Christmas Special - (Spoilers)

The Master

Splitting this from the 50th thread to avoid confusion

Xmas Episode
This is what I've heard we're getting this Christmas

A few different people have been saying this or slight variations on this

SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

Not my spoilers by the way just what's doing the rounds of the rumor mill lately

SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

"On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered. The First Question, the oldest question in the Universe, that must never be answered, hidden in plain sight. Doctor Who?"

The episode will take place in Christmas Town (I know,right on the nose eh?) on Trenzalore.
Christmas town is surrounded by a truth field, hence the above "no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"
Dalek, Weeping Angel and Cybermen(Including a wooden Cyberman) fight to reach The Doctor to force him to answer the question.
The Doctor finds himself protected by/Fighting alongside an alliance that includes the church of the silence who don't want the question answered.

The battle goes on for years, possibly hundreds.
The Doctor looses a leg at some point and gets a wooden replacement. (Matt Smith got knee surgery at one point during filming and they incorporated his limping into the story)
Finally The Doctor is near death as He's now an old man and his body worn out.
He dies thinking he has no regenerations left.
However he does regenerate, violently and explosively. large enough to wipe out all of the armies on Trenzalore.
Clara and the church of silence see the explosion from space and return to look for his body.
Upon entering the TARDIS she finds Capaldi dressed in Matt Smiths clothes and he still thinks he is Matt Smith as he had no regenerations left.......

Spoiler: Every spoiler I've heard so far has been a variation on that story, apparently a VFX lite version was shown at Matt's going away party from BBC Wales and that's where the leaks are coming from.

Take all of that with a huge pinch of salt, and we'll see all of that or possibly none of that

Sounds very dark for a Christmas episode and I personally don't believe most of it, but that's whats being said

How any of that ^ will relate to The Day Of The Doctor I've no clue
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Lord TSC

We have a trailer following the 50th tonight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMOOLd_44Mo

Coldzone

The Master wrote: »

Splitting this from the 50th thread to avoid confusion

Xmas Episode
This is what I've heard we're getting this Christmas

A few different people have been saying this or slight variations on this

SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

Not my spoilers by the way just what's doing the rounds of the rumor mill lately

SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS

"On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered. The First Question, the oldest question in the Universe, that must never be answered, hidden in plain sight. Doctor Who?"

The episode will take place in Christmas Town (I know,right on the nose eh?) on Trenzalore.
Christmas town is surrounded by a truth field, hence the above "no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer"
Dalek, Weeping Angel and Cybermen(Including a wooden Cyberman) fight to reach The Doctor to force him to answer the question.
The Doctor finds himself protected by/Fighting alongside an alliance that includes the church of the silence who don't want the question answered.

The battle goes on for years, possibly hundreds.
The Doctor looses a leg at some point and gets a wooden replacement. (Matt Smith got knee surgery at one point during filming and they incorporated his limping into the story)
Finally The Doctor is near death as He's now an old man and his body worn out.
He dies thinking he has no regenerations left.
However he does regenerate, violently and explosively. large enough to wipe out all of the armies on Trenzalore.
Clara and the church of silence see the explosion from space and return to look for his body.
Upon entering the TARDIS she finds Capaldi dressed in Matt Smiths clothes and he still thinks he is Matt Smith as he had no regenerations left.......

Spoiler: Every spoiler I've heard so far has been a variation on that story, apparently a VFX lite version was shown at Matt's going away party from BBC Wales and that's where the leaks are coming from.

Take all of that with a huge pinch of salt, and we'll see all of that or possibly none of that

Sounds very dark for a Christmas episode and I personally don't believe most of it, but that's whats being said

How any of that ^ will relate to The Day Of The Doctor I've no clue
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This may be plausible now

The Master

SPOILERS

The Cyberman head The Doctor is carrying is called Handles...
Check out the arms of a Weeping Angel sticking out from the snow in the bottom left

Agent Coulson

Orla Brady cast people guessing she is either

Romana or the Rani.

. Which would be very interesting.

The start of the return of the TimeLords maybe.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a533288/orla-brady-to-star-in-matt-smiths-final-doctor-who-episode.html

The Master

Rumor is her character's name will be

Tasha Lem

As it's silly season already people have jumped to the conclusion that's an anagram for Le Mastha or The Master

:pac:

Sleepy

Well, after The Night of the Doctor, the canon is fairly well established that re-generations can change the a Time Lord into a Time Lady...

