SAY NO TO ABORTION banner

kevin65

Saw four assh*les standing in my local village today holding a large 'SAY NO TO ABORTION' banner at the side of the main road.

Who are these people?
Where do they come from?
What do they hope to achieve?

johnmcdnl

kevin65 wrote: »

Saw four assh*les standing in my local village today holding a large 'SAY NO TO ABORTION' banner at the side of the main road.

Who are these people?
Where do they come from?
What do they hope to achieve?

-People who don't believe in abortions
-Every section of society
-Preventing the legalisation of abortion

Seachmall

kevin65 wrote: »

Who are these people?

Campaigners.

Where do they come from?

Possibly from your village or surrounding area.

What do they hope to achieve?

Bring greater attention to their cause.


Hope that helps.

frag420

Say no to banners!!

Sunnyisland

kevin65 wrote: »

Saw four assh*les standing in my local village today holding a large 'SAY NO TO ABORTION' banner at the side of the main road.

Who are these people?
Where do they come from?
What do they hope to achieve?

They are people who want you to say no to abortion.

All over the country.

To change people's mind if they agree with abortion.

I don't think there a...holes just people with a different opinion to mine.

FouxDaFaFa

Sounds better than the ones who go around parading pictures of stillborns.

Chucken

frag420 wrote: »

Say no to banners!!

Up The Banner!

SeaDaily

I think op's questions have been comprehensively answered here.

/thread

hfallada

I think those type of people are horrible. They are generally coffin dodgers who have to much free time on their hands. If I was a women I don't know if I would have an abortion. But if I was a women in an abusive relationship and knew it was an environment totally unsuitable for a child I would have one( foster is a bit of a joke in this country)

I don't think you should ever judge someone for having an abortion until you are in their shoes.

padd b1975

hfallada wrote: »

I think those type of people are horrible. They are generally coffin dodgers who have to much free time on their hands. If I was a women I don't know if I would have an abortion. But if I was a women in an abusive relationship and knew it was an environment totally unsuitable for a child I would have one( foster is a bit of a joke in this country)
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I don't think you should ever judge someone for having an abortion until you are in their shoes.

Would it not be better to terminate the abusive relationship rather than the life of your unborn child?

lucky333

Such a tough topic. Gets everyone angry. I'd imagine its never an easy choice to make.

kevin65

I don't believe in it myself, but I resent people imposing their opinions on me.

Even though I don't agree with what they are doing, I am not going to stand on the side of the road with a sign saying 'SAY NO TO PEOPLE WHO STAND ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD SAYING NO TO ABORTION'

littlejp

kevin65 wrote: »

I don't believe in it myself, but I resent people imposing their opinions on me.

Did they chase you down the road shouting about it?
Holding a banner doesn't sound very imposing.
Do you resent the Government putting up road signs imposing their directions on you?

seenitall

padd b1975 wrote: »

Would it not be better to terminate the abusive relationship rather than the life of your unborn potential child?

Maybe, maybe not. It should be the woman's call to make.

Nodin

kevin65 wrote: »

I don't believe in it myself, but I resent people imposing their opinions on me.

Even though I don't agree with what they are doing, I am not going to stand on the side of the road with a sign saying 'SAY NO TO PEOPLE WHO STAND ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD SAYING NO TO ABORTION'

There is one thing you could do in reply, but it's a fairly difficult thing to perform.....

UCDVet

seenitall wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not. It should be the woman's call to make.

I'm don't have a good answer for how things 'should' be - but that always struck me as odd.

If a man says, 'Hey - that's not *MY* responsibility; women have babies. She can raise her baby if she wants....it is *HER* choice' - then he's a sexist pig. I keep hearing how men should have an equal role and equal responsibility....it seems like that should include an equal choice in abortion.

Herb Powell

realies wrote: »

I don't think there a...holes just people with a different opinion to mine.

I actually do think they're assholes, and their opinion is a harmful one.

