Why the impatience?

Pinch Flat

So I'm out this morning in Dublin, drive to the Phoenix park with the family and in laws. On the way, my father in law is sitting up front and we are commenting about how impatient people are - Stephens morning, doing the speed limit on suburban roads and some a$$ is driving 6 inches behind you. A fella at a set of lights 'swan necks' around a car in front, almost causing an accident in the process.

But to top it off - when I do get to the park I stop at a raised pedestrian crossing to let a woman cross with a pram. Unbelievably, some stupid woman behind me overtakes me from the rear, barges across the pedestrian crossing, almost taking the woman and pram out of it. I follow her in to the park - she's got what looks like her own partner and kids and they decamp beside us. I was going to tell her what an ar$ehole she was, but my own wife convinced me not to.

So what is it - impatience or just pure lack of manners? What can be that urgent that you would risk other peoples lives in such a reckless way?

bazz26

Probably in a mad hurry to get that €5 off that bargain the shops couldn't sell up to 2 days ago.

Anan1

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you're needlessly delaying other road users?

Renegade Mechanic

Society in general is changing. This year in particular.. On the roads, they are even less forgiving or tolerant and more stupid, stubborn, belligerent and just plain ignorant than ever before. I sat as a passenger in a tow truck last week and after -and I kid you not- eight minutes of watching people speed up to stop him pulling out, my colleague just snapped and drove out. The horn blowing, virile abuse and obscenities that burst forth on Christmas week no less made me laugh uncontrollably for about five minutes. What else can you do? (And before the herd of Equus Altitudus tramples the place, no. We werent pulling out onto a motorway..). Anyway people just dont care anymore. Theyre sick of everything at this stage so its only natural that irritability transfers over into the control of a vehicle. It sucks but thats just where things are going.

Pinch Flat

Anan1 wrote: »

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you're needlessly delaying other road users?

Ha yeah good one. Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross. What a moronic comment (and the person that thanked it). What's the solution, might I ask?

Renegade Mechanic

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ha yeah good one. Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross. What a moronic comment (and the person that thanked it). What's the solution, might I ask?

Obviously nitrous oxide and a massive bull bar :rolleyes:

vibe666

Anan1 wrote: »

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you're needlessly delaying other road users?

or maybe you're just trolling threads as usual or you just can't read English?

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Stephens morning, doing the speed limit on suburban roads and some a$$ is driving 6 inches behind you.

rwg

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ha yeah good one. Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross. What a moronic comment (and the person that thanked it). What's the solution, might I ask?

Hardly moronic, I live on a main road and have to reverse out of the driveway to enter the road, I partially reverse out first, and then I can see clearly when its safe to enter the road, probably about once every 2/3 weeks a driver is driving up the main road and sees my car protruding from the driveway and stops in the middle of the main road to let me out - and this is with cars behind them - to top it off I've even had them flash lights at me for not thanking them for letting me out - unbelievable!!

In your case I believe the same might have happened which is completely unsafe imo - you see someone wanting to cross the road, then stop in the middle of the road with little consideration for the drivers behind. Pedestrians crossing, and cars wanting to join traffic, have to wait until it is safe to do so. Drivers stopping in the road for these instances are endangering other road user - common sense I believe.

djimi

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ha yeah good one. Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross. What a moronic comment (and the person that thanked it). What's the solution, might I ask?

Youll get those kind of comments on here when you bring up this sort of topic. Fact is, if you are driving at (or reasonably close to, conditions permitting) the speed limit as you claim then you are not holding anyone. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to seriously re-evaluate their driving style.

djimi

rwg wrote: »

Hardly moronic, I live on a main road and have to reverse out of the driveway to enter the road, I partially reverse out first, and then I can see clearly when its safe to enter the road, probably about once every 2/3 weeks a driver is driving up the main road and sees my car protruding from the driveway and stops in the middle of the main road to let me out - and this is with cars behind them - to top it off I've even had them flash lights at me for not thanking them for letting me out - unbelievable!!

In your case I believe the same might have happened which is completely unsafe imo - you see someone wanting to cross the road, then stop in the middle of the road with little consideration for the drivers behind. Pedestrians crossing, and cars wanting to join traffic, have to wait until it is safe to do so. Drivers stopping in the road for these instances are endangering other road user - common sense I believe.

You realise you have to stop at pedestrian crossings, yeah? Thats what they are there for.

Pinch Flat

djimi wrote: »

You realise you have to stop at pedestrian crossings, yeah? Thats what they are there for.

