Tenants from hell next door

burke027

Hey guys and girls kinda looking for a small bit of advice.

Well basically about 6 months ago we had new tenants move in next door to myself.basically a couple owned the home as a second house but ended up renting it out. Now I must also say I'm renting the property next door also.
So as I said they moved in next door and the noise has just being out of control since.il start off by saying that the are of middle eastern origen and there is the mam and dad ,daughter and a newborn prob about 3 months old.

My own family consists of myself the oh and a 2 year old boy and 2 year old girl.so during the day the noise is the same as at night but the noise does be of people scrapping chairs across the tilled floor, kicking football's around the house, banging what I can lng discribe as a golf club or something off the wall. Banging warddrobe doors and the baby just seems to be crying histiercly all the time.
During the night we have ofton being woken out of our sleep by heavy banging on the walls and doors slamming this could be 3 r 4 o'clock in the morning and then the noise continues all morning till I go to work at 7.the noise has also being waking our kids at the same time and then the baby next door crying is just out of control. It goes on and on like that but it's at the stage now were ne and my other half have enough and I'm really considering moving out of our home where we have lived for 3 years.

I have tought about saying it to them but they seem very unapprocable and we haven't even got to say hi or got a hi off them either. Not a great feeling for ur neighbours. One instance was one if the kids in the estate called in to ask did they want there grass cut as they don't seem to clean the front garden or cut there grass.the tenants decided to call the gaurds and say the teenager was harrasing them. So I rink approaching them is out of the question.

So basically any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance

D3PO

what has their nationality got to do with anything ?

And how do you know they are unapproachable if you have never spoken to them ?

grow up.

kryogen

D3PO wrote: »

what has their nationality got to do with anything ?

And how do you know they are unapproachable if you have never spoken to them ?

grow up.

The nationality doesn't have much to do with it, except different nationalities have different cultures so its hardly a huge crime to include that they are not Irish

You would get the feeling they are unapproachable since they haven't said hello yet, though for me the onus would be on the OP to introduce themselves first and welcome them, they also called the guards when a young fella asked did they want their grass cut

Not exactly a normal response to such a question.

Calm down

burke027

I never said there nationality had anything to do with it at all I was mearly puting it in for a brief discription of the tenants.
You say grow up but let me tell you if u had the noise that goes on beside yourself I'm sure you woukdnt be to happy. I asked for a bit of advice on what to do not someone to pick up on other things.
So unless you have some advice on the situation then I don't need ur silly answers

Starokan

- introduce yourself, explain the noise is becoming difficult to bear, see what reaction you get, if a good reaction wait and see what happens.

- if a bad reaction call your own landlord and explain that the noise from next door is becoming difficult to bear, im sure he / she will know who the owner is next to them and will have a way to contact them as its in their interests to do so

- if all of the above fail, contact gardai and complain about noise at night, perhaps they can assist you in getting in touch with the other tenants landlords as well

after that I dont think there is a lot you can do , hopefully they will respond positively to your approach and tone it down (except the baby crying, there is not a lot can be done about that )

djimi

Get the details of their landlord and start contacting them; its the landlords responsibility to sort them out.

Or, you know, perhaps knock in, say hello and ask them nicely to keep the noise down first.

D3PO

burke027 wrote: »

I never said there nationality had anything to do with it at all I was mearly puting it in for a brief discription of the tenants.

and a description of the tenants nationality was needed why ? weather they are irish or otherwise its irrelevant.

The fact you mentioned it would indicate its an issue your end weather its subconscious or not. Speak to them about the problem and don't be so xenophobic.

burke027

D3PO wrote: »

and a description of the tenants nationality was needed why ? weather they are irish or otherwise its irrelevant.

The fact you mentioned it would indicate its an issue your end weather its subconscious or not. Speak to them about the problem and don't be so xenophobic.

Please get a grip I was actually mentioning it to see if they had different cultures that maybe they prayed early in the morning or something like that. Your making it sound like I've a issue with where there from. When infact nationalitys doesn't have n e bearing on it.ive plenty of friends that are of other nationality.

Pawwed Rig

If approaching them fails and you have tried the other suggestions in this thread with no success you can contact their landlord and inform him of the problems you are having.
Ultimately you can take a case to the PRTB.

pwurple

What kind of buildings are these where a baby crying next door wakes your whole family up?

yop

He may have mentioned their nationality because someone would have asked about it anyway, assuming it was travellers or non Irish.

