Hyundai i30

road_high

Other half is trading in his Golf tdi for one of these, new. I'm dead against the idea myself, but am I just being an irrational badge snob?

I've not driven it, but had a look at one in the dealer yard up close. I was not particularly impressed at all, styling very bland etc. It's the Delux model with lots of extras. We test drove the Golf which I have to say I was impressed by. They just do what they do well and feel so solid. There's only 2k between the Korean and a Comfortline. Plus VW now are almost matching the warranty/servicing deals too. My main concerns are the residuals, comne trade in 4/5 years time the Hyundai is going to take a huge hit. And that styling is going to date bigtime.
BTW I'm just venting here; there's no talking to him. I just feel at 24k they're not great value at all anymore.

bazz26

How are VW nearly matching the warranty? To my knowledge VW's is 3 years and Hyundai is 5. Also I know looks are a personal thing but I just cannot for the life of me see who the Golf is less bland than the i30. The Golf hasn't really changed significantly in the looks department since the original.

Did you look at the Kia Ceed, it's the i30's sister car and has a 7 year warranty.

road_high

bazz26 wrote: »

How are VW nearly matching the warranty? To my knowledge VW's is 3 years and Hyundai is 5. Also I know looks are a personal thing but I just cannot for the life of me see who the Golf is less bland than the i30. The Golf hasn't really changed significantly in the looks department since the original.

Did you look at the Kia Ceed, it's the i30's sister car and has a 7 year warranty.

Vw warranty is 100 km limit same as Hyundai. So for many people that is the same thing. No didn't look at the ceed at all bazz. I quite like the Astra saloon as well. I just can't warm to the I 30 looks at all! Appears frumpy to me.

I think maybe that's the point with the golf, the styling was right from day one so why change it?!

confusedeire

road_high wrote: »

Vw warranty is 100 km limit same as Hyundai. So for many people that is the same thing. No didn't look at the ceed at all bazz. I quite like the Astra saloon as well. I just can't warm to the I 30 looks at all! Appears frumpy to me.

I think maybe that's the point with the golf, the styling was right from day one so why change it?!

the Hyundai i30 is a fantastic car imo

the i30 comes with a five year unlimited millage warranty and currently 5 years free servicing on top. 100k km is only 60k miles which wouldn't compare to the Hyundai coverage

Karl Stein

road_high wrote: »

BTW I'm just venting here; there's no talking to him.

If it's his money it's not really your place to tell him what to do.

Golfs aren't all they're cracked up to be anyway. I've always considered them overpriced and underpowered.

road_high

Carlos Roca wrote: »

If it's his money it's not really your place to tell him what to do.

Golfs aren't all they're cracked up to be anyway. I've always considered them overpriced and underpowered.

Well it is really . Oh I wouldn't have any of those if it was my money, would buy something nearly new /year old from the class above. No way would I spend 24 k on an i30. They were fine when they were 4/5k cheaper but now there's no difference really at all I don't see the point.
Everyone else appears to matching the warranty as well now too.

road_high

confusedeire wrote: »

the Hyundai i30 is a fantastic car imo

the i30 comes with a five year unlimited millage warranty and currently 5 years free servicing on top. 100k km is only 60k miles which wouldn't compare to the Hyundai coverage

He told me the Hyundai warranty was limited to 100 k km or 5 years. Whichever comes first. I must look that up. Well hopefully you're right.
I just hate the styling of it and in five years shudder to think how it will appear !

confusedeire

road_high wrote: »

He told me the Hyundai warranty was limited to 100 k km or 5 years. Whichever comes first. I must look that up. Well hopefully you're right.
I just hate the styling of it and in five years shudder to think how it will appear !

http://www.hyundai.ie/5-year-unlimited-mileage-warranty

here's there terms.

the servicing is covered for 5 years or 100000km so you get 5 free services. warranty is unlimited

road_high

confusedeire wrote: »

http://www.hyundai.ie/5-year-unlimited-mileage-warranty

here's there terms.

