Overtaking madness.

ZENER

I had an altercation with a young chap in a silver 07 Punto last night on the N11 at about 19:20. He took offence to being overtaken and decided to perform absolutely frightening stunts at 60MPh on the motorway.

I have all the footage on dashcam and am tempted to bring it to the Gardai. One of the stunts was to to swerve in in front of me very close causing me to brake hard and skid, he then hit the anchors again causing me to skid behind him narrowly missing hitting his rear. He repeated this twice more and then drove parallel to a car in the left lane preventing me getting past.

The car on the left left the motorway and I pulled to the left to get away but the muppet swerved and braked several times preventing me getting in lane !! Eventually he pulled off the motorway at the Bray South exit after pulling along side to demonstrate how well he was doing at sign language classes.

Given that I have the video footage, if I'd actually hit him when he hit his brakes - would I have been in the wrong ? Should I put it down to experience and hope karma deals with this idiot or is there any point taking it to the Gardai ?

Still shaking after the incident !!

Ken

mitosis

Youtube, please

jjpep

Take it to the gardai. I don't want share a road with an idiot like that.

And even if you were initially in the wrong (I don't know and in a sense don't care) 'retaliation' like this is much more dangerous.

Truckermal

mitosis wrote: »

Youtube, please

Aye post it or it didn't happen. . Only joking op but post it please.

kollegeknight

Report it.

LeBash

Take it to the cops. Chances are theyll do nothing but somebody might give him a slap on the wrist and he might thinkbtwice about doing it again.

It is dangerous druving after all.

GrumPy

Dashcams are great for unfortunate events like this - use it.

I'm planning on investing in one myself for these exact scenarios.

You Tube !!!

djimi

Absolutely take it to the Gardai. They might do nothing about it, but then again you never know; plenty of dickheads around my area are well known to the Gardai for their driving antics and the Gardai seem to love any excuse to go after them.

keithsfleet

Well you're first port of call is to post it here, whatever after that

StompToWork

Please take the footage to the Gardai. If his registration number is visible on the footage, then the cops will definitely chase it up. If you hit him, given the footage, there wouldn't be a court in the land who would find you at fault.

I really think you should take it to the Guards.

CiniO

Agree.
Youtube the video here, and then take it to gardai.

DesperateDan

I second this youtube motion.

advertsfox

but43r

Agreed, Youtube please. You can't just tease us with the scenario, tell us that you have a video of it and then not show it. That's would be cruel.

bazzachazza

YouTube or delete the topic.

Seriously he was endangering road users go to the Gardai with it it might save his life or other road users if he is willing to do this just because you overtook. Is there more to the story though ?

Cuddlesworth

Anybody else curious as to the altercation that started it?

coolisin

He said he over took the young lad and the young lad took offense by the sounds of things!
Have you never had this before??
I know I have!
But OP please deliver the video for us to see.

GTE

Something similar happened to me one night. A boy racer in his Corsa didn't like the being overtaken by my skip on a climbing lane between Derry and Omagh, he just couldn't accelerate up as fast, TDI and all . I joke but I had the edge up the hill anyway for whatever reason.

He was tailgating so badly for a while after that. It was the worst I have experienced, but then out of nowhere he pulls up beside and ahead of me (solid lines on entry to a town), and does a handbrake 180 into a road at a junction.

I thought fair play to the idiot for the car control but then realised that he needed a 90 degree handbrake turn since he ended up pointing at a hedge so he was just a total a**wipe.

Taking the slight flippancy out of the post, it was wet, he had no idea what was going to pull out ahead of him and the speed limit was slowing upon entry to the town so the danger/idiocy levels were pretty damn high. He had no idea who or what could have already been in the road he "maneuvered" into.

JOSman

Send the video to his insurance company. I'd love to see his next premium.

moby2101

Take it to the Gardai, they will prosecute..
I had a similar incident some years ago... no dashcam evidence but the little toerag in question had a habit of bollocksacting on the road and the Gardai were only delighted to put him off the road.

road_high

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Anybody else curious as to the altercation that started it?

Same here...the cynic in me tells me there's a little more to the story than we are hearing.

_Kaiser_

road_high wrote: »

Same here...the cynic in me tells me there's a little more to the story than we are hearing.

Possibly, but not necessarily - I often come across the type that don't like being overtaken and then start acting the pryck about it afterwards - tailgating, coming up alongside you in the outside lane and sitting there, or overtaking you and then slowing down in front of you etc

Most of the time it's the BMW 3, B5 TDI Passat or A4 type, so if they persist at it I find the "mine's bigger than yours and I'm not afraid to use it" response is all that works. Might not be the "correct" response but given the piss-poor level of enforcement of anything other than cash-cow speed traps I find it usually does the trick.

farna_boy

Yeah was driving Limerick to Dublin a few months ago in the gfs Corsa. It was unbelievable the amount of people who couldn't handle being overtaken by a Corsa, it's pathetic really and the OP's story wouldn't surprise me if it happened exactly as they said.

