Fertiliser prices - Forward buying

PatQfarmer

Any idea what the trend for prices is in 2014?
Co-op has left-over Can. Thinking of buying in advance.
Any idea what I should be paying?
Big bags, collected.
Thanks.

delaval

I won't be forward buying this year. Cannot see a price increase in 14, could be very wrong and have been before

PatQfarmer

delaval wrote: »

I won't be forward buying this year. Cannot see a price increase in 14, could be very wrong and have been before

Haven't we all:D
Quoted me €280ton.
How would that compare, do you think?
Made a few quid this year...for once, so may spend it forward...;)

bob charles

PatQfarmer wrote: »

Haven't we all:D
Quoted me €280ton.
How would that compare, do you think?
Made a few quid this year...for once, so may spend it forward...;)

Sure that F all less than we paid for it in September. I wouldnt touch it.

€350 for Urea to tempt me, Sit tight, I wouldnt fancy being a merchant trying to sell over priced fertiliser to grain farmers and they bought the last crop of them for €150 a ton. Wholesalers yards are full so I expect they have bought well as they wouldnt fill their boots unless if was priced properly

Yuzhnyy Black Sea Urea this time last year was $380 a ton, today its $300 a ton. Considering shipping costs, handling, wholesalers and merchants margins are pretty much constant, it should mean a reduction of circa €60 a ton

Now after saying all the, fert will probably be up €50 a ton in the morning

PatQfarmer

bob charles wrote: »

Sure that F all less than we paid for it in September. I wouldnt touch it.

€350 for Urea to tempt me, Sit tight, I wouldnt fancy being a merchant trying to sell over priced fertiliser to grain farmers and they bought the last crop of them for €150 a ton. Wholesalers yards are full so I expect they have bought well as they wouldnt fill their boots unless if was priced properly

Yuzhnyy Black Sea Urea this time last year was $380 a ton, today its $300 a ton. Considering shipping costs, handling, wholesalers and merchants margins are pretty much constant, it should mean a reduction of circa €60 a ton

Now after saying all the, fert will probably be up €50 a ton in the morning

Thanks Bob! Swift, decisive instruction.
I'll sit tight for now. Who Knows, he may reduce to clear his yard yet;)
If it does go up by €50/ton, I know where you hang out:D

bob charles

PatQfarmer wrote: »

Thanks Bob! Swift, decisive instruction.
I'll sit tight for now. Who Knows, he may reduce to clear his yard yet;)
If it does go up by €50/ton, I know where you hang out:D

You know what they say about opinions. I reckon you will be able to bid a merchant at the moment. Cheque book out on the counter and his name written on the top of the cheque, maybe too much for some merchants to refuse. Make sure your dealing with the organ grinder and not the monkey. Things are not all too rosey in the garden for merchant on the feed side of things and they may prefer to only take a tenner a ton on old fert stock to buy back in cheaper stock. I cant enquire of my fert merchant as the price for new season for obvious reasons :D

Brown Podzol

bob charles wrote: »

You know what they say about opinions. I reckon you will be able to bid a merchant at the moment. Cheque book out on the counter and his name written on the top of the cheque, maybe too much for some merchants to refuse. Make sure your dealing with the organ grinder and not the monkey. Things are not all too rosey in the garden for merchant on the feed side of things and they may prefer to only take a tenner a ton on old fert stock to buy back in cheaper stock. Can cant enquire of my fert merchant as the price for new season for obvious reasons :D

And it's costing him c. 2euro a ton a month on bank interest charge.

Farmer Pudsey

I am in the same quandary myself Pat would suit to buy before end of year but will price and see.

mahoney_j

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I am in the same quandary myself Pat would suit to buy before end of year but will price and see.

In the market for urea and 18 6 12 and if I can't buy urea for 350 to 370 a tonne
Or 18 6 12 for simillar I'll hold off till January.bought urea for 420 in September and thought 'twas dear at that

trixi2011

Urea prices have plummeted over this side of the world in recent times:D, $580 a ton now been linked to lower global demand and the introduction of new urea plants in Asia.

kevthegaff

wasnt potassium meant to go down 100$ a tonne or has it happened yet??

