I have to leave my council house im scared

leeleed

Hi im not sure if anyone can help but ive been living in a council house for around 5 years now and all was fine for the first year and all hell broke loose. Then all quietened down again until last week where my partner was taken somewhere by a group of men that live on the estate because they think he is a rat even though he wouldn't ever do that he thought these men were his friends he would help them out whenever they needed. Anyway they took him off and threatened his life he was kept against his will and threatened and was told if he told anyone he would be killed. We are quiet people and do not cause bother with anyone now I dont know what to do we cant go to the guards because they will know and we cant stay in the house out of fear for our self's and the kids we just dont know what to do and we cant see the council helping us. If anyone has any help or advice please get in touch thanks

burgermasters

Look for an inte transfer you can do it privately as long as your on the transfer list, Don't report them, sounds like that would be a bad move,

burgermasters

Look for an inte transfer you can do it privately as long as your on the transfer list, Don't report them, sounds like that would be a bad move,

leeleed

only problem with that is it will take too long i dont want to spend another night in that house ever again

ABajaninCork

I'm really sorry OP. But I think you will HAVE to get the Gards involved. I understand you're scared, but I really don't see you've much choice. These bullies are relying on the fact you're frightened. If you leave that house now, where will you go and what will you do? You've got kids -right?? Are you able to get some money together and rent privately?

Can you go down to the council offices in the morning and explain what's happened? If you get a report from the Gards, that'll help strengthen your case.

leeleed

i plan on going to the council in the morning and local TD's but i honestly cannot go back to that house if all else fails im going to have to move to england. Jesus the things they did they would get locked up for but I just cannot go to the guards they will know it is us and that will be it

The_Morrigan

leeleed wrote: »

i plan on going to the council in the morning and local TD's but i honestly cannot go back to that house if all else fails im going to have to move to england. Jesus the things they did they would get locked up for but I just cannot go to the guards they will know it is us and that will be it

Your only option is the gardaí ring them immediately

ABajaninCork

Not being funny, but this sounds heavy duty. If you move to England, are you able to move in a hurry with kids and how do you know you won't be found? Would there be a support network for you over?? How will you be able to survive??

You need to think your next move through very carefully.

Lingua Franca

If you're never going back to that house again, why not contact the gards? Making it a gardai matter will help you get rehoused as an emergency and will put off the thugs threatening you - after all, if they're questioned then they're in the frame if anything happens to you.

They're blackmailing you and the only way to stop someone blackmailing you is to call their bluff.

Call the gards.

corkonion

dont call the guards, its easy for holy mary's to advise that, but in the real world you got to look after you and yours, get out of there no matter how, go to uk if needs be, look after you're own, once settled elsewhere you can become a good Samaritan and call the gardai if you want, but DO NOT DO IT NOW,,,, the gardai have feck all resources, you will be on a list and doomed

ABajaninCork

corkonion wrote: »

dont call the guards, its easy for holy mary's to advise that, but in the real world you got to look after you and yours, get out of there no matter how, go to uk if needs be, look after you're own, once settled elsewhere you can become a good Samaritan and call the gardai if you want, but DO NOT DO IT NOW,,,, the gardai have feck all resources, you will be on a list and doomed

All fine and dandy. Why not totally scare the poor girl witless?? Does the OP have the resources to move straight away?

She needs to calm down as best she can, try not to panic and think about what she needs to do and how best it can be achieved.

leeleed

corkonion im completely with you on this I cannot go to the guards its out of the question, Ive just got to get out and find out how as quick as possible im staying at my mums at the moment i have family in the uk but i didnt want to take the kids away from there family here. Its like something u see on telly i didnt think these people were capable of this. My little 4 year old girl plays with these mens daughters its awful and i just wish i knew what to do

TimeToShine

Telling her to call the gards is an armchair piece of advice.

Just go down to the council office and explain your situation. If you or your partners life is in danger you need to move immediately. If these people are as capable as you make them out to be then the gards won't have the resources to do anything about it.

The_Morrigan

TimeToShine wrote: »

Telling her to call the gards is an armchair piece of advice.

Just go down to the council office and explain your situation. If you or your partners life is in danger you need to move immediately. If these people are as capable as you make them out to be then the gards won't have the resources to do anything about it.

So do nothing and let them do the same to the next set of tenants?

leeleed

thanks time to shine my point exactly the guards here are not the best people were fighting and causing war a few years ago on another estate someone called the guards and they asked how many were there when told between 15-20 they never showed up

leeleed

im sorry but in the here and now my family is what matters mabey the next tenants might be someone that could take these men on but im only 26 with 2 small kids and I certainly cannot

The_Morrigan

leeleed wrote: »

im sorry but in the here and now my family is what matters mabey the next tenants might be someone that could take these men on but im only 26 with 2 small kids and I certainly cannot

Are you here to seek advice on the best course of action or are you just looking for someone to agree with a decision you've already made?

leeleed

advice as stated but go to the guards dont go to the guards is no good to me I cannot go to the guards and thats it.