Are you ready for a sex-change?

(if this happens, I'll donate €20 to the SSF for The Master's handle to be updated to "The Mistress")

pixelburp

The Master wrote: »

Rumor is her character's name will be

Tasha Lem

As it's silly season already people have jumped to the conclusion that's an anagram for Le Mastha or The Master

:pac:

Dear god, yeeeesh; I haven't seen that kind of tenuous conclusion-jumping since the Half Life 3 thread in Games :eek:

Doctor DooM

Did someone just say a woman cast is probably Romana or the Rani in seriousness?

The Master

Title confirmed as

"The Time Of The Doctor"

The Master

PS

SPOILERS

The flames either side of Clara

ebbsy

Looks like they are throwing the kitchen sink at the Doctor in this Episode, looking forward t it. Personally for me I liked the less Christmassy episodes such as EOT and Invasion.

flazio

The Master wrote: »

Title confirmed as

"The Time Of The Doctor"

Shame it's not the rumoured 'Twelfth Night'.

pixelburp

I keep having to remind myself that the Christmas special is less than a month away; it's a nice reminder Though then the other part of me remembers it'll be Smith's final story* and I get a dose of the sads


[*] until he comes back for a multi-doctor story. I have a suspicion the success of the 50th, and how well the leads got on with each other, might lead to more crossover episodes.

The Master

pixelburp wrote: »

[*] until he comes back for a multi-doctor story. I have a suspicion the success of the 50th, and how well the leads got on with each other, might lead to more crossover episodes.

Won't be worth it unless Big Ron from down the market comes back for "Dimensions In Time II" :pac:

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

I keep having to remind myself that the Christmas special is less than a month away; it's a nice reminder Though then the other part of me remembers it'll be Smith's final story* and I get a dose of the sads


[*] until he comes back for a multi-doctor story. I have a suspicion the success of the 50th, and how well the leads got on with each other, might lead to more crossover episodes.

Also, I can remember all of us saying when Tennant was going "don't worry, you can see he loves the series, he'll be back." I think Smith is completely, utterly the same and unless something goes majorly wrong Capaldi too. It may not be too long before we see them bumbling about together again.

pixelburp

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Also, I can remember all of us saying when Tennant was going "don't worry, you can see he loves the series, he'll be back." I think Smith is completely, utterly the same and unless something goes majorly wrong Capaldi too. It may not be too long before we see them bumbling about together again.

I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall an interview with Smith where he suggested he freaked out, almost instantly regretting that he handed in his notice. I always got the impression he loved playing the part, and admired how he stayed in character even with all those random publicity stunts. His general goofiness always made me think he might have been the kiddies favourite too (of the 3 new Docs so far).

Is Capaldi a fan? Honestly I don't know much about his past bar Malcolm Tucker, a few notable parts (e.g., Neverwhere) and the fact he's pals with Craig Ferguson, himself an unapologetic Whovian.

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall an interview with Smith where he suggested he freaked out, almost instantly regretting that he handed in his notice. I always got the impression he loved playing the part, and admired how he stayed in character even with all those random publicity stunts. His general goofiness always made me think he might have been the kiddies favourite too (of the 3 new Docs so far).

Is Capaldi a fan? Honestly I don't know much about his past bar Malcolm Tucker, a few notable parts (e.g., Neverwhere) and the fact he's pals with Craig Ferguson, himself an unapologetic Whovian.

I have to say Matt's way with kids reminded me of the stories I used to read about Hartnell telling kids not to wander too far from their parents in supermarkets because he was tracking Daleks there it always made him even more THE Doctor for me.

I'm actually suprised you don't know this- Capaldi is a bigger fan than you or I, he actually wrote for a fanzine at one point, and sent letters to the Beebs as a kid! They made a big thing about it when he was announced.

Sonics2k

pixelburp wrote: »

I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall an interview with Smith where he suggested he freaked out, almost instantly regretting that he handed in his notice. I always got the impression he loved playing the part, and admired how he stayed in character even with all those random publicity stunts. His general goofiness always made me think he might have been the kiddies favourite too (of the 3 new Docs so far).

Is Capaldi a fan? Honestly I don't know much about his past bar Malcolm Tucker, a few notable parts (e.g., Neverwhere) and the fact he's pals with Craig Ferguson, himself an unapologetic Whovian.

Capaldi is an absolutely massive fan. Probably out-doing everyone here tbh.