+1 for the plastic so, hadn't realised the warranty was "unlimited ". That's quite a big plus. Especially in this era of egrs/dpfs/turbos etc

JohnBoy26

road_high wrote: »

Well it is really . Oh I wouldn't have any of those if it was my money, would buy something nearly new /year old from the class above. No way would I spend 24 k on an i30. They were fine when they were 4/5k cheaper but now there's no difference really at all I don't see the point.
Everyone else appears to matching the warranty as well now too.

That's not exactly true though. Many cars including the golf come with only three years warranty. Also the Hyundai warranty is unlimited with regards mileage.

While the new golf is a very nice car and probably is nicer than the Hyundai, the Hyundai still isn't far behind it tbh. If it's a car for the long term the Hyundai might be the better bet due to the longer warranty.

Hyundai's aren't bargain basement cr*p anymore. To be fair they actually make good cars nowadays.

confusedeire

road_high wrote: »

+1 for the plastic so, hadn't realised the warranty was "unlimited ". That's quite a big plus. Especially in this era of egrs/dpfs/turbos etc

and the fiddly injectors that cost a fortune

road_high

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

That's not exactly true though. Many cars including the golf come with only three years warranty. Also the Hyundai warranty is unlimited with regards mileage.

While the new golf is a very nice car and probably is nicer than the Hyundai, the Hyundai still isn't far behind it tbh. If it's a car for the long term the Hyundai might be the better bet due to the longer warranty.

Hyundai's aren't bargain basement cr*p anymore. To be fair they actually make good cars nowadays.

I think it's the sight of all those accents, Getz, atoz and other such crap from their recent past that puts me off. When I see one of those that's what I associate with Hyundai. The styling if the I 30 does nothing for me either. Yea it's the warranty and the whole package on offer that is so tempting. They're heading for number one seller in Ireland with those. But as i said the prices have crept up....

JohnBoy26

road_high wrote: »

I think it's the sight of all those accents, Getz, atoz and other such crap from their recent past that puts me off. When I see one of those that's what I associate with Hyundai. The styling if the I 30 does nothing for me either. Yea it's the warranty and the whole package on offer that is so tempting. They're heading for number one seller in Ireland with those. But as i said the prices have crept up....

Ya prices have gone up but so has the quality of their cars. The difference in quality is massive between the I30 and the accent they were churning out not so long ago.

confusedeire

road_high wrote: »

I think it's the sight of all those accents, Getz, atoz and other such crap from their recent past that puts me off. When I see one of those that's what I associate with Hyundai. The styling if the I 30 does nothing for me either. Yea it's the warranty and the whole package on offer that is so tempting. They're heading for number one seller in Ireland with those. But as i said the prices have crept up....

but its quality came up with the price and they stand by it for 5 years. look at the Toyota there prices haven't come down but the quality certainly did lots of recalls in recent years.

you wouldn't look at a skoda a few years ago but its one of the best cars going now but the price came up with it.

road_high

confusedeire wrote: »

but its quality came up with the price and they stand by it for 5 years. look at the Toyota there prices haven't come down but the quality certainly did lots of recalls in recent years.

you wouldn't look at a skoda a few years ago but its one of the best cars going now but the price came up with it.

Toyota have actually gone the opposite way. The quality is way down but the prices aren't. Plus some of their basic spec lines are horrific!
Skoda had a couple of halo models that changed their perception in my head namely the superb and Octavia vrs. The I 40 was heading that way for me til I starting reading various things about poor diesel fuel economy.

confusedeire

road_high wrote: »

Toyota have actually gone the opposite way. The quality is way down but the prices aren't. Plus some of their basic spec lines are horrific!
Skoda had a couple of halo models that changed their perception in my head namely the superb and Octavia vrs. The I 40 was heading that way for me til I starting reading various things about poor diesel fuel economy.

that's what i said about toyota with there recalls on the cars

Supergurrier

Isn't the VW warranty only 2 years even though skodas has been 3 for ages now

Karl Stein

road_high wrote: »

Oh I wouldn't have any of those if it was my money

So it's not your money. Leave him make his own decisions. Stop trying to control him.

colm_mcm

road_high wrote: »

Toyota have actually gone the opposite way. The quality is way down but the prices aren't. Plus some of their basic spec lines are horrific!
Skoda had a couple of halo models that changed their perception in my head namely the superb and Octavia vrs. The I 40 was heading that way for me til I starting reading various things about poor diesel fuel economy.