B0jangles

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm don't have a good answer for how things 'should' be - but that always struck me as odd.

If a man says, 'Hey - that's not *MY* responsibility; women have babies. She can raise her baby if she wants....it is *HER* choice' - then he's a sexist pig. I keep hearing how men should have an equal role and equal responsibility....it seems like that should include an equal choice in abortion.

When he can become pregnant he can have an equal say in whether or not to continue with the pregnancy.

seenitall

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm don't have a good answer for how things 'should' be - but that always struck me as odd.

If a man says, 'Hey - that's not *MY* responsibility; women have babies. She can raise her baby if she wants....it is *HER* choice' - then he's a sexist pig. I keep hearing how men should have an equal role and equal responsibility....it seems like that should include an equal choice in abortion.

Equal choice in abortion is impossible, due to biology. If you want to redress this natural imbalance retrospectively by means of legal abdication of responsibilty for fathers, I'd have time for that argument. But not before the actual abortion is legal and safe for the women of this country.

UCDVet

B0jangles wrote: »

When he can become pregnant he can have an equal say in whether or not to continue with the pregnancy.

I'm not saying that line of thinking is *wrong*; if that's the stance you want to take - I'm not disagreeing.

But it is that exact same line of thinking that is used to say that it's the woman's job to raise the child. Hey - I'm just a guy, the day *I* have a baby, I'll raise it. Until then, all I did was sleep with some chick. If she didn't want to get pregnant, she should have done something about it herself. Not my problem. Not my choice.

I'm not for or against that line of thinking; but I find it hypocritical when people say things like, 'It takes two people to make a baby and both of them have a responsibility to the child' and in the next breath says, 'Except that the Woman has 100% say in whether to have the baby, because it's her choice'.

Equal when convenient.
Not equal when not.

If a guy having sex with a woman implicitly agrees to being on the hook to support a child, it seems fair that a woman implicitly agree to being on the hook to carry the child to term if the Father wants to raise it.

But to each their own.

I'm actually pro-abortion, but I think it should take both parent's agreement to be done without some sort of legal process for extenuating circumstances.

seenitall

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm actually pro-abortion, but I think it should take both parent's agreement to be done without some sort of legal process for extenuating circumstances.

LOL. No, you're not.

And the term is pro-choice. Big difference.

Dyr

In fairness the goons you see in the anti abortion crowd are usually the best argument for abortion so more power to em

UCDVet

seenitall wrote: »

Equal choice in abortion is impossible, due to biology. If you want to redress this natural imbalance retrospectively by means of legal abdication of responsibilty for fathers, I'd have time for that argument. But not before the actual abortion is legal and safe for the women of this country.

Equal choice in careers is impossible, due to biology. I'm not going to hire a woman who is likely to get pregnant when I can hire a man who won't.

Same logic, just applied differently.

We have lots of laws to address imbalances in nature.

B0jangles

I am in favour of limiting the decision on whether or not to go through with a pregnancy to the person experiencing that pregnancy.

Once the pregnancy is completed there is another person to be considered - the baby.

Those who are responsible for creating that baby should be responsible for its well-being and maintenance.

What you are suggesting is that pregnant women should be required either to abort if the father does not want the baby or to continue with the pregnancy if he does want it.

Very mediaeval thinking.

seenitall

UCDVet wrote: »

Equal choice in careers is impossible, due to biology. I'm not going to hire a woman who is likely to get pregnant when I can hire a man who won't.

Same logic, just applied differently.

We have lots of laws to address imbalances in nature.

No, it's not impossible. The employers make it so, not biology.

Too Tough To Die

Spurs a goal down.

UCDVet

seenitall wrote: »

LOL. No, you're not.

And the term is pro-choice. Big difference.

Please don't tell me what I am. I probably know me a lot better than you know me.