The_Morrigan

leeleed wrote: »

advice as stated but go to the guards dont go to the guards is no good to me I cannot go to the guards and thats it.

There isn't any other advice to give you.
What is a TD or the council going to do if you haven't reported this to the Gardaí?

The gardaí have to be involved if this is as serious as you are implying.

leeleed

im just terrified if i go to the guards they will find out and come after us if i leave quietly mabey they wont

sabat

What do you expect people to say exactly? Try getting the 'RA after them or maybe buy an M60 and shoot up their clubhouse if you don't want the police or council's help.

KERSPLAT!

sabat wrote: »

What do you expect people to say exactly? Try getting the 'RA after them or maybe buy an M60 and shoot up their clubhouse if you don't want the police or council's help.

She's afraid to go to the police and does want the council's help...

leeleed

did i say i didnt want the councils help if ur going to post useless comments then dont bother because i really dont need it to be honest I was hoping maybe someone else knew someone or had an experience where they had to leave a council house and what they did and how they went about things

The_Morrigan

leeleed wrote: »

im just terrified if i go to the guards they will find out and come after us if i leave quietly mabey they wont

That is ridiculous logic. No one leaves a house quietly unless they flee with just the clothes on their back.
Ring the gardaí any chance of the council working quickly will depend on an incident being reported.
How else are they to treat the case as serious?

fussyonion

If this is a genuine post, then OP you HAVE to go to the Gardai.
People like that are never going to be dealt with unless someone bites the bullet.

Can you not call the police anonymously and tell them what's been going on?
If these guys are nutjobs like you say, then it won't really be a surprise to them to get a visit from the cops, will it?
Also get down to the Council, after you've called the Gardai and tell them your life is in danger.

You don't have any other option as far as I can see, but I tell you something..I certainly wouldn't let some scrotebags run me out of my home.
I'd get in touch with the local residents association or committee and get these toerags dealt with.

KERSPLAT!

fussyonion wrote: »

If this is a genuine post, then OP you HAVE to go to the Gardai.
People like that are never going to be dealt with unless someone bites the bullet.

Can you not call the police anonymously and tell them what's been going on?
If these guys are nutjobs like you say, then it won't really be a surprise to them to get a visit from the cops, will it?
Also get down to the Council, after you've called the Gardai and tell them your life is in danger.

You don't have any other option as far as I can see, but I tell you something..I certainly wouldn't let some scrotebags run me out of my home.
I'd get in touch with the local residents association or committee and get these toerags dealt with.

What would a residents association do, write a strongly worded letter?

I personally think, from the info you have given, that you should leave the house, go to the guards first thing in the morning and make a statement, go to the council and your local TD.

I don't know for sure but I don't think the council will entertain you if you don't report it.

The_Morrigan

sabat wrote: »

What do you expect people to say exactly? Try getting the 'RA after them or maybe buy an M60 and shoot up their clubhouse if you don't want the police or council's help.

Do not encourage criminal activity.

Morri

leeleed

maybe i will have to go to the guards i dont know ill go to the council and see what they say

KERSPLAT!

leeleed wrote: »

maybe i will have to go to the guards i dont know ill go to the council and see what they say

All the best. Horrible situation, hopefully you can get something sorted

ABajaninCork

leeleed wrote: »

maybe i will have to go to the guards i dont know ill go to the council and see what they say

It's awful, I know, but in order for the council to act, the Gards HAVE to be told. FWIW, I think you're very brave and are absolutely doing the right thing. Have courage, OP. Are you able to get your Mum or a mate to come with you?

Good luck!

leeleed

my partner is going to come with me so please god everything will be ok

ABajaninCork

Everything's going to work out just fine. You have your partner with you, and either way, it'll be sorted.

Hang tough!

Zambia

Op sounds to me like your partner is knee deep in with these guys. Hoods do not kidnap complete randoms.

What's his opinion?

ahnowbrowncow

I've read the op 3 times now and tbh I'm not sure what's going on, what hell broke loose after the first year? How or why would a new tenant have to deal with these guys?

biggebruv

for some reason i think your fella is leaving out a good chunk of the story why would they out of nowere just kidnap him?

wat hell broke loose before all this you never said? did it involve you?

obplayer

leeleed wrote: »

until last week where my partner was taken somewhere by a group of men that live on the estate because they think he is a rat even though he wouldn't ever do that he thought these men were his friends he would help them out whenever they needed.

What has your partner been 'helping out' in? Whatever else you do you need, in my opinion, to reconsider your partner. Get to a place of safety, the UK if need be, then consider your options. For now ask close family, brothers, sisters, cousins etc. to give you refuge, ideally at a distance from this, and consider your options.

AlanS181824

What a horrible situation to be in, hope it all works out okay for you OP.

murphaph

Agree with the above. Criminals don't generally kidnap random people they live beside. There's more to this than we're being told. Perhaps the OP doesn't know the full story (sounds plausible actually) but the Guards will indeed be interested in how the OP's partner has been "helping out".

