Helicopter crashes into Glasgow pub

Oscar Bravo

Just breaking news now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25163045

Oscar Bravo

Police Helicopter police.jpg

A Dub in Glasgo

****** hell, it is the Clutha Vaults. Definitely a police helicopter

Oscar Bravo

Afraid so. reports that it was packed tonight. also reports that the "engine was spluttering and helicopter cartwheeling"

A Dub in Glasgo

Jesus, I was in there 2 weeks ago for a good session

feargale

Keep us updated please.

weisses

More news/pics

http://news.sky.com/story/1175697/police-helicopter-crashes-into-glasgow-pub-roof

Hope its not as bad as is feared

randy hickey

Sky reporting that it was a Eurocopter EC-135 T2 - the same aircraft used by the Garda Air Support Unit if I'm not mistaken.

jimbis

Judging by pictures I've seen it seems one, maybe two of the rotar blades aren't damaged and are still sitting as they should be with regards to the way the tail is sticking up out of the building. With almost all heli crashes the rotars are first to go? and according to witnesses they said it 'dropped from the sky like a stone' which may suggest engine failure and the pilot used autorotation to land it quickly.. No choice but to land on the roof and it eventually gave way?

Time will tell, but it doesn't seem to be a high impact crash so hopefully all survived.

A Dub in Glasgo

At least 6 people dead. With the rotors relatively intact, could this be a controlled ditching on the roof and it gave way?

kona

Gearbox failure?

Scotty15

they could have run out of fuel because there was no fire.

A Dub in Glasgo

8 confirmed dead, 2 police officers, the pilot and 5 punters in the pub

eastmayo

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

8 confirmed dead, 2 police officers, the pilot and 5 punters in the pub

Thats just awfull.r.i.p. to them.

DieselPowered

Not saying this post is related to the accident in Scotland, but this model had some issues in the past with the autotrim disengaging automatically. The company were asked to look into this and improve the design.

AAIU from the CAA in 2007 - Here

"The helicopter’s autotrim in the Automatic Flight System disengaged and the helicopter pitched nose-down. The pilot, believing he had a double engine
failure, entered autorotation"

"It is recommended that Eurocopter review the design of the Stability Augmentation System (SAS) DCPL switch on the EC135 helicopter to reduce the likelihood of inadvertent de-activation of the SAS".

EI-DOR

they could have run out of fuel because there was no fire.

Not necessarily Scotty. The EC135 was specifically designed with crash worthy fuel tanks, incorporating rubber bladder inserts. Same with the 145 and other Eurocopter types. They have proved their effectiveness on several occasions!

salthilljouno

Any one got any pictures of the wreckage of the chopper yet . or does anyone know if when its being removed , will it be live on tv .

stampydmonkey

salthilljouno wrote: »

Any one got any pictures of the wreckage of the chopper yet . or does anyone know if when its being removed , will it be live on tv .

Man your some troll

pidgeoneyes

salthilljouno wrote: »

Any one got any pictures of the wreckage of the chopper yet . or does anyone know if when its being removed , will it be live on tv .

Hopperdavy, I thought you went to Glasgow. Oh wait, you're full of sh!t!!!

bumper234

pidgeoneyes wrote: »

Hopperdavy, I thought you went to Glasgow. Oh wait, you're full of sh!t!!!

Reported his trolling already so shouldn't have to read too much more of his idiocy.

Savage93

salthilljouno wrote: »

Any one got any pictures of the wreckage of the chopper yet . or does anyone know if when its being removed , will it be live on tv .

Hello HOPPERDAVE you nut

salthilljouno

I thought those Helis were fitted with ejection seats , ? Why did they not eject ?

pidgeoneyes

salthilljouno wrote: »

I thought those Helis were fitted with ejection seats , ? Why did they not eject ?

Ah here!

salthilljouno

Oh and another question . How much is all this rescue effort costing and who is paying for it ?

DieselPowered

There is possible potential for a lot of police air support units who use this type to be grounded until they discover what happened with this heli.
Its not a good record for the Scottish police, this is the 3rd heli down in 20 years?

salthilljouno

Anyone got any names and addresses of the 3 on the heli? , I want to post them up on some aviation forums

pidgeoneyes

salthilljouno wrote: »

Oh and another question . How much is all this rescue effort costing and who is paying for it ?

I would imagine the Scotish taxpayer is paying for it! And I doubt people are going to start complaining about emergency services doing their jobs.

Aestivalis

You're not even being subtle now mate.

salthilljouno

Oh sorry I forgot , its only The IRISH who post up and complain about the cost of rescue efforts .

Uk citizens may have a little more respect

pidgeoneyes

salthilljouno wrote: »

Oh sorry I forgot , its only The IRISH who post up and complain about the cost of rescue efforts .

