grayling fishing

dazza161989

Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone has heard of a certain part of kerry having grayling in its river?? I got the information from two men very knowledgable in angling and showed them pictures just to make sure . It was quiet a while ago but would love to know if they are there.

Anyone have any info???

Thanks

jkchambers

I havent heard anything and if IFI found that there were any there they would electrofish the entire river and kill them all.

dazza161989

jkchambers wrote: »

I havent heard anything and if IFI found that there were any there they would electrofish the entire river and kill them all.

thanks for the reply.... If they did it wud b terrible, would be great t c the lady of the stream in this country..... And give us fly fisherman a species to target in the winter.

Zzippy

dazza161989 wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone has heard of a certain part of kerry having grayling in its river?? I got the information from two men very knowledgable in angling and showed them pictures just to make sure . It was quiet a while ago but would love to know if they are there.

Anyone have any info???

Thanks

I think a couple of Kerrymen have been pulling your leg...

rpmcmurphy

I had someone (from cavan i think) phone me up last year what appeared to be a genuine request for info on the best parts for Zander fishing in Leitrim!!!!!!!!

dazza161989

rpmcmurphy wrote: »

I had someone (from cavan i think) phone me up last year what appeared to be a genuine request for info on the best parts for Zander fishing in Leitrim!!!!!!!!

there are zander here now, aswell as chub, have seen the pics!!! Dont know how they got here tho???

dazza161989

Zzippy wrote: »

I think a couple of Kerrymen have been pulling your leg...

i dunno they seemed fairly serious, plus they dont know each other and spoke to them at different times!! Guess the only thing t do is t fish dat river in the upcoming season with a klinkhammer or pink shrimp imitation and hope for the best.

Zzippy

dazza161989 wrote: »

there are zander here now, aswell as chub, have seen the pics!!! Dont know how they got here tho???

Chub were introduced a good few years ago to the Inny. I'm calling BS on the zander story without proof...

tin79

Mullet and grayling look similar. I met a guy who swore to me he had grayling in Liffey at Heuston station. He didn't.

Budawanny

At a stretch it might be possible to mistake a grayling for a shad. the dorasl fin on a grayling looks alot less pronounced in real life that on the interweb.
Id say the Shad are even rarer!

Budawanny

Definitely Mullet at Heuston alright.

dazza161989

Zzippy wrote: »

Chub were introduced a good few years ago to the Inny. I'm calling BS on the zander story without proof...

if ur on twitter tweet @predatorfishian, and hell share pics and details with u if u like..... I dnt hav any other contact for him.

dazza161989

tin79 wrote: »

Mullet and grayling look similar. I met a guy who swore to me he had grayling in Liffey at Heuston station. He didn't.

one of these guys net fished a tidal estuary for around forty years for salmon so id say he knows wat a mullet is ;-)

dazza161989

Budawanny wrote: »

At a stretch it might be possible to mistake a grayling for a shad. the dorasl fin on a grayling looks alot less pronounced in real life that on the interweb.
Id say the Shad are even rarer!

ya dats wat i was thinking but wen they explained it had a redish to purpleish hue on a sail like dorsel it left me stumped!! Its a pretty good description of a grayling?

tin79

dazza161989 wrote: »

one of these guys net fished a tidal estuary for around forty years for salmon so id say he knows wat a mullet is ;-)

Maybe


Though an old boy fishing the dispensary in Leixlip hooked what he thought was a salmon one time in the 90s after a big flood. Turned out to be a red mullet ( a tench ).


He had been salmon fishing for probably 40 years too. These salmon guys are odd.

tin79

Budawanny wrote: »

Definitely Mullet at Heuston alright.

They sure were alright. He had them on bread swore blind they were grayling because he saw pictures of them. Had the same mouth and large scales and all.


Sigh.

dazza161989

tin79 wrote: »

They sure were alright. He had them on bread swore blind they were grayling because he saw pictures of them. Had the same mouth and large scales and all.


Sigh.

on bread definately mullet....... Wud b a funny grayling t take a piece of bread:-)

dazza161989

tin79 wrote: »

Maybe


Though an old boy fishing the dispensary in Leixlip hooked what he thought was a salmon one time in the 90s after a big flood. Turned out to be a red mullet ( a tench ).


He had been salmon fishing for probably 40 years too. These salmon guys are odd.

ya i agree but strange both men wud say it and mention d same isolated river holds dem ( d river in question isnt tidal) .....