Going by what you are saying I wouldn't bother with the intros, if they are nuts enough to behave like that with a young baby and have no respect for their kids and the house then they go and ring the guards about a young lad, then I think you are as well to contact the landlord. Inform your own landlord first, then tell him that you are ringing their landlord and if it can't be sorted that you will have to move as its impacting your quality of life and your young families.

djimi

pwurple wrote: »

What kind of buildings are these where a baby crying next door wakes your whole family up?

The majority of the apartment buildings built in the past 10 years Id imagine.

The_Morrigan

D3PO cut it out. There is no need to take that tone with posters.
Please remain civil and courteous or don't post here.


Morri

burke027

djimi wrote: »

The majority of the apartment buildings built in the past 10 years Id imagine.

Who mentioned anything about a apartment it's a 4 bed semi and I think ur right the land lord is the only way

Femme_Fatale

D3PO wrote: »

grow up.

lol - that coming from you.

The_Morrigan

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

lol - that coming from you.

That is not helpful, please leave the moderation to the mods and stop derailing the thread by trying to start an argument.

Can we get back on topic now please?

Pawwed Rig

burke027 wrote: »

Who mentioned anything about a apartment it's a 4 bed semi and I think ur right the land lord is the only way

The point is that many buildings (not just apartments) that have been built in the last 10/15 years have sound issues with paper thin walls between different units thereby allowing noise from next door to disturb you.

drumswan

If you live in a 4 bed semi where a crying baby next door wakes up your whole house, you have a problem with your house not your neighbours.

burke027

drumswan wrote: »

If you live in a 4 bed semi where a crying baby next door wakes up your whole house, you have a problem with your house not your neighbours.

Yeah I get that the house walls might be thin.it's not only the baby it's the constant banging and all that.your telling me thst if u where woke at 4 r 5 in the morning with someone hoping off the walls and then ur trying to sleep and u hear a baby screaming and crying that you would be happy about it.
In fairness I doubt you would. All I'm trying to do is find the best course of action.as I said if it can't be resolved il have to move as it's gone beyond a joke at this stage.
The thing is I don't wana move even tho it's a rented house we have put money into it painting and laying floors and afew other things we have the house the way we want to and don't wana start all over again.

jmayo

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As regards actual problem.
OP listen to advise about trying to approach them and ask them to try and keep noise down.
If that doesn't work then best advise is to bug the cr** out of their landlord.

One positive thing here is that you are only renting and you can move away from a possible continuing nightmare next door.
I know you like the area/house, but it could be a lot worse if you were stuck in negative equity and know you are going to be living next to God knows what for the next 20 years.

Pawwed Rig

burke027 wrote: »

The thing is I don't wana move even tho it's a rented house we have put money into it painting and laying floors and afew other things we have the house the way we want to and don't wana start all over again.

Well the steps are
1. Talk to your neighbour and see if it can be resolved amicably.
2. If (1) fails Talk to your neighbours Landlord and put the problem on his lap.
3. If (2) fails File a complaint with the PRTB against the neighbours LL for not dealing with the problem.

The other alternatives are to move out or ask your LL to soundproof the house.

yop

drumswan wrote: »

If you live in a 4 bed semi where a crying baby next door wakes up your whole house, you have a problem with your house not your neighbours.

Hardly news that the walls are paper thin now. Its irrelevant to the OP's problem, the problem is the neighbors not the house.

The_Morrigan

jmayo wrote: »

<snip>

As regards actual problem.
OP listen to advise about trying to approach them and ask them to try and keep noise down.
If that doesn't work then best advise is to bug the cr** out of their landlord.

One positive thing here is that you are only renting and you can move away from a possible continuing nightmare next door.
I know you like the area/house, but it could be a lot worse if you were stuck in negative equity and know you are going to be living next to God knows what for the next 20 years.

I've already asked for posters to get back on topic, therefore I've snipped your post to remove your rant.
If you have a problem with a post report it and the mods will deal with it.

djimi

burke027 wrote: »

Who mentioned anything about a apartment it's a 4 bed semi and I think ur right the land lord is the only way

It was more of a general comment in reply to the question I quoted, but usually its badly built apartments that are the cause in a lot of cases like this.

