Sprinter Sacre a doubt for Tingle Creek

RichieLawlor

THE Tingle Creek Chase is in danger of losing its headline act after trainer Nicky Henderson sensationally revealed Sprinter Sacre is not certain to run on Saturday due to an unsatisfactory tracheal wash.

Probably an excuse for chemical to supplement him for the King George

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

THE Tingle Creek Chase is in danger of losing its headline act after trainer Nicky Henderson sensationally revealed Sprinter Sacre is not certain to run on Saturday due to an unsatisfactory tracheal wash.

Probably an excuse for chemical to supplement him for the King George

I think its bull and he will line up ala Binocular, backed him at 2.02 on betfair.

This made me laugh:

"Unfortunately it's something you can't treat - it's an absolute nightmare and I wanted to let everyone know as soon as possible."

Colonel Sanders

2.42 to back 4.0 to lay now

Terrible race if he doesn't run

hucklebuck

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

2.42 to back 4.0 to lay now

Terrible race if he doesn't run

The market has been taken down, must be shenanigans going on.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/mar/16/binocular-champion-hurdle-cheltenham-tony-mccoy

"It was certainly not a ploy. We were trying to keep everyone absolutely informed about what was going on."

the groutch

One word:

BINOCULAR

RichieLawlor

Lol at people comparing this to Binocular. Binocular was ruled out and brought back for the biggest hurdle race of the year. His condition improved so they took a chance. Plus JP was involved.

No chances will be taken over a Tingle Creek chase with the best horse he has ever had

RichieLawlor

Henderson should come out and say he's a sick horse but we will run anyway cause he would beat this bunch with pneumonia.

Sure De Grugy is an absolute hound

ThinkAboutIt

he's been backed in again at odds on on betfair , chemical up to his old tricks !

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Lol at people comparing this to Binocular. Binocular was ruled out and brought back for the biggest hurdle race of the year. His condition improved so they took a chance. Plus JP was involved.

No chances will be taken over a Tingle Creek chase with the best horse he has ever had

Lol at you thinking there was anything wrong with Binocular.

Yeah Henderson is the most trustworthy person in racing, ROTFLMAO @ Dickie

No way would he want to back SS at evens instead of 1/6 :rolleyes:

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

Lol at you thinking there was anything wrong with Binocular.

Yeah Henderson is the most trustworthy person in racing, ROTFLMAO @ Dickie

No way would he want to back SS at evens instead of 1/6 :rolleyes:

So, your saying they purposely put the story out about Binocular being injured or whatever to get a price on him, and then when they got that price he was let go off an unconsidered 9/1 shot, 7th favourite in the betting. A JP horse they had purposely ruled out, to get a price.

And now your claiming that the same trainer, is at it again, with the highest profile animal in national hunt racing, to try snaffle some even money. How much do you think that any human in their right mind would lay you at Even money on Sprinter Sacre for this race. Do you know how much the Tingle Creek is worth

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound.

If your not trolling me i feel very very sorry for you.

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

So, your saying they purposely put the story out about Binocular being injured or whatever to get a price on him, and then when they got that price he was let go off an unconsidered 9/1 shot, 7th favourite in the betting. A JP horse they had purposely ruled out, to get a price.

And now your claiming that the same trainer, is at it again, with the highest profile animal in national hunt racing, to try snaffle some even money. How much do you think that any human in their right mind would lay you at Even money on Sprinter Sacre for this race. Do you know how much the Tingle Creek is worth

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound.

If your not trolling me i feel very very sorry for you.

Yes, it beyond all realms of possibilty that this, like Binocular is just a story.

Why does it matter that its the Tingle Creek and not the Champion, you think people who back SS say as its the Tingle Creek I wont back him?

You can be sure plenty have backed SS for this and is it unreasonable to lay him after Nickys comments? Of course it isnt.

He went from 1/6 to bigger than evens so as a betting proposition its 6 times better for people in the know.