I've only heard one person give out about the i40 fuel economy, and that was on here, by the same person, over and over.

road_high

Carlos Roca wrote: »

So it's not your money. Leave him make his own decisions. Stop trying to control him.

Yes I'm clearly trying to "control him". It's a car...

SQ2

I think they've really turned a corner with the current batch of models. If you covered up the branding on an i30 and an Auris you'd do well to guess which was which on the exterior anyway! I test drove an i30 deluxe last week and was pretty impressed (ex demo c€20k). Comfortable, roomy, quiet, decent power, nice interior... The only thing I wasn't keen on was the steering seemed very light. Cracking looking car to me, and their rep has improved an awful lot recently.

listermint

IMO the new I30 is far better looking than the new golf, I think the golf designers have ruined the lines in the last while and the car looks far to wide now to be a hatchback. It looks like its been designed entirely for the American market.

laura1990

road_high wrote: »

Other half is trading in his Golf tdi for one of these, new. I'm dead against the idea myself, but am I just being an irrational badge snob?

I've not driven it, but had a look at one in the dealer yard up close. I was not particularly impressed at all, styling very bland etc. It's the Delux model with lots of extras. We test drove the Golf which I have to say I was impressed by. They just do what they do well and feel so solid. There's only 2k between the Korean and a Comfortline. Plus VW now are almost matching the warranty/servicing deals too. My main concerns are the residuals, comne trade in 4/5 years time the Hyundai is going to take a huge hit. And that styling is going to date bigtime.
BTW I'm just venting here; there's no talking to him. I just feel at 24k they're not great value at all anymore.

My parents have an i30 at home, not too sure exact model but its half leather, aircon etc ect. Im a big car fan, a vw head mind you. I will admit the i30 is comfortable, does 40mpg, has all the bells and whistles of a modern. Not very fast, not crazy slow, its a 1.4 and it Never gives any hassle.

I have driven it and to be honest I wouldn't have it for free.
But that's me, I have a mk2 golf gti as a daily so maybe thats why the i30 dosen't cut it. My mum likes it, but would prefer a diesel, she's thinking of switching to the same car as my sister a 1.4 hdi peugeot, a far better car in everyway.

road_high

laura1990 wrote: »

My parents have an i30 at home, not too sure exact model but its half leather, aircon etc ect. Im a big car fan, a vw head mind you. I will admit the i30 is comfortable, does 40mpg, has all the bells and whistles of a modern. Not very fast, not crazy slow, its a 1.4 and it Never gives any hassle.

I have driven it and to be honest I wouldn't have it for free.
But that's me, I have a mk2 golf gti as a daily so maybe thats why the i30 dosen't cut it. My mum likes it, but would prefer a diesel, she's thinking of switching to the same car as my sister a 1.4 hdi peugeot, a far better car in everyway.

I've not driven it yet I admit but this is how i feel about them. It'll be a 1.6 diesel so might be better than your families one. What has your sister? Surprising to hear a Peugeot getting such praise, is it the 308? I love the new 308 styling and looks well priced too.

laura1990

road_high wrote: »

I've not driven it yet I admit but this is how i feel about them. It'll be a 1.6 diesel so might be better than your families one. What has your sister? Surprising to hear a Peugeot getting such praise, is it the 308? I love the new 308 styling and looks well priced too.

207 I think, yeah I hate french cars but if it was a toss between the i30 and the peugeot , i'd have the peugeot....but just based on the the driving experience. Although slow ( stupidly economical though, 60mpg +) its ok to drive, quiet too for a diesel. No aircon though but mp3/usb connections and all that jazz. Gives no hassle either, I imagine a 1.4 economical diesel should hold its value in the current climate as well.