Brown Podzol

One of my fert merchants told me yesterday urea and can set to increase 30 euro a ton to him for his next order.

bob charles

Brown Podzol wrote: »

One of my fert merchants told me yesterday urea and can set to increase 30 euro a ton to him for his next order.

Im hearing this aswell, but unsure to believe it. Prices are tempting. Importers are full of dear product so will do everything to increase price I have a feeling. Saw the First load of fert on the road yesterday out of one of the wholesalers yard :eek:, usually it would be starting to rocket out at this stage, merchants have nothing in the yard

mahoney_j

bob charles wrote: »

Im hearing this aswell, but unsure to believe it. Prices are tempting. Importers are full of dear product so will do everything to increase price I have a feeling. Saw the First load of fert on the road yesterday out of one of the wholesalers yard :eek:, usually it would be starting to rocket out at this stage, merchants have nothing in the yard

I'm hearing around 380 for urea but it's fairly hush hush.still all old stock and loads of it in my merchants yard,well hidden in sheds though!!.o offered 350 and waiting for an answer.18 6 12 about 410

hammer73

bob charles wrote: »

Im hearing this aswell, but unsure to believe it.

You better believe it! Prices strong and on the rise. You could do worse than get some now. Impossible to tell where it will be in March but it will be well up from where it is now.

99nsr125

There's a good premium being charged at the moment

UK 0.24.24 (equivalent to 0-10-20) blend is typically available at about £275/t (330 Euro) bagged delivered farm; as of October

We couldn't get a quote from our normal supplier for 0-10-20 for
any less than 420/t, didn't go for it.

http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/business/on-farm-buying-caution-despite-falling-fertiliser-prices/59247.article

mahoney_j

hammer73 wrote: »

You better believe it! Prices strong and on the rise. You could do worse than get some now. Impossible to tell where it will be in March but it will be well up from where it is now.

You a rep or something hammer??.can see fertliser been well back next year.some big cartel in Eastern Europe was broken up and prices will fall back.deals will be done for urea at 350 to 400 max and compounds like 18 6 12 and pasture sward etc will be all sub 400.hopefully!!

mahoney_j

hammer73 wrote: »

You better believe it! Prices strong and on the rise. You could do worse than get some now. Impossible to tell where it will be in March but it will be well up from where it is now.

You a rep or something hammer??.can see fertliser been well back next year.some big cartel in Eastern Europe was broken up and prices will fall back.deals will be done for urea at 350 to 400 max and compounds like 18 6 12 and pasture sward etc will be all sub 400.hopefully!!

hammer73

mahoney_j wrote: »

You a rep or something hammer??.can see fertliser been well back next year.some big cartel in Eastern Europe was broken up and prices will fall back.deals will be done for urea at 350 to 400 max and compounds like 18 6 12 and pasture sward etc will be all sub 400.hopefully!!

Yeah, selling for Yara. The cartel hadan effect on the price of potash, so wont influence the price of CAN and Ureaand will have little effect on the like of pasture sward due to the smallamount potash in it. Nitrogen is the main driver in the price of fertiliser soif that keeps rising like it is the compounds will follow.

jersey101

Im hoping to spread a bag of maize starte on the milking block come jan/feb. Grassland agro have a 19-16-0. Will try spread another bag in autumn then and spread can the rest of the year

funny man

I reckon there is a big fall coming, i have been contacted by my merchant offering Urea at €335 and CAN at €275. he tells me that prices are on the rise and he has nearly all that stock sold, but thats not what i'm hearing.

f140

jersey101 wrote: »

Im hoping to spread a bag of maize starte on the milking block come jan/feb. Grassland agro have a 19-16-0. Will try spread another bag in autumn then and spread can the rest of the year

what price roughly is that around. I need to spread p according to my soil samples. so was looking at that for a once off or else go with a few rounds of 25-4-0. any ideas of the price of either or I can ring the coop anyway tomorrow

hammer73

funny man wrote: »

I reckon there is a big fall coming.