Please enlighten me as to why you think the market has been suspended.

nobody told me

hucklebuck wrote: »

Lol at you thinking there was anything wrong with Binocular.

Yeah Henderson is the most trustworthy person in racing, ROTFLMAO @ Dickie

No way would he want to back SS at evens instead of 1/6 :rolleyes:

You do realise its absolute pittance you can get on at those prices dont you? Cant imagine henderson getting too excited about 30 pound at evens!!

RichieLawlor

nobody told me wrote: »

You do realise its absolute pittance you can get on at those prices dont you? Cant imagine henderson getting too excited about 30 pound at evens!!

He doesn't get it at all.

Of course it matters it's the Tingle Creek and not the Champion Chase, they might let him run in the champion 90% fit because of the race it is, they will not run him at less than 100% first time up.

hucklebuck

nobody told me wrote: »

You do realise its absolute pittance you can get on at those prices dont you? Cant imagine henderson getting too excited about 30 pound at evens!!

The market is down as previously stated. So its very hard to see the liquidity even for someone of your flippancy. Why would you say the market has been pulled?

When the market is back and Henderson says on Thursday he is 50/50, would there would be more liquidity or less?

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

He doesn't get it at all.

Of course it matters it's the Tingle Creek and not the Champion Chase, they might let him run in the champion 90% fit because of the race it is, they will not run him at less than 100% first time up.

They will not run him at less than 100% but you think:

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Henderson should come out and say he's a sick horse but we will run anyway cause he would beat this bunch with pneumonia.

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

They will not run him at less than 100% but you think:

Oh my god is like talking to a 7 year old. Are you really that ****in stupid.

nobody told me

The liquidity is always pittance ante post. Certainly not enough to entice Henderson to pull a stunt. Ffs it's the best horse he's ever had u honestly think he's making this up? The owners are ray and Caroline mould not some syndicate of builders trying to pull a fast one. Come out of the fog will ya.

Hulk Hands

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

he's been backed in again at odds on on betfair , chemical up to his old tricks !

hucklebuck wrote: »

Lol at you thinking there was anything wrong with Binocular.

Yeah Henderson is the most trustworthy person in racing, ROTFLMAO @ Dickie

No way would he want to back SS at evens instead of 1/6 :rolleyes:

Guys there is absolute pittanace traded on Betfair in Antepost races. Henderson is not going to go pulling his star horse out so he can get odds against for double figures! The exact same goes for Binocular. Do people really think they pulled Binocular out so they could get a massive £3 at 650 or something?

Betfair is finished as a medium for large gambles. The luquidity just isnt there anymore. There's going to be zero luquidity on that Tingle Creek market until about an hour prior to the race, as is the case with basically every race these days.

Backing SS at Evens or whatever on Betfair is silly also. You are basically taking 4/5 or so that he's going to make the race. Silly because none of us actually has a clue as to the likelihood of that

hucklebuck

nobody told me wrote: »

The liquidity is always pittance ante post. Certainly not enough to entice Henderson to pull a stunt. Ffs it's the best horse he's ever had u honestly think he's making this up? The owners are ray and Caroline mould not some syndicate of builders trying to pull a fast one. Come out of the fog will ya.

Oh excellent, builders?

I was talking about JP, you might to google him if you get yourself out of the fog.

convert

Please remember to attack the post, not the poster.
And keep on topic, rather than dragging this thread into chaos with irrelevant posts.

hucklebuck

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Guys there is absolute pittanace traded on Betfair in Antepost races. Henderson is not going to go pulling his star horse out so he can get odds against for double figures! The exact same goes for Binocular. Do people really think they pulled Binocular out so they could get a massive £3 at 650 or something?

Betfair is finished as a medium for large gambles. The luquidity just isnt there anymore. There's going to be zero luquidity on that Tingle Creek market until about an hour prior to the race, as is the case with basically every race these days.

Backing SS at Evens or whatever on Betfair is silly also. You are basically taking 4/5 or so that he's going to make the race. Silly because none of us actually has a clue as to the likelihood of that

I dont really use betfair but surely people have been chipping away at SS since April as it was around then the Tingle was mooted as a target?