Zzippy

dazza161989 wrote: »

if ur on twitter tweet @predatorfishian, and hell share pics and details with u if u like..... I dnt hav any other contact for him.

No people results for @predatorfishian.

dazza161989

Zzippy wrote: »

hi zzippy its @PredatorFishIan dat shows up as his twitter name, his name is Ian Hannon and his pic is him holding a pike if you want t search dat way maybe try dat..

Zzippy

dazza161989 wrote: »

hi zzippy its @PredatorFishIan dat shows up as his twitter name, his name is Ian Hannon and his pic is him holding a pike if you want t search dat way maybe try dat..

Still can't find him! This is weird...

dazza161989

Zzippy wrote: »

Still can't find him! This is weird...

it is weird.... Is dere privacy settings for twitter???? I didnt think so....

rpmcmurphy

i cant find him either.

beer enigma

dazza161989 wrote: »

on bread definately mullet....... Wud b a funny grayling t take a piece of bread:-)

I've caught many Grayling on bread when the water is coloured. They will also take sweet corn and worm although maggot would be the normal choice.

Never heard of any in Ireland though

floattuber_lee

there was an article in a fishing magazine a good few years ago where an individual claimed he was blindfolded and drove to a river in ireland and caught great grayling. dont remember if it was the april edition!! if you want to catch grayling fish czech nymph style

Zzippy

floattuber_lee wrote: »

there was an article in a fishing magazine a good few years ago where an individual claimed he was blindfolded and drove to a river in ireland and caught great grayling. dont remember if it was the april edition!! if you want to catch grayling fish czech nymph style

That was in Irish Angler, and it was most definitely an April Fool article, the editor was fond of those. He had one another year about a striped bass being caught here...

beer enigma

Zzippy wrote: »

That was in Irish Angler, and it was most definitely an April Fool article, the editor was fond of those. He had one another year about a striped bass being caught here...

Zzippy out of interest, you'd have a good idea on this - what non native species are confirmed to have crept into irish waters

dazza161989

Andip wrote: »

Zzippy out of interest, you'd have a good idea on this - what non native species are confirmed to have crept into irish waters

chub , signal crawfish, stocked tiger and blue trout...... More will probably come t me

Bogwoppit

dazza161989 wrote: »

chub , signal crawfish, stocked tiger and blue trout...... More will probably come t me

Rainbows, carp, some believe pike are introduced, Chinese mitten crab, zebra mussels, goldfish.
I'm sure there's more to come.
Tiger trout are a hybrid between browns and char and are non viable (can't reproduce) and therefore shouldn't really be classed as introduced fish.
Blue trout are actually just rainbows which express a recessive gene.

floattuber_lee

Zzippy wrote: »

That was in Irish Angler, and it was most definitely an April Fool article, the editor was fond of those. He had one another year about a striped bass being caught here...

they did a cat fish one year too.

viper123

Andip wrote: »

Zzippy out of interest, you'd have a good idea on this - what non native species are confirmed to have crept into irish waters

Probably easier to list the natives...

Smelt
Lamprey
Shad
Flounder
Salmon
Brown/Sea Trout
Pollan
Arctic Char
Eel
Stickleback
Shad
Sturgeon

All others are introduced, although there is an argument/evidence to suggest that pike may also be native.

viper123

dazza161989 wrote: »

chub , signal crawfish, stocked tiger and blue trout...... More will probably come t me

I've never heard of signal crayfish in Ireland, are you sure?

dazza161989

viper123 wrote: »

I've never heard of signal crayfish in Ireland, are you sure?

ya its on fisheries website on envasive species.

Zzippy

Andip wrote: »

Zzippy out of interest, you'd have a good idea on this - what non native species are confirmed to have crept into irish waters

The Invasive Species Ireland website has lots of info. Off the top of my head, the main ones of freshwater interest would be dace, chub, carp, zebra mussel, Lagarosiphon (curly leaved waterweed), Asian clam, bloody red shrimp and several various aquatic weeds. Other species that have been introduced but are here so long they would be considered naturalised would be roach, rudd, bream. While they may be considered native species, many species are not found in all catchments, so would be considered invasive in a catchment where they have not been found before. Lots of good info on that website about biosecurity and how we can help prevent spread of invasives.

dazza161989 wrote: »

ya its on fisheries website on envasive species.