What makes you think that there is a big fall coming?

jersey101

f140 wrote: »

what price roughly is that around. I need to spread p according to my soil samples. so was looking at that for a once off or else go with a few rounds of 25-4-0. any ideas of the price of either or I can ring the coop anyway tomorrow

havent a clue. Were soil sampleing next month and grassland are going to give us a deal on what we need. So they said any eay

funny man

hammer73 wrote: »

What makes you think that there is a big fall coming?

nothing other than the panic that merchants are doing to get rid of stock.

mahoney_j

funny man wrote: »

I reckon there is a big fall coming, i have been contacted by my merchant offering Urea at €335 and CAN at €275. he tells me that prices are on the rise and he has nearly all that stock sold, but thats not what i'm hearing.

Urea at 335 u might pm me a contact for that lad,that's a very good price .gran urea I presume

mahoney_j

funny man wrote: »

I reckon there is a big fall coming, i have been contacted by my merchant offering Urea at €335 and CAN at €275. he tells me that prices are on the rise and he has nearly all that stock sold, but thats not what i'm hearing.

Urea at 335 u might pm me a contact for that lad,that's a very good price .gran urea I presume

hammer73

mahoney_j wrote: »

Urea at 335 u might pm me a contact for that lad,that's a very good price .gran urea I presume

Your right, 335 if its Gran Urea is a very good price and 275 is very good got CAN as well.

bob charles

I cant see how you guys consider CAN at €275 good value, we were buying this in September for €290

Sure as you all know, to sell something fast you have to up the price

mahoney_j

bob charles wrote: »

I cant see how you guys consider CAN at €275 good value, we were buying this in September for €290

Sure as you all know, to sell something fast you have to up the price

Can at 250 or under is what I'd consider good value at the moment.on the Yarra fertliser how do lads find it .got results from there 27 2.5 5 and sulphur last year but didn't nAke much of there urea.much happier with gouldings stuff

mahoney_j

bob charles wrote: »

I cant see how you guys consider CAN at €275 good value, we were buying this in September for €290

Sure as you all know, to sell something fast you have to up the price

Can at 250 or under is what I'd consider good value at the moment.on the Yarra fertliser how do lads find it .got results from there 27 2.5 5 and sulphur last year but didn't nAke much of there urea.much happier with gouldings stuff

hammer73

mahoney_j wrote: »

Can at 250 or under is what I'd consider good value at the moment.

Good luck in finding CAN at 250 or under. Ill leave ye at it, im off for the spuds.

milkprofit

mahoney_j wrote: »

Can at 250 or under is what I'd consider good value at the moment.on the

Will take a couple of loads at that price where can i source

C4d78

Urea 365
Can 275
Price I got at start of week. How does it compare?

Farmer Pudsey

Got a quote today but think I will be holding off a while unless the last guy has a much better quote.

Urea 365
CAN+S 295
10-10-20 480
MOP 440
Sulpha Graze 425
Pasture Sward 395
18-6-12 380
Granlime 150

He hinted that prices are expected to drop in the new year. These are prices for 16T delivered will mix and match to suit my need, looking at it Urea, and 18-6-12 are nearly compeditive, CAN needs to drop at least 30 to get in the mix.

cute geoge

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Got a quote today but think I will be holding off a while unless the last guy has a much better quote.

Urea 365
CAN+S 295
10-10-20 480
MOP 440
Sulpha Graze 425
Pasture Sward 395
18-6-12 380
Granlime 150

He hinted that prices are expected to drop in the new year. These are prices for 16T delivered will mix and match to suit my need, looking at it Urea, and 18-6-12 are nearly compeditive, CAN needs to drop at least 30 to get in the mix.

I guess quote off plc in south west

tabby aspreme

Was pricing phosphate yesterday, 16% super 350/tonne but rep said not to buy as its due to fall in price, he didn't have a price for rock phosphate

mahoney_j

350 for urea
370 for 18 6 12
Can 270.
Deal more or less done for uraa and 18 6 12 .bluffed 340 for urea though and hopefully I'll get it.was told prices should soften further in new year especially can.will be got for 250 or less by late spring.

gozunda

PatQfarmer wrote: »

Any idea what the trend for prices is in 2014?
Co-op has left-over Can. Thinking of buying in advance.
Any idea what I should be paying?
Big bags, collected.
Thanks.