All I am saying is I would not be surprised if its bull**** and have taken 2.02 that he wins. The last time I remember hearing let people know from Henderson was Binocular.

If its so straight forward and not underhand why would betfair pull the market?

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Oh my god is like talking to a 7 year old. Are you really that ****in stupid.

See you soon Dickie

nobody told me

hucklebuck wrote: »

I dont really use betfair but surely people have been chipping away at SS since April as it was around then the Tingle was mooted as a target?

All I am saying is I would not be surprised if its bull**** and have taken 2.02 that he wins. The last time I remember hearing let people know from Henderson was Binocular.

If its so straight forward and not underhand why would betfair pull the market?

Not the brightest, that post reveals it all.

Hulk Hands

hucklebuck wrote: »

I dont really use betfair but surely people have been chipping away at SS since April as it was around then the Tingle was mooted as a target?

All I am saying is I would not be surprised if its bull**** and have taken 2.02 that he wins. The last time I remember hearing let people know from Henderson was Binocular.

If its so straight forward and not underhand why would betfair pull the market?

I dont know where you seen the market had been pulled. The market has been up anytime ive checked it. Could be any number of reasons they suspended it for a few mins. It's up now http://www.betfair.com/exchange/horse-racing/market?id=1.112107656&mpch=ads&rfr=63

There has been a paltry 8k traded on SS since the markets inception, which wouldve only been a few weeks ago. The market wouldn't have been up until entries received, not since April. Most of that 8k was just guys like yourself playing around thinking he will go or won't go. Henderson's not going to pull this risky stunt so he (millionaire), the owners (millionaire's), and stable hands can share out 2k at Evs

http://www.betfair.com/exchange/horse-racing/marketactivity?id=1.112107656&selectionId=4484754

premierstone

Im pretty sure there is noting underhand going on here - not so much re Binocular that was as fishy as fcuk! - but people do realise that Betfair is not the only exchange out there yeah?? Infact AFAIK on recent figures released Betdaq actually has the highest percentage of the market.

kiers47

premierstone wrote: »

Im pretty sure there is noting underhand going on here - not so much re Binocular that was as fishy as fcuk! - but people do realise that Betfair is not the only exchange out there yeah?? Infact AFAIK on recent figures released Betdaq actually has the highest percentage of the market.

Not a chance only a year ago betfair had 90% of the market.

Hulk Hands

premierstone wrote: »

Im pretty sure there is noting underhand going on here - not so much re Binocular that was as fishy as fcuk! - but people do realise that Betfair is not the only exchange out there yeah?? Infact AFAIK on recent figures released Betdaq actually has the highest percentage of the market.

Grand, £3 at 500/1 Binocular on all of Betfair, WBX, Betdaq and Smarkets. I'd say that made JP's year

prettyboy81

Fook the market, it would be just good to see Sprinter Sacre fly the 3 railway fences on his way to a Tingle Creek win!

SRFC

Hes pulling it out of the tingle creek to give captain conan his grade one its so obvious nothing to do with gambling hes just giving captain conans owner a handy grade 1.

jimjamcos

SRFC wrote: »

Hes pulling it out of the tingle creek to give captain conan his grade one its so obvious nothing to do with gambling hes just giving captain conans owner a handy grade 1.

Hardly the reason...why would he ever risk annoying Sprinter Sacres owners for the sake of a lesser horse? Captain Conan already has a Gr1 to his name anyway.

SRFC

jimjamcos wrote: »

Hardly the reason...why would he ever risk annoying Sprinter Sacres owners for the sake of a lesser horse? Captain Conan has a Gr1 to his name anyway.