JohnBoy26

laura1990 wrote: »

207 I think, yeah I hate french cars but if it was a toss between the i30 and the peugeot , i'd have the peugeot....but just based on the the driving experience. Although slow ( stupidly economical though, 60mpg +) its ok to drive, quiet too for a diesel. No aircon though but mp3/usb connections and all that jazz. Gives no hassle either, I imagine a 1.4 economical diesel should hold its value in the current climate as well.

I can't fathom how anyone would choose a 207 over an i30.

A Peugeot 207 is a class below an i30 and is no where near as well built either. Peugeot also took the"drive of your life" out of their cars many moons ago. New pugs are as dull as ditch water to drive.

to be fair a mk2 golf can't be compared an i30 either as it from a different era.

colm_mcm

I've driven petrol and diesel 207s and I can't get my head around the above. The petrol 1.4 only has 60hp and has an awful interior. Horrid shiny black hard plastics, its nowhere near as chuckable as a 206. The diesel is arguably better bit still sluggish.
The i30 is in the same class as the 308 but a much better drive.
For a 1.4 the Hyundai has plenty power at 108hp, granted its not a fireball but compared to its naturally aspirated competition its decent.
I much prefer diesel in the i30, you'd really want to drive one of those to compare with other diesels.

The mk7 Golf is a great car though, but I wouldn't feel short changed with a Ceed/i30 particularly in the higher specs, and the warranty is massively better on both.

laura1990

I said the driving experience of the 207 was better, not the interior. The i30 is awful to drive, the peugeot is better. Im comparing the 2008 1.4 petrol i30 to the 2009 1.4 207, nothing else.

colm_mcm

Granted, but if you drive a petrol 207 and a diesel i30 you might have a different view.

listermint

laura1990 wrote: »

I said the driving experience of the 207 was better, not the interior. The i30 is awful to drive, the peugeot is better. Im comparing the 2008 1.4 petrol i30 to the 2009 1.4 207, nothing else.

There isnt a 206 gearknob that i enjoyed putting my fist around. Like trying to find a needle in a haystack

Olson

.. The only thing I wasn't keen on was the steering seemed very light. Cracking looking car to me, and their rep has improved an awful lot recently.

That would be the flexs steering it has 3 settings it must have been set to comfort when you drove it, agreed nice car

Kerryfootball

Hi,

Recently bought a 2014 Kia Ceed Sw ex.
I have been very impressed with it and I think it's styling is better than cars such as the golf.

Great extras like led daytime lights, cruise control and parking sensors to name a few.

Got some nice complements too.

5 year warranty shows the belief Kia have in there car.

It's not all about the badge.

Kerryfootball

Hi,

Recently bought a 2014 Kia Ceed Sw ex.
I have been very impressed with it and I think it's styling is better than cars such as the golf.

Great extras like led daytime lights, cruise control and parking sensors to name a few.

Got some nice complements too.

5 year warranty shows the belief Kia have in there car.

It's not all about the badge.

colm_mcm

Thought the kia has a 7 year warranty?
Are you sure you didn't buy an i30

Kerryfootball

Haha sorry typo! Yes ofcourse 7 years

dutopia

It's all a matter of taste really but I find the VW Golf to be the most boring and generic car around. Even the newest model is only a little nicer looking than the previous one.

Moneymaker

The Mark VII Golf is so horribly bland.

The MkV was the last Golf I liked the look of.

The C'eed is streets ahead in terms of styling imo. Especially the 3 doors. Very striking.

MuppetCheck

Moneymaker wrote: »

The Mark VII Golf is so horribly bland.

The MkV was the last Golf I liked the look of.

The C'eed is streets ahead in terms of styling imo. Especially the 3 doors. Very striking.

The thing is though when you sit inside the golf it is a hell of a lot nicer.

Moneymaker

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The thing is though when you sit inside the golf it is a hell of a lot nicer.

Oh no doubt and that's why people still buy them. A VW interior still has that quality feel Kia and Hyundai still lack.