ZENER

Sorry lads ! Was out partaking in Real-Life ™ . Just copied the video files to my computer now and will try to post them at some stage this evening. Going to have a quick word with a Garda mate of mine first though, don't want to prejudice anything they might decide to do.

All that preceded the incident was that the Punto and a Colt were hogging the overtaking lane (past junction 14 M50 where the limit increases to 120KM/h). I was in the left lane approaching them on the right and another car on the left in front. The distance between the 2 on the right was substantial and my plan was to pass the Colt by which time the Punto would have been past the car in the left then overtake and back into the left lane. The Colt had other ideas though and as I came up alongside hime he increased his speed to match mine and blocked me from overtaking, this was on purpose. The Punto had slowed a bit ahead and there was a better gap ahead so I went for it overtaking the car in the left lane and off I went. That's when it kicked off. While I was trying to avoid hitting the Punto the Colt was being a suppository as was right up my a$$ making it really difficult to pull back.

I hear the high horse brigade approaching so I'll take my leave and post back later.

Anyway back to my questions in the OP, if I had hit the Punto while he was brake-testing would I have been liable considering I had footage of the whole incident ?

Ken

road_high

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Possibly, but not necessarily - I often come across the type that don't like being overtaken and then start acting the pryck about it afterwards - tailgating, coming up alongside you in the outside lane and sitting there, or overtaking you and then slowing down in front of you etc

Most of the time it's the BMW 3, B5 TDI Passat or A4 type, so if they persist at it I find the "mine's bigger than yours and I'm not afraid to use it" response is all that works. Might not be the "correct" response but given the piss-poor level of enforcement of anything other than cash-cow speed traps I find it usually does the trick.

Kind of stuff ahppens to me too. I usually either leave them for dead or else let them off if they want to pass me out again, off ya go.

timmy4u2

ZENER wrote: »

Sorry lads ! Was out partaking in Real-Life ™ . Just copied the video files to my computer now and will try to post them at some stage this evening. Going to have a quick word with a Garda mate of mine first though, don't want to prejudice anything they might decide to do.

All that preceded the incident was that the Punto and a Colt were hogging the overtaking lane (past junction 14 M50 where the limit increases to 120KM/h). I was in the left lane approaching them on the right and another car on the left in front. The distance between the 2 on the right was substantial and my plan was to pass the Colt by which time the Punto would have been past the car in the left then overtake and back into the left lane. The Colt had other ideas though and as I came up alongside hime he increased his speed to match mine and blocked me from overtaking, this was on purpose. The Punto had slowed a bit ahead and there was a better gap ahead so I went for it overtaking the car in the left lane and off I went. That's when it kicked off. While I was trying to avoid hitting the Punto the Colt was being a suppository as was right up my a$$ making it really difficult to pull back.

I hear the high horse brigade approaching so I'll take my leave and post back later.

Anyway back to my questions in the OP, if I had hit the Punto while he was brake-testing would I have been liable considering I had footage of the whole incident ?

Ken

Having just read your post above are you saying that you attempted to overtake on the inside.
Whereas what the Colt driver did may be illegal it is also illegal to overtake on the inside.
All on dashcam. My opinion both of you would be prosecuted.

ZENER

. . . and there off . . . I wasn't "overtaking" I was passing on the left lane as he was going slow. I didn't change from the right lane to the left lane and back in to the right lane - the opposite of overtaking = "undertaking" to coin the phrase. I know there's been debate here before regarding passing traffic to your right when it's going slower than you. Hence I expected the high horse brigade . . . right on cue

Ken

djimi

ZENER wrote: »

. . . and there off . . . I wasn't "overtaking" I was passing on the left lane as he was going slow. I didn't change from the right lane to the left lane and back in to the right lane - the opposite of overtaking = "undertaking" to coin the phrase. I know there's been debate here before regarding passing traffic to your right when it's going slower than you. Hence I expected the high horse brigade . . . right on cue

Ken

The law is against passing cars on the left; it makes no reference to changing lanes in order to do so. Its not a grey area.

Im not trying to sound high horse, however if you have video evidence of you breaking this law then perhaps showing it to the Gardai might not be the best idea, unless you are prepared to have your own actions questioned also.

GTE

Can we at least wait until there is a video of what is going on before the thread gets clogged up with over/undertaking who done its undertaking blah blah blah.

There has been more than enough of this lark in one mega thread and about 4 or so others getting dredged up in the last week or so.