SS can win any grade 1 they want and they know cc cant win any grade 1 over 2 miles for the season as long as SS is around so id say its a nice little agreement between all the owners to give CC a free run and a tingle creek,thats my opinion anyways i expect CC to be well backed and win the tingle creek on the weekend while SS is in his box.

jimjamcos

SRFC wrote: »

SS can win any grade 1 they want and they know cc cant win any grade 1 over 2 miles for the season as long as SS is around so id say its a nice little agreement between all the owners to give CC a free run and a tingle creek,thats my opinion anyways i expect CC to be well backed and win the tingle creek on the weekend while SS is in his box.

He's going to run his best horse in the best possible races. Do you think the Moulds give a **** if Captain Conan and his owners win races or not? Very doubtful. They have an unbeatable horse and as shown by his campaign last season, they want to run him in as many big races and win as much prize money as possible. CC's owners aren't a charity case and owners are just as competitive as jockeys and trainers. Sprinter Sacre will run Saturday if fit. I wouldn't be confident in Captain Conan winning even if the champ didn't line up, for what it's worth.

premierstone

kiers47 wrote: »

Not a chance only a year ago betfair had 90% of the market.

Yeah just researched it there, no idea where I got that idea from tbh, was feckin sure I heard it somewhere recently, was either drunk or haing a blonde moment - quite possibly both

premierstone

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Grand, £3 at 500/1 Binocular on all of Betfair, WBX, Betdaq and Smarkets. I'd say that made JP's year

Firstly I never said it was a gambling coo, just that it was very dodgy and a bit of a stunt IMO, secondly really only £3 in total traded on Binocular, seems very low! and thirdly I'm sure more that the owner can be responsible for a gamble!

And yes Im sure it did make JP's year they won the Champion Hurdle FFS.

hucklebuck

nobody told me wrote: »

Not the brightest, that post reveals it all.

Good come back Dickie.

Nobody told you, how to read and respond to a post properly?

hucklebuck

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I dont know where you seen the market had been pulled. The market has been up anytime ive checked it. Could be any number of reasons they suspended it for a few mins. It's up now http://www.betfair.com/exchange/horse-racing/market?id=1.112107656&mpch=ads&rfr=63

There has been a paltry 8k traded on SS since the markets inception, which wouldve only been a few weeks ago. The market wouldn't have been up until entries received, not since April. Most of that 8k was just guys like yourself playing around thinking he will go or won't go. Henderson's not going to pull this risky stunt so he (millionaire), the owners (millionaire's), and stable hands can share out 2k at Evs

http://www.betfair.com/exchange/horse-racing/marketactivity?id=1.112107656&selectionId=4484754

Thanks Hulk.

I have been going in all day on this like from my phone and nothing comes up:

https://www.betfair.com/sport/competitions/in_en?nodeId=MENU:10394283&id=7

Anyway as I was saying before the "awesome posts" I fully expect him to line up on Saturday.

longshotvalue

Some amount of ****e talk here at times, Chemical Nickey or JP and plots.. Feck sake JP could never get on enough to matter to him in any kind of plot other than at Cheltenham maybe.

As far as I can see the trainer has let us know there might be a problem, which is all he can do. The other Binocular thing is silly, horses aren't robots and can get better quicker than expected. He had at the time one of the best hurdlers in the country and the amount of people getting annoyed that he had the gall to put him back in the race when he felt he got better. Feck sake absolutely nothing wrong with that. At least Henderson along with Willie Mullins (another who has been accused of this bull**** at times), wins the vast majority or races he's supposed to unlike some of the trainers.

whether he runs or not it'll still be a decent race, and it'll be more competitive if he doesn't (not better obviously).

Should be more talk about what might win if he doesn't run or is there any betting angle on the possibility of him not running etc..

Rant over , I apologise in advance..

Hulk Hands

premierstone wrote: »

Firstly I never said it was a gambling coo, just that it was very dodgy and a bit of a stunt IMO, secondly really only £3 in total traded on Binocular, seems very low! and thirdly I'm sure more that the owner can be responsible for a gamble!

And yes Im sure it did make JP's year they won the Champion Hurdle FFS.