A choice between the two i'd still buy the Golf, plus you will get more money back out the other end, though Kia and Hyundai resale values are improving.

MuppetCheck

I've experience of a top spec ceed - this is my dad's.






I thought it was fine for a while bar one or two small bits and pieces but there's a hard to define something missing. Nothing feels bad (bar the leather - it's fake in the back) but VAG cars give off a better sense of quality even if it's not always the case.

JohnBoy26

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The thing is though when you sit inside the golf it is a hell of a lot nicer.

It was the same with the mk4 Golf.

The interior had a good quality feel to it and felt like a good quality product. However the cheapness of the interior was uncovered when the miles went up a bit in these as the dash began to develop rattles and the quality feeling of the door handles and switches dissapeared as the coating wore away revealing cheap plastic underneath.

I wonder will the mk7 be the same, or will the interior stand the test of time.

colm_mcm

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I've experience of a top spec ceed - this is my dad's.






I thought it was fine for a while bar one or two small bits and pieces but there's a hard to define something missing. Nothing feels bad (bar the leather - it's fake in the back) but VAG cars give off a better sense of quality even if it's not always the case.

Feck the ceed, have you any more pictures of that Hiace. Looks mint

MuppetCheck

colm_mcm wrote: »

Feck the ceed, have you any more pictures of that Hiace. Looks mint

That garage usually has "project" being done. Had a Manta before that. I had a few, I'll have a snoop a day see what I can find but I reckon they bit the dust with a phone.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Feck the ceed, have you any more pictures of that Hiace. Looks mint

Column change gearbox and all in those. Great vans and rare now

Moneymaker

I think a big part of it is aesthetics as well.

VW interiors are vastly superior in that regard.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It was the same with the mk4 Golf.

The interior had a good quality feel to it and felt like a good quality product. However the cheapness of the interior was uncovered when the miles went up a bit in these as the dash began to develop rattles and the quality feeling of the door handles and switches dissapeared as the coating wore away revealing cheap plastic underneath.

I wonder will the mk7 be the same, or will the interior stand the test of time.

I never had a vag interior wear in any noticeable way...now if you want rattles test drive a newer ceed, or the old model for that matter. The fathers talk at the moment is chucking it in for a new A3 saloon.

colm_mcm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Column change gearbox and all in those. Great vans and rare now

Knew a fella in cork that had a petrol one back in the day

JohnBoy26

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I never had a vag interior wear in any noticeable way...now if you want rattles test drive a newer ceed, or the old model for that matter. The fathers talk at the moment is chucking it in for a new A3 saloon.

You've never seen things like the grab handles worn down to shiny black cheap plastic.

I've seen plenty and not at very big miles.

Admittedly I've never driven the newer cee'd but I have driven the older cee'd and I haven't noticed any rattles.

The mk4 golf were terrible for dash rattles, especially around the radio area. They certinatly didn't have a quality interior despite the illusion of quality they gave off when new.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Knew a fella in cork that had a petrol one back in the day

I know someone who had a late 80's diesel one. It was an excellent van to take abuse and neglect. It just kept on going and going. They don't make them like they used to

road_high

Anyone hear the i30's horn? It's the most lame, cheap sounding thing. It's little things like this that set the fit and finish apart from a vw. There's a few other corners cut like the lights on the sun visors where the design is just not as slick. Don't find the seats any great shales either, average.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

You've never seen things like the grab handles worn down to shiny black cheap plastic.

I've seen plenty and not at very big miles.

Admittedly I've never driven the newer cee'd but I have driven the older cee'd and I haven't noticed any rattles.

The mk4 golf were terrible for dash rattles, especially around the radio area. They certinatly didn't have a quality interior despite the illusion of quality they gave off when new.

I've seen the rubber peel on those in the Golf's, Superbs and Passats, easily changed to be fair. Those are the parts that some Skodas don't have rubberized and it meant they wore better.

I think all cars have rattles somewhere but I can honestly say the worst I've come across is the first generation ceed. My sister doesn't give a toss about hers and it's annoying her. Like most rattles nothing that padding won't fix.