It's there to inform people to watch out for it as a threat should it be introduced here. Signal crayfish has not been found in Ireland yet, and pray it never does, or our native species could be wiped out.

http://invasivespeciesireland.com/most-unwanted-species/potential/freshwater/north-american-signal-crayfish

Origin and Distribution: signal crayfish are now widespread across many parts of Europe, but are not present in Ireland. The nearest neighbour populations to Ireland are present in England, Wales and parts of southern Scotland. Due to trade and travel links, Britain is considered the most likely source of non-native crayfish, but they are present across Europe, so there are a number of pathways that would bring non-native crayfish into Ireland.

viper123

dazza161989 wrote: »

ya its on fisheries website on envasive species.

Have you a link?

floattuber_lee

judging by the size of some of the claws i have found out and about i'd say there is a chance they are here. id have to get a proper id done though.

dazza161989

floattuber_lee wrote: »

judging by the size of some of the claws i have found out and about i'd say there is a chance they are here. id have to get a proper id done though.

supposed t b lovely t eat :-)

bencarvosso

barbel here too in a few rivers....

dazza161989

bencarvosso wrote: »

barbel here too in a few rivers....

are you serious???

floattuber_lee

dazza161989 wrote: »

supposed t b lovely t eat :-)

the local otters seem to love them!

i was on a coarse fishing website where people were wondering how they could get barbel and chub into their local rivers

jkchambers

viper123 wrote: »

Probably easier to list the natives...

Smelt
Lamprey
Shad
Flounder
Salmon
Brown/Sea Trout
Pollan
Arctic Char
Eel
Stickleback
Shad
Sturgeon

All others are introduced, although there is an argument/evidence to suggest that pike may also be native.

Think that IFI fully accept that pike are native. That recent report was signed off by Dr Martin O`Grady and Dr Joe Caffrey

tin79

dazza161989 wrote: »

ya its on fisheries website on envasive species.

That doesn't mean they are actually present here. They are just a risk species. not confirmed in Ireland as far as I know (as of June was the last official update I had).

Bizzum

On the subject of Invasive Species, there is an Invasive Species App available to download free to your smartphones. It gives a little info on each, and verified locations. It facilitates the reporting of Invasives so it useful to have on the phone.

Zzippy

bencarvosso wrote: »

barbel here too in a few rivers....

Where? Haven't heard this one before...

bencarvosso

one possibly two east coast rivers...
and a river in the west has them happily swimming around too...
the shannon was meant to receive a few too but they will never be seen again

Zzippy

bencarvosso wrote: »

one possibly two east coast rivers...
and a river in the west has them happily swimming around too...
the shannon was meant to receive a few too but they will never be seen again

Like other claims in this thread, I'm calling BS on this one. Unless of course you can provide some shred of evidence...?

bencarvosso

fair enough mate, i am not going to start naming rivers however after the inny chub fiasco with the electro fishing
they maybe are not in the numbers viable for heading out for a days barbel fishing, whether they take hold, who knows.
they are here though, fact.

Zzippy

bencarvosso wrote: »

fair enough mate, i am not going to start naming rivers however after the inny chub fiasco with the electro fishing
they maybe are not in the numbers viable for heading out for a days barbel fishing, whether they take hold, who knows.
they are here though, fact.

When you say fiasco do you think it was wrong to try to remove them? Or do you think it was wrong that they were introduced in the first place?

dazza161989

I think the topic has veered away from grayling ;-);-)

rpmcmurphy

Surely this thread is a wind-up. Ben you state that barbel are in rivers here. Have you seen them yourself? If so, as a conscientious and forward thinking angler is it not your duty to report the presence of any invasive to the appropriate authority?

Flysfisher

rpmcmurphy wrote: »

Surely this thread is a wind-up. Ben you state that barbel are in rivers here. Have you seen them yourself? If so, as a conscientious and forward thinking angler is it not your duty to report the presence of any invasive to the appropriate authority?

Absolutely. What a complete load of bullocks. Do people actually think that if barbel are here, which I doubt they are, that it would be kept secret for ever? This is Ireland, we can't hold our water.

I am remembering hearing strong rumours of carp in the Kells blackwater about 5 or 6 years ago, but since I've never seen one or ever heard of anyone catching one on the river. Bullocks I say bullocks, more chance of catching swimming bullocks.