I am, quite literally, pro-abortion. I think all children should be brought into this world *intentionally*. I believe people who decide to have children are better prepared for raising children. I also believe (and there is a lot of research to support this) that a lot of social problems are cyclical in nature....a child raised in a bad household environment with ill-prepared parents are more likely to cause problems for society AND are more likely to have children they are ill-prepared to raise.

So, not only do I believe people should have the CHOICE to have an abortion, I think it should be actively encouraged. When my wife and I sit down and say, 'Okay, let's have a child...' then, sure, that's one thing. Anything else, by default, I believe should be an abortion.

But I also believe it should take both the Mother and the Father to get an abortion. Exceptions for medical issues should be made, of course. That reflects the biological differences....and if the Mother and Father disagree, there should be a legal process that (if I had my way) would strongly encourage abortion. That would be consistent with other laws that dictate both parents are responsible for the child.

Anyway, my beliefs might be silly, and might not work, but I'm pretty sure they are mine So, yes, I am pro-abortion.

Lapin

The Pool had a good win.

UCDVet

seenitall wrote: »

No, it's not impossible. The employers make it so, not biology.

Women can get pregnant.
Men cannot.

That's biology.
The law says employers can't fire women for being pregnant. They have to give them maternity benefit. That's the law trying to account for biological differences.

seenitall

Righty-oh, UCD. I see where you're coming from now.

I won't even try to begin to explain everything I find disturbing about your post.

But I take back my view that you're not what you say you are.

UCDVet

seenitall wrote: »

Righty-oh, UCD. I see where you're coming from now.

I won't even try to begin to explain everything I find disturbing about your post.

But I take back my view that you're not what you say you are.

Fair enough

I think most of my views have some logical consistency about them; but might not really be appropriate in the real world.

And many people would find them disturbing.

seenitall

UCDVet wrote: »

Women can get pregnant.
Men cannot.

That's biology.
The law says employers can't fire women for being pregnant. They have to give them maternity benefit. That's the law trying to account for biological differences.

Yes, the same way the law could, hypothetically, account for biological differences by fathers being able to abdicate their part in creating a child. NOT forcing a woman to have an abortion she doesn't want to have, or have the baby she doesn't want to have. Because you won't find the same analogy for the invasion of bodily integrity in any Employment guidelines.

Donalh

B0jangles wrote: »

When he can become pregnant he can have an equal say in whether or not to continue with the pregnancy.

Absolutely gauls me that there are still people who think that men dont have a say. Just speak to a man who has had the choice taken out of this hands and see how it has impacted his life. I agree with UCDvet, when we say men should have an equal role and equal responsibility with child rearing then men should also have some input into the decision to abort or not (bar of course if the womans health/life is at risk.

seenitall

Donalh wrote: »

Absolutely gauls me that there are still people who think that men dont have a say. Just speak to a man who has had the choice taken out of this hands and see how it has impacted his life. I agree with UCDvet, when we say men should have an equal role and equal responsibility with child rearing then men should also have some input into the decision to abort or not (bar of course if the womans health/life is at risk.

Some input, fine.

When it comes down to brass tacks, the one who bears the brunt of pregnancy on their body is the one who should be left with the final decision.

Zen65

UCDVet wrote: »

Equal choice in careers is impossible, due to biology. I'm not going to hire a woman who is likely to get pregnant when I can hire a man who won't.

I've hired several pregnant women. Sometimes I knew, sometimes I didn't. It's not really an issue. Some of the guys I hired turned out to have drug habits, or worse. That's much more relevant than whether or not the woman might get pregnant.

Z

ProfessorPlum

UCDVet wrote: »

Women can get pregnant.
Men cannot.

That's biology.
The law says employers can't fire women for being pregnant. They have to give them maternity benefit. That's the law trying to account for biological differences.

Employers don't have to give women maternity benefit. They have to give them the time off, and they have to give their job back to them after their leave, but they certainly don't have to pay them.

UCDVet

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Employers don't have to give women maternity benefit. They have to give them the time off, and they have to give their job back to them after their leave, but they certainly don't have to pay them.