He always said that the brief part he had back in the Fires of Pompeii episode was one of the biggest deals for him as he got to at least be in an episode of Doctor Who.

I think he's going to be a great choice for the Doctor, and his direction of the character is going to be very different from the last three I reckon.

flazio

The Time of the Doctor has been confirmed. (Can't believe they didn't go with 'Twelfth Night' for a title)
it's 7:30 pm Christmas Night.

Agent Coulson

It's the end of Matt Smith leaving trilogy I guess thats why they stuck with The... of the Doctor name.

(1) The Name of the Doctor.

(2) The Day of the Doctor.

(3) The Time of the Doctor.

The Master

Some great new pics from the episode

Spoilers

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/doctor/gallery4/gallery10/gallery6/gallery.htm

Spoilers

Daleks
Weeping Angels
Wooden Cybermen
Sontaran Ships
Silents
Handles!!
The Bell tower
Clerics

flazio

Excuse me Clara, the Doctor is your what now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veSozo7x0UM

The Master

SPOILERS

Abramal: If I may, why are you here, Doctor?

The Doctor notices a tall figure standing behind Abramal, in shadow.

The Doctor: Who's that?

Abramal turns. He's shocked.

Abramal: I don't... I don't know.

He turns back to the Doctor.

Abramal: What was I blathering about? Oh, yes! Why are you here, Doctor?

Clara: But what about that person?

The Doctor knows what's going on. He strides towards the figure. Clara, Abramal and Marta cautiously follow.

The Doctor: Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Why here?

They reach the tall figure. It is a SILENT.

Clara: Doctor, what the hell is that?

The Doctor (to Silent): If you're smart then you'll get off this planet right now.

Silent: Who are you to demand such a thing?

The Doctor: I'm the Doctor, and that means it's not a demand, it's a requirement.

Silent: A doctor?

The Doctor: You don't know me? You tried to kill me.

Silent: You are not an enemy of ours. Yet.

The Doctor: Then let me ask, if I'm a doctor, who are you?

Silent: We are the Silence.

The Doctor: The Silence, eh? Well, how can you be called that and not know me? Your silence is my silence. My death.

Silent: No.

The Doctor: Then what is it?

Silent: We are the Silent Rulers. We have had dominion over this world for a millennia, and yet no one knows we are here.

The Doctor: Well, not for much longer.

Silent: The Empire of the Silence will never fall.

The Doctor: That's what the Romans said.

He turns to his three companions.

The Doctor: Abramal, Marta, Christmas Town is being invaded.

Suddenly, there is a massive explosion to the right of them, in the distance. DALEKS.

Dalek: Exterminate!

Marta: Well, I can see that!

PLUS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba5WCGlIcAAmtqw.jpg:large

will56

From Breakingnews.ie yesterday

"Doctor Who boss Steven Moffat said that some fundamental Doctor Who myths and stories will be turned on their head or re-imagined in the Christmas special.
“We’ll find out that Matt Smith is actually the 13th Doctor – although everyone knows that the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times,” he said.
“That 12-times limit is a central part of Doctor Who mythology – and science fiction is all about the rules, right? So if the Doctor can never change again, what’s Peter Capaldi doing in the Christmas special?” "

Das Kitty

I've given in and allowed myself to be totally and utterly spoiled. :pac:

Looks like an interesting episode to say the least!

BBC America has a gallery of stills. These two in particular have me very intrigued!

http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/photos/time-doctor-sneak-peek/wp-content/themes/bbca-child-theme/lib/timthumb.php?src=wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2013/12/doctor-who_photos_time-of-the-doctor_39.png&h=506&w=898

http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/photos/time-doctor-sneak-peek/wp-content/themes/bbca-child-theme/lib/timthumb.php?src=wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2013/12/doctor-who_photos_time-of-the-doctor_40.png&h=506&w=898

The Master

SPOILERS

The Regeneration scene revealed!!

http://i.imgur.com/Xcf3PMY.png

SPIOLERS

:pac:

Mr.Saturn

Locked in the paradox of both wanting Xmas to come, yet also not, for it signals the end of both Smith, and perhaps more irritating, another prolonged wait for more Who.

Hey, it'll do the series some good, considering the levels of hype gone into both the 50th and the Xmas regen, leave audiences a bit of breath before it's running a-proper, but really, Capaldi! I'm quaking to see what he does with the role.