To be honest, if the build of the house is that bad then Id probably be looking to move if it were me. You learn to expect this sort of thing when living in apartments, but not from a house.

Im not excusing the neighbours in saying that btw; they are a problem that also needs sorting by the sounds of it. I believe that if you can get hold of the landlords phone number then ringing him in the middle of the night each and every time that you get woken up can prove to be quite an effective method of getting the issue sorted in a hurry...

zl1whqvjs75cdy

OP mentions race of person, is called racist. Yup this thread checks out carry on.

mari2222

I would complain to my own landlord, pointing out I cant put up with it much longer.

drumswan

yop wrote: »

Hardly news that the walls are paper thin now. Its irrelevant to the OP's problem, the problem is the neighbors not the house.

Nonsense, if a crying baby is audible in your house normal noise will also be audible.

Id just move if the house is that poorly constructed. Its not reasonable to ask you neighbour to be quiet in his own house.

Femme_Fatale

It's not reasonable to be making excessive noise at night either though (and I'm not including the baby's crying), this can be avoided even with thin walls. The OP shouldn't have to move, the neighbours should stop slamming doors in the middle of the night.

ruthloss

My sympathies to you and your family. I've been there and it's a nightmare.
My advise to you is not to approach them while you are on 'High Doh'
Get your husband to have a reasonable word with him., (he may not take kindly to being spoken to by a woman).
Take a look through the link and see if there is anything in it that might be a way forward for you.

Good luck.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/enfo/irelands-environment/noise/how-to-deal-with-noisy-ne/

burke027

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's not reasonable to be making excessive noise at night either though (and I'm not including the baby's crying), this can be avoided even with thin walls. The OP shouldn't have to move, the neighbours should stop slamming doors in the middle of the night.

Apart from the baby crying more then any baby I've ever seen where not talking about little footsteps or something.where talking the constant slaming of warddrope doors or hitting the walls with something metal that seems to be never ending. Even more so the dragging of chairs on a till floor now not just moving it dragging it around and around and around and around the kitchen doing laps of the floor.this could be at 6 in the evening or 3 in the morning. They don't talk the shout at each other roaring is it any wonder the baby is crying.
So I don't except there aloud make noise in tgere own home yes of course they are but this is more then noise and it's way way past any acceptable time

yop

drumswan wrote: »

Nonsense, if a crying baby is audible in your house normal noise will also be audible.

Id just move if the house is that poorly constructed. Its not reasonable to ask you neighbour to be quiet in his own house.

Have you read the OPs post out of interest. They include baby crying, golf club like noises, banging, chairs moving all in the middle of the night.

Its totally reasonable to ask them to keep it down in the middle of the night, if that was the case then why is there laws regarding this?

They certainly should not move if the new neighbours are now causing an issue, the OP is there 3 years, could possible have their kids in a close school and could be part of the community.
Under no circumstances should they move.

CruelCoin

burke027 wrote: »

Don't assume you can't talk to them without trying first.

burke027

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's not reasonable to be making excessive noise at night either though (and I'm not including the baby's crying), this can be avoided even with thin walls. The OP shouldn't have to move, the neighbours should stop slamming doors in the middle of the night.

Apart from the baby crying more then any baby I've ever seen where not talking about little footsteps or something.where talking the constant slaming of warddrope doors or hitting the walls with something metal that seems to be never ending. Even more so the dragging of chairs on a till floor now not just moving it dragging it around and around and around and around the kitchen doing laps of the floor.this could be at 6 in the evening or 3 in the morning. They don't talk the shout at each other roaring is it any wonder the baby is crying.
So I don't except there aloud make noise in tgere own home yes of course they are but this is more then noise and it's way way past any acceptable time

mikemac1

Something metal hitting the walls?

Is it possible (and I'm no builder!) that is water pipes & water pumps? In my flat there is a rat a tat tat banging for about 20 seconds when the neighbours upstairs stir and start using their water.

It sounds like metal hitting my wall alright

Is there is something in the wall or close to underneath the wall connecting your house to your neighbours?

Gokei

mikemac1 wrote: »

Something metal hitting the walls?

Is it possible (and I'm no builder!) that is water pipes & water pumps? In my flat there is a rat a tat tat banging for about 20 seconds when the neighbours upstairs stir and start using their water.