Well how was it in any way dodgy if it wasn't a gambling coo? They wouldn't have needed to fake injury to juice the horse or anything like that . what motive is there? 3 quid or 30, it wasn't thousands at those prices. Nice attempt at deflection at the end, but it was abundantly clear I was talking in relation to the ridiculous suggestion of JP backing and making money from the injured horse at big prices, not the actual victory itself

premierstone

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Well how was it in any way dodgy if it wasn't a gambling coo? They wouldn't have needed to fake injury to juice the horse or anything like that . what motive is there? 3 quid or 30, it wasn't thousands at those prices. Nice attempt at deflection at the end, but it was abundantly clear I was talking in relation to the ridiculous suggestion of JP backing and making money from the injured horse at big prices, not the actual victory itself

Nobody said it was thousands at those prices, remember the horse had been 6/4 only 12 months earlier, so even the SP of 9/1 gives a 400% increased return. I dont know what price Binocular was before he ws withdrawn but it was certainly alot shorter than 9/1, 3/1 I seem to recall but cowouldnt swear on it.

Again who suggested it was a JP gambling coo, are you making up stuff or unable to read??

mdwexford

Aidan is right this place seems to have gone full retard lately, painful reading most of the threads.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

Aidan is right this place seems to have gone full retard lately, painful reading most of the threads.

mdwexford

Cant believe you are the one to reply after the tripe you have posted in this thread.

You have shown you have no idea about Betfair, prices or racing in general.

faoile@n

hucklebuck wrote: »

Lol at you thinking there was anything wrong with Binocular.

Yeah Henderson is the most trustworthy person in racing, ROTFLMAO @ Dickie

No way would he want to back SS at evens instead of 1/6 :rolleyes:

A lot of rubbish gets posted on this forum but this just takes the biscuit.

There is no liquidity on betfair so the idea of Henderson trying to get a bigger price on SS is laughable. You obviously don't know a whole lot about racing and betting in general.

But for someone to suggest that Henderson would do this with the greatest NH horse he's ever had is just beyond ridiculous.

Can I ask how long you've been following racing?

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

Cant believe you are the one to reply after the tripe you have posted in this thread.

You have shown you have no idea about Betfair, prices or racing in general.

What do your EVER contribute, jump in with a little moan, there might be a samaritans thread that would be right up your alley.

Oh I have been voyeuring and it's gone full retard, if it's that bad don't read it.

As you are no use at reading I will summarise:

* I expect Sprinter Sacre to line up.
* Henderson has done this before and can't be trusted
* That I could not access the Tingle Creek market and was unable to view liquidity
* That Binocular was the dodgiest incident ever

Yeah, spot on again there MD :rolleyes:

premierstone

faoile@n wrote: »

A lot of rubbish gets posted on this forum but this just takes the biscuit.

There is no liquidity on betfair so the idea of Henderson trying to get a bigger price on SS is laughable. You obviously don't know a whole lot about racing and betting in general.

But for someone to suggest that Henderson would do this with the greatest NH horse he's ever had is just beyond ridiculous.

Can I ask how long you've been following racing?

lol every single post you have in this forum is slagging off someone or venting, you really are an angry little man have a beer man, fcuk it have a **** and smile

RichieLawlor

premierstone wrote: »

lol every single post you have in this forum is slagging off someone or venting, you really are an angry little man have a beer man, fcuk it have a **** and smile

He's right though. Hucklebucks comment about the tingle creek betting being going on since April was funny though

premierstone

RichieLawlor wrote: »

He's right though. Hucklebucks comment about the tingle creek betting being going on since April was funny though

I know yeah but its like he's just waiting in the wings ready to pounce and never contributes a thing, if that's what floats his boat fair enough, I'm just concerned about his blood pressure!

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

What do your EVER contribute, jump in with a little moan, there might be a samaritans thread that would be right up your alley.

Oh I have been voyeuring and it's gone full retard, if it's that bad don't read it.