The Master

Das Kitty wrote: »

http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/photos/time-doctor-sneak-peek/wp-content/themes/bbca-child-theme/lib/timthumb.php?src=wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2013/12/doctor-who_photos_time-of-the-doctor_39.png&h=506&w=898

http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/photos/time-doctor-sneak-peek/wp-content/themes/bbca-child-theme/lib/timthumb.php?src=wp-content/blogs.dir/18/files/2013/12/doctor-who_photos_time-of-the-doctor_40.png&h=506&w=898

SPOILERS

https://24.media.tumblr.com/1b6748bfc87139dac6e13e2dbf636677/tumblr_mxndaaTlhd1rig9pto1_1280.png

https://31.media.tumblr.com/87adbc5f2838c38e2192d4880c23d855/tumblr_mxndaaTlhd1rig9pto2_1280.png

Not my pics someone else's guesses

Coldzone

Another trailer for Xmas Special

aidan_walsh

"The Doctor is regenerating."

Moffat would never do it half way through the episode, would he?

NyOmnishambles

aidan_walsh wrote: »

"The Doctor is regenerating."

Moffat would never do it half way through the episode, would he?

Hopefully not

As much as I like Matt Smith and will be sad to see him go I am very excited to see what the next Doctor brings
I would like to see 11 get a good send off though not quite as dragged out as 10's

I shall be sitting on my couch on Christmas day wearing my Fez with my Sonic at the ready for this one

Penn

NyOmnishambles wrote: »

Hopefully not

As much as I like Matt Smith and will be sad to see him go I am very excited to see what the next Doctor brings
I would like to see 11 get a good send off though not quite as dragged out as 10's

10's ending felt more like a send off for RTD than 10. Kind of cleaning the slate as much as possible and saying goodbye to almost every character so Moffat could start afresh.

pixelburp

Penn wrote: »

10's ending felt more like a send off for RTD than 10. Kind of cleaning the slate as much as possible and saying goodbye to almost every character so Moffat could start afresh.

Which made it even more self-indulgent than it was already; I distinctly remember someone in the room with me shouting "get on with it" at the telly. It never struck me as RTD bowing out gracefully, more like an OTT, overwrought goodbye.

In other news, this may interest people who have been frustrated with Moffat's run, specifically those who have felt various plot strands have been left unanswered / unresolved. Now, Moffat's obviously going to try and sell the show in the run-up, but given it's Smith's last performance you'd imagine he doesn't feel the need to sell it to the sceptics and it can be taken as genuine:

Moffat wrote:

"It will be tying up various elements of the Eleventh Doctor's story, some of which people have asked about before, some of which people haven’t bothered to ask about!" [...]

"From Matt Smith's first to his last episode, there will be elements. And it should be obvious they were fairly carefully planned.

"It's not obstructive – if you did'’t remember any of that stuff or care about that stuff it would still be fine. If you've been sitting there saying, "Who blew up the TARDIS?" then you'll get it."

The_Valeyard

New American Trailer, more footage and spoilers!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlN-SPx1zAg

pixelburp

Hmm, well now I'm even more confused who this lady from the Doctor's past might be. She seems to be

in charge of the Clerics, so is she a younger version of Madame Kovarian perhaps? She did kinda disappear from the show so perhaps she's been hiding all this time. They were trying to harness River's regenerative ability, so maybe this is the result? I certainly don't subscribe to the idea she's either the Rani, Romana, the Master or anything older than the last 2 seasons ...

Coldzone

After watching the American trailer

I was watching The God Complex episode and thought the Doctors door would come up :eek:

The Master

There was a preview screening in the BFI last night.

A few newspapers have published some spoiler free reviews but methinks the real spoilers are gonna start to come in the next few days

Mr.Saturn

"The Time War shall start a new"

Did anyone else get that?

BuffyBot

Yup :O

pixelburp

The Master wrote: »

There was a preview screening in the BFI last night.