It sounds like metal hitting my wall alright

Is there is something in the wall or close to underneath the wall connecting your house to your neighbours?

This was happening in my house when we'd turn off the taps or when the cistern would finish filling.
Turned out it was the expansion vessel on the heating had burst so the sudden shock of the pressure difference was causing the pipes to shudder. This in turn caused the pipe clamps to come loose over time, causing the rattle.

OP, i'd ask the next door neighbour to swap the 2yr old and the baby so that the baby is away from your dividing wall, and also ask the landlord to get a plumber to check the pipes.


(you can do a kind of test by trying to lift the expansion vessel. If its heavy that means its burst and full of water.)

AnonoBoy

mikemac1 wrote: »

Something metal hitting the walls?

Is it possible (and I'm no builder!) that is water pipes & water pumps? In my flat there is a rat a tat tat banging for about 20 seconds when the neighbours upstairs stir and start using their water.

It sounds like metal hitting my wall alright

Is there is something in the wall or close to underneath the wall connecting your house to your neighbours?

Surely if that was the case it would have been there before and not just started when they moved in.

As people have stated OP, just because they're being d*cks (calling the Gardai when asked if they wanted their lawn cut is ridiculous) doesn't mean you should be so go down the civil route first.

Talk to them and tell them the noise at night is disturbing your family and waking your kids. They could be unaware of how disruptive they're being.

If they refuse to modify their behaviour or indeed call the cops on you then talk to their landlord.

Hope it works out for you.

mikemac1

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Surely if that was the case it would have been there before and not just started when they moved in.

The owners had it as a second house before they decided to rent it out.

As it was a second house it could have been empty

burke027

mikemac1 wrote: »

The owners had it as a second house before they decided to rent it out.

As it was a second house it could have been empty

Ah lads are u having a laugh it's not pipes ffs. It's like a hammer r a golf club r something like that hitting the wall. And if I'm right I don't think there are any metal pipes running down the adjoining wall inbetween houses.
As I said il talk to them

burke027

mikemac1 wrote: »

The owners had it as a second house before they decided to rent it out.

As it was a second house it could have been empty

Ah lads are u having a laugh it's not pipes ffs. It's like a hammer r a golf club r something like that hitting the wall. And if I'm right I don't think there are any metal pipes running down the adjoining wall inbetween houses.
As I said il talk to them

ted1

D3PO wrote: »

and a description of the tenants nationality was needed why ? weather they are irish or otherwise its irrelevant.

The fact you mentioned it would indicate its an issue your end weather its subconscious or not. Speak to them about the problem and don't be so xenophobic.

Nationality is valid as it shows different cultures, eg. If Ramadan occurs in summer then Muslims will be cooking and eating very late.

runawaybishop

burke027 wrote: »

Ah lads are u having a laugh it's not pipes ffs. It's like a hammer r a golf club r something like that hitting the wall. And if I'm right I don't think there are any metal pipes running down the adjoining wall inbetween houses.
As I said il talk to them

Theres a thing called water hammer which can be very loud and repetitive, it happens when a valve is opened or closed fast and the water slams into the system.

Anywho, complain to their landlord.

Pawwed Rig

To be fair it sounds more plausible to be pipes rather than a person actually smashing their wall with a golf club in the middle of the night. Maybe the neighbour thinks it is you and that is why he doesn't speak to you;)

jmayo

burke027 wrote: »

Apart from the baby crying more then any baby I've ever seen where not talking about little footsteps or something.where talking the constant slaming of warddrope doors or hitting the walls with something metal that seems to be never ending. Even more so the dragging of chairs on a till floor now not just moving it dragging it around and around and around and around the kitchen doing laps of the floor.

this could be at 6 in the evening or 3 in the morning. They don't talk the shout at each other roaring is it any wonder the baby is crying.
So I don't except there aloud make noise in tgere own home yes of course they are but this is more then noise and it's way way past any acceptable time

The dragging the chair sounds like a toddler learning to walk.
They don't have a pushtoy or walker so the child uses the chair/stool to get around.

The weird bit is the 3am, but it could be the baby is not sleeping and the parents just let it up and around.

Also a toddler that is teething can make a fierce racket especially if ignored and left.
Oh and toddlers just love hammering things if they get a chance so that could explain some of the hammering.