To be clear - I had stopped at the crossing (not a signal controlled one). The person behind me was not there when I stopped - she must have had plain view of me stopped and the lady with the pram crossing. I see absolutely nothing wrong with what I did and see the person behind me as being 100% at fault.

EazyD

Anan1 wrote: »

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you're needlessly delaying other road users?

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is do you understand the ROR? From what your suggesting, mowing through a pedestrian crossing is preferable to causing a minor delay for someone behind you.

Pinch Flat

rwg wrote: »

Hardly moronic, I live on a main road and have to reverse out of the driveway to enter the road, I partially reverse out first, and then I can see clearly when its safe to enter the road, probably about once every 2/3 weeks a driver is driving up the main road and sees my car protruding from the driveway and stops in the middle of the main road to let me out - and this is with cars behind them - to top it off I've even had them flash lights at me for not thanking them for letting me out - unbelievable!!

In your case I believe the same might have happened which is completely unsafe imo - you see someone wanting to cross the road, then stop in the middle of the road with little consideration for the drivers behind. Pedestrians crossing, and cars wanting to join traffic, have to wait until it is safe to do so. Drivers stopping in the road for these instances are endangering other road user - common sense I believe.

Read my reply above. I approached the crossing with no one behind me. Absolutely nothing wrong with what I did.

rwg

djimi wrote: »

You realise you have to stop at pedestrian crossings, yeah? Thats what they are there for.

I do, I was making a point against "moronic" labeling directed towards the poster - I didn't see their perspective as "moronic".

EazyD

rwg wrote: »

I do, I was making a point against "moronic" labeling directed towards the poster - I didn't see their perspective as "moronic".

Ploughing through a pedestrian crossing is not moronic?

the_syco

Pinch Flat wrote: »

So what is it - impatience or just pure lack of manners? What can be that urgent that you would risk other peoples lives in such a reckless way?

It's just bad driving. I notice a lot more stupid driving, and I think the recession has put some people off the roads, only for them to come back on certain days.

I notice less manners as well. I let people pull out, and seven out of ten times, you'd get a wave, flash of the lights etc. But recently that has dropped to maybe three of ten times. I still let people out, but I now discriminate against certain categories of drivers.

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross.

Be careful doing this. In estates especially, I will mostly drive around stopped cars, as most of the times they're stopped whilst talking on the phone, or parked. The only times I do not drive around parked cars is if I see that they're letting a car coming towards them progress (eg; if there's only space for one car to fit through).

Just to be clear, I'm referring to cars stopping randomly (esp just around a corner) to allow pedestrians to cross, as opposed to stopping before a marked pedestrian crossing.

rwg wrote: »

Hardly moronic, I live on a main road and have to reverse out of the driveway to enter the road

What prevents you from reversing into the driveway? I ask as you'll be in the wrong if someone ever hits you (even if it's their own fault) whilst you're reversing out.

ottostreet

rwg wrote: »

Hardly moronic, I live on a main road and have to reverse out of the driveway to enter the road, I partially reverse out first, and then I can see clearly when its safe to enter the road, probably about once every 2/3 weeks a driver is driving up the main road and sees my car protruding from the driveway and stops in the middle of the main road to let me out - and this is with cars behind them - to top it off I've even had them flash lights at me for not thanking them for letting me out - unbelievable!!

In your case I believe the same might have happened which is completely unsafe imo - you see someone wanting to cross the road, then stop in the middle of the road with little consideration for the drivers behind. Pedestrians crossing, and cars wanting to join traffic, have to wait until it is safe to do so. Drivers stopping in the road for these instances are endangering other road user - common sense I believe.

Don't think you're allowed reverse onto main roads?

Anan1

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ha yeah good one. Driving through my estate at the 50 kph limit and letting pedestrians cross. What a moronic comment (and the person that thanked it). What's the solution, might I ask?

It's not a comment, it's a question. I don't know how you drive, so I can't comment on your case. I have, however, listened to enough drivers criticize the 'aggression' of other road users whom they're needlessly delaying to make it a fair question. Why do find the question so upsetting?

dharn

This thread is a microcosm of society ,..turns in to an argument rapid like !

rwg

the_syco wrote: »

What prevents you from reversing into the driveway? I ask as you'll be in the wrong if someone ever hits you (even if it's their own fault) whilst you're reversing out.

Sometimes I do reverse in - this would depend on the amount of traffic on the road - sometimes its just not safe, regardless of who is at fault. Either way, I can see enough of the road when reversing out to ensure safety.

djimi

Anan1 wrote: »

It's not a comment, it's a question. I don't know how you drive, so I can't comment on your case. I have, however, listened to enough drivers criticize the 'aggression' of other road users whom they're needlessly delaying to make it a fair question. Why do find the question so upsetting?