A few newspapers have published some spoiler free reviews but methinks the real spoilers are gonna start to come in the next few days

I hope not; it's arguably the biggest episode since, well, the last regeneration story so I hope journalists maintain some decorum in their reviews. That said, can we have a general agreement not to post up any heavy spoilers that may slip out - not even in the grey spoiler-text? I know this thread has thus-far been peppered with spoilers, but in case any heavy one slip out, it'd be nice to keep the thread broadly free of the larger surprises (I'm still a bit miffed about the Tom Baker cameo getting spoiled in the runup to the 50th anniversary tale )

bren2001

pixelburp wrote: »

I hope not; it's arguably the biggest episode since, well, the last regeneration story so I hope journalists maintain some decorum in their reviews. That said, can we have a general agreement not to post up any heavy spoilers that may slip out - not even in the grey spoiler-text? I know this thread has thus-far been peppered with spoilers, but in case any heavy one slip out, it'd be nice to keep the thread broadly free of the larger surprises (I'm still a bit miffed about the Tom Baker cameo getting spoiled in the runup to the 50th anniversary tale )

Maybe don't read the spoilers then? I stopped reading the 50th anniversary thread due to spoilers (my own fault as I was just too tempted to read them when I clicked on). Now that I know a preview screening has been shown, it is time to click subscribe until Stephen's Day.

pixelburp

bren2001 wrote: »

Maybe don't read the spoilers then? I stopped reading the 50th anniversary thread due to spoilers (my own fault as I was just too tempted to read them when I clicked on). Now that I know a preview screening has been shown, it is time to click subscribe until Stephen's Day.

Yeah, obviously, but accidents happen sometimes, the 'wrong' thing can be read in good faith, and it's just a case of suggesting that people stop and think before posting. It's nice to tease the odd tidbit here and there, gets the excitement brewing but if a major spoiler gets dropped into a thread that was otherwise fairly harmless it might be a bit unfair to those who accidentally read it. You don't have to read the thread yes we all get that, but you don't have to post mega-spoilers either - it's just about applying common sense and consideration from both perspectives

The Master

pixelburp wrote: »

You don't have to read the thread yes we all get that, but you don't have to post mega-spoilers either - it's just about applying common sense and consideration from both perspectives

So we'll hide spoilers when posted and nobody has to read them if they don't want to.
Exactly as we've been doing since the thread started

Not disagreeing with you but at this close to the airing date all people are gonna do is speculate and look for clues everywhere

Post #1 in this thread (from over a month ago)has given what's turning out to be a reasonably accurate synopsis of what's going to happen in the episode.
Trailers have been posted unspoiled that have given away more than any of the spoiler posts have.

If anybody feels the need to avoid spoilers completely it's time(no pun intended) to stay off the net for the next 6 days.
There's already rumors that one newspaper's supposed "spoiler free" review leaks a massive detail that will only become clear when you've seen the episode

pixelburp

The Master wrote: »

So we'll hide spoilers when posted and nobody has to read them if they don't want to.
Exactly as we've been doing since the thread started

Not disagreeing with you but at this close to the airing date all people are gonna do is speculate and look for clues everywhere

I never said anything against speculation, and sure haven't I been posting bits n' bobs here myself? I'm just pointing out that if some newspaper reveals a blow-by-blow account, or some humongous secret from the episode that's best off enjoyed during the episode itself, that people just think before posting it. Yes don't read it blah blah it's been said a million times before, but we're only human and I've seen plenty of threads elsewhere full of people cursing themselves for 'accidentally' reading a piece of grey-spoiler text. There's a middle-ground is all I'm saying that isn't a callous 'serves you right for reading it' - if nothing else it's not exactly a very Christmas'y attitude, is it?

ebbsy

No point in people complaining about spoilers and then being on the net 24/7.

I personally cannot stop myself, no matter hard I try. But I do not then come on and have a moan about people posting what are essentially guesses.

pixelburp

Who's moaning? I only suggested not posting heavy spoilers IF they even pop up because it might be overkill. The world won't end if it happens and ill still sleep that night; was only a suggestion made in good spirits just on the off chance some clanger turns up, so ill drop it so. Clearly not popular!

Doctor DooM

Jaysis lads, you're going on more than the Valeyard...

ebbsy

pixelburp wrote: »

Who's moaning? I only suggested not posting heavy spoilers IF they even pop up because it might be overkill. The world won't end if it happens and ill still sleep that night, was only a suggestion made in good spirits just on the off chance, so ill drop it so. Yeesh.

Go on have a look at the rest of the thread. You know you want to.

Agent Coulson

In the new trailer does she say The Lord begins a new or The Time War begins a new.. The Time Lord makes sense if there is going to be a reset and Matt is the last Doctor in this set of regenerations.

The Master

Agent Coulson wrote: »

In the new trailer does she say The Lord begins a new or The Time War begins a new.. The Time Lord makes sense if there is going to be a reset and Matt is the last Doctor in this set of regenerations.

Time War