For all you Dublin bay yachties

fergal.b

Here is a new place where you can talk the talk and walk the plank if Steve feels your not pulling the right ropes:D Have fun and remember your always welcome back when you get an engine :P http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1622

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Steve

fergal.b wrote: »

Here is a new place where you can talk the talk and walk the plank if Steve feels your not pulling the right ropes:D Have fun and remember your always welcome back when you get an engine :P http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1622

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Thanks for the shout Fergal, much appreciated.

For all: The new forum is specifically for sailing (as in white flappy things powering your boat) in Dublin Bay and surrounding areas, this forum is still here for general questions / discussion on sailing and boating.

fergal.b

Get them out of here they all talk pants to me or should I say "salopettes" :P





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miss no stars

Without wanting to rain on the parade...

Why?

S&B isn't exactly the most heavily trafficked forum on here, there's a core of, what, 10?, posters on here. The scope of the other one also seems fairly limited. Topics relating to sailing in Dublin bay. A whole heap of the sailing discussion on here isn't related to Dublin bay, it's just general sailing discussion. Like salopettes - absolutely nothing got to do with Dublin bay and relevant to all sailors. It would still belong in S&B. So why split it up into two separate forums (one in hosted where nobody will stumble across it anyway)? Would it not make more sense to have a sub-forum in here?

My own take on it is that having sailing and motor-boating topics in the one place makes sense. We can all learn from each other, we usually laugh at all the same jokes, many of the same regulations apply. That's aside from the number of yachts with engines who go out motoring! The forum's actually doing pretty well, there's regular discussion and interaction on here.

I'm just curious as to what reasoning is behind splitting it up? And not alone splitting it up but I have to ask, why Dublin Bay specifically? Why not Dublin, thus including the biggest yacht club in the country....?

pedroeibar1

miss no stars wrote: »

And not alone splitting it up but I have to ask, why Dublin Bay specifically? Why not Dublin, thus including the biggest yacht club in the country....?

I would have thought that DBSC is the biggest, followed by the Alfred?

the beer revolu

miss no stars wrote: »

Without wanting to rain on the parade...

Why?

S&B isn't exactly the most heavily trafficked forum on here, there's a core of, what, 10?, posters on here. The scope of the other one also seems fairly limited. Topics relating to sailing in Dublin bay. A whole heap of the sailing discussion on here isn't related to Dublin bay, it's just general sailing discussion. Like salopettes - absolutely nothing got to do with Dublin bay and relevant to all sailors. It would still belong in S&B. So why split it up into two separate forums (one in hosted where nobody will stumble across it anyway)? Would it not make more sense to have a sub-forum in here?

My own take on it is that having sailing and motor-boating topics in the one place makes sense. We can all learn from each other, we usually laugh at all the same jokes, many of the same regulations apply. That's aside from the number of yachts with engines who go out motoring! The forum's actually doing pretty well, there's regular discussion and interaction on here.

I'm just curious as to what reasoning is behind splitting it up? And not alone splitting it up but I have to ask, why Dublin Bay specifically? Why not Dublin, thus including the biggest yacht club in the country....?

I strongly agree. I'm not a very regular poster here but I lurk a lot. I'm based in Cork, occasionally sail in Dublin Bay, row and have an interest in all things boats. This single forum is perfect for me. I would probably never visit a DB sailing forum but might contribute to a DB thread here.

miss no stars

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I would have thought that DBSC is the biggest, followed by the Alfred?

Firstly, aren't they a racing club rather than a yacht club?

Secondly, their site says membership is 1300. Current HYC membership is over 1700.

neris

miss no stars wrote: »

Firstly, aren't they a racing club rather than a yacht club?

Secondly, their site says membership is 1300. Current HYC membership is over 1700.

Howth is biggest club, dbsc is a combination of clubs for racing.

Steve

miss no stars wrote: »

Without wanting to rain on the parade...

Why?