A legal right to time off and a guarantee of a job sounds like a benefit to me?

KieranWX

I don't mean to cause offense to anti abortion supporters but you are blinded by book full of nonsense. You say these fetuses should have rights? Are you saying a woman who is a victim of rape doesn't have rights to abort a child? The crap you people come out with makes me want to slap you all. You speak of rights? I ain't religious and I think God doesn't exist and that it's a nonsense fairytale, but do I go burning down churches and holding banners made by sweatshop kids in China? No, of course not, because everyone has rights, and abortion isn't your right to take away

ProfessorPlum

UCDVet wrote: »

A legal right to time off and a guarantee of a job sounds like a benefit to me?

Do you expect them to just drop the child during lunch break and then carry on regardless? I assumed when you used the term 'maternity benefit' you were actually referring to 'maternity benefit', which is a payment made by the DSW. Excuse me for being confused by your use of language.

Anti-choice people (a much more accurate term than pro-life) infuriate me. In this case though, if it is just a few people standing on the side of the road holding up some silly banner (as opposed to the organised campaigns of lies and intimidation orchestrated by the likes of fascist thugs like Youth Defence) then they're not really doing much out of the way. It's not like a pro-choice person driving past will see the banner and think "No to abortion? Why I never thought of it that way. That's my mind changed!"

Best to ignore them rather than bother to engage with them.

suicide_circus

Pro/anti choice. ..mmmmm sanitised

_Redzer_

Don't like abortion, don't get one.

Don't get why this is such a big deal. There are legitimate reasons to have an abortion.

KieranWX

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Don't like abortion, don't get one.

Don't get why this such a big deal. There are legitimate reasons to have an abortion.

Finally someone with a working brain cells

Oakboy

Bambi wrote: »

In fairness the goons you see in the anti abortion crowd are usually the best argument for abortion so more power to em

There are any amount of goons in the pro choice crowd too. No need for generalisations, in fairness

Cosmicfox

While I think they're twats in general, standing by the road with a banner is not as bad as some of the stuff they get up to and easily ignored.

seenitall

Cosmicfox wrote: »

While I think they're twats in general, standing by the road with a banner is not as bad as some of the stuff they get up to and easily ignored.

True, and there is going to be a hell of a lot worse to come once all their worst fears come true. :rolleyes:

padd b1975

KieranWX wrote: »

I don't mean to cause offense to anti abortion supporters but you are blinded by book full of nonsense. You say these fetuses should have rights? Are you saying a woman who is a victim of rape doesn't have rights to abort a child? The crap you people come out with makes me want to slap you all. You speak of rights? I ain't religious and I think God doesn't exist and that it's a nonsense fairytale, but do I go burning down churches and holding banners made by sweatshop kids in China? No, of course not, because everyone has rights, and abortion isn't your right to take away

So just the violent urges then?

padd b1975

UCDVet wrote: »

Fair enough

I think most of my views have some logical consistency about them; but might not really be appropriate in the real world.

And many people would find them disturbing.

Fair play to you for not hiding behind some PC term for what is in effect advocating abortion.

Respect to you.

Howard Juneau

"Abortions for all ! Buy 2 & get a third for free!"
"Hurry on down to abortiontown"
Love their tv adverts

seenitall

padd b1975 wrote: »

Fair play to you for not hiding behind some PC term for what is in effect advocating abortion.

Respect to you.

Yes, because advocating the choice to abortion over the abortion per se makes all the pro-choicers hypocrites.

But a guy who is actually pro-abortion, deserves the respect of a pro-lifer like you.

I see.

padd b1975

seenitall wrote: »

Yes, because advocating the choice to abortion over the abortion per se makes all the pro-choicers hypocrites.

But a guy who is actually pro-abortion, deserves the respect of a pro-lifer like you.

I see.

I respect his straight talking, not his stance on abortion.