Uk citizens may have a little more respect

Ubertwat

salthilljouno

Still want to know if they had ejection seats on the Heli .

EI-DOR

Salthill, give it a rest. You know as well as anybody that Helicopters don't have ejection seats due to the rotor system!

Aestivalis

EI-DOR wrote: »

Salthill, give it a rest. You know as well as anybody that Helicopters don't have ejection seats due to the rotor system!

Dont reply to him. Just report and ignore, he's saying this stuff on purpose to get a reaction. i.e he's a troll.

salthilljouno

EI-DOR wrote: »

Salthill, give it a rest. You know as well as anybody that Helicopters don't have ejection seats due to the rotor system!

Give it a rest ! Im only starting, this is one of the biggest events in my field of expertise in the past few years .

At least give me the pleasure in doing what I do best when something like this happens .

HeidiHeidi

salthilljouno wrote: »

Any one got any pictures of the wreckage of the chopper yet . or does anyone know if when its being removed , will it be live on tv .

salthilljouno wrote: »

Oh and another question . How much is all this rescue effort costing and who is paying for it ?

salthilljouno wrote: »

Anyone got any names and addresses of the 3 on the heli? , I want to post them up on some aviation forums

salthilljouno wrote: »

Still want to know if they had ejection seats on the Heli .

salthilljouno wrote: »

Give it a rest ! Im only starting, this is one of the biggest events in my field of expertise in the past few years .

At least give me the pleasure in doing what I do best when something like this happens .

:eek:

I'm truly glad that the death of six people is "one of the biggest events in your field of expertise", and that it gives you pleasure.

I hope it stays fine for you.

:eek:

urajoke

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

:eek:

I'm truly glad that the death of six people is "one of the biggest events in your field of expertise", and that it gives you pleasure.

I hope it stays fine for you.

:eek:

He's a troll, he's on a wind up. He's already been banned once tonight username hopperdavy. Obviously gets bored of a Saturday night a thinks its best to go online and get sick little kicks out of winding people up.

urajoke

Can everyone please just report his posts so mods will take notice and ban him again

HeidiHeidi

urajoke wrote: »

He's a troll, he's on a wind up. He's already been banned once tonight username hopperdavy. Obviously gets bored of a Saturday night a thinks its best to go online and get sick little kicks out of winding people up.

I gathered that, but thought I might just make him think about how sick his posts actually are in the context of this tragedy :mad:

Report gone in earlier.

EI-DOR

Can everyone please just report his posts so mods will take notice and ban him again

Done that earlier!

urajoke

As have I three times. Report each of his posts.

DieselPowered

Can some mod please tidy up this thread and put it back on track as per aviation title.

thanks.

salthilljouno

So what , people die everyday for all sorts of reasons , This is just another one get over it .

Im interested in this from the aviation and photographic point of view and indulge myself in the hard luck and suffering of others.

andy_g

Mr E. one of our admins got him. Back on topic please.

flazio

Do these types of aircraft carry flight recorders?

A Dub in Glasgo

I don't think so

EI-DOR

No the EC135 is not equipped with an FDR. The FADECs will provide limited information I believe!

A Dub in Glasgo

I took a photo of the helicopter last year flying over my house, looks like it is the same pilot who died RIP

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81023435&postcount=2773

EI-DOR

That's a great shot. I seen Dave display the Chinook at the Air Tattoo a few years back. Phenomenal flying. Best helicopter display I ever seen. 20 years in the RAF and two wars under his belt!

fivesixtwo

My first posting on this and most important my sincere condolences to all those involved in this tragic incident .

On a previous post it was stated that the 135 may not have been fitted with a FDR .

Perhaps not, but as a police aircraft it would have been fitted with its own fitted for purpose police recording equipment anyway .ie Day-night camera and audio recording .

The FDR would only be of use to the investigators purpose of preventing further crashes in preparing a report on this anyway .

IF the UK authorities operate in the same manner as the regulations here , any fault or any negligence of behalf of the pilot or the operator, if there was any would be removed from the transcript of the CVR that would NOT be available to the public or the innocent victims of the crash and their families .
As here they will only get an incomplete transcript of the CVR IF there is any culpability on behalf of the crew or the operator .

Hopefully there will be a speedy and transparent investigation for the sake of all involved and they wont be left for years trying to find out why their loved ones were killed, not how.

mackjark

Fivesixtwo, you make a good point and already there seems to be an attempt by the police to control the release of information judging by the lack of detail in their news conferences. One relative of a missing man is reportedly angry at lack of information. I'm not surprised. There is something odd about the way this is being handled.

fivesixtwo

Yes nothing new in that , same situation exists here .well proven at this stage .