As you are no use at reading I will summarise:

* I expect Sprinter Sacre to line up.
* Henderson has done this before and can't be trusted
* That I could not access the Tingle Creek market and was unable to view liquidity
* That Binocular was the dodgiest incident ever

Yeah, spot on again there MD :rolleyes:

Ive contributed far more than you in this forum.

I read most jumps threads here and enjoy some of the interesting views and debate, unfortunately you dont provide any of this.

No I will summarize what you said, and you do realise there are about 5 other posters ripping you out of it for your nonsense as well by the way.

Henderson is lying about Sprinter Scare having a problem so he can get even money on him.

Binocular was not injured and it was a scam to get a bigger price.

People in the know are all in on this and were waiting for him to hit evens before loading on and then it is revealed all is well.

The hilarious notion that JP was behind a Binocular price scam, he can surely get a few hundred grand on on Betfair to make that a possibility.

You think Betfair had a Tingle Creek market since April, lolol.

I can link you to the conspiracy theory forum if you like.

Ill even throw in a free tinfoil hat if it means you get out of here for good.

Kicking King was a far bigger story than Binocular also.

hucklebuck

faoile@n wrote: »

A lot of rubbish gets posted on this forum but this just takes the biscuit.

There is no liquidity on betfair so the idea of Henderson trying to get a bigger price on SS is laughable. You obviously don't know a whole lot about racing and betting in general.

But for someone to suggest that Henderson would do this with the greatest NH horse he's ever had is just beyond ridiculous.

Can I ask how long you've been following racing?

Try reading again, there's a good lad.

How many times did I say the market was down while talking about a possible plot and Hulk was the first to post a link to the market. As stated if you can't access the market it difficult to see the liquidity, I also stated I rarely use betfair.

I was working off the reasonable assumption that people would have been backing SS for this since Henderson said it was his target.

I am watching it long enough to see Binocular being ruled out until next year a month before a Champion Hurdle, have a trip to Ireland (where he must have met Jesus), come back do an electric piece of work and then go and win the champion after assumably(ahem) having missed 3 weeks of work.

Long enough to see betfair void all bets and lays on Binocular before the 2011 Champion Hurdle (odd move after 2010 would you say??)

Long enough to see Get Me Out Of Here being strangled in a William Hill Handicap.

Long enough to see Synchronised being backed in from 20/1 to 8/1 for the Lexus

Long enough to see Prince of Burma get backed off the boards.

Long enough.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

Ive contributed far more than you in this forum.

Best laugh I have ever had, you row in with negativity, never put forward opinions and just "read", great contribution, give yourself a pat on the back.

mdwexford wrote: »

I read most jumps threads here and enjoy some of the interesting views and debate, unfortunately you dont provide any of this.

So your contribution is reading, ah that is great. Send us the link for your readathon sponsorship card.

mdwexford wrote: »

No I will summarize what you said, and you do realise there are about 5 other posters ripping you out of it for your nonsense as well by the way.

Already did this, maybe you need to read better

mdwexford wrote: »

Henderson is lying about Sprinter Scare having a problem so he can get even money on him.

One more time for you, could not see liquidity as stated numerous times

mdwexford wrote: »

Binocular was not injured and it was a scam to get a bigger price.

Yeah because missing three weeks work before a champion hurdle and a magic trip to Ireland is the ideal prep to run a 172 race :rolleyes:

mdwexford wrote: »

The hilarious notion that JP was behind a Binocular price scam, he can surely get a few hundred grand on on Betfair to make that a possibility.

mdwexford wrote: »

You think Betfair had a Tingle Creek market since April, lolol.

Brilliant, I have stated I rarely use betfair. You speak like some sort of expert, yet you think JP could have a few hundred grand on and the majority of people here are saying there is **** all liquidity on it.

mdwexford wrote: »

I can link you to the conspiracy theory forum if you like.

As part of the MD valuable contribution to the thread...

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

He's right though. Hucklebucks comment about the tingle creek betting being going on since April was funny though

As stated Richie I rarely use it, as in maybe three bets a year.