S&B isn't exactly the most heavily trafficked forum on here, there's a core of, what, 10?, posters on here. The scope of the other one also seems fairly limited. Topics relating to sailing in Dublin bay. A whole heap of the sailing discussion on here isn't related to Dublin bay, it's just general sailing discussion. Like salopettes - absolutely nothing got to do with Dublin bay and relevant to all sailors. It would still belong in S&B. So why split it up into two separate forums (one in hosted where nobody will stumble across it anyway)? Would it not make more sense to have a sub-forum in here?

My own take on it is that having sailing and motor-boating topics in the one place makes sense. We can all learn from each other, we usually laugh at all the same jokes, many of the same regulations apply. That's aside from the number of yachts with engines who go out motoring! The forum's actually doing pretty well, there's regular discussion and interaction on here.

I'm just curious as to what reasoning is behind splitting it up? And not alone splitting it up but I have to ask, why Dublin Bay specifically? Why not Dublin, thus including the biggest yacht club in the country....?

Very good question there miss no stars and I shall attempt to answer.

First, we shall in no way be (intentionally) taking traffic from this forum, in fact if there are topics posted there that are more suited here then we'll move them, questions about which trousers are best will still belong here. I love this forum, it has a great following and I really don't want to damage that.

Secondly, we (well Vexorg did ) chose the name 'Dublin Bay Sailing' because that's where we sail. Fact is that there is no real 'social center' for DBSC and we hope to promote this as a place that we can connect and discuss the local going's on.. If that works then well and good if not then so be it.

Why limit the geographic location?

Again, it's down to where myself and Vex sail, no real reason other than that. We're not excluding anyone - in fact if the forum gains critical mass then there's no reason why it couldn't become a sub forum here. There's also no reason why it couldn't be the 'Dublin Sailing / Racing forum' or in some eventuality, the 'Irish Yacht Racing' forum... Nobody can tell how this will end up

HYC vs DBSC... not going to comment there other than to say I am a member of both since I was a nipper / their inception and I don't care which is 'bigger'.

The main thing as far as I'm concerned is to protect the craic and community spirit that is already here and to build on that and certainly not 'split' it..

Stheno

Steve wrote: »

Very good question there miss no stars and I shall attempt to answer.

First, we shall in no way be (intentionally) taking traffic from this forum, in fact if there are topics posted there that are more suited here then we'll move them, questions about which trousers are best will still belong here. I love this forum, it has a great following and I really don't want to damage that.

Secondly, we (well Vexorg did ) chose the name 'Dublin Bay Sailing' because that's where we sail. Fact is that there is no real 'social center' for DBSC and we hope to promote this as a place that we can connect and discuss the local going's on.. If that works then well and good if not then so be it.

Why limit the geographic location?

Again, it's down to where myself and Vex sail, no real reason other than that. We're not excluding anyone - in fact if the forum gains critical mass then there's no reason why it couldn't become a sub forum here. There's also no reason why it couldn't be the 'Dublin Sailing / Racing forum' or in some eventuality, the 'Irish Yacht Racing' forum... Nobody can tell how this will end up

HYC vs DBSC... not going to comment there other than to say I am a member of both since I was a nipper / their inception and I don't care which is 'bigger'.

The main thing as far as I'm concerned is to protect the craic and community spirit that is already here and to build on that and certainly not 'split' it..

I kinda like the idea, I sometimes find that the S&B forum is very general.

If it's all about those white flappy things, I think it has potential for good discussion about the weirdness of what happens when your ability to move is controlled by the white flappy things

I've sailed in both Howth and DBSC and like each equally but for different reasons. Don't see the new hosted forum as being exclusive as it has links etc to HYC, perhaps the name is wrong and implies exclusivity, but I like the idea. Hopefully it will work

fergal.b

[QUOTE=Steve;88102607 questions about which trousers are best will still belong here.[/QUOTE]

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pedroeibar1

miss no stars wrote: »

Firstly, aren't they a racing club rather than a yacht club?

Secondly, their site says membership is 1300. Current HYC membership is over 1700.

Firstly, it depends only on how you define a yacht club. For me a yacht club should be about being afloat, not sitting on a balcony drinking gin. Not that I’m opposed to either activity of course, but in moderation.... (sitting on the balcony I mean.);) Back when I raced in Dublin Bay & did ISORAS, HYC did not even have a balcony...