Unless it has been stored properly ie in a dry store with low humidity I would be a bit wary tbh. High humidity / damp will effect the levels of N in the big bags. You would also need to store it under similar circumstances to get the best out of it.

mahoney_j

Just having a look at journal and see gouldings have urea with a special coating that they now claim can be spread anytime of the year.id be very interested in this if price is right.anyond know anymore

ellewood

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just having a look at journal and see gouldings have urea with a special coating that they now claim can be spread anytime of the year.id be very interested in this if price is right.anyond know anymore

Just on that, I saw that as well and taught it is a very good idea, if it works and is not too much over the price of normal urea

But, what would the price difference between urea and can want to be, to make can better value taking into account the losses in urea.

And does urea suck the life out of land like some lads would make you belive??

Insp. Harry Callahan

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Got a quote today but think I will be holding off a while unless the last guy has a much better quote.

Urea 365
CAN+S 295
10-10-20 480
MOP 440
Sulpha Graze 425
Pasture Sward 395
18-6-12 380
Granlime 150

He hinted that prices are expected to drop in the new year. These are prices for 16T delivered will mix and match to suit my need, looking at it Urea, and 18-6-12 are nearly compeditive, CAN needs to drop at least 30 to get in the mix.

Bought a load today from a local co op- 20 ton 10.10.20 @ 417 left in shed
6 ton Can plus 5 sulphur 295.
(Could get Can plus 3 sulphur in Belfast for 283 delivered but their 10.10.20 was a bit dearer)

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

350 for urea
370 for 18 6 12
Can 270.
Deal more or less done for uraa and 18 6 12 .bluffed 340 for urea though and hopefully I'll get it.was told prices should soften further in new year especially can.will be got for 250 or less by late spring.

I can forward buy Urea or 18 6 12 from the local Glanbia for 370 cash, would be handy to have it on the books for this year, considering the prices you got, I'll probably go order some of the 18 6 12, I think I'll hold out on the Urea.

delaval

Insp. Harry Callahan wrote: »

Bought a load today from a local co op- 20 ton 10.10.20 @ 417 left in shed
6 ton Can plus 5 sulphur 295.
(Could get Can plus 3 sulphur in Belfast for 283 delivered but their 10.10.20 was a bit dearer)

Can you pm Belfast details?

mahoney_j

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just having a look at journal and see gouldings have urea with a special coating that they now claim can be spread anytime of the year.id be very interested in this if price is right.anyond know anymore

Lads anyone get any details on that urea in talking about above yet,price etc??.my Arrabawn rep not back till Monday

kevthegaff

think urea is arround 360
i was quoted from liffeys 290 can, pasure sward 390 18-6-12 390

jersey101

When are ye hoping to start spreading fert lads?

mahoney_j

jersey101 wrote: »

When are ye hoping to start spreading fert lads?

As soon after the 15 as weather and ground conditions allow.will go with about 30 units

jersey101

mahoney_j wrote: »

As soon after the 15 as weather and ground conditions allow.will go with about 30 units

Father would never spread that early. I'll have a job on my hands to get him to spread before 10th of feb

freedominacup

jersey101 wrote: »

Father would never spread that early. I'll have a job on my hands to get him to spread before 10th of feb

I was the same but I followed what the experts on the grass measuring thread were advising last year and it worked well for me so I'll be ready on the 15th and go asap after that if that's the consenus view. Does anyone place any store by the T sum 200 measure that the brits used to use? The cumulative daytime temps after Jan 1st and spread when you get to 200. We'd be at around 25 here now after 3 days.

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

Father would never spread that early. I'll have a job on my hands to get him to spread before 10th of feb

Think i may order a sneaky pallet of urea, hookup the fertiliser spreader and be out in the feilds before mine can stop me