Lets get angry about something which is NOT a grey area to us all (by grey area I mean people arguing for or against it here)

drunkmonkey

You tube them to carzone to find a car that can smoke a punto.

ZENER

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Having just read your post above are you saying that you attempted to overtake on the inside.
Whereas what the Colt driver did may be illegal it is also illegal to overtake on the inside.
All on dashcam. My opinion both of you would be prosecuted.

May I draw your attention to the bottom of page 52 of the ROTR.

You may overtake on the left when:

You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
You have signalled that you intend to turn left.
Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Ken

Mycroft H

Put the video up and less of the arguing over semantics

djimi

ZENER wrote: »

May I draw your attention to the bottom of page 52 of the ROTR.

You may overtake on the left when:

You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
You have signalled that you intend to turn left.
Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Ken

The actual traffic laws (the ROTR are only a plain English interpretation, and often a bad one) state "in slow moving traffic", which is to be taken to mean basically stop-start.

dmc17

ZENER wrote: »

May I draw your attention to the bottom of page 52 of the ROTR.

You may overtake on the left when:

You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
You have signalled that you intend to turn left.
Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Ken

May I draw your attention to the bottom of page 1172 of the Rules Of The Boards.

You must not create a thread where:

You describe an interesting situation you have been involved in, whilst possessing a video of said situation without making available to fellow boardsies said video for their entertainment education within a reasonable* amount of time

*reasonable amount of time has been defined as roughly an hour...maybe two at most

ZENER

Ok so here's the video warts 'n all. Apologies for the poor quality, Maplins cheapest. Cue ridicule, pointing and mockery . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYWjC_ff1Y

Ken

Mycroft H

Can you try link it again? Not working.

Wexfordian

ZENER wrote: »

Ok so here's the video warts 'n all. Apologies for the poor quality, Maplins cheapest. Cue ridicule, pointing and mockery . . .

Ken

That appears to be more warts then video? Looks like the address is off somehow?

ZENER

Plays fine for me ?!

Ken

Alanstrainor

I fixed it...

For future reference:

The youtube URL will look like the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYWjC_ff1Y

Take what's after v= and put it between the

.jacksparrow.

Looks like you were tight overtaking and getting
in front of him, you probably missed him by a few feet, but no excuse for what he done, so dangerous.

Wexfordian

Yep, works now. As for the content, it does come across that you cut him up a bit (maybe camera angle?), but thereafter it was classic road rage idiocy.

ZENER

Just to point out, the time and date are wrong because this piece of crap camera sometimes (most times ?) locks up and needs to be reset to work again. Got a pain in my ar$e setting the time every time this happened. Note to self - buy a decent dash cam !

Ken

AugustusMinimus

The guy brake tested you twice and also started to swerve all over the road. Not nice.

I suggest you present the video to the gardai, but delete the bit where you undertook him at the start.

djimi

How much room did you leave when you pulled out in front of him? Looks a bit tight to me.

Obviously no excuse for his nonsense. No excuse for him being in the overtaking lane either.

Also, if that is the best quality that you have then I wouldnt bother showing it to the Gardai. The undertaking aside (which they could quite legitimately pull you up over), Im not sure you even get the reg of the car, do you?

Mycroft H

OP needs a more powerful car to leave stupid idiots in puntos behind.

R.O.R

You pissed someone off with a very dodgy undertake, and then sat in the outside lane for a while.

He acted like a tool afterwards.

Two wrongs etc.

Choose what type of bridge to build, begin construction and just get the hell on with life.

fg10291

Looks like you were pretty close to him after you moved out in front of him, couldn't blame driver of punto for being pissed off, but that doesn't excuse punto behaviour either.

I don't think I'd bother showing this to guards, you may have to explain your driving as well

Bigserious1

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Looks like you were tight overtaking and getting
in front of him, you probably missed him by a few feet, but no excuse for what he done, so dangerous.

I'd say what you did was more dangerous than his antics afterwards to be honest.

Fair enough I can understand undertaking the first car but undertaking through a gap that size was ridiculous.

What followed was just hand bags but your fault at the start and then you could have just backed off rather than drive right up the back of him.

AugustusMinimus

Bigserious1 wrote: »

I'd say what you did was more dangerous than his antics afterwards to be honest.

Fair enough I can understand undertaking the first car but undertaking through a gap that size was ridiculous.

What followed was just hand bags but your fault at the start and then you could have just backed off rather than drive right up the back of him.

Brake testing in the overtaking lane of a motorway is not handbags.

Gumbo

Am I the only one that thinks it looks closer and tighter that is is due to the camera viewing angle?

I couldn't be bothered if somebody undertakes or not, the OP did so because the pinto was sitting in the outside lane. The pinto is a pr1ck of the highest order and I would have no hesitation in sending the video to the gardai if that's what the OP wants to do.