Neither the Alfred nor DBSC have premises (the pier starting hut hardly counts, even if it had a well-stocked ‘bar’ when I last manned the line) but their role was and is hugely important in sailing. One of the founder members of the Alfred was William Cooper, the man who wrote ‘the manual’ on yachting in the mid 1800’s, a first, and which remained THE book for yachtsmen on these islands until about 1900. Prior to Cooper and ‘Corinthian’ sailing, almost all yacht owners had paid skippers and crew, and then stepped aboard when the work was done and watched. All the best Irish long-range cruising men (e.g. Gore-Booth of Lissadell took his boat to the Arctic in the 1800’s) were RAYC members. The Alfred organises several ‘long’ races each season which (when I raced) were infinitely more interesting for Dun L. boats than for e.g. Howth Regatta, (usually a plod to Baldoyle mark followed by a sail around Lambay, the Eye and finish.) Not sure if the RAYC still puts together entries for team racing, but they used to, and competed o/seas. It also ran the Superleague (which included Howth Regatta and another Howth race) in its +/- dozen events every season.

Long before other clubs had proper – or any - junior sections DBSC had a junior section with premises at the back of the West Pier in Dun L. and even today it provides ‘race control’ for Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday racing in Dublin Bay. To take part in DBSC racing in Dublin Bay the yachts must be skippered by a member and have X no. members as crew, same rules apply for RAYC races. So, membership is drawn from the four waterfront clubs in DL plus Howth (for those brave enough to venture past the Baily ), therefore both RAYC & DBSC memberships surely outnumber Howth YC membership?

Secondly, despite the ‘more than 2,000 members’ claim on the HYC website, I have a serious doubt about that figure, given membership of waterfront clubs in DL and knowing of the attrition in both yacht and golf clubs around Ireland since 2008.

As for the Dublin Bay board, it is daft where it is accompanying 'Skateparks' and 'Spurs supporters' and if it should have an existence it should be a sub-forum here, and posts/threads about clothing should be written in pink lettering:p.

neris

Rather then getting into fights over whos clubs bigger all the dublin bay clubs & howth need to encourage their members to cross the bay. The lambay this year had a poor turn out of d.l boats however only 1 howth boat crossed the bay for the dbsc/class3 regatta. When i started keelboat racing in the mid 90s sizeable fleets from both sides of the bay crossed for the super leagues and autumn leagues. (many an enjoyable trip back to howth after a few pints in d.l & 1 year a.l racing in howth was delayed bcoz the dart got delayed)

I know time and financial constraints put pressure on owners and crew but there cant be an us and them over there attitude. It gets quite boring racing the same boats week in week out.

pedroeibar1

I agree fully, Neris; DBSC/RAYC and waterfront clubs are different animals and are not comparable. Both serve different purposes.

I don’t have a dog in the fight because I don’t have a boat in the Bay anymore. When I did we always entered Howth Regatta, did the Lambay race, any Alfreds that started in Howth and the ISORAs that started/finished there. We had great racing and as you said for regattas and for the superleague races a big fleet always went over from DL. Very competitive stuff and great crack. We knew exactly which Howth boat was our ‘enemy’ and had to be beaten, just as they did when they came over for the DL Alfreds/regattas. However ,people rarely stayed for drinks as time and tide waits for no man - most people do not realise that the Baily is only half way and yachties will know what the tide is like there. I was living abroad when the DL Marina opened and wonder if that had an impact on the camaraderie......... but even before it, in DL most crews congregated in their own clubs and there was not much traffic between the George/Irish/National.

Crossing the Bay does require an effort, so I cannot see mid-week or regular Saturdays ever catching on, but it also is why I still support the tenets of the RAYC & DBSC - because on a few days every season they over-ride parochialism and organise racing than can be both interesting and very competitive.
PS Lambay is an awfully boring race, inevitably straight lines, sometimes impossible to finish due to lack of wind, so a waste of time for a DL boat to come all that way......