The OP has said that they were driving at the speed limit. If we are to take them at their word then they were not needlessly delaying anyone.

Anan1

dharn wrote: »

This thread is a microcosm of society ,..turns in to an argument rapid like !

OP criticizes the aggression or other drivers, and yet OP responds aggressively to my question, presumably because they find it threatening. I'm starting to wonder whether the OP isn't simply a nervous driver.

rwg

ottostreet wrote: »

Don't think you're allowed reverse onto main roads?

first ive heard - any documentation on this?

Anan1

djimi wrote: »

The OP has said that they were driving at the speed limit. If we are to take them at their word then they were not needlessly delaying anyone.

Any moderately experienced driver will tell you that the above statement is nonsense. Speed is only one of many factors that can needlessly inconvenience other road users.

rwg

EazyD wrote: »

Ploughing through a pedestrian crossing is not moronic?

can you direct me to the part where the poster quoted this?

Dubl07

Anan1 wrote: »

OP criticizes the aggression or other drivers, and yet OP responds aggressively to my question, presumably because they find it threatening. I'm starting to wonder whether the OP isn't simply a nervous driver.

MIL wouldn't rise to your bait so you've come on boards? :rolleyes:

ironclaw

rwg wrote: »

first ive heard - any documentation on this?

rwg wrote: »

Sometimes I do reverse in - this would depend on the amount of traffic on the road - sometimes its just not safe, regardless of who is at fault. Either way, I can see enough of the road when reversing out to ensure safety.

I thought it was common knowledge. You should never reverse onto a road. Obviously the definition of 'major' road is debatable but I'd personally consider that everything but a quiet housing estate, even then you'll be at fault if someone hits you or you hit someone.

"A driver shall not reverse on to a major road from another road, or whenever his vision is such that to reverse would be likely to endanger other traffic or pedestrians."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/si/0294.html

Should probably add, its a penalty point offence.

bumper234

Can't believe there are people (who presumably drive?) who are slating op for following the rules of the road and stopping at a pedestrian crossing as legaly required!

Anan1

ironclaw wrote: »

I thought it was common knowledge. You should never reverse onto a road. Obviously the definition of 'major' road is debatable but I'd personally consider that everything but a quiet housing estate, even then you'll be at fault if someone hits you or you hit someone.

"A driver shall not reverse on to a major road from another road, or whenever his vision is such that to reverse would be likely to endanger other traffic or pedestrians."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/si/0294.html

Should probably add, its a penalty point offence.

I don't see anything there that prohibits what rwg was doing?

rwg

I'm no lawyer, but I'm thinking "from another road" excludes me from this, and as previously stated, my vision is clear to reverse without endangering motorists / pedestrians.

dr.fuzzenstein

Anan1 wrote: »

I suppose the first thing you need to ask yourself is whether you're needlessly delaying other road users?

And Anan in there true to form to take up the opposing side for the sake of it.
What's it like saying only stuff you don't believe in just to pay the quarhawk?
I'm sorry, but I can't believe anything you say, you are not sincere and sometimes behave like a teenager, but your arguments are more mature than that.
Angry guy in your mid 30's, intelligent and unfulfilled in your job because you don't feel challenged?
You only take up an opposing viewpoint to stir it up, the hallmark of a troll.

Pinch Flat

Anan1 wrote: »

It's not a comment, it's a question. I don't know how you drive, so I can't comment on your case. I have, however, listened to enough drivers criticize the 'aggression' of other road users whom they're needlessly delaying to make it a fair question. Why do find the question so upsetting?

I'm struggling with the concept of 'needlessly delaying' others that some drivers seem to have. Can you explain this to me please?

In both circumstances (someone driving up my a$$ and giving away to a mother and her pram at the ped crossing) I obeyed traffic law 100%.

Pinch Flat

Anan1 wrote: »

OP criticizes the aggression or other drivers, and yet OP responds aggressively to my question, presumably because they find it threatening. I'm starting to wonder whether the OP isn't simply a nervous driver.

I find it disconcerting that there's an expectation of other road users that some others (who are perceived to be 'holding them up') should break the law and risk other's life. In the case (the one where I was overtaken by al lady heading into dead-end car park) she saved her self 5 seconds, tops.

Pinch Flat

Anan1 wrote: »

Any moderately experienced driver will tell you that the above statement is nonsense. Speed is only one of many factors that can needlessly inconvenience other road users.

One of my neighbours kids was killed by a driver doing 80 km/h in a 50km/h zone. I would love to explain this one to them.