My own suspicions are that drugs are involved. The OP possibly doesn't now the truth. Pity her if that's the case and she should take the advice given to seek out immediate help from family and ask herself just what her partner has been up to.

D3PO

The OP 100% has to go to the Gardaí to sort this out. Im not sure if the OP is actually scared that they will find out or if going to the gardai means her partner is likely to face some stern questions.

Random people don't get kidnapped and have their life threatened. Weather you believe it or not OP theres more to this than meets the eye. You need to have a sit down with your partner and get him to explain what the hell is actually going on first and formost.

Valentine1

If the OP is in fact genuine neither the Council nor any TD will take any steps without the Gardai being involved. What the OP claims happened is exceptionally serious and Gardai are the ones to deal with it.

kop-end

this whole post sounds ropey to be honest, it seems either the OP or the boyfriend may know more than they are saying.

Anyway, are eirigi in your area? Maybe contact them at a local level and see what they advise, its not the ideal option but drastic times call for drastic measures.

angelfire9

kop-end wrote: »

this whole post sounds ropey to be honest, it seems either the OP or the boyfriend may know more than they are saying.

Anyway, are eirigi in your area? Maybe contact them at a local level and see what they advise, its not the ideal option but drastic times call for drastic measures.

:eek:
Call in the criminals to deal with the kidnappers?
That is some bizarre advice
OP go to the Gardaí if your other half was kidnapped & held against his will you have no choice really

kop-end

angelfire9 wrote: »

:eek:
Call in the criminals to deal with the kidnappers?
That is some bizarre advice
OP go to the Gardaí if your other half was kidnapped & held against his will you have no choice really

If you lived in the real world then you would understand my advice. I have seen on numerous occasions were somthing 'anti-social' happens in a working class area that when all else fails, ist usually SF of Eirigi that can 'solve' the issue. I am not saying its ideal but if this scenario is true then this is an option.

6541

If I was you I would go to my local Sein Fein TD, I think the problem might disappear quiet quickly.

djimi

kop-end wrote: »

If you lived in the real world then you would understand my advice. I have seen on numerous occasions were somthing 'anti-social' happens in a working class area that when all else fails, ist usually SF of Eirigi that can 'solve' the issue. I am not saying its ideal but if this scenario is true then this is an option.

I dont know much about this Erigi crowd, but if they would do what you are suggesting then advising the OP to put themselves in the debt of a dubious organization is not exactly the best way to sort the issue long term.

The_Morrigan

I have already posted on this thread that suggesting illegal or criminal activity to sort out this issue is not to be advised.
One more mention of these tactics will result in bans.

Morri

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kop-end

djimi wrote: »

I dont know much about this Erigi crowd, but if they would do what you are suggesting then advising the OP to put themselves in the debt of a dubious organization is not exactly the best way to sort the issue long term.

So what would you reccomend? the Gardai?
It seems the OP knows exactly what response to expect from the Gardai and I agree with her. She has not got the time for that. The Council may help but the red-tape will take forever.

Honestly, in a perfect world you would contact the gardai and the council and they would have the bad guys taken away but this is not how realty works...

djimi

kop-end wrote: »

So what would you reccomend? the Gardai?
It seems the OP knows exactly what response to expect from the Gardai and I agree with her. She has not got the time for that. The Council may help but the red-tape will take forever.

Honestly, in a perfect world you would contact the gardai and the council and they would have the bad guys taken away but this is not how realty works...

I recommend that the OP first sit down with her partner and get the full story (because there is almost certainly a lot more to this than either she realises or is willing to let on here), and from there decide if they want to involve the Gardai or just get the hell out of there. Going toe to toe with people like this is not going to end well; even if you draft in the heavies to "sort them out", do you think it will end there? The OP has young children; the risk of retaliation from something like that is probably worse than if they get the Gardai involved.

My advice is in the short term get the kids to somewhere that is safe, be it with the parents, or even with family in the UK if that is what is necessary. From there they can decide their next move, but if they wish to get the council involved to help then they will need to involve the Gardai, and it will take time.

It might well be worth getting in touch with the council also on an informal basis perhaps, and see what they recommend. It wont be the first time that a situation like this has arisen, and Im sure they will be able to advise how best to proceed. It might also be worth doing the same with the Gardai; perhaps leave out the details but seek advice first. They wont go barrelling into something head on if they feel it puts the people involved at greater risk.

Mrs OBumble

6541 wrote: »

If I was you I would go to my local Sein Fein TD, I think the problem might disappear quiet quickly.

This +100.

Except that whether it works will depend on what exactly the OP isn't telling us. Because obviously there is something.

OP, if your partner is abusing you (either physically or emotionally - eg by wanting you too keep living there, or forcing you to get involved in crimes), then Women's Aid is another option. http://www.womensaid.ie/

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