Either that or they are making something in there.
Hell they might have a still going.
oh wait scrub that, because you told us their background I am ruling that out as being unlikely.

Mrs OBumble

burke027 wrote: »

Apart from the baby crying more then any baby I've ever seen where not talking about little footsteps or something.where talking the constant slaming of warddrope doors or hitting the walls with something metal that seems to be never ending. ....

They don't talk the shout at each other roaring is it any wonder the baby is crying.

Given what you have said, then I would be calling the child welfare people, not approaching them myself.

Rhys Essien

OP,did you approach them yet?

If not,make sure to keep a record of all the noise and record all noise disruption.

Have a read of this,and by no means should ye be considering leaving.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/environmental_protection/noise_regulations.html

runawaybishop

Rhys Essien wrote: »

OP,did you approach them yet?

If not,make sure to keep a record of all the noise and record all noise disruption.

Have a read of this,and by no means should ye be considering leaving.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/environmental_protection/noise_regulations.html

Why shouldn't they consider leaving? That's the beauty of renting

Rhys Essien

runawaybishop wrote: »

Why shouldn't they consider leaving? That's the beauty of renting

burke027 wrote: »

Yeah I get that the house walls might be thin.it's not only the baby it's the constant banging and all that.your telling me thst if u where woke at 4 r 5 in the morning with someone hoping off the walls and then ur trying to sleep and u hear a baby screaming and crying that you would be happy about it.
In fairness I doubt you would. All I'm trying to do is find the best course of action.as I said if it can't be resolved il have to move as it's gone beyond a joke at this stage.
The thing is I don't wana move even tho it's a rented house we have put money into it painting and laying floors and afew other things we have the house the way we want to and don't wana start all over again.

Also the OP says that they are there for 3 years,while the new crowd moved in 6 months ago.The new neighbours just need to be told the rules and regulations and to have a bit of consideration.

djimi

To be honest Rhys life is too short to be fighting battles that dont need to be fought. Im not saying move out at the first sign of trouble, but ultimately, if this issue does not get resolved or becomes a serious problem then its easier just to get away from it and find somewhere that is less hassle (there are plenty of decent places out there). That is the beauty of renting.

Its also why I wouldnt put my own money into things like painting and reflooring someone elses property; renting in Ireland is a short term solution.

runawaybishop

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Also the OP says that they are there for 3 years,while the new crowd moved in 6 months ago.The new neighbours just need to be told the rules and regulations and to have a bit of consideration.

In a perfect world, sure. In reality it may just be easier to move.

Benda

burke027 wrote: »

Hey guys and girls kinda looking for a small bit of advice.

Well basically about 6 months ago we had new tenants move in next door to myself.basically a couple owned the home as a second house but ended up renting it out. Now I must also say I'm renting the property next door also.
So as I said they moved in next door and the noise has just being out of control since.il start off by saying that the are of middle eastern origen and there is the mam and dad ,daughter and a newborn prob about 3 months old.

My own family consists of myself the oh and a 2 year old boy and 2 year old girl.so during the day the noise is the same as at night but the noise does be of people scrapping chairs across the tilled floor, kicking football's around the house, banging what I can lng discribe as a golf club or something off the wall. Banging warddrobe doors and the baby just seems to be crying histiercly all the time.
During the night we have ofton being woken out of our sleep by heavy banging on the walls and doors slamming this could be 3 r 4 o'clock in the morning and then the noise continues all morning till I go to work at 7.the noise has also being waking our kids at the same time and then the baby next door crying is just out of control. It goes on and on like that but it's at the stage now were ne and my other half have enough and I'm really considering moving out of our home where we have lived for 3 years.

I have tought about saying it to them but they seem very unapprocable and we haven't even got to say hi or got a hi off them either. Not a great feeling for ur neighbours. One instance was one if the kids in the estate called in to ask did they want there grass cut as they don't seem to clean the front garden or cut there grass.the tenants decided to call the gaurds and say the teenager was harrasing them. So I rink approaching them is out of the question.

So basically any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance

Man up for gods sake and go into them ! Suggest that you have contacts in the Gardai and Immigration Bureau and see if that settles their hash !

zef

Not all non Irish people are cowed into submission by a mention of immigration officials.