dusseldorf-Hamm for 280 euros including a set of Vredestein Winters.

AFAIK the bulk of the supply comes from the massive leasing market in Germany.

They won't put one person part worns on another car though.

Guy:Incognito

serious3 wrote: »

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

Have you bounced up any kerbs in them? You know how they've been treated and if they've had any repairs. You don't know with 2nd hand tyres . I've bought them in the past but to say it's the same as tyres you've bought and used yourself is not true .

CJhaughey

ION08 wrote: »

Typical propaganda bull****.

Wouldnt be surprised if SIMI came up with a similar campaign trying to convince people used cars are dangerous and everybody should buy new :rolleyes:

This is already happening, not SIMI which are just a dealers grouping but the RSA have a consultation on the use of Part worn Tyres.
http://rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/Vehicle-Standards/Information-Notes-Consultations--EU-proposals-/Consultations-/Active-Consultations/Part-worn-tyres/

Guy:Incognito

serious3 wrote: »

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

Have you bounced up any kerbs in them? You know how they've been treated and if they've had any repairs. You don't know with 2nd hand tyres . I've bought them in the past but to say it's the same as tyres you've bought and used yourself is not true .

Bigus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Have you bounced up any kerbs in them? You know how they've been treated and if they've had any repairs. You don't know with 2nd hand tyres . I've bought them in the past but to say it's the same as tyres you've bought and used yourself is not true .

It is if you let somebody else drive your car unsupervised.

coylemj

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Have you bounced up any kerbs in them? You know how they've been treated and if they've had any repairs. You don't know with 2nd hand tyres . I've bought them in the past but to say it's the same as tyres you've bought and used yourself is not true .

As has already been pointed out, that also applies if you buy a secondhand car in a private deal. What you are implying is that in such a case the new owner should rush out and buy a new set of rubber, regardless of how much tread is on the tyres.

keithclancy

coylemj wrote: »

As has already been pointed out, that also applies if you buy a secondhand car in a private deal. What you are implying is that in such a case the new owner should rush out and buy a new set of rubber, regardless of how much tread is on the tyres.

Not really... but with a second hand car there's risk that something is wrong with it.

I think its more around implying that Part Worn Tyres are the same as New ones, they are not and the price indicates that.

Scortho

keithclancy wrote: »

Not really... but with a second hand car there's risk that something is wrong with it.

I think its more around implying that Part Worn Tyres are the same as New ones, they are not and the price indicates that.

Would you rather part worn Bridgestone turanzas with 70% left or brand new wanlis?
Im sorry but I'd take the part worns every time.

coylemj

keithclancy wrote: »

Not really... but with a second hand car there's risk that something is wrong with it.

I think its more around implying that Part Worn Tyres are the same as New ones, they are not and the price indicates that.

I'm not sure what point you're making. A secondhand car can have all sorts of problems, just as there can be hidden faults with part-worn tyres. I mentioned secondhand cars simply to point out that in a private sale, a set of part-worn tyres is almost always part of the deal.

Nobody is 'implying' that part-worn tyres are in any respect the same as new ones.

keithclancy

coylemj wrote: »

I'm not sure what point you're making. A secondhand car can have all sorts of problems, just as there can be hidden faults with part-worn tyres. I mentioned secondhand cars simply to point out that in a private sale, a set of part-worn tyres is almost always part of the deal.

Nobody is 'implying' that part-worn tyres are in any respect the same as new ones.

Point being they are not the same as new tyres, that is all.
If your feeling is different then that is the case.

Scortho wrote: »

Would you rather part worn Bridgestone turanzas with 70% left or brand new wanlis?
Im sorry but I'd take the part worns every time.

I already buy part worns as per my previous post.

70% left ... what tread depth is that, how old are the tyres ?

toyotaavensis

Was away the last few days only back now.

bazz26 wrote: »

OP, do you change all 4 tryes straight away on any used car you have bought as those are part worn too?

Go back and reread my posts. I didnt say that people should or should not buy part worns. I came across some information in the form of a video which, if it is a true and fair reflection of reality is very worrying. I thought posting the link here might be useful as it would lead to an interesting discussion on the topic. Comments regarding part worns - v - chinese rubber etc made by a few lads ave valid reasoned and logical but this post by you seems a bit pointess. FYI I have only ever bought two cars. When I test drove both there was almost no meat left on the tyres so part of the deal was that the car came with new bridgestones.

serious3 wrote: »

sure aren't all cars driving around on part worn tyres? i fitted 4 brand new uniroyal rainsports 2 weeks ago, they are now officially part worns therefore they must be dangerous and taken off immediately!

Did you actually look at the video?