Anan1

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And Anan in there true to form to take up the opposing side for the sake of it.
What's it like saying only stuff you don't believe in just to pay the quarhawk?
I'm sorry, but I can't believe anything you say, you are not sincere and sometimes behave like a teenager, but your arguments are more mature than that.
Angry guy in your mid 30's, intelligent and unfulfilled in your job because you don't feel challenged?
You only take up an opposing viewpoint to stir it up, the hallmark of a troll.

... and onto the ignore list you finally go.

rwg

whupdedo wrote: »

Your a moronic moron

did you construct that sentence yourself? well done you

Scortho

I think everyone has overreacted to what anan1 raised in his first post.
That There are drivers out there who needlessly delay other drivers which leads to some drivers overtaking them.
We've all been behind them. The people who drive at 30 km/h below the speed limit when there's no need to because they're afraid they'll crash, or the person who sits in the overtaking lane on the motorway at 100 km/h and not overtaking anyone.
That driver needlessly delays all other drivers as a result which leads people to be impatient and overtake them.

In the ops case I don't actually think he was delaying other drivers, but at the same time if I can legitimately jump the queue at lights I probably will.
The woman who nearly knocked someone down because of her impatience was wrong, the person who was tailgating was wrong but I don't think the person who jumped the queue was wrong, provided he did it legitimately.

ottostreet

Aaa and that's enough motors forum for today.

djimi

Anan1 wrote: »

Any moderately experienced driver will tell you that the above statement is nonsense. Speed is only one of many factors that can needlessly inconvenience other road users.

Okay Ill bite. If Im travelling at the speed limit then what other factors about my driving could possibly be needlessly delaying other road users?

Aineoil

I don't want to deflect this thread, but it's not just motorists that are impatient. Driving through Ennis last week was a nightmare.

Some pedestrians just wandered out onto the roads in town with no due care for their own safety.

Supergurrier

Some people just live in their own little bubble unfortunately

Scortho

djimi wrote: »

Okay Ill bite. If Im travelling at the speed limit then what other factors about my driving could possibly be needlessly delaying other road users?

You driving in the overtaking lane when your not overtaking anyone.

djimi

Scortho wrote: »

You driving in the overtaking lane when your not overtaking anyone.

Yes okay well I thought the really obvious just went without saying

Aineoil

djimi wrote: »

Okay Ill bite. If Im travelling at the speed limit then what other factors about my driving could possibly be needlessly delaying other road users?

Some motorists see the speed limit as a number they have to attain.

Others like myself will see the speed limit as a number to stay under.

whupdedo

Scortho wrote: »

You driving in the overtaking lane when your not overtaking anyone.

Even though driving in overtaking lane when not overtaking is not right, you still wouldn't be delaying anyone if you were driving at the speed limit, if they were overtaking you when you were at the speed limit they would be in the wrong because they were speeding

Sittingpretty

whupdedo wrote: »

Even though driving in overtaking lane when not overtaking is not right, you still wouldn't be delaying anyone if you were driving at the speed limit, if they were overtaking you when you were at the speed limit they would be in the wrong because they were speeding

Doesn't justify as good reason to drive in outside lane.

Aineoil

whupdedo wrote: »

Even though driving in overtaking lane when not overtaking is not right, you still wouldn't be delaying anyone if you were driving at the speed limit, if they were overtaking you when you were at the speed limit they would be in the wrong because they were speeding

I agree with you totally.

Scortho

djimi wrote: »

Yes okay well I thought the really obvious just went without saying

Clearly not when any time I drive on the m50 and there's someone on the overtaking lane not overtaking anyone!

Aineoil

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Doesn't justify as good reason to drive in outside lane.

I agree with you too. It's one of my pet hates.

Pinch Flat

Ok, so there are two schools of thought out there - one who will drive safely at the speed limit (let's not bring motorways into this - a different matter and outside my own experience this morning) and those who see motorists who drive at the speed limit and obeying pedestrian crossings as "holding them up". Last check this was thanked by seven people in anan's earlier post. None of these people have advised what should be done (legally or otherwise) when faced in this situation. Would be interested to hear how a law abiding driver should deal with a driver "being held up".

Scortho

whupdedo wrote: »

Even though driving in overtaking lane when not overtaking is not right, you still wouldn't be delaying anyone if you were driving at the speed limit, if they were overtaking you when you were at the speed limit they would be in the wrong because they were speeding

I'm sorry but if you wanted to become a guard then you should have, if you are a guard then you should be out doing your job.
It isn't you're responsibility or place to stop other drivers driving 10 